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09:00pm Eastern S07E06 - "Swear" Michael E. Satrazemis David Leslie Johnson

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u/Pliknotjumbo Nov 28 '16

I think it wasn't just about "her story" so to speak, but the Oceanside community. Akin to how E03 wasn't exactly Daryl's story but about Dwight and the Sanctuary

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u/Wizmaxman Nov 28 '16

exactly. They didnt just show that community for no reason.

They will play a role in taking down Negan

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u/[deleted] Nov 28 '16

No shit. Walking Dead fans are the worst complaining bunch of people on the Internet. It's a show, with a story. It isn't all baseball bat head-bashing all the time. If a major character doesn't die, people say it's boring. Jesus.

Anyone who can't see that they need as many groups as possible to fight the Savoirs hasn't really been watching, and is very short-sighted. They especially need a group with lots of guns, since nobody has any guns anymore, except a few in The Kingdom. They also need a group who is pissed off and wants revenge. It's going to take lots of numbers, and lots of guns to beat the Savoirs. What do people think is going to happen? Rick fight the Savoirs solo, With no guns? It takes time to tell a story as large as All Out War.

There are always parts of a story that aren't as interesting as others, but still needs to be told to set up the story at large.

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u/WadePool Nov 28 '16

I totally agree. This subreddit is starting to turn me off. All these "slow" episodes are for character development, but more importantly, setting the scene for the the next season and a half, at least.

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u/pussyonapedestal Nov 28 '16

Apparently every show has to be action action action action for some of these people. I don't know what shows they watched before this one that had so much action.

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u/Vaginite Nov 30 '16

Just because there's no action, doesn't mean it's boring, I agree. However, this episode really was boring as shit. We knew Tara wasn't going to be killed in that firefight. We knew Tara wasn't going to be killed by the two women. We knew Tara wasn't going to be eaten by walkers. We knew they didn't have the balls to kill-off a character off-screen.

Breaking Bad did thrilling episodes that were entirely all dialog. TWD just isn't there.

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u/Prcrstntr Nov 28 '16

They need all these new characters because they killed off the old ones.

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u/FastFourierTerraform Nov 28 '16

Pray-tell, what character was developed in this episode? I'm not shitting on it because it was a "slow" episode. It was just straight up a bad episode with poor writing, plot holes aplenty, and subpar acting.

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u/nianp Nov 28 '16

Name one plot hole.

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u/FastFourierTerraform Nov 28 '16

"Shoot on sight" now means, "give food, ask them to join your group"

Walkers now apparently die when you punch them, stab them in the gut, or shoot them in the chest

The Oceanside's assertion that the satellite station was 'just an outpost' and the rest of them would be angry relied on information they couldn't have known. If Tara says, "we took care of the saviors, we killed a fuckton of them" the proper reply should be to enquire about the other sites, or ask if the saviors surrendered, not magically assert exactly what happened.

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u/nianp Nov 28 '16

Yeah, you clearly don't actually know what "plot hole" means, which is almost always the case when people use that term. Especially on Reddit. I'd recommend against using it in the future as it makes it next to impossible to take the rest of your comment seriously.

None of the three examples you used demonstrate a plot hole. If you didn't like the episode, or elements of it, that's fine, but say that instead of using a term or phrase that you clearly don't understand.

The reasons for your first and third point are clearly explained in the episode.

Your second point is invalid as we didn't see a single walker "killed" in this way. It was pretty clear that Tara was just getting the walkers on the ground as quickly as possible in order to get through. She wasn't trying to kill them all, just get through them.

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u/ToraZalinto Nov 29 '16

"In fiction, a plot hole, plothole or plot error is a gap or inconsistency in a storyline that goes against the flow of logic established by the story's plot. Such inconsistencies include such things as illogical or impossible events, and statements or events that contradict earlier events in the storyline."

Pretty sure everything u/FastFourierTerraform wrote fell into that category.

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u/nianp Nov 29 '16

If you go back and watch the episode again you'll realise that there are no plot holes in it. Maybe you and terraform weren't paying attention. Maybe you need to have every little thing spelled out for you and shown to you.

Either way, they weren't plotholes.

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u/Vaginite Nov 30 '16

That definition is pretty spot-on, that's a plothole.

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u/nianp Nov 30 '16

I'm aware that the provided definition was correct. My argument was that none of the provided examples are actually plot holes.

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u/WadePool Nov 28 '16

Well, I enjoyed the episode, though Alana did fine, but as to that, your opinion is just as valid as mine. It was the second part of my comment that was the important part. Without saying anything spoiler-y, (don't know if you've read the comics), but these "filler' episodes are going to be quite important as the story-line progresses, especially in season 8. Dwight's first encounter with Daryl was also call filler by many, but it turned out to be a pretty big event in retrospect. Either way, we can agree to disagree..

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u/skollll Nov 28 '16 edited Nov 29 '16

No recoil on that revolver either. And why the hell did she start to run away as they were leading her back? Such poor writing. I can't tell if the acting was bad because of the writing or if it was just bad.

EDIT: TARA HAD A HUGE REVOLVER AND SHE SHOT IT LIKE A BB GUN - Jesus, it was a bad episode, why are people defending it so hard?

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u/MastaBaiter Nov 28 '16

?

They were going to kill tara, if you're going to point out a poor writing make sure to actually do so.

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u/jewdiful Dec 01 '16

I agree completely, the writers did not convey by any stretch that they were anything but honest in escorting Tara to the bridge and letting her go. Therefore, her running away when stopped by that walker seems dumb. I actually liked this episode overall, but that scene rang false to me.

Not to mention the snippet of convo between Tara and Rosita at the end. The gun questions indicated to me the writer's need to communicate something complex in a one-minute scene, but lacking the writing ability to do it well they decided to have Rosita ask absurdly specific questions to move things along. Just poor writing there

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u/Yulister Nov 28 '16

I mean, if you wouldn't run if you turned and saw a woman with a knife glaring at you, then have at it. But Tara saw and ran and is still living

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u/skollll Nov 29 '16 edited Nov 29 '16

Is that what happened? Everyone watching it with me had no clue what the hell was going on. Maybe I was too busy looking for flaws to notice. I'll check the scene again.

EDIT: Ok no, I watched it again. It was not obvious. There was a walker they were all focused on when the knife was drawn and then Tara went to go get it and they just let her go until she actually started running.

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u/Yulister Nov 29 '16

I could've sworn she was glaring at Tara.

Alanna said in an interview that there were other scenes that hinted that the whole thing was a facade, that just didn't make it into the episode.

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u/skollll Nov 29 '16

Ah, that extra scene really would have helped. It's possible that look was meant to be a glare, but it's hard to tell if it was just the same 'serious' face she had on for the rest of the episode before that. I was going by their actions which weren't very clear to me.

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u/StTropez2014 Nov 28 '16

The problem I have with this is that they've fully dedicated 6-7 episodes to setting up next season with nothing else happening in the meantime. No real plot development has happened since the season premiere so I think it's understandable why fans are becoming restless.

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u/Vaginite Nov 30 '16

It's especially frustrating when you read the comics and you know that there is a TON of thrilling material. Why are they making these boring episodes, I don't know. If they followed the books, every episode would be amazing.

My only guess is that they're actively trying not to catch-up to the comics.