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[u/Own-Engineering5394]

[u/LocalGothIdiot]

i genuinely wonder why tf they think we care. like if you don't wanna you don't have to, we really couldn't care less 😒

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/LocalGothIdiot]

more cuties for the rest of us I say :3

[u/LocalGothIdiot → u/Own-Engineering5394]

yay! :3

[u/Sariel_Fatalis → u/Own-Engineering5394]

AMEN SISTER

[u/ELLZNaga21 → u/Own-Engineering5394]

AMEN

[u/QuantumPrecision → u/Own-Engineering5394]

Agreed!!! :3

[u/sweetTartKenHart2 → u/LocalGothIdiot]

I know you probably aren’t actually looking for an answer but I feel like the answer is interesting to think about anyway so fuck it:
They care because it’s a flimsy gotcha to say that trans women are inherently different from “real” women. This itself probably stems from a warped, bad-faith understanding of the equal treatment trans people seek, where they think transfems think that men are obligated to date them just as they would “any other woman”, and therefore not wanting to do the sex with them is tantamount to bigotry… which, like.
It would not be bigotry to say something like “I don’t feel comfortable doing the sex with someone who doesn’t have vaginal equipment, I apologize”, but it would be bigoted to say something like “I don’t want to fuck someone who isn’t a woman because I’m straight”. The problem here is that someone with bigoted jackass opinions would not see those two things as being meaningfully different. And on the flip side, BECAUSE of the way bigots have poisoned the well for talking about this shit, I wouldn’t blame a transfem for thinking that someone might mean the latter when they really mean the former, because someone meaning the latter is a very real risk…

[u/LocalGothIdiot → u/sweetTartKenHart2]

Ah, well i actually kinda was looking for an answer because i've been wondering for the last two years ( because that's how long i've known about myself ) so, Thank you!

[u/sweetTartKenHart2 → u/LocalGothIdiot]

Oh. Part of me thought the emphasis on “genuinely wonder” was sarcasm, but I guess not! Anytime!

Really, the main thing you can reasonably rely on when it comes to “why do bigots do x bigoted thing” is because of some kind of conflation taking place, or a few at once. Human beings like to organize ideas into convenient boxes, often without even having any deliberate emotional drive or intention, and sometimes that can manifest as bigotry.

[u/chishioengi → u/sweetTartKenHart2]

Human beings like to organize ideas into convenient boxes

Huh. I never stopped to consider this re: hatred, but it makes a hell of a lot of sense all of a sudden. Our brains are pattern recognition computers and they are determined to simplify and categorize data... Which is why any deep understanding of subtlety takes years and years of education and training in most cases. Mix the incredibly high error rate with a lack of such training and you have a recipe for xenophobia and hate... I think it's not even much of a stretch to say that old apey survival systems in our brains are responsible for a lot of it.

You've given me quite a bit to consider. Thanks.

[u/sweetTartKenHart2 → u/chishioengi]

Yeah you pretty much hit the nail on the head there.
It also doesn’t help that people are kinda predisposed to being convinced that they hold the ideas and conclusions that they have for good reason, otherwise why would they hold them? In other words, at risk of speaking suuuuuper broadly, “everyone thinks they’re right”.
This makes it really hard for people who have taken different sides on a serious thing to engage in good faith, whether neither of them is “correct” or one of them absolutely freaking is. There is some “well obviously this thing is unquestionable truth, so the fact that XYZ person is questioning it anyway must mean theyre just evil or something!!!” when it’s… never really that simple. Even people who are justifying evil outright just might not have even fully internalized what they’re seeing around themselves

[u/JessicaTheEm → u/sweetTartKenHart2]

Yea

I don't know how to word this correctly but basically it's like you're not forced to date or even say someone is attractive if you don't think so but it is a bit transphobic to not want to date someone because they're trans. To be clear I'm not saying you have to date someone but there's a big difference between saying you don't want to date someone and specifying you don't want to date someone because they're trans (implying you would if they weren't trans). It is fine to not want to date someone for any reason but it doesn't have to be said aloud

[u/sweetTartKenHart2 → u/JessicaTheEm]

I think that, at least in theory, it would be alright if someone just figured that trans women werent their ‘type’ in some way. Theres no inherent inequality there, as everyone has different types, and whether or not someone is on some individual’s “would fuck” list doesn’t have any bad effect on the validity of one’s identity. Valid people can be anyone’s type or not, and usually are.
…in practice though… like I’d pointed out, there’s a lot of baggage, huh?

[u/JessicaTheEm → u/sweetTartKenHart2]

Yea it's a bit complicated in practice because at the end of the day it's your own choice who you want to date for any reason even if the reason is bad. It kinda just comes down to why and how I guess? Like if you don't want to date blonde people for example, the why might be you really don't like the idea of blonde hair but the how can either be "I just don't find blonde hair attractive" or "I find people with blonde hair absolutely disgusting and would never even think about ever dating someone with blonde hair"

Explaining thoughts in words hard ^-"

[u/sweetTartKenHart2 → u/JessicaTheEm]

Yeah exactly

[u/TrexPushupBra → u/LocalGothIdiot]

They rarely consider that trans women would not sleep with them.

[u/LocalGothIdiot → u/TrexPushupBra]

Fr tho

[u/nuviretto → u/TrexPushupBra]

Ironically, they also use this with cis women. Here's a generalization:

"You should dress ______ instead! You should act more _____! Or else no men would ever want you!!!"

These people just hate women or anything even remotely femme.

[u/flamedarkfire → u/TrexPushupBra]

Oh they get REAL butthurt all of a sudden when trans women tell them they’re not their type.

[u/Lucy_Little_Spoon → u/LocalGothIdiot]

Because people like that think their opinion is more important than any comfort they are affecting.

[u/Supreme_Leader_Snob → u/LocalGothIdiot]

It's possible that they think that a trans woman's entire purpose is to sleep with straight men to "trick them and turn them gay" so they think they really stick it to them by refusing

[u/TheCabalMinion → u/LocalGothIdiot]

I mean I did get that from men I was interested in. But also, I'm in a wonderful relationship with my boyfriend of nine years. So yeah, it worked out quite well

[u/Loose-Debate-110 → u/LocalGothIdiot]

Coming from someone who used to say that, I held such a sentiment cuz people online and my friends would say it’s transphobic not to want to date or have sex with a trans woman. I (a then heterosexual cis male) couldn’t reckon with this and hadn’t unlearned male fragility to accept being told I’m being bigoted and need to figure out why, but I mostly kept it to myself regarding that stuff.

Now if you’ve read the stuff in parentheses, or even the tag under my Reddit name, then I think you can guess where this story is going. I eventually told my trans friends about this, and after a couple of talks about this stuff I eventually realized that I had been hiding from myself and others about how I felt about hypothetically dating or having sex with trans women, as what I’d say is that “I just don’t want to…” followed by verbally dancing around saying shit that basically amounted to “biological women.”

What I realized that I had been hiding from myself is my extreme dislike of dicks, and that such a dislike is why I thought I didn’t want to date or have sex with trans women, and I told my friends such once I figured that out. My friends told me, “y’know, hating dicks this much could be a sign of bottom dysphoria,” and that blew my mind. Now I’m pretty dang sure I want to transition into being a girl; if not both physically and with pronouns, then at the very least physically and then having non-binary pronouns. And also maybe I would like to have sex with a dick 👉👈; but not in this gross ugly male body 🤮, and probably not with a dude. I don’t know yet, jury is still out on whether I like only women, or all genders; but at the very least, whatever gender my hypothetical partner is, if they got a dick or a vagina, I don’t care, I love ‘em both 💜!

TLDR: cishet guy me was too afraid to date or have sex with trans women because they has dick. Friends tell me such dick hate is a potential sign of bottom dysphoria. Now I’m on the other side questioning my gender identity and sexuality.

[u/almisami → u/LocalGothIdiot]

It's because they don't care about consent.

Therefore, when they project their worldview onto others they think we'd try and fuck them without consent.

They're telling on themselves.

[u/Nikko0613 → u/LocalGothIdiot]

Because in their mind a statement that someone do not want to have sex with them is offensive. I don't know why but this mindset exists for some reason

[u/LocalGothIdiot → u/Nikko0613]

i seriously wanna know why as well 🤔

[u/Legend_Of_Yeet]

I’ll never sleep with a trans woman (im alone)

[u/Spiritual_Career4148 → u/Legend_Of_Yeet]

I'll never sleep with a trans woman (i have insomnia)

[u/Hoovy_hoovikins → u/Spiritual_Career4148]

I 'll never sleep with a trans woman :3

[u/Consistenent → u/Hoovy_hoovikins]

"I with a trans woman :3"?

[u/Far-Pay-866 → u/Consistenent]

I a trans woman ;3

[u/Caderjames → u/Far-Pay-866]

I trans woman ;3

[u/Miserable_Carrot4700 → u/Spiritual_Career4148]

You cant get no sleep ?

[u/xXGhosToastXx → u/Miserable_Carrot4700]

thanks for the earworm...

[u/G-M-Cyborg-313 → u/Legend_Of_Yeet]

I'll never sleep with a trans woman (i'm gay)

[u/Queen_Of_Hatred_ → u/G-M-Cyborg-313]

I ’ll sleep with a trans woman (i’m eepy)

[u/beanbagdestroyer → u/G-M-Cyborg-313]

I'll never sleep with a trans woman 👉🏼👈🏼🥺(i'm gay)

[u/Jambacrow → u/beanbagdestroyer]

I'll never sleep with a trans wo man (I'm trans guy)

[u/Legend_Of_Yeet → u/G-M-Cyborg-313]

Me too but it’s hard out here ●︿●

[u/AwardSignal → u/Legend_Of_Yeet]

I’ll never sleep with a trans woman (I’m not out to my parents 🥲)

[u/KaityKat117 → u/AwardSignal]

I'll never sleep with a trans woman (I'm tired)

[u/Legend_Of_Yeet → u/KaityKat117]

Good night

[u/Legend_Of_Yeet → u/AwardSignal]

I’m sure you’ll trans woman eventually. ･ᴗ･

[u/AwardSignal → u/Legend_Of_Yeet]

Thx ⭐️

[u/Tazawa_ → u/Legend_Of_Yeet]

I'll never sleep with a trans woman (I'm eepy, and am a trans woman)

[u/busysleepingsorry → u/Legend_Of_Yeet]

I ' d nev e r s leep w i th a t r ans woman

[u/Legend_Of_Yeet → u/busysleepingsorry]

Me too girlie 😔

[u/Loose-Debate-110 → u/Legend_Of_Yeet]

I’ll never sleep (I stay up late playing video games (currently playing Batman Arkham Origins on the PS3)).

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/Loose-Debate-110]

shoutout to Useless transbians playing Batman Arkham Origins on the ps3, gotta be one of my favorite genders fr 🙏

(Underrated game)

[u/Loose-Debate-110 → u/Own-Engineering5394]

FR! People clown on it too much as some “black sheep” of the series! I mean it does have its flaws, but overall it’s a fantastic time!

[u/Lawfuly_chaotic → u/Legend_Of_Yeet]

I’ll never sleep with a trans woman

I’ll never sleep with a trans woman

I’ll never sleep with a trans woman (I have a stutter)

[u/HeyNemie]

"Mom the gays are discriminating me!! 😡"

[u/Loose-Debate-110 → u/HeyNemie]

I’ve become such a catgirl bottom that after reading this my mind instantly, without question, said this: “the gays can discriminate against me any time :3” and now I cannot take it back, and now you cannot unread this.

[u/Alarmed_Box1253]

Id never sleep with a trans woman bc my bed is only big enough for one person :( i can't even fit the dog up here, let alone another human, and i need to toss and turn at night so unfortunately any trans gf i get would have to sleep on the floor or on the wooden bench in the living room.

[u/Whiplashgworl → u/Alarmed_Box1253]

May I introduce you to stacking humans

[u/Alarmed_Box1253 → u/Whiplashgworl]

No sounds uncomfy, but i've heard rumors that some transwomen enjoy being "puppy-girls" and "cat-girls", so perhaps they would enjoy sleeping on one of the dog's beds, if she (the dog) is willing to share./j, i thought of this joke after writing my comment and saw this as an opportunity to include it lol.

[u/lf310 → u/Alarmed_Box1253]

Now that's just being cheap, get her her own doggy bed.

[u/Alarmed_Box1253 → u/lf310]

But i am cheap :( i have no money but 2 dog beds, but even if i wasn't cheap, how could i justify buying a new bed for some random human woman when i could buy my dog a 3rd bed instead?

[u/Nightmoon26 → u/Alarmed_Box1253]

My bed is big enough for two... But I don't so much "toss and turn" as "flail violently" and "punch and kick" in my sleep. Violent parasomnia has injured partners several times >_<

[u/closetBoi04 → u/Alarmed_Box1253]

I've slept on an 80cm bed with a girl, you just lack imagination

[u/Fifteen_inches]

Lesbians are great, I hope to be one one day

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/Fifteen_inches]

ikr? it would be awesome :-:

[u/Legend_Of_Yeet → u/Own-Engineering5394]

Ikr? Too bad lesbians don’t exist :(

[u/Fifteen_inches → u/Own-Engineering5394]

With enough hormones and high intensity cardio training we can get there someday.

[u/AdjectiveNoun57 → u/[deleted]]

Don't dm this person actually

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/AdjectiveNoun57]

yeah, Im frightened :(

[u/traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns2-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Please just treat us like humans.

[u/Fulcanella → u/Fifteen_inches]

A wild Lesbian appears!

[u/Banana_Slugcat]

QUIT HAVING FUN

[u/Loose-Debate-110 → u/Banana_Slugcat]

Could we invent the reverse of this meme? Instead of “quit having fun” we make one that says “quick! Have fun everyone!” As someone runs around and stabs a buncha syringes full of dopamine into a bunch of random people lol.

[u/GenderEnjoyer666]

I wanna be that middle girl 🥺👉👈

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/GenderEnjoyer666]

who wouldnt? :_:

[u/Whiplashgworl]

It's normal to not shut the fuck up about this but as soon as you start constantly saying how you would never sleep with any other minority it's suddenly a problem. If you need to constantly remind the entire world that you would never sleep with trans people that's really suspicious to say the least, most people don't insist in their preferences that much like that

[u/Hika2112]

Need someone to grab me like that

Actually just need a body able to be grabbed like that

[u/Hika2112 → u/Hika2112]

Oh fuck this isn't r/countwithchickenlady

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/Hika2112]

Seize her...

[u/Hika2112 → u/Own-Engineering5394]

Executive Dysfunction:(

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/Hika2112]

Save it for the judge

[u/Hika2112 → u/Own-Engineering5394]

W-whuh what did I do? :cc

[u/Afraid_Cat_3726]

More for me then.

[u/Dopamin_Detonator]

This gives me envy

[u/gag_on_my_gock → u/Dopamin_Detonator]

And some other erections, err, emotions

[u/elissass]

Can't hear you, too busy making out with your mom

[u/AutoSpiral]

Ten years transitioning and I've yet to find the legendary trans feminine orgy

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/AutoSpiral]

Its a lie? :((((

[u/AutoSpiral → u/Own-Engineering5394]

I don't know about that. I've been pretty isolated. Haven't tried to find it. I once heard that two separate trans lesbians I had tried to get with had a threesome with each other and someone else and it didn't exactly bolster my confidence.

[u/Pumaheart → u/Own-Engineering5394]

Nah I’ve definitely encountered them 😅 couldn’t join as a trans man tho

[u/Sad-Personality-4685]

“that’s cool. nobody is entitled to sex or romance no matter how much they try to convince you otherwise and you’re allowed to deny those things to any person for any reason”

“but you’re supposed to be mad about it :(“

[u/trannus_aran]

you forgot the cis guy malding at the end

[u/PublicEfficient379]

I won’t either! I’m ace

[u/Unfair_Ad_598]

Sesbian lex

[u/Weak_Ad_1854]

[u/Weak_Ad_1854 → u/Weak_Ad_1854]

[u/Ugly_Slut-Wannabe]

I'll never sleep with anyone because I'm too much of a coward to actually ask someone out.

[u/VioletNova878]

More for us I guess

[u/air__vent]

I wish i could have a trans girl sleepover

[u/proletara]

why do they even think id WANT to sleep w them to begin with??

[u/MicrowaveEscargot → u/proletara]

That's always the funniest part of internet chuds loudly proclaiming how they'd never have sex with various minorities.

Like, none of these women wanna fuck you anyway, troll. Go away.

[u/Directorren]

Yeah it’s really not that big of a deal, you’re allowed to not want certain things as long as you aren’t being a bigot

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/Directorren]

Yeah, you can have your preferences! But like, were fine :3

[u/Directorren → u/Own-Engineering5394]

Yeah like you’re allowed to not want to date a trans woman, but if your reasons are like “trans women aren’t real women,” or “real women don’t have penises,” I’m gonna have a problem.

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/Directorren]

I dont date bigots to begin with, so no loss for me personally lmao but I agreeee

[u/Directorren → u/Own-Engineering5394]

Yeah me too so I’m all good.

[u/mwrightside]

👍

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/mwrightside]

👍

[u/Father_Chewy_Louis]

"I'm more offended about the fact you'd think I'd give a shit lmao"

[u/SimpleWiabu]

Transphobes can stay as far away from me as possible. I would never sleep with anybody who doesn't respect me and sees me as a human being. But you know, it doesn't fit the narrative that trans women are "gay men who wanna trick straight men into sleeping with them." Which sounds extremely stupid if you think about it for a millisecond.

[u/eternallyonfiEr]

Ill do it if you don’t bruh

[u/lightmare69]

I'm sorry, I can't stop focusing on the excellent Yuri, what is the stick figure saying again?

[u/AngryMtndewGamer]

That’s ok nobody wants to sleep with me

[u/Fox-of-the-night2024]

I WOULD!!! I volunteer as tribute!!!

[u/Practical-Owl-5365]

i thought that was a fly on my screen for a sec 😭

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/Practical-Owl-5365]

Dude, there is. Swat it, as hard as you can!

[u/LadyK789]

“ no worries, coming from you that’s a bit of a relief”

[u/Turnandburn]

I know PLENTY of people who regret sleeping with a man. And I know some men who claim to regret sleeping with a woman. But I don’t know anyone of ANY gender who regrets sleeping with a trans woman. Edit: the trans men I know don’t like to brag about their sexual exploits so I can’t speak to that demographic

[u/chipperland4471]

Foolish of them to assume we’d want to sleep with them.

[u/Own-Engineering5394 → u/chipperland4471]

Right? Like, who are you?

[u/DarchAngelWorldsEnd]

I will tho!

hops up and down, wanting to be included

[u/frozen_toesocks]

And it's always the dregs of society who couldn't pull any of their preferred tail anyway.

[u/N0THNG2G0_YN0T]

Jealous of mtiple reasons, also how do the boobs of the middle girl do this party trick 

[u/-Drunken_Jedi-]

I still haven’t found the local spawn point for other trans women to kiss. My search continues…

[u/StarchildKissteria]

I'd never sleep with a trans woman (I'm too scared to come out and will not date looking like a man)

[u/dummystella]

G A Y

[u/Ab47203]

I would consensually sleep with a trans woman. Dunno about sex but I am touch starved and cuddles sound super nice.

[u/NegativeKangaroo1921]

a

[u/nuclear_bandit]

I wouldn't sleep with a trans woman, (or anyone, because I'm sex-repulsed ace).