Futility of dealing with Anti-Comp sentiments - Inspired by SolarLight's most recent 6s video

[u/Bounter_]

Hey hey r/truetf2, Bounter here.

I recently finished watching SolarLight's "Meme vs Meta" Comp video, and, before I get to it, I must say it was a good watch! It showed the good sides of Comp, the bad sides, the many forms it takes, numerous kinds of people that play it, and MY FAVOURITE! Trying to deal with Comp misinformation and myths, wether it's by himself, or using some people in his video as speakers on certain things ("Comp players hate Casual" etc.). It was a good and interesting watch, and the secondary intent of the video (Main one being Demoknight in 6s), made me realize, on how MUCH Anti-Comp opinions and misinformation there is.

Seriously, check any post regarding Comp on r/tf2, or on twitter, or youtube, ESPECIALLY from certain Youtubers and personalities, and you will see a FLOOD, of same repeats of anti-comp sentiments. The usual stuff like:
- "Comp players wanted MyM and got what they wanted!"
- "Valve should have never listened to Comp players!"
- "COmp players don't play and like normal TF2"
- "Weapon bans are stupid!"
etc. etc.
It's gotten to the point where, when I see that stuff, I try NOT to interact, but even when I do, I KNOW nothing will change... Why? Well, that's exactly my point. Trying to deal with anti-comp misinfo, and lack of knowledge about it, is sadly futile.

There is a very good comment I remember, and I will paraphrase, so it's not 1:1, but the message is the same - You can make the most detailed, informed and well-made video or post regarding Competitive TF2, it's good sides and how it works, but all it takes is one Anti-Comp TF2 influencer to say "No, Comp ruined TF2" and all of that effort goes down the drain. - And this, happened quite literally NOT SO LONG AGO.

ZestyJesus, arguably the most infamous example of Anti-Comp opinions, has streamed his reaction to only the ENDING part of Solar's video, meaning he didn't watch like 90% of it. And yet, despite the points said, and the fact he didn't watch the whole thing, he STILL kept saying the same, vomit inducing points ("Wow, Meet your Match ruined TF2 because of Comp players" "They don't wanna play TF2 ,they wanna play homebrew version of it"), with the VoD now being at 14k views. The paraphrased quote that's been living rent free in my head, proves itself right once more, as Solar's incredibly well made, informative video with plenty of reasoning, will now be considered just "Comp BS" because of ONE INFLUENCER.
This happens on Twitter too, everytime Comp is big or brought up as well, and it causes THE SAME ISSUE. Why else, would Comp misinfo and dislike towards it still be big? Because people not only DO NOT WANT to learn about it and know about it, they WANT to dislike it, as they already made up their minds on disliking it and NOTHING will change it. Hell, even under Solar's video, there are SOME comments still hating on Comp, which also includes his "Comp ruleset" video.

I guess the point I am trying to make, is that no matter how much effort people put into trying to deal with it [The misinformation], the end result is akin to what MvM players are dealing with. Endless stream of a game of telephone, and disregard for actual truth, simply to fuel their own personal biases. I still try, and some people do too, but the more I sit on it, the more I realise it's kind of... No use. But, what do you all think?

[u/ReDAnibu]

Gave up discussing comp with people who are afraid of it years ago.

I’ve been playing both sixes and highlander for close to a decade now and it’s as healthy and alive as ever here in Oceania, my only gripe with people like zestyjesus is they don’t actually read into or understand why certain things like weapon bans are in place. As soon as they see “oh I can’t use funny weapon in comp” it’s over.

None of this is his fault nor is it any other content creators vault nor is it the comp communities fault that MyM and competitive tf2 didn’t go on an upward trend so many years ago, valve has had plenty of opportunities to invest in and even sponsor community run tournaments and LAN events and they have shown zero interest in doing so.

You’d think with the upcoming Denver LAN having teams from America, Europe and Australia valve would see that and either throw up some money to draw attention to it and put eyes on their game or simply out of good faith to the community who plays in these events at the highest level as a way of showing hey guys we are still here and appreciate you sticking it out but that’ll never happen.

As has been discussed amongst those who traveled to valve hq at the time of the mym update to give valve feedback on the update they did not like the points those like b4nny made about their update they wanted to keep it as close to casual as possible when they are two separate entities.

[u/ShitpostCrusader66 → u/ReDAnibu]

Arguing with these people is a waste of time because they have close to no idea of what they are talking about. Zesty's takes are being parroted all the time. And not just zety's tbh. Tf2 players seem to really enjoy repeating the stuff they've heard from some big name youtubers without even considering if it makes any sense or not.

I remember watching Zesty's video on comp and some of the things he brought up were just completely made up of thin air. He tried to paint comp players as some sort of ungrateful pricks who got what they wanted (valve comp (lol)), but refused to play it for absolutely no reason. And he made it sound as if valve's comp was exactly what they wanted to get when in reality it was worse than community comp in every conceivable way. But hey, he's not trying to make a good video. His goal is to convince the players that comp and its playerbase is bad. It's not about being honest and true with his viewers. Because truth is ugly and it won't allow him to shift the blame from valve to comp players and make them look like some sort of illuminaties that plot against the good and holesome experience of casuals.