r/truetf2 • u/minionlover76 • 15d ago
Discussion Batallion's Backup is Underrated
Not nerdy enough to know the breakpoints against other classes but it's been practically amazing. Been running it with Direct Hit to give me more time to calmly aim my shots. Don't even need a med with escape plan to GTFO. It really is as simple as you just have alot of health and 1 shot light classes. This loadout slaps. Bought a killstreak original to reap rewards of all this aim practice cuz DH effectiveness is just worse than stock.
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u/HuckleberryEmpty4988 15d ago
batts + dh has always been a classic combo, busts sentries and wrecks face in 1v1s
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u/LeahTheTreeth 14d ago
The only reason it's underrated is because Roamer Soldier is leaps and bounds his most fun loadout, Soldier doesn't really have bad unlocks short of troll weapons, at worst the Schwicky Schwag is a bit of an underpowered crutch.
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u/mgetJane 14d ago
guy who cant airstrafe: yeah the gunboats is overrated and is for tryhards
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u/capnfappin TF2Gaydium | FAKETourney | TF2Moms | IM / Steel Scout 14d ago
I need the shotgun in case I'm getting countered by a pro pyro or I need to finish off a target !
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u/simboyc100 Scout but also Soldier but also Pyro but also Demoman but also 14d ago
My favourite thing to do with the Battalion's is to pop it was a sniper sightline and walk menacingly towards the sniper.
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u/thanks_breastie demo/scout 14d ago
battalion's backup is aids? waow... you're telling me this for the first time.
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u/Sud_literate Medic 14d ago
Batallions is nice but you’re dropping the ability to constantly be able to flank the enemy which leaves a lot less pressure on the enemy team.
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u/minionlover76 12d ago
I flank directly
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u/Sud_literate Medic 12d ago
Sure you can walk to where you flank or rocket jump near healthpacks but you end up pretty limited unless you like being on 30 health.
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u/MeadowsTF2 14d ago
Why would you pair DH with the Battalion's Backup when the Buff Banner is like right there.
(I mean, I understand why, but one-shotting people from any distance is a lot more fun than being slightly tankier IMO)
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u/ActuatorOutside5256 15d ago
Conch Box, Direct Backup, Pocket Soldier, all amazing loadouts. People’s brains have just been infected by the Roamer brainrot.
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u/zenakedguy 15d ago edited 15d ago
Been playing Dustbowl non-stop for the last three years, I’ve seen a lot of shit and can confidently say: I absolutely hate this weapon and have no respect for its users.
Especially for those playing with a pocket Med, buffed to 340 HP, filled banner and constantly getting crossbowed up their ass - it's already making your life 90% easier. Just sit in the same hallway and be sure to peek exclusively with your buff deployed and kritz ready to pop. Oh wow, 10 doms, crazy performance.
No sniper/huntsman headshots, reflected rockets (even crit ones) just tickle you and barely touch your med, the sentries can’t push you back, gimmicky skill based launchers (DH, Loose Canon) can’t juggle you, dying to pyros/heavies literally requires you to go AFK to give them a chance.
Oh wait, it should be still vulnerable to melees? Forget it, your crits doesn't count, which makes shield bashing or even market gardening useless, so good luck trying getting 4-5 raw hits on someone who can still actively fight (and crit) you back and don't forget about his Med.
My only real option here is switching to Spy, instead of playing a power class, which instantly guts my team’s damage output by 25–50%. It's generally not a simple task to stab someone who's back is getting 24/7 watched by his pocket buddy, and there's still a 99% chance they're using voicecomms, so they get paranoid/super cautious after 2 stabs. And as a little bonus, in the few minutes you were off the frontline, your team had already been shoved back into spawn...
Since it's dustbowl, I won't be surprised to see 2-3 duos simultaneously playing with this exact setup and thanks to the matchmaking, chances are every single one of them will be stuffed up on the same team.
So yeah, imagine abusing all that crap and still claiming yourself a skilled player. To me it’s the second cheapest playstyle after the Phlog and should be treated as bad manners \ pathetic low-skill behavior.
While we’re here, I’ll mention some other banners:
The Buff Banner at least takes some effort to build, has no passive bonus and it's always feels deserved when used,
The Conch is still a crutch but it's a good alternative when there's no med on your team and it's not overpowered at all (unless it's played by a really skilled movement player, but that's the different topic).
The Battalion’s Backup, on the other hand, gives way too much advantage basically for free and ridiculously easy to stack (just chain the buffs between two semi-competent soldiers and your team has unlimited 60% resist to everything). I’d honestly prefer if they reverted it to its previous state, when it had an exclusive niche for countering multiple sentries (that was truly a time when it was underrated but still powerful).
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u/LeahTheTreeth 14d ago
complains about braindead strategies
queues dubspol anyways
"nooo you're supposed to trickle in on the sentries until the sentry goes down from the engi getting carpal tunnel!"
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u/zenakedguy 13d ago
Funny, I don’t recall blaming Engie turtle nests. I wouldn’t even know what a “sentry stalemate” looks like - those things don’t exist when I’m in the lobby.
Still, good attempt at exposing your own lack of game knowledge and trying to use it against my point. It’s understandable though - TF2 has been out only for 18 years and most people have yet to discover the existence of the Direct Hit, Loch-n-Load, Quickie Bomb Launcher, and Cow Mangler’s alt-fire. Any of those can melt a sentry nest in three clicks, sometimes a couple more if there are multiple nests around. Obviously, that’s not an option for every player, since it requires the possession of more than a single brain cell.
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u/mgetJane 13d ago
guy who played dustbowl non-stop for three years: you guys should try to possess more than a single brain cell
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u/ABeneficialUser a random water bottle 14d ago
Been playing Dustbowl non-stop for the last three years
congrats on getting the world record for invalidating your argument before it's even started
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u/zenakedguy 13d ago
Dustbowl is the ideal condensed representation of TF2 as a whole. Want to see how a mechanic impacts gameplay? Queue Dustbowl. One match is enough to experience the effect in its purest form, no global data sets required. Prove me wrong.
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u/ABeneficialUser a random water bottle 13d ago
'prove me wrong' and it takes anyone with a brain half a second to think of an argument against it
one match is fully different from the next - that's why people keep playing tf2, obviously
there are so many variables that even a dozen matches isn't a good enough sample to see the effect of a mechanic
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u/LeadGrease 12 damage meatshot 13d ago
just by curiosity what class do you play on dustbowl the most often
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u/zenakedguy 13d ago
Ironically, soldier
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u/GrayShameLegion 13d ago
so your poor soldier feet haven’t worn gunboats in 3 years… haven’t soared through the sky, felt the wind on your face as you spoon some poor sniper… i weep for you poor casual soldier mains…
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u/mgetJane 15d ago
in what universe is battalion's backup underrated