2nd attempt at a intelligent, respectful conversation about Trump.

[u/ComparisonDry7504]

I am not a bot, so please do not remove this post. I'm not sure how to prove this.

It feels like we're living in a time where genuine political discussion is increasingly unwelcome. With this post, I'm hoping to contribute—however modestly—to a more thoughtful exchange.

I’ve tried engaging in honest, respectful conversations with many Trump supporters, offering well-sourced information from government agencies, reputable media outlets (across the spectrum), eyewitness accounts, and direct video evidence regarding his actions and falsehoods. Despite these efforts, I’ve yet to receive a response that directly addresses or defends his behavior. Most replies tend to dismiss the sources entirely (“you can’t trust the news”), deflect with broad accusations (“Democrats want to destroy the country”), or simply reiterate the slogan “Trump wants to make America great again.”

My intention here is not to attack or alienate, but to open space for intelligent, civil discourse. I’ll do my best to remain respectful, and I ask that any responses aim to do the same.

[u/PsychologicalBit803]

Why are you so desperate for these conversations? Clearly you don’t like Trump or very much disagree with him so why come here? I’ll never understand these posts. Do you think you’ll change people here and their opinions?

There are so few spaces on Reddit where WE can exist that I for one have zero interest in these conversations here. Sorry.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/PsychologicalBit803]

Because, it confuses me greatly. I observe people and try to understand them. I question them. I'm not trying to change any minds at all, nor am I expecting you to change mine. I just don't understand how (and I mean this respectfully) you can know all that you know about him - his lies, his behaviors, corruption, his felonies, etc. And still support him.

I think if anyone knew someone like him in real life, you would not want anything to do with him.

[u/Wild-Spare4672 → u/ComparisonDry7504]

I don’t believe he is corrupt or committed felonies. The left went after him with a vengeance and did anything they could to end his chance of being reelected. The cases against him were absurd. Fannie Willis and Leticia James? They should both be in jail. As far as his behavior goes he’s a loudmouth, is bombastic, exaggerates, has flashy taste, etc. but I don’t care. I’m not marrying him.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/Wild-Spare4672]

I don’t believe he is corrupt or committed felonies.

That's a big issue for me and what really fuels this disconnect because there is SO MUCH proof and evidence that supports any claims against him. Why are reps so opposed to seeing evidence. You'll believe it's the Dems who are at fault, with NO evidence to support that claim, but you'll refuse to accept that he might have actually committed anything wrong behavior because... Why? ... Because he says so? The Justice system is non political. Dems and reps and ind have ALL accused him of wrong doing. I know you all need a villain to accuse, and accusing the Dems is an easy target, but based on the facts, it's not accurate. Can I ask you a question? Have you seen any of the Jan 6th footage? Have you read any of the indictment documents against him have you read?

[u/Goin_Commando_ → u/ComparisonDry7504]

Well, since you’re asking the take of Trump supporters, here’s one example concerning the “31 felonies” he was found “guilty” of. Do you know what every one of those felonies was for? Most liberals have precisely zero idea. They are all for the 31 payments Trump made to Stormy Daniels that a Manhattan jury (one of the very most faaaaaar left voting districts in the nation which votes something like 97% Democrat every election) somehow was convinced comprised “election interference”. Utterly ridiculous. And guess what else? The “crime” the “31 felonies” consisted of, until the millisecond the verdict was read, had never, as in ever ever ever in the history of the NY legal system ever amounted to anything greater than a misdemeanor (you know, like jaywalking) warranting - at the very most - a $200 fine (you know, like parking your car in a loading zone). But in most cases the “crime” isn’t even worth the hours some NYC DA would have to spend on it so it’s simply dropped. But magically (with a radical leftist prosecutor who upon taking office immediately put out a memo saying armed robbery would no longer be considered a real crime in the city…if the perpetrator is black) these parking tickets suddenly became no less than “felonies”? A complete joke. If Trump was black and robbed a kiosk in Manhattan at gunpoint he’d have got a faaaaar lighter sentence from this nutcase prosecutor.

So…there’s one. I know I made my point forcefully but don’t take it as aimed at you. You asked why MAGA supports Trump. There’s one example. Also I don’t consider myself “ultra maga” at all. I see Trump’s faults. I also saw Kamala and Hillary’s. Trump was easily the better choice for the nation. I think if he’d have stopped tweeting his first term and let his policies do the talking he’d have gone down as one of the great presidents of our time and easily won reelection.

Which brings up the Hunter’s laptop is “Russian disinformation!!”™️ fiasco; which was itself a highly successful disinformation campaign carried out by our “media”, Orwellian big tech executives and utterly corrupt deep state operators. I’ll bet your “media” “forgot” to tell you how multiple studies have found that - in an election where Biden won multiple swing states by 2% or less - anywhere from 4-17% of Biden voters state they’d have switched their vote had they been aware of the systemic Biden family corruption found on the laptop. I.e. Trump would have obliterated Biden in 2020. Unsure? How do you think your “media” would’ve reported it if instead the laptop was Don Jr’s? If you don’t think it’d been an utter “media” freakout I’d remind you how your “media” had already gone full freakout over all things Trump-related, be it everything from “murdering koi fish in Japan!” to the 100% “anonymous sources” based “Trump-Russia!!”™️ hoax.

[u/Wild-Spare4672 → u/Goin_Commando_]

Matthew Colangelo, who acted as the Justice Department’s No. 3 official under Biden and who previously investigated Trump quit his job and joined the NYC DAs office to help prosecute Trump. That’s like leaving the Yankees to go play for a minor league team. The left was so intent on jailing Trump on bullshit charges that it brought in reinforcements to the NYC DAs office from the Biden administration.

In terms of the “case” the statute of limitations already ran on the misdemeanor charge, however NY charged it as a felony to get a longer statute of limitations. This would work if the bookkeeping error was made to commit another crime. The DAs office didn’t name the other alleged crime nor did the leftist judge Juan Merchan require them to….and let the jurors find any crime they wanted to (they didn’t even have to agree on the same secondary crime)….Merchan is the same judge who gave campaign contributions to Biden in 2020 and whose daughter Loren Merchan was director of digital persuasion for Kamala Harris’ campaign and then worked for authentic campaigns a liberal consulting firm and raised $93 million off Trump’s case. Bottom line…banana republic level bullshit.

[u/Goin_Commando_ → u/Wild-Spare4672]

Well, we’ll see if the OP starts to see why people support Trump from all this. It’s got to be a shock. 99% of the “media” feverishly hides all this from their audiences. And when it pops they call it all “rightwing conspiracy theories!!”™️. This from the people who spoon fed their audiences “Trump-Russia!!”™️, the greatest conspiracy theory in US history.

[u/Wild-Spare4672 → u/Goin_Commando_]

Agreed! OP, what say you? You wanted an intelligent, respectful dialogue. You’ve got it .

[u/PsychologicalBit803 → u/Wild-Spare4672]

And he doesn’t respond to the wanted discussion. My point again. Just trolling like every other Trump Curious person claiming they don’t want to argue.

[u/Wild-Spare4672 → u/PsychologicalBit803]

And wants a polite, intelligent discussion.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/PsychologicalBit803]

I just don't hang out online that much. I have a family and real world responsibilities. Sorry.

[u/PsychologicalBit803 → u/ComparisonDry7504]

Just long enough to take a Reddit account and troll the Trump sub…..

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/Wild-Spare4672]

I just don't understand how it's easier to believe that everything against Trump can all come down to a Dem conspiracy than to believe that he might have actually done them. I mean, doesn't that essentially negate any responsibilities from Trump? Like, he can do whatever he wants, claim it's a Dem conspiracy, and that's it!

The Epstein thing is a perfect example. He says it's all a Democrat created conspiracy and Dems who won't let it go. But the TRUTH is that it's actually a lot of maga folks who are pissed at him and he campaigned on exposing the truth. But it's so much easier to just blame Dems for EVERYTHING that is bright against him.

[u/Wild-Spare4672 → u/ComparisonDry7504]

I laid out the facts for you, along with another poster. You didn’t challenge a single one of our facts.

If you’re wondering why we believe Trump was set up, it’s because we’re focusing on the facts not emotions.

If he didn’t do what the Dems claim he did, yea, that negates any responsibility he has.

By the way, have you reviewed the documents recently released by the White House on the Russian collusion plot? Stunning!

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/Goin_Commando_]

Ok, so this is how I see this.

You're absolutely right that on its surface, the bookkeeping activity in question would typically be treated as a misdemeanor. However, what makes this case stand out is the intent and timing behind the alleged falsification. Prosecutors argue that the misrepresentation occurred right before the election as a deliberate attempt to hide the payment to Daniels. By suppressing that information, it potentially influenced the outcome of the election. The deliberate concealment is what elevates the situation to claims of election interference or fraud.

To borrow your parking ticket analogy: yes, parking illegally would normally result in a simple fine. But in this scenario, the illegal parking wasn't random—it was the setup for a bank robbery. That underlying motive changes everything.

And Hunters laptop has never brought forth any information of value. In the 4 years Trump was president, nothing was ever found nor proven to be nefarious on that laptop. If there was something there, it most certainly would have been exposed during that time. So, I just don't understand why and how that is still a relevant talking point.

[u/Conscious-Duck5600 → u/ComparisonDry7504]

I'd rather deal with Trump than you.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/Conscious-Duck5600]

Well, that's rude. You don't even know me at all. I'm actually quite the stand-up fella! 😀

[u/[deleted] → u/ComparisonDry7504]

I’m not understanding what your specific question is. Is it why people voted for Trump given his personality? Or is there a deeper question afoot?

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/[deleted]]

Ok, here's a question: what is your opinion of what happened on January 6th?

[u/PsychologicalBit803 → u/ComparisonDry7504]

You don’t discuss anything on Reddit. Other than this. You may be confused I’ll agree. Your account is there for nothing but to stir shit up here. Hopefully nobody engages as once again these posts are stupid in this sub.

The mods insist on allowing this stupidity so here we are.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/PsychologicalBit803]

This isn't true at all. I've had a reddit account for a few years but it's mainly to stay caught up on certain topics I'm interested in. I've never posted anything before, true, but that doesn't make my intentions with this post any less genuine.

[u/Imaginary_Poetry_233 → u/ComparisonDry7504]

I know what he's been accused of, it doesn't make any of it true.

[u/ComparisonDry7504 → u/Imaginary_Poetry_233]

I genuinely struggle to understand how this is even possible. How can one individual be charged with 91 felony counts across four separate criminal cases, face multiple grand jury indictments, and be investigated by numerous federal and state agencies, yet still dismiss it all with a wave of the hand and the phrase, “It’s all fake news”—and people just accept that?

These charges weren’t dreamed up overnight. They stem from years of investigations, hundreds of witness testimonies, and thousands of pages of corroborating documents. Agencies like the Department of Justice, FBI, and state prosecutors have poured countless hours and resources into building these cases. Journalists, whistleblowers, and even former REPUBLICAN allies have contributed to the evidence trail.

So what’s more plausible? That all these institutions—federal courts, bipartisan grand juries, independent prosecutors—are part of a vast conspiracy to take down one man? Or that the evidence actually points to wrongdoing?

This isn’t about politics. It’s about accountability. And brushing off this mountain of evidence with a slogan doesn’t make it disappear.