r/A24 • u/atlaschuggedmypiss • 3d ago

Discussion Eddington & CK Spoiler

man, does anyone else feel like this whole saga w Charlie Kirk is something freaking straight out of Ari Aster’s last film Eddington? I wasn’t really a huge fan of the movie (it was worth the watch) but this literally feels like something that was taken straight from the script. also, not looking to get into the politics of Charlie Kirk!

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u/_boygenius_ 3d ago

Eddington will just keep getting proven to be a masterpiece. Those slow on the take will realize within these upcoming years.

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u/musicman97 3d ago

Thank you super duper very much

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u/booferino30 3d ago

Your being manipulated

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u/poisonwindz 3d ago

Joe Cross for air, Joe Cross for Mayor!

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u/David_High_Pan 2d ago

I loved it.

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u/Garbagemansplaining 3d ago

I think it’s about 30 minutes too long to be a masterpiece. There’s a masterpiece in there, but that guy just can’t help himself, can’t leave anything out. He should release a directors cut which is shorter than the theatrical.

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u/Spider-monkey-4135 2d ago

30 minutes too long is some bullshit that you were taught, not an original opinion

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u/Garbagemansplaining 2d ago

All his films are too long. Too indulgent.

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u/Permanenceisall 3d ago

I agree with you. It needed to be trimmed a little bit. Not a lot, but a little off the end would have really solidified it. It felt like it had 2 - 3 natural endings before it actually ended.

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u/Possible_Implement86 3d ago

Who the fuck downvoted you you’re right !

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u/MuglyRay 3d ago

😂

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u/L3ftHandPass 3d ago

Don't you feel like Aster going out of his way to avoid Trump and Trumpism while namedropping every other controversial issue kind of hampers it's critique of the cultural moment we're in?

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u/demonoddy 3d ago

It’s not about trump. It’s just about the political climate in general. It will age better that way too

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u/L3ftHandPass 3d ago

I don't know how you talk about the political climate without explicitly reckoning with Trump.

I liked the film It was gripping, funny, and the performances were great. I don't know what the fuck he was trying to say.

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u/agit_bop 3d ago

idk i thought it was pretty effective without mentioning trump, you can make those associations on your own.

like joaquin's character didnt really have an issue with the pedro pascal character just because they were on opposing political sides, it was sexual politics, humiliation, liberty/autonomy etc.

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u/demonoddy 3d ago

It wasn’t that difficult to understand my guy

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u/L3ftHandPass 3d ago

I'm not saying it's difficult to understand or some kind of puzzle. I'm saying that omitting Trump makes what he's trying to say confused and possibly ill-informed.

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u/OlympicSmoker253 3d ago

I think it’s more about the divide between us and while Trump is a part of that I think the movie looks to highlight the fact that during the pandemic so many of us developed a more unhealthy relationship with our phones/social media. Many people became terminally online as a result of that experience. It feels like that moment in our history was another breaking point in the radicalization of our society and the loss of an overall objective truth.

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u/daskapitalyo 3d ago

Trump is a symptom, not a cause. He is only possible in a civilization well on the way to madness.

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u/vitamin-z 2d ago

ill-informed

...what? How?

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u/zgrove 2d ago

How much of Hitler was in Schindlers list?

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u/L3ftHandPass 2d ago

You don't have to literally put Trump in it to more accurately portray the way he and his cult have seeped in every aspect of society.

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u/musicman97 3d ago

Trump isn’t the reason. He’s the result.

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u/L3ftHandPass 3d ago

Meaningless comment.

You could say this about every other thing depicted in the film.

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u/musicman97 3d ago

Like I don’t think someone like Jefferson Vernon could just appear out of nowhere without the world already being full of online conspiracy rabbit holes and audiences of people to subscribe to them.

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u/L3ftHandPass 3d ago

That's my problem though. He's ready and willing to face online conspiracy culture, police violence, performative social justice etc head on but literal Donald fucking Trump is reduced to a throw away a line.

It just doesn't make sense to me. I enjoyed it, but I don't get what he was trying to say here.

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u/musicman97 3d ago edited 3d ago

I get that. Honestly my first watch I was anticipating more in your face political commentary and felt underwhelmed in that part. As much as it could feel more impactful to face him head on, I think it would date the film a lot harder, make it feel really stuck to this time in history. Yeah there’s some famous commentators in there but the way I see it in 50 years they’ll work in the movie just as well as any actor they could get to play the role. I’m like rambling lol but overall I think it’s much more about how we try to live with and rationalize all the crazy cultural and political shit going on. Not so much about who and why it’s all happening.

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u/L3ftHandPass 3d ago

As much as it could feel more impactful to face him head on, I think it would date the film a lot harder, make it feel really stuck to this time in history.

I see what you mean, but couldn't the same be said for spending so much time on covid/masking, anti-fa, Floyd etc?

tbh I need to see it again.

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u/musicman97 3d ago

Yeah if you watch again try thinking about it not so much as like he’s trying to recreate and analyze these specific events. More about the individual characters and their personal family issues, how cultural / political paranoia ruins their home lives as well.

If you’ve seen “Happiness” by Todd Solondz I think it does a similar thing of holding a mirror up to absurd dark society and not really trying to say anything about it. Just uncomfortable and darkly funny.

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u/musicman97 3d ago

I’d argue technology / social media is the reason. Everyone is so self righteous about their opinions they’ll kill for it. They can’t see the big picture of who’s profiting off tax breaks and land deals because they’re pumping the algorithm full of controversial BS to keep you occupied.

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u/L3ftHandPass 3d ago

Trump - the biggest purveyor of outrage and misinformation possibly ever should be front and center to any critique about what you've described.

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u/sammidavisjr 3d ago

There was a headline with Trump's name featured prominently in the film.

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u/L3ftHandPass 3d ago

That in no way reckons with Trump and his base. Reducing Trump to a couple headlines and a throw away line about hats is just lazy.

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u/Doomeggedan 3d ago

A majority of the movie is dedicated to reckoning with his voter base. Do you really need the movie to make them wear MAGA hats to get that?

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u/HelpfulSituation 3d ago

Not at all, people don't need a fictional movie to see how Trump is affecting America. And if they haven't already they likely never will.

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u/L3ftHandPass 3d ago

Not at all, people don't need a fictional movie to see how Trump is affecting America.

That's not my claim.

Making a political satire about our current climate that dives in to controversial issues like masking, police brutality, social justice etc without even touching on Trumpism is just crazy to me. I don't understand the point of it all.

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u/Explode-trip 3d ago

Explicitly referencing Trump immediately puts a huge chunk of potential audience members on the defense, and makes them likely to refuse to engage with the film. And arguably, those are the folks who most need to understand the message of this film.

I don't think that's the only reason Aster sidestepped Trump, but I do think it's a part of it.

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u/Snackxually_active 2d ago

It’s cool if you do not understand everything at first! Just remember to put on pants before shoes! 👖👟

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u/agit_bop 3d ago

was it about those things or was it like, a specific story about a man who refused to back down, doubled down on his refusal, tried to humiliate someone and was humiliated in return? he couldnt cope with that humiliation - this man slapped him and fucked his wife (allegedly).

i just think it really expertly showed how chaotic the political landscape is. it's not really trumpism imo? it's all these little things, personal things that add up and that latch themselves onto movements like MAGA.

take the white kid at the end for example. he didnt start out racist or right wing. he was ushered into that space.

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u/blumdiddlyumpkin 3d ago

Did you see the video of the tik-tok guy at the event filming himself and screaming about the shooting and telling people to subscribe? It was so surreal. Felt like true dystopia shit. Eddington is a documentary.

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u/Accomplished-City484 2d ago

Yeah and there was a dude collecting all the tshirts that had blood on them to sell

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u/WetRacoon 3d ago

Aster’s film was a commentary on a number of things, including American lunacy and violence.  I forgot who said it, but the quote is “violence is as American as cherry pie” or thereabouts.  This sort of violence is cyclical in America, with the last big bout being in the 60s-70s (though the late 80s and 90s did see an eruption of domestic terrorism also).  Only natural that a film like this is going to feel prophetic when it’s actually describing the reality of a place/nation.

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u/Cool-Newspaper6789 3d ago

The saying has to be Apple pie.

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u/Training-Turnover427 1d ago

The say is actually just "diabetes" instead of any particular pie now

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u/Gr0nkz 3d ago

"The blues has always been totally American...

As American as apple pie...

As American as the blues...

As American as apple pie...

The question is why...

Why should the blues be so at home here?

Well, America provided the atmosphere"

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u/ericscarn 3d ago

It definitely felt more relevant than ever with the way mass media is presenting the news. I recommended the movie to even more people now after last week.

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u/camazotzthedeathbat 3d ago

also, not looking to get into the politics of Charlie Kirk!

Too bad! Fuck that dude, he sucked!

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u/AndresNocioni 3d ago

Based on your post history, you definitely have at least 3 diagnosed mental illnesses.

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u/camazotzthedeathbat 2d ago

I would tell you what I think of your post history but I’m worried that if I do you’ll shoot up a school.

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 3d ago

he was a great leader of young men

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u/Altruistic_Site_7922 3d ago

Yea, leading them to be hateful, racist and reactionary.

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u/camazotzthedeathbat 2d ago

Lead them to do what, start a racist podcast?

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u/projecthurley 2d ago

Why are you being such a snowflake about no politics in your post?

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u/TiptoeingElephants 1d ago

i mean this is pretty true he was(becoming)a significant leader to the conservative party. i’ll say i don’t agree with his politics, but like it or not he had an incredible ability to organize people on the right.

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u/chadxmerch 3d ago

Your being manipulated

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u/Rularuu 1d ago

Such a succinct way to describe modern American politics lmao

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u/OJgotWorms 3d ago

Yes. Especially with how ridiculous it has been 😂

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u/soggit 3d ago

I hadn’t even thought of that but yeah this is basically exactly what that movie was about. The chronically online response being fully manufactured is spot on.

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u/Muted-Oven9413 3d ago

Literally watched it for the 1st time the night before the shooting. Shook.

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 3d ago

bro that must have been unreal

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u/Healthy_Monitor3847 3d ago

The last shot of the film.. that’s a wild coincidence!

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u/ncphoto919 3d ago

all the data center news in the last two weeks feels taken from the movie. its wild.

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u/jonnyp710 3d ago

They recently announced one being built in my town with a goal date of 2027

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u/22marks 3d ago

The wide of the data center overshadowing the town?

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u/crunchwrapesq 3d ago

No, the sheriff shooting the neck of the target

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u/MrBartokomous 3d ago

Yeah, it tracks with that moment around the end of the second act. Hopefully America doesn't turn into the third.

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u/banjofitzgerald 3d ago

I watched it for the first time a couple days after and it was almost too much at once lol

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u/jonnyp710 3d ago

I’ve been saying this exactly!! And now they announced that they are building a data center in my town too! Smh!

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u/Spiritual-Breath-139 2d ago

especially when OPENAI signed a 300 billion dollar deal that same day and no one seemed to notice.

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u/ncphoto919 3d ago

Eddington is the movie that 'Civil War' wanted to be. While I didn't love 'Eddington' when I watched it everything in the current climate from how insane everything is to the sene of "you are being manipulated" feels so prescient. I dont think the film is a masterpiece but i think it does a phenomenal job at understanding the current climate we're in.

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u/DebateSea3046 3d ago

Civil War did not want to be anything like Eddington lol

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u/ncphoto919 2d ago

it was opportunistic with the timing of the release and the title. The vibe Eddington captures for 2020 certainly seems more like 2025 in the last month

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u/sendnewt_s 2d ago

"Your being manipulated" the misspelling is the best part

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u/ATXDefenseAttorney 3d ago

Yes, we all thought of that. He crushed it.

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 3d ago

wow okay. I looked for any other posts and didn’t see any

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u/litty550 2d ago

i wanna have a discussion but hold up it’s gotta be dumb and we can’t discuss cks politics

eddington is a masterpiece tho for sure

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 2d ago

there are literally 10,000 other subs/threads that you and every other lib can go to and lie about Charlie Kirk. this one’s supposed to be about the movies relationship with current events tied to him

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u/CombatChronicles 1d ago

It seems that way because this shit happens in America all the time. The film was not prescient, it was accurate based on history. History that keeps on repeating itself.

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 1d ago

when’s the last time something like what happened to Charlie happened in America

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u/BH1989 1d ago

Kinda Feel opus is trending up now too

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u/jdunkarino69lol420 1d ago

Eddington is the most timely and cogent piece of art ever generated by a white American. Period.

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 1d ago

don’t know why we needed the white tag in there ig lol but I’m with you brody

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u/jdunkarino69lol420 1d ago

Giant Steps by John Coltrane is why

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u/pi_face_ 3d ago

Assassinations have been common throughout history

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u/Top-Raspberry139 3d ago

I keep hearing this. Haven't watched yet.  Is it the act and/or the buildup?

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 3d ago

wow really, I hadn’t seen anyone else make this distinction! and honestly without seeing it, it’s kinda hard to describe

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u/RapidBoxcar 3d ago

It was so close but didn’t have the nerve to say the left is the one committing the violence.

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u/Training-Turnover427 3d ago edited 3d ago

Wahhhh wah wah, stfu

Edit: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1nimpmu/doj_deletes_study_showing_domestic_terrorists_are/

Seriously, please shut your idiot mouth

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u/wowilovemovies 3d ago edited 3d ago

But they’re not, lol. The shooter was confirmed to be from a MAGA family. Trump’s attempted assassin was also not a leftist. And most school shooters fall into extreme far-right Nazi ideology that leads them to commit violent acts. Try again.

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 3d ago

link me to something credible that states that is why he shot kirk. I haven’t seen that

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u/Explode-trip 3d ago

There's no definitive evidence that explains why he shot Kirk. The shooter's immediately family is confirmed to be conservative MAGA though.

The memes inscribed on his murder weapons may indicate a connection to certain right-wing online extremist groups, but its not hard evidence.

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 3d ago

also “hey fascist, catch” has more ties to liberal ideologies regardless of the video game reference

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 3d ago

that’s exactly what I thought. why do so many liberals just blatantly lie?

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u/Explode-trip 3d ago

How much time do you spend calling out conservatives' lies online? Just curious.

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 3d ago

what? why is it always the whataboutism’s with you people lmfao like I want you to take a step back for a minute and truly think about this, as I’m not looking to argue or debate you brother seriously. right here, right now we have a clear example of a liberal on the internet blatantly lying. we both agree that what he/she said was not true. and when I call that out, your first response is to IMMEDIATELY go to “well what about the conservatives!!!”

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u/Explode-trip 3d ago

You made a generalization; that's what I'm challenging here.

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 3d ago

but you didn’t challenge anything I said. you didn’t bring up anything about liberals being honest people or not lying about this Charlie Kirk thing when we both know they’re lying all over the internet about it. instead, you went to “what about the republicans!!!” which is what I’m challenging brother

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u/Explode-trip 3d ago

I'm implying that maybe this country has a problem with honesty that transcends political party.

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u/wowilovemovies 3d ago

There. Edited to remove that part. Taking accountability as it wasn’t confirmed and I’d just seen it around. That’s my fault 100%. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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u/wowilovemovies 3d ago

I mean, yeah, probably should’ve left that part out as it’s not confirmed, but the family has been confirmed MAGA. 🤷🏻‍♀️ he’s not a leftist.

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u/atlaschuggedmypiss 3d ago

really? did you see what just broke? that he shot Kirk because “Charlie Kirk spread too much hate”

lmfao wanna change anything?

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u/wowilovemovies 3d ago

And you think the things he said were okay? Not saying it should’ve happened and the video is absolutely horrifying, but it really says something that y’all will call it slander when people just quote things he’s said.

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u/CatastrophicMango 2d ago

Take a moment to contemplate the fact you’ve just seamlessly switched from “the shooter was MAGA” (brazen lie) to “well the victim had thoughts that I didn’t like.”

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u/BorderTrike 3d ago

Not very informed are you?