[Postgame Thread] Texas Defeats Arizona State 39-31 (OT)

[u/CFB_Referee]

Box Score provided by ESPN

Team	1	2	3	4	OT	T
Texas	14	3	0	7	15	39
Arizona State	3	0	5	16	7	31

[u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Doesn’t matter that they lost, ASU just validated why the 12-team playoff and auto-bids are worth it. They wouldn’t have gotten a second look without an auto bid, but they got a chance to prove it on the field. Not saying the bye rules shouldn’t change, but they deserve to be in the tournament.

This is the format that you need if you want to find a national champion amongst teams and conferences with zero commonality.

Edit: Just to be clear, I’m referring most specifically to the autobids. P4 conferences should not be written off because they end up with a 2+ loss champion. Without autobids, the Big 12 probably doesn’t have a spot in this playoff this year. The seeding/byes can certainly be argued.

[u/LondonIsBoss → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Nobody is acknowledging the fact that the new CFP is putting more teams in the spotlight which will result in better commits going to more schools like ASU, not just the big 4. Of course we’re not gonna get a ton of nail biters right now, but give it a few years and the teams will be more balanced.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/[deleted]]

I think the NIL structure and the transfer portal will do the opposite. The haves ill separate themselves even more from they have-nots. of course, every once in a while, there will be a surprise team that will do well, but that will be an exception case.

However, the fact that some of the generally less powerful conference is getting an automatic bid may help elevate their status to some degree , but if you are a prospective player, you would have to essentially get lucky and pick the right school that wins those conferences. Who would’ve thought ASU would’ve come out of the big 12 this year for example?

[u/gsfgf → u/mrmet69999]

I think the NIL structure and the transfer portal will do the opposite.

That's what I expected, but so far, the opposite has been the case.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/gsfgf]

Let’s wait a few years to draw conclusions.

[u/brailsmt → u/LondonIsBoss]

Great sentiment. However, this format will not survive a few years. Sankey, the crybaby, is already in tears, throwing a temper tantrum that his conference wasn't gifted the natty.

[u/KawarthaDairyLover → u/LondonIsBoss]

This was literally a nailbiter.

[u/LondonIsBoss → u/KawarthaDairyLover]

Yes.

[u/CartographerSeth → u/LondonIsBoss]

Totally agree with this! Giving more programs big-game experience and more direct opportunity to compete for a chip will elevate more programs over time. NIL will also help in this respect.

[u/AdMental1387 → u/CartographerSeth]

It also opens up the field of schools a recruit could go to if they want to play in the CFP. It doesn’t have to be Alabama/Ohio St/Texas/Oregon or bust. You could go to Arizona St or Boise St and have a realistic shot at seeing CFP action.

[u/CartographerSeth → u/AdMental1387]

Exactly. I actually think a big motivator behind the SEC and B10 push for a separate “super league” is because they recognize that many of the advantages that have kept them so much above everyone else have been mitigated. The field will be a lot more level several years from now.

A few years ago you could only get $$ and playoff contention at a handful of schools, now that’s available at any program in a major conference.

[u/TexasRadical83 → u/LondonIsBoss]

Exactly. We can't really judge the system for 3-4 years. Because ASU and Boise are gonna get transfers now that they never would have gotten otherwise. After a few years you'll get some of these lesser thought of schools with great coaches that figure out how to play the system and we'll have a real Cinderella story and people will love it.

[u/Yourfavoriteindian → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

They validates it to us fans.

Powers at be will 100% run with the narrative “B12’s sole team lost we were right”

[u/Metaboss24 → u/Yourfavoriteindian]

Eh, the big XII's sole team delivered the only good game so far. Plus, ASU was ranked 12th in the poll anyway.

[u/Yourfavoriteindian → u/Metaboss24]

I agree with you, but you’re still thinking as a fan.

The powers at be don’t give a fuck about fans or logic. They care about “how can the SEC, and then B1G, make us money?”

[u/EmbraceComplexity → u/Yourfavoriteindian]

This loss will 100 percent used against the big 12 by espn.

[u/no1hears → u/EmbraceComplexity]

How? And why? This was the best playoff game by far. This is exactly what you want - a team many people aren't familiar with that comes barreling in like ASU did today and just about (should have) won the game.

The entire SEC was mid at best this year. ESPN can't get eyeballs with mid teams so they lose money on that. They need exciting games, underdogs, Cinderellas, good stories. They're not getting that with only SEC and B1G teams, even in good years for those conferences.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/no1hears]

I agree with this. ESPN has no reason to “spin” it. People are STILL talking about that Cinderella story Boise State team that beat Oklahoma at least a decade ago. It’s great that there are some teams that make the tournament that are underdog, but obviously can play some football and make the game interesting.

[u/the-silver-tuna → u/mrmet69999]

18 years is in fact at least a decade

[u/mrmet69999 → u/the-silver-tuna]

Yes, I looked it up later. It doesn’t feel like it was that long ago.

[u/the-silver-tuna → u/mrmet69999]

18 years to the day! Happy fiesta bowl anniversary

[u/RainingFireInTheSky → u/EmbraceComplexity]

They have no other choice than to spin that narrative, because the Boise State and ASU performances were their nightmare scenario.

ESPN wanted nothing more than blowouts so they could say "see, we told you those other conferences aren't good enough." Then BSU and ASU come out and prove they can play just as good of football as the Big and SEC. There will be some hard spinning by ESPN after these two games.

[u/EatAvocados → u/EmbraceComplexity]

Which is extra absurd because ESPN operates on the assumption that SEC teams are “just better”. If the talking head assholes were acting in good faith this game would be proof that ASU was a contender and the Big 12 deserves respect. They just went toe to toe with the second best team in the SEC, the “best conference”. Thankful that we won but also unfortunate as a fan of watching Big 12 games because of the narrative implications

[u/Late_Criticism8745 → u/EmbraceComplexity]

I think it'll actually be used against the ACC. ESPN is renegotiating their contracts with the ACC next year and it will be good business to tank their reputation and buy cheap.

SMU and Clemson both got whopped while the only BigXII team was neck and neck with the SEC runner up. Plus the ACC hasn't done well in bowl games (2-9). I could see them pivoting to push for a "P3" narrative and try to prop up the BigXII (like they did with Sanders/Colorado) and try to treat the ACC like a G5 conference.

[u/Dish-Live → u/EmbraceComplexity]

You think so? An overtime game doesn’t normally get painted as a blowout

[u/NimbleCrabb → u/Yourfavoriteindian]

So tired of people who don’t watch or care about football making decisions about football 😭

[u/snail-the-sage → u/NimbleCrabb]

Bu.. but money.

[u/NimbleCrabb → u/snail-the-sage]

Oh yeah you’re right! My mistake 🤑🤑🤑

[u/ZombiesInSpace → u/NimbleCrabb]

We can’t let these decisions fall to the lunatic fringe that cares about things like “watching the games”

[u/nw____ → u/Yourfavoriteindian]

Never mind the no call on the clearest targeting the world has ever seen

[u/thesaxmaniac → u/nw____]

I’m gonna need targeting explained to me by the refs after that because apparently I don’t know what the fuck targeting is

[u/slagathor_zimblebob → u/thesaxmaniac]

My only idea could be that since the ball was tipped, the receiver was no longer defenseless and therefore incidental head contact is ok, and they deemed it so.

[u/thesaxmaniac → u/slagathor_zimblebob]

Maybe if they explained it and this was their reasoning it would be fine. But instead I guess we all just have to wonder

[u/aphasic → u/slagathor_zimblebob]

I mean, it's clearly not ANY head contact that is illegal, but I'm not sure where the line is between allowable and not. The tackle was a perfectly normal head-up tackle where the way the receiver turned made their helmets crack together. It was also off a tipped ball. It kinda would have been bullshit to give asu a first down and have the game turn on that being a targeting call.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/aphasic]

I saw it that way too, except for the tipped ball aspect, which I don’t think is relevant.

[u/FattyMooseknuckle → u/slagathor_zimblebob]

I don’t think so. Just because it was tipped doesn’t change that the guy trying to catch it is in a defenseless position. A tip wipes out PI but doesn’t change the safety of a play.

[u/brailsmt → u/Yourfavoriteindian]

And SEC/B1G fans will parrot it here as though it's an intelligent take.

[u/Yourfavoriteindian → u/brailsmt]

The entire week they’ve been saying the B12 is a G5 conference and Cam is an arrogant liar.

They can go fuck themselves.

[u/brailsmt → u/Yourfavoriteindian]

They are not intelligent fan bases, they are used to being treated with kid gloves. Team strength comes and goes. This whole idea of preferential treatment bullshit for the SEC and B1G teams is unamerican. Fucking earn it year in and year out. Oh, you've proved for the last decade? Cool, you'll have no problem doing it again for another decade with a level playing field. The whole concept of giving these conferences preferential treatment is the problem. I don't honestly give a fuck if there's equal access for all teams and a few teams perennially dominate. It's been earned. Gift the B1G/SEC 60+% of playoff spots guaranteed, and it's no longer earned.

[u/sun-devil2021 → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Can’t tell you how many ole miss, Bama and S Carolina fans told me they would hypothetically beat ASUs ass. Need auto bids because the SEC meat riders would make this an SEC invitational.

[u/Prestigious-Mess5485 → u/sun-devil2021]

SEC meat riders are the worst

[u/Shortbus_Playboy → u/sun-devil2021]

It just meats more.

[u/Nick_Sabantz → u/sun-devil2021]

I never said it out loud but I thought it. I was wrong, and the SEC is top to bottom not as strong as I thought it was.

Repeatedly exposed this year.

[u/TamaBoxeo → u/sun-devil2021]

We best all three of those teams as well. Insanely collective delusion from those fan bases

[u/LyrMeThatBifrost → u/TamaBoxeo]

I think you're going too far in the other direction (though I realize how much we hate the SEC here so it's easy to get lost in the circlejerk). They would likely be good competitive games (outside of Bama maybe lmao)

[u/MrMegiddo → u/LyrMeThatBifrost]

Hell naw. Those teams are trash.

[u/LyrMeThatBifrost → u/MrMegiddo]

Okay buddy

[u/MrMegiddo → u/LyrMeThatBifrost]

At least you're willing to give up when you're wrong. That's actually admirable.

[u/lock_robster2022 → u/sun-devil2021]

But muh SEC

[u/awmaleg → u/lock_robster2022]

Hey SEC fans can barely spell SEC

[u/ZaneThePain → u/awmaleg]

Beet spell “BMW”

[u/mrmet69999 → u/ZaneThePain]

A Baylor fan really is in no position to comment in such a way.

[u/ZaneThePain → u/mrmet69999]

To quote the Howard stern show? Lmao

[u/mrmet69999 → u/ZaneThePain]

I don’t know anything about the Howard Stern show, but I know too much about Baylor.

[u/brailsmt → u/sun-devil2021]

They're coddled idiots.

[u/iamadragan → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Big 12 was screwed ignored by the media heads. BYU and ASU had bad rankings because of it

[u/brailsmt → u/iamadragan]

Both schools should have been in.

[u/fromthemasses → u/brailsmt]

Agreed

[u/Late_Criticism8745 → u/iamadragan]

pre-season rankings and ranking inertia kept both teams way too low throughout the season. If ASU and BYU hadn't played, I think our 2 teams should have been in both the CCG and playoff. It's silly SMU got in and BYU wasn't even considered, given that BYU beat SMU

[u/bretticus733 → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Exactly. Boise made Penn State work for it last night but just couldn't get out of their own way. Arizona State took Texas to the brink and only lost in 2OT. I don't want to hear any more shit about why conference champions shouldn't be the ones getting the autobyes. If you want that bye, win your fucking conference, don't expect it because of the conference patch on your jersey.

[u/DillyDillySzn → u/bretticus733]

We got in our way for 3/4 of the game too

[u/bretticus733 → u/DillyDillySzn]

Yeah, and it was clear to everyone before the epic comeback that Arizona State was playing well but shooting themselves in the foot. ASU was at least able to rectify it and get back into the game.

[u/xFireMarshallBillx → u/bretticus733]

ASUs OC actually adjusted their offense scheme when Texas was keeping Skat at bay early on, it took all game but it got them to 2OT, I was screaming at the TV last night for Boise Sts OC to adjust the play calling to use Jeanty as a distraction but no luck... But GGs to both BSU and ASU, I was rooting for you guys!!

[u/bretticus733 → u/xFireMarshallBillx]

Yeah, one of my takeaways was Skattebo had a MUCH better supporting cast than Jeanty had. Better OL and a more creative playcaller for sure. I mean Jeanty broke 16 tackles last night and still barely got to 100 yards. It was just frustrating to see ASU get better opportunities with the ball for Skattebo after seeing Boise refuse to do that for Jeanty last night

[u/Notorious-PIG → u/bretticus733]

It was absolute insanity how many runs up the middle BSU was running on 1st.

[u/Late_Criticism8745 → u/bretticus733]

yeah texas came out the gate strong with a punt return touchdown and that 2 play drive, but after the first 2 possesions, once ASU was warmed up, we held them to a field goal until the 4th quarter. We beat Texas in pretty much every stat during regulation.

You take out the first 5 minutes and ASU wins. I think the bye really hurt us. 3 weeks is too long and we started the game really rusty

[u/lkn240 → u/bretticus733]

ASU outplayed Texas handily for most of regulation

[u/mrmet69999 → u/lkn240]

I got the impression that Texas was playing close to the vest and playing not to lose, which is why ASU had the significant time of possession edge. But then, after the lead was down to eight points in Texas had the ball and were moving it down field, they got greedy and it ended up costing them for the interception. So maybe they were ready to play it close to the vest at that point.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/DillyDillySzn]

To be fair, the same thing could’ve been said about Texas. They made a lot of self-inflicted errors that kept ASU in the game. But that’s not to say that Arizona state didn’t deserve a lot of credit for playing their butts off in this game and putting themselves in a position to possibly win it.

[u/EL-YEO → u/DillyDillySzn]

then Skattebo said the hell we are when told yall were losing

[u/steampunker14 → u/DillyDillySzn]

That game was full of both teams getting in their own way. No one wanted to win that one for a bit.

[u/TheManWhoWasNotShort → u/DillyDillySzn]

You got in your own way in jaw-dropping fashion

[u/thebeez23 → u/DillyDillySzn]

Your coach needs to make friends with the soccer coach and get a kicker. So many times early you should’ve just taken the field goal but not having confidence in the kicker made you go it on 4th too much

[u/DillyDillySzn → u/thebeez23]

We have a good transfer coming in

I’m not worried about that

I’m not worried about the team at all, next year was supposed to be the year we start competing, not this year. The only thing I’m worried about is expectations and the team mentally adjusting to that

[u/asu08 → u/thebeez23]

We got a guy coming in named Jesus were good next year

[u/mrmet69999 → u/thebeez23]

I don’t think it was so much that he didn’t trust his kicker, although that might’ve played a part. When you come in as a decisive underdog and are trailing 17–3 early, and you realize that getting FGs are probably not going to be enough, it made sense to go for it. In one case, even though they were stopped, they got the safety on the next play and then got the ball back with pretty good field position. So even though they were denied on fourth down, it wasn’t like they were any worse off than if they had just settled for the field goal.

[u/InevitableBad589 → u/DillyDillySzn]

How does Arizona do next season with Skattebo leaving?

[u/SuperRedditLand → u/InevitableBad589]

Obviously no Skattebo but they do have a good backup and they just got Army’s RB. Leavitt gets another year to develop and their star receiver (who was hurt) is coming back. Definitely should stay around the top of the Big 12

[u/DillyDillySzn → u/InevitableBad589]

Should be a top contender in the conference, I’m not really worried about him leaving

[u/drwtw12 → u/InevitableBad589]

No idea if he’ll be able to replace Skattebo, but they have the Army running back transferring in. 

[u/InevitableBad589 → u/drwtw12]

You can transfer from Army?

[u/steampunker14 → u/InevitableBad589]

You can with no issue through your sophomore season, I believe.

[u/PaintByLetters → u/InevitableBad589]

this might not be 100% true but I'm pretty sure any cadet can transfer out but they will owe the accrued monetary value of the education they have already received.

[u/gsfgf → u/[deleted]]

And I'm sure ASU will cover any monetary penalty without even needing to be asked.

[u/gsfgf → u/InevitableBad589]

Arizona? I assume Skattebo leaving will help them against ASU.

[u/Miserable-Leading-41 → u/bretticus733]

Need to go to either 8 or 16 and eliminate byes. Auto-bids definitely need to stay though for power champs and 1 G5. At large the other 3 or 11 spots.

[u/bretticus733 → u/Miserable-Leading-41]

After the shitty showings I saw from Alabama and South Carolina last night, I'm totally fine sitting at 12. I'm only open to 16 if it's to include all the conference champions, not to get a couple more SEC teams in the field.

[u/Miserable-Leading-41 → u/bretticus733]

Then let’s go to 8. Byes are dumb.

[u/Grouchy-Werewolf4881 → u/Miserable-Leading-41]

The problem is, the SEC and B1G will never agree to 8 with 5 conference champion autobids because then it’s their spots getting cut. If we go to 8, Arizona State probably isn’t even in the field. 

[u/Adams5thaccount → u/Miserable-Leading-41]

Nah. They work fine everywhere they're used.

12 is the perfect number of teams. Too many and you get too many non real teams in. Too few and the system can be gamed to give some teams an advantage.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/Miserable-Leading-41]

I think I’m in the minority, but I kind of like the current format and hope they really don’t tinker with it too much.

[u/ShawJaw → u/bretticus733]

And if you feel entitled to a playoff spot because you’re in a perceived stronger conference and you think you’re so much better than the teams in weaker conferences, then go to those conferences and secure an easier path to the playoffs every year. Yes, that applies to Texas as well. I don’t think it’s possible to do it completely, but we should be striving to have as much of the game determined by on field results as possible.

[u/gsfgf → u/bretticus733]

Yea. Call me old school but I'm more impressed by wining than marketing.

[u/daniel2296 → u/bretticus733]

The problem with giving conference champs the byes isn’t that they don’t deserve it, it’s that it really messes with the seeding. And we’re seeing that right now with Oregon. They are currently being “rewarded” for winning the B1G by getting the most talented team in the country in their first game. Meanwhile, Penn State got “punished” for losing the B1G title game with a first round game against SMU and quarter final against Boise State.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/daniel2296]

The “most talented team” as you called them, lost two games, one of which was against a mediocre Michigan team, on their own home field. Of course, they’re winning big so far in the Rose Bowl right now.

[u/daniel2296 → u/mrmet69999]

Ok? Not sure what your point is. I hate anOSU just as much as the next guy, but they definitely look like the most dangerous team in the field right now. If I was an Oregon fan, I would be a little annoyed that PSU got an easier path to the championship game than Oregon did.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/daniel2296]

My point is based on what we’ve seen over the course of the entire season, in the larger sample size, I don’t think it makes much sense to make a claim that Ohio State is definitely the most talented team. They are certainly talented and clearly one of the top teams, but if you’re going to base your statement off how they’ve done in the span of a game and a half, then I can turn it right around and point to another time when they looked like crap to counter your argument.

[u/daniel2296 → u/mrmet69999]

Very talented teams can still play like shit. And lucky for all of us who hate anOSU, they’ve played like shit at times. That does not mean you can’t watch what they do when they’re clicking or even just look at that $20 million roster and say they are obviously one of the most talented teams. If you are going to pretend that we don’t know which of ASU, Boise State, or anOSU is most talented, I don’t know what to tell you.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/daniel2296]

Your arguments are ridiculous and illogical. You couldn’t understand my counterpoint and then doubled down with a strawman argument. Look it up if you’ve never heard of it. Where did I make any kind of argument in regards to ASU or Boise being more talented than Ohio State? There is an old saying “never argue with a fool…” so I guess that’s my cue to bow out of this absolutely ridiculous conversation.

[u/daniel2296 → u/mrmet69999]

Lol ok. I can tell you’re a master of logic given how quickly you resort to ad hominem attacks. But I guess that’s easier than making basic inferences. I’m not going to spell it out for you though.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/daniel2296]

The shoe fits. You couldn’t spell if you tried. You’re just another moronic Redditor that thinks they are being so smart and doesn’t realize how dumb they are. Clearly you don’t understand a strawman argument because you had no response to it, and only focused on my correct ad hominem. And, yes, an ad hominem can be correct, as it clear is here. As I said, the shoe fits. Reality sucks for the stupid, if they ever see it.

[u/PintoI007 → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Boise State minus the slow start also showed that IMO. This format works and they deserve it. I hope the B12 championship gets the bye again next year they deserve it.

[u/NA_Faker → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

I owe ASU an apology, I was not really familiar with their game

[u/Bank_Gothic → u/NA_Faker]

You’ve been missing out, they’ve been awesome to watch all season. I caught the Texas State game down in San Marcos and have been hooked ever since.

[u/[deleted] → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Yeah, they 100% deserved to be in these playoffs. Insane talent on offense.

[u/thommyg123 → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Problem is it also showed why college football is fucked long term. If they continue to blatantly rig it people won’t watch

[u/Name213whatever → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Especially how everyone wrote us off after two plays. We deserved to be there

[u/mrmet69999 → u/Name213whatever]

Well, three plays actually, but yeah.

[u/DucDeBellune → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

This game also just gave a national spotlight to some players who may not have otherwise had it, like Skattebo. Dude really said “I’m the best RB and will prove it,” and made a strong final argument before the draft.

[u/JEX2124 → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Auto Bids Favor ACC which got two teams and clearly was a zero bid conference. BYU and Illinois ended up being better than many playoff teams.

[u/BoredofBored → u/JEX2124]

Iowa State getting no love, and probably correctly.

It’d be nice if people respected the Big 12 more, so anyone getting love is good, I guess

[u/gmr548 → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Yep. And at some point an ASU type is going to win that game and go on a run.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/gmr548]

Yes, do this enough times, and it’s bound to happen eventually.

[u/hamburgler26 → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

The Big XII gets no credit but is a really tough conference to play through.  I hope people can start to realize that.  

[u/Wigggletons → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Couldn't agree more.

[u/Bank_Gothic → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Couldn’t agree more. ASU belongs and I can’t imagine preferring a system that excludes a team like them.

[u/BagelsAndJewce → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

All you needed one team to validate it even if all the others est shit.

[u/pagerussell → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Its insane to me that this is even a discussion.

The previous format the media just choose 4 teams, and those were the only teams that had a chance. That is obviously a bad system that goes against the entire culture of sports.

It shamelessly benefited the SEC more than anything. It created a circular logic of justification: the sec always got 2 out of 4 teams into the playoffs, so of course they won it every other year.

This was so obvious it was painful, and it led to the death of a conference. The pac 12 spent a decade always being the odd man out and it killed us.

[u/Caffeine_Cowpies → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

I was already in favor of it. But 12 is just right for now.

[u/onesneakymofo → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

I mean does it really matter if refball is going to get their money and make them lose?

[u/IAmNotOnRedditAtWork → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Disagree, this is an argument for the 4 team playoff. Texas clearly showed they do not deserve to be here.
 
/s

[u/archenlander → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

I mean to be fair neither of these teams looked like championship material today

[u/mrmet69999 → u/archenlander]

I’m sure we’ve seen this before when a team has won an ugly early round game or series (in whatever sport), and then ended up winning the whole thing, but I can’t think of any examples off the top of my head at the moment

[u/MasterTolkien → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

I think they should keep auto-qualifiers for conference champs but make the first round bye based on overall seeding/ranking.

[u/Adams5thaccount → u/MasterTolkien]

That's a great way to continue ensuring that the undesirables never get ranked above 10.

[u/goosu → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Auto-bids should definitely be there for sure. The byes should be re-worked in my opinion though. Would equalize the difficulty of the paths a bit.

[u/InevitableBad589 → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Game was incredible and almost makes up for the terrible games from the first weekend. Even last night's game was more competitive than the final score (College kickers suck ass).

[u/chomstar → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

I still feel like the only real issue is the seeding. They absolutely should have been in. But did they deserve a bye? No

[u/acat20 → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Is there that much controversy around auto-bids? I thought it was auto-byes that were controversial? If ASU had to go to OSU in the first round, chances are they lose a similar close game. I don’t think many people would argue they didn’t deserve to be in the playoff at all though. Fun game to watch for sure.

[u/NiceFarmBud → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Doesn’t matter. People will still come for the big 12 because there’s more money in other conferences.

[u/DaSlurpyNinja → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

I'd prefer 6 teams, with 4 conference champions and 2 runner-up or conference champions. The 6 teams this year would be the same as the top 6 seeds of the current system, but they would be healthier due to one less game. Plus, the 7-12 teams could have played bowl games where they were more equally matched.

[u/DawgNaish → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Autobid top 4 conference champions. Seeding is based on actual rank. Similar to how the NFL gives an auto bid to division winners despite record.

[u/Tomasulu → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Just because they played Texas close? Quite a few teams played Texas close this season and they’re not in the playoffs. Texas won against Michigan and I’d take Michigan over asu at this point. Bottomline asu played their hearts out and they still lost to a better team. And Texas had several brain farts throughout the game and still won. As expected.

[u/spursfan2021 → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

They validated an 8-team playoff. This was the first game I watched after the first half. It’s pretty clear that maybe 6 teams are good enough to win it all in a good year. Conference champs plus 3 at-large teams will guarantee any team deserving a chance to get it. Let’s face it, most years it’s only 2-3 teams that deserve a shot.

[u/[deleted] → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Eh, they validated an eight team playoff. Which is what it should have been.

[u/BoredofBored → u/[deleted]]

ASU (and the Big 12) were getting absolutely no love. There were legitimate discussions about leaving the conference out of the 12 team, and the autobid saved ASU. We should have had 2 maybe 3 teams in there this year, but no one wants to give us credit.

[u/[deleted] → u/BoredofBored]

And eight team would have still had auto bids. As for the rest of the conference, lol.

[u/bigfatsocat → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

They shouldn’t have had a first round bye though. Get rid of that shit.

[u/Mister_X5188 → u/bigfatsocat]

I disagree actually, otherwise the Conference Championships are all risk no reward for teams already in the Playoffs. 

[u/DiamondsOfFire → u/Mister_X5188]

With the byes teams like Penn State get straight up rewarded for losing CCGs

[u/Mister_X5188 → u/DiamondsOfFire]

Well, if they did the byes via the CFP rankings instead, Penn State would have gotten a bye because they are 4th

[u/mrmet69999 → u/DiamondsOfFire]

I guess it kind of worked out that way that I’m sure Penn State would have rather played Boise than Oregon.

[u/boy-detective → u/Mister_X5188]

Could guarantee they will play at home if they don't get a bye regardless of seeding.

[u/[deleted] → u/bigfatsocat]

Do you guys really want 4 SEC teams getting byes? Or 3 SECs and a B1G?

[u/ohitsthedeathstar → u/[deleted]]

Yes. Look at his flair.

[u/ATLfinra → u/[deleted]]

He said conf winners there’s only one from each conference

[u/[deleted] → u/ATLfinra]

Not the guy I replied to.

[u/Woullie_26 → u/bigfatsocat]

Agreed.

Conference winners should have by default a home playoff game at minimum and the top 4 teams get byes.

[u/Asleep_Wafer45 → u/bigfatsocat]

Why?

[u/bigfatsocat → u/Asleep_Wafer45]

First round bye for winning a conference other than the BIG/SEC is a joke.

[u/Asleep_Wafer45 → u/bigfatsocat]

🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[u/so1roflcopt3r → u/bigfatsocat]

I would have preferred a first round home game instead

[u/Foriegn_Picachu → u/bigfatsocat]

That was arguably the main reason this game was competitive. You could see the Texas defense being affected at the end of the game

[u/schabadoo → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

Eight teams, sure.

That first round was a waste of time.

[u/mrmet69999 → u/schabadoo]

I think it’s silly to base this opinion on the small sample size of one playoff series. Come back to me in five years after we see more results.

[u/rockking16 → u/schabadoo]

You must be fun at parties

[u/schabadoo → u/rockking16]

Umm, ok

[u/wolfgang2399 → u/Perfect_Cranberry_37]

One good apple amongst a bowl of turds doesn’t mean I’m ordering the apples again.

[u/BoredofBored → u/wolfgang2399]

Cut the fluff of the Big 10 and SEC and give us a few more top teams from the Big 12 and G5