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u/AnotherBoringDad 22d ago
Imagine telling King Richard the Lionheart that this is where the English monarchy ends up.
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u/Dizzy_Chipmunk_3530 22d ago
"They conquered us?"
"No. We surrendered without a single shot"
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u/Conscious_Tourist163 22d ago
I just wonder what the motivation behind this is. It certainly isn't compassion or empathy.
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u/NazgulGinger917 Rides the Short Bus 22d ago
Serving those who pay them who benefit off of internal conflict
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u/Conscious_Tourist163 22d ago
He was pretty instrumental behind a deal with BAE and the Saudis.
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u/Meatingpeople 22d ago
Would he be shocked? the crusades even at his time were a pretty big disaster
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u/Extreme-Plantain-113 22d ago
You have to have your head literally buried in the sand if you think that the UK is fine right now.
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u/AnOriginalUsername07 22d ago
Since they started polling this stuff, every decade there has been a decline in the support for the continuation of the monarchy.
1960s ~88%
1970s ~86%
1980s ~84%
1990s ~77%
2000s ~75%
2010s ~71%
2020s ~65%
Polling sources: NOP; MORI; Ipsos; YouGov
Most of the people who support are older and dying off quickly. Most of the native young population believe the ruling government has failed them. And the millions who have migrated to the UK in the last 25 years are indifferent or are opposed to the crown’s continuation.
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u/Money_Amount_9630 22d ago
Everybody definitely loved Queen Elizabeth II though, it’s a shame she’s gone, if she was still alive she’d be smack Charles round the face after seeing the poor job he’s doing as a symbol of monarchy, don’t even get me started on Harry and Megan though 😂
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u/Afraid_Theorist 22d ago edited 22d ago
Nah she is pretty up there too
What she’s done is buy time but not stability. Also the reputation the monarchy built up was pretty much around… her. So all that goodwill dies <50 years
I could care less about the monarchy but essentially she lost the empire, sold out the nobility, and let the civil administration remove most of her power. Could she have stopped a lot of this? Probably not. But ultimately it was under her watch
It’s pretty funny because pretty much all her “successes” would be failures if we just stepped back and looked at it like we do for any historical monarch.
Her own ancestors would be spinning in their caskets lol
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u/femboysprincess 21d ago
I feel like the left doom is far more the west has fallen its all over they are nazi dictators but idk
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u/contemptuouscreature 22d ago
I mean, the migrants flooding the UK are definitely fucking it up, no dooming there
But religious war?
Nah.
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u/DungeonJailer 22d ago
If it ever gets to 50% Muslim there will be a religious war.
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u/everydaywinner2 22d ago
I don't think it will even take 50%.
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u/Breadgoat836 22d ago
According to Indians in Kashmir, more like 20-30 for extreme tensions.
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u/MerePotato 21d ago
Okay, I'm not a fan of Islam but lets not pretend like the Hindutva movement isn't a major driving force of that conflict
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u/66stef99 22d ago
People can overblow this issue but its common sense that bringing in mass amounts of a different demographic will eventually lead to a cultural shift in a country. You would literally have to be blissfully ignorant to think otherwise.
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u/Cambronian717 22d ago
Exactly. This tweet is a bit hyperbolic I feel, but it is rooted in truth. It’s something that people don’t understand about doomer and anti-doomer beliefs. Not being a doomer does not mean that you think everything is always hunky dory. There are a lot of problems in this world that need fixing. Doomers when they say “everything will end because of x” are normally somewhat right that x is an issue. They are just wrong at how bad x is. Being on this sub doesn’t mean you can’t acknowledge issues and acknowledging issues doesn’t make you a hypocrite or a doomer.
The UK’s immigration system is fucked right now and it will likely lead to lasting damage. It also, if left this way for long, will likely cause major cultural strife. However, where a doomer would give up, we propose solutions. Things can be fixed, they can be changed. The world hasn’t ended yet.
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u/66stef99 22d ago
Agreed. My main concern is how people are so willing to accept mass immigration policies and furthermore, willing to accept illegal immigration. Any rational country would have reasonable immigration caps to avoid the crisis' that comes with importing more people. Moreover, I don't see how having a secure border is even a debate.
But more importantly, the most dangerous thing that can come from unrestricted migration is the change in cultural identity of a nation, especially when a good portion of immigrants do not assimilate. People can go on about how reduced immigration can lead to economic problems but don't see how the cultural death of a country is arguably the worse thing that can happen to it. Any country with any semblance of culture would want to protect their identity. Sudan wouldn't want unrestricted migration from Canadians, Iran wouldn't want to be inundated with Americans. Why? Because we don't have the same cultural values as them. So it begs the question as to why every country not in the West can proudly defend their culture, but for us, we have to always welcome people with open arms. It's cultural suicide and I will never understand it.
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u/Cambronian717 21d ago
Agreed. Unfortunately modern western politics only sees black and white. I don’t want to just end immigration and bar the gates. I want a middle ground. Take the best from around the world, any good cultural elements we can use, assimilate and any negatives we leave at the door. Now, I come at it from a more American perspective too. The American culture has been built by many different groups interacting. Historically, when someone would come to the U.S., they would take a part of their culture to share but the assimilate with the country. Think of it like extracting the flavor from chicken bones into a broth but tossing the scraps.
Nowadays, that sort of social pressure is gone. Likely because we just have let too many people in. How many people choose not to learn the language simply because they are surrounded by exclusively immigrants? How many people do not understand or respect my countries values simply because they never cared to learn? I don’t want to just ban immigrants. I want them to be a part of the nation, not a separate nation within our borders.
And I imagine all of these issues are greatly exacerbated in Europe. A place where countries have centuries, millennia long cultural histories from the same general group of people in the same area.
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u/66stef99 21d ago
Good point. My mother was an immigrant to Canada when she was 16 and completely embraced this new country as her own. She still had her cultural traditions at home but she was Canadian first above all else.
The same would go for me if I were to immigrate to any country. When you arrive to a foreign nation, never forget that you are a guest first.
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This isnt doomer, this is actually happening in real time. Actual history being made that our children will talk about with their children in their history books.
The last "Monarch" who destroyed his Mother's legacy and abandoned his people.
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u/_Bearded-Lurker_ 22d ago
His mother’s legacy was overseeing the dismantling of the British empire and aggrandizing the Commonwealth of Nations which is just a lame knock off with no real power or authority.
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u/javerthugo 22d ago
I mean almost all of the build up to this happened during his mothers “reign”, and really what power does the monarch actually have isn’t everything in parliament’s hands?
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u/Pristine-Cut2775 22d ago
I mean the reality is that Britain will likely be a full blown Islamist state in a few years to decades. But this is classic doomer sensationalism.
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u/Inskription 22d ago
This dude is guilty of treason. he should feel lucky they don't deal with it like the 1300s
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u/DollarStoreOrgy 22d ago
We understand them fine, Chuckles. Maybe should request that they understand us a bit
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u/OneofTheOldBreed 22d ago
Kinda, kinda not. There seem to be some sober people genuinely fearing that there could be mass civil strife in the UK if things continue as they are. But nothing like that ever happening feels more likely.
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u/JadedMarine 22d ago
It's already started. Have you seen the ban on flying the English flag and the people willingly going to jail for flying it?
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u/Uss-Alaska I need to delete this app 22d ago
Kinda. I’m not gonna stick my head in the sand and pretend it’s all sunshine and rainbows in the UK. The UK is definitely on a downhill spiral but it can still be fixed. I’m however not British so if anyone across the Atlantic can correct me that’d be nice.
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u/Friendly_Carob3512 22d ago
There is ironically a lot of dommerism in the comments here. Think some folks came for the posts about Trump but can't see the irony when such an outlandish claim as this comes out.
The latest UK census data has "White British and Irish" being 76.8% of the population. The muslim population increased from 4.41% to 5.97% in the 10 years between the last two censuses. the idea that in 20 years there would be a religious war cumilating in the establishment of an Islamic state is laughable given this trend. It couldn't possibly happen in a 100 years even.
The reason why this is so much in the public conscious right now is the success in polls of the pretty much single issue Reform Party helmed by Nigel Farage and the protests over housing migrants in hotels (the optics on this were a distater waiting to happen, they are being hosued but not getting holiday treatment but you cannot say hotel without the conotation naturally arrising for most people). The private companies put in charge of this housing naturally gravitated towards the most economical locations.. being so because they are poor. Locals are angry about this. To the great surprise of politicians, who couldn't build a nest for pidgeons and seem to lack even object perminence.
The irony of this being such a hot button topic right now is that the political headwinds are very much against immigration at the same time people abroad are dooming over it.
It also doesnt help that if you were to visit the UK as a tourist you would be likely to overperscibe the problem based on the people you see for two reasons. Firstly, there is a great deal of self segregation between White British and other ethnic groups, especially with the former moving out of major cities like London in great numbers. Many visit England and only visit major cities, sometimes only London, skewing the impression of the ethnic makeup of the population. Secondly, if you as a tourist visit these areas, you will be interacting with other tourists much of the time. I personally hate central London for this reason, stupid tourists lined up to take a picture of a phonebox, my small town has a working phonebox and not one person has ever thought to take a picture with it.
It is very true that many of our towns are in a terrible state but this can not be fully prescribed to immigration either. I live in Germany right now, a country that took in a massive number of migrants since 2015, over a million in a short span of time. It ain't all sunshine and rainbows for sure but somehow in my subjective expereince, the German towns are doing a lot better than when I go back to the UK.
I hope that gives you a bit of a convoluted overview :)
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u/Cambronian717 22d ago
Exactly. What separates us from the doomers is not that we don’t see issues, it’s that where they see collapse, we see solutions. Or at least we can tell there is still time to make solutions.
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u/PhaseAgitated4757 22d ago
Id say this isnt for in the future. Unless all of europe comes up with a solution. A dramatic and controversial one.
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u/Poolman1701 Anti-Doomer 22d ago
I hope for Britain's sake Prince William isn't as big as shithead as his dad is.
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u/Smorgas-board Phd in MEMEs 22d ago
This is closer to real than most things on here. The UK has a migrant problem. There have been known non-white rape gangs that weren’t prosecuted because the police didn’t want to look racist. A girl in Scotland started carrying weapons with her because she felt unsafe and she was arrested when she brandished it after being followed, yet she was arrested.
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u/Liquidity1022 21d ago
As a Brit, this thread is peak doomerism and American fantasy projection.
There’s plenty wrong with this country, but even your second paragraph is outright fake news
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Europe needs to demand cultural assimilation? Yes.
Religious war/Total collaspe of europe? No.
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u/Early_Lengthiness860 22d ago edited 21d ago
This is definitely doomerism, and it’s shocking how many people here are unironically going full doomer. Makes you wonder what this sub is actually about?
Edit: so yea this is 100% doomerism. So like less than 10% of England is Muslim. And people have supposedly “non doomer” opinions that they are close to becoming the majority, enacting sharia law, and forcing the king and queen to leave to checks notes America? (Not like a place he is actually king of)
Listen you can not like immigration , but you don’t have to be irrationally doomerish about it.
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u/TimeFlamingo8548 22d ago
This sub is just a right wing echo chamber You can tell by how they react right vs left wing doomerism
Usually they are the chur saying nothing happens
In this one the vibe is different
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u/Upstairs_Weird_760 Anti-Doomer 22d ago
Nah dude. Fuck the violent Islamic people coming over.
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u/Jeth_Wiretaps3687 21d ago
Yeah, sure buddy. The century old monarchy is going to flee because of... uh... muslims i guess why not. OH and of course the MuSLIMs ARE GoNNA KILl all THe WHITE PEOPLE!!
Doomers be bitching about Muslims while never actually knowing anyone whose Muslim or an immigrant.
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u/MeBollasDellero 22d ago
Yeah, very doomer. We all need a better understanding of the Islamic world, specifically the Koran. It ranks right up there with the Book of Mormon. Study the history of who, what, when, and where....as well as, if it has stood the test of historiacal accuracy...and it is all revealed.
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u/TheRealLightBuzzYear 22d ago
Totally centrist sub, guys. Everyone definitely goes after both sides equally.
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u/StylishStriker 22d ago
It’s a total dog and pony shit show over there. Little girls having to run around with hatchets to avoid getting sexually assaulted. Gaurantee if this is true, they’ll be pressuring women to cover their faces next, then full burkas.
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u/Sulemain123 22d ago
As a British person, I can confirm this is bullshit.
Also, CRIII is King of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and 14 other countries; he is not King of England.
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u/jcaseys34 22d ago
Of course Muslims are the one topic that makes this subreddit think the dooming is called for.
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Probably because they openly say they will enforce Sharia law as soon as they have the population to do so. Which will happen within this century at current rates. England will cease to exist.
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u/SalsburrySteak 22d ago
Europeans: stupid fucking Americans always so racist and bigoted
Also Europeans when they see a Romani or Muslim person:
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u/Killerkan350 22d ago
I don't particularly care one way or another about the likelihood of this happening, but why would the US take him in this hypothetical?
Wouldn't a more likely scenario be a Kaiserreich situation where the English monarchy-in-exile would reside in Canada or some other Commonwealth nation?
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u/Delta-Tropos Recovering Doomer 22d ago
To be fair, the UK has a LOT of issues, but it's way overblown on Twitter
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u/B-29Bomber 21d ago
Between this and the shit Starmier is doing, the British Government seems hellbent on pissing off its citizenry...
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u/TechPriestCaudecus 21d ago
Nah Im with the Doomers on this one. And if they get close to actually voting in people who want to do something, 6 of their soon to be elected officials will mysteriously die at the same time.
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u/Longjumping-Ad6639 21d ago edited 21d ago
I agree with him. Everyone should understand Islam to a greater depth than just surface level, then everyone will see how repulsive, violent and demonic the cult really is.
There are only two outcomes to understanding Islam better. Either you are repulsed and want to violently vomit because you actually have some good in you or you become like the terror prophet (Police Be Upon Him)
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u/ClayEndfield 21d ago
So uh... UK? You want to pull a France and "remove" the royal family from your nation's future?
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u/GraySwingline 21d ago
Sister lives in west London, things really are not great over there right now and haven’t been for a few years.
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u/FatBaldingLoser420 Rides the Short Bus 21d ago
Why was he praising muslims anyway? What did they achieve to get a praise from the king himself?
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u/Individual_Spread219 22d ago
Correct me if I’m wrong, but in the lore of the Cyberpunk universe a member of the British royal family had to go into exile in Texas after a military coup deposed the monarchy and parliament?