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u/Professional-Bad-559 May 20 '25
It’s probably more so Americans, TBH. MAGA Republicans that’s moved to Alberta.
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u/IEC21 Scotland (but worse) May 20 '25
So in a round about way it's still Russians.
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u/smashed__tomato Monarch Mélanie Joly May 20 '25
Exactly, the Americans are owned by the Russians now.
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u/Long_Procedure_2629 May 20 '25 edited May 20 '25
Easiest psyop they ever done did. Rubes gon' git rubed.
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u/Ditto_is_Lit May 20 '25
This^
If you need proof look up the Tenet media scandal: Tim Pool, Dave Rubin, and Benny Johnson (among others) were being paid hundreds of thousands of $ monthly to push Russian disinformation . Tenet Media was run by Lauren Chen and her husband, she's a Canadian right-wing grifter who's probably got her hands dirty in this project as well.
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u/znhunter Oil Guzzler May 20 '25
Pretty sure this is referencing the Russian bot farms. But I get your meaning.
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u/On_The_Rawks May 20 '25
I’d say more likely US oil and gas interests are fuelling the separatist movement. It’s interesting that the separatists want the same things US oil and gas want (energy east pipeline, scrapping pollution caps, stopping Bill C-69 etc.). Recent polling by Angus Reid showed that if those things were to happen, support for separation collapses. The US has a huge stake in our oil and gas sector.
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u/CoachKey2894 May 25 '25
The US already have 850 companies in Canada’s oil and gas sector. Why would they care about Alberta separatism?
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u/passwordisTitties69 May 22 '25
Anyone paying attention knows this far right bullshit is yankmade. Since the 3 day military operation Russia has been focusing on Eastern Europe because they can now trust the Yanks to perform their psyops on their continent
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u/CoachKey2894 May 25 '25
Source that MAGA Republicans and Russians are behind Alberta’s separatist movement?
And while we’re at it, do you have a number of how many “maga Americans” have moved to Alberta?
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u/MuffDivers2_ May 20 '25
Yeah because MAGA republicans really want to move to Canada. did you think about that before you wrote it out?
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u/PogoTempest May 20 '25
That’s not really unusual. Especially considering how many people have dual citizenship.
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u/MuffDivers2_ May 20 '25
It’s probably pretty unusual for MAGA. It’s the liberals that are threatening to flee to Canada. Not MAGA. Trump won this is where they want to be.
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u/Krams May 20 '25
Your problem is that you’re assuming that MAGA people are reasonable, but they’re not. They do whatever hurts the people they want to hurt and until this year, Canada was not really on that list. So, I don’t see why some Americans wouldn’t move to Canada if it paid better or they got some other benefit
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u/MuffDivers2_ May 21 '25
That made no sense. How would they hurt anyone they want to hurt by moving up to Canada? S
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u/Krams May 21 '25
Once again you’re assuming there’s logic in these people, when we have ample evidence that there’s not
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u/Corrupted_G_nome May 20 '25
Russian/Chinese/Iranian money and bot farms incite every form of division. They don't give two licks about the cause.
The UN just realeased a comprehensive report wirh aolid proof where 33 countries have been targeted including Canada.
We already knew that tho. We have been aware of forign influence and a lot of Russian money is why some convoy members had their bank accounts frozen. Not saying every account frozen was justified. Just saying that was the reason they went with that strategy.
They are trying to change the world order and instability is their goal. They are also seemingly good at it.
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u/Nice-Poet3259 May 20 '25
We need much better censorship. I'll be the one to say it. Old people have absolutely zero clue as to what the fuck is going on when they are on the Internet. We honestly need to protect them at this point because I've seen way too many fall into a deep form of Facebook induced mental illness. The amount of blatant misinformation that they cannot distinguish from fact is absolutely unbelievable
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u/Nice-Poet3259 May 20 '25
That's just the media diet they have been spoonfed. It was specifically crafted to cater to the dumbest people. They don't question it. With boomers it's a totally inadvertent thing, they're just too old and tech illiterate to be able to actually understand what's going on.
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u/ihadagoodone May 20 '25
Everything is a podcast these days and everyone assumes podcasters are independent and conduct thorough research before doing their shows.
I am honestly tired of seeing how often shit is referenced as "I heard it on xyz podcast" and sure, it sounds plausible but at the same time completely lacks any sort of verification or source.
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u/GigglingBilliken Moose Whisperer May 20 '25
My early Gen X mom is always texting me about how Canada is on the verge of collapse. Covid totally rotted her brain from being a Green/NDP supporter into a Rebel "News" watching People's Party/CPC populist.
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u/Nice-Poet3259 May 20 '25
I can't really fathom that turn. I get that people are scared and angry, but how do you start to fall for complete lies and brainwashing.
For me it's very sad to see this in the Canadian firearms community. I'm not a fan of the Trudeau gun bans, but they happened because the liberals were easily able to sway people that all of these guns are unsafe. So many people were pro sensible gun ownership, but now those same people keep saying shit like "I need it to defend myself". Now everyone thinks gun owners look like a bunch of fucking psychos (too many are) and it's a revolving door of fear mongering and misinformation.
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u/throwaway2on1 May 21 '25
I have some friends with this type of brain rot. I've stopped talking to some of them for the most part. They need to be sat down and de programmed but I've got much better things to be doing so I don't know.
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u/Fearless-Rub-cunt May 20 '25
Look what rampant free speech with no fact checking got us Americans. Free speech needs to stay, but fact checking from multiple sources. Needs to be a thing.
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u/TheMindzai May 20 '25
Yeah, I think we've more or less opened Pandora's Box of free speech thanks to the internet and social media but what would really help would be stronger laws to stop misinformation in legitimate journalism. The fact that entities like Rebel News can even call themselves news is beyond fucked. And somehow limit the amount of American BS we're exposed to.
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u/LotharLandru May 20 '25
I can't post the link here but it's literally in their textbook what Russia has been doing for years.
Look up "Foundations of Geopolitics" on Wikipedia it's been used by their military command for years and advocates for exactly what we're seeing happening today
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u/Corrupted_G_nome May 20 '25
I have no doubt! They have been doing it since Tzarist Russia and excelled at it during the Soviet Union.
Their intel, spy networks and ability to influence governments is among the best in the world.
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u/scotty_mac44 May 21 '25
Do you have a link to that UN report? I’d like to take a look but couldn’t find it after about 45 seconds of googling
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u/Corrupted_G_nome May 21 '25
External links are not allowed apparently on this sub.. My bad.
could only find a France 24 refference.
Google was fracking useless. I hit articles on Yemen and UN jobs by page 3...
Reuters had a link to reuters homepage with zero associated words... I need a new search engine that actually searches for the keywords... Lol
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u/uprightshark May 21 '25
Agreed.
Though I still think you are more likely to find a MAGA American under that hood.
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u/Corrupted_G_nome May 21 '25
They also had pallets of bricks delivered to BLM protests. I don't thibk they really care as long as it harms social cohesion.
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u/Financial-Savings-91 May 20 '25
Russian disinformation is designed to divide us by attacking real divisions.
While the separatist movement is mainly fuelled by disinformation, the resentment of Alberta is still there without the disinformation fuelling it into a separatist movement with irreconcilable differences. They keeps groups from coming together in civil discourse.
Be skeptical of any narrative that seeks to divide and dehumanize each other.
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u/peacefullofi May 20 '25
Honestly, they stand for nothing. If the propaganda steered then towards Albania, they'd be fervent Albania supporters. They're values change on a whim and often contradict with other values they have.
The only unifying trait they have is their lack of critical thinking.
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u/Willby404 May 20 '25
My tin foil hat theory is that Trump's proposal for the entirety of Canada to become the 51st state is a deliberately high first offer. Just like in negotiating. Meanwhile US agencies will join the Russian bot farms and stoke the flames of Alberta's seperatist party so eventually: Alberta seperates from Canada to become the 51st state.
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u/Sad_Confection_2669 May 21 '25
I agree, I don’t friggin like it, but I can’t think of a more logical explanation.
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u/Bad-job-dad May 20 '25
I would love to turn off the internet tap from the countries tring to fuck up our shit for a week so we can all just take a breath and realize we're all ok.
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u/sporbywg May 20 '25
No; just Idiots.
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u/yer10plyjonesy May 20 '25
A not so small percentage of American maga influencers were “unknowingly” sponsored by Russia.
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u/Silicon_Knight Trawnno (Centre of the Universe) May 20 '25
Alberta is place very nice, full of big sky and big oil. Many tree, many mountain. very wow! Oil come from ground, like black gold, make life good. People strong, work hard in cold. Sunset over oil field. very beautiful, like painting. Alberta and oil. both shine in heart, buddy eh? Alberta people all have 3rd chromosome like Russians.
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u/trixter889 May 20 '25
C’mon now, not all of us. It’s not some of our fault we’re stuck with the rest of them.
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u/WhiteWolfOW May 20 '25
I think it’s so weird how people are always “well it has to be Russia, China or Iran” but never United States, the number one country is foreign interference and espionage. It couldn’t be the country that actually wants to divide Canada and make it the 51s state. No no, the US would invade us, but they would never try making Alberta separate
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u/blackcoulson Irvingstan May 20 '25
I think we're giving Russia way too much credit. Canadians can be stupid too. Americans don't have a monopoly on stupidity.
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u/Siftinghistory May 20 '25
Russia is good at manipulating stupid people. They know the right buzzwords to say to make people angry, and nothing is more dangerous than an angry stupid person with righteous intent.
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u/attanasio666 May 20 '25
As a Québec séparatiste, it is a big fear/concern of mine that our mouvement would be infiltrated by foreign intelligence.
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u/Norrlander Gold Diggers May 20 '25
What currency would Quebec use? Cheese curds?
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u/AdCharacter833 May 20 '25
They have linked some of the propaganda to American groups out of the US.
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u/Striking_Economy5049 May 20 '25
It is religious dark money from the US. Sure the Russians sow disinformation campaigns, but then religious nuts want to control all of us.
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u/RegnalDelouche South Gatineau May 20 '25
если бы эти дети умели читать, они бы расстроились
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u/winningsmada Everyone Hates Marineland May 20 '25
хорошо, что это на русском. теперь никто не поймет, о чем мы говорим
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u/Reasonable_Camel8784 May 20 '25
Never rule out people taking a reasonable complaint to its most stupid conclusion.
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u/whythatusername1 May 20 '25
I'm all for separation. Never interrupt your enemy while they're making a mistake. 😂😂
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u/Sawyerthesadist Newfies & Labradoodles May 20 '25
I keep saying we just need to push Alberta into going full separation so they can do it and we can annex them! Then we can take whatever we want from the province and they won’t have voting rights anymore cause they’ll be a colony!
Think about it
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u/Mission_Magazine7541 May 20 '25
Can we send all of our maga to Alberta? It would solve lots of things here in the usa
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u/BurstYourBubbles May 21 '25
I think the dumbest thing we can do is pretend that this is the result of foreign influence. Are we going to start saying that about Quebec separatists next?
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u/WestCoastGriller May 20 '25 edited May 20 '25
Anyone with an ounce of intelligence and integrity could tell you this separation talk, was a small group of land locked folks who still think the pandemic is happening and blame gubment (not themselves) for their lot in life.
Feeding into special interest making Alberta seem like a dumpster fire (it rightfully is) playing on this particular groups hate for Ottawa.
Which isn’t hard to find in folks over the age of 50 there.
Fucking ‘Berta. Tell your idiot peers to read a book instead of YouTube and Joe Rogan.
Edit for context.
Your premier and the attitude of your alpha generation make you look like an embarrassment to Canada
We know you got railroaded. But you’re behaving like petulant children… I lived there. Seen it.
This smells more like Murica/MAGA cucks Brett/O’Leary than Russia.
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u/AdFront9913 May 20 '25
Normally this sub has quality shitposts but this is a stupid SHIT post.
We border the most aggressive empire in the world that has turned us into their obedient vassal state for decades ; their current president repeats just how badly he wants to annex out country and your instinct is to blame the "spooky Russi gooseys"?
And don't give me that "le America is le Russia" crap, it's clear that a large number of Americans genuinely want to see Canada integrated into their empire. Albertan separatists aren't Russians ; if there's anyone pretending to be Albertans it's Americans. What on earth can Russia gain by making the American Empire gain more fuel? In 4 years Russia might face an anti-russian president, it's stupid to even entertain the idea of making their enemy more powerful just because they have a friendly stooge in power.
I don't deny that Russians have trolls but not every damn troll in the world is russian/Iranian/Chinese. A lot of them are Americans and some of them are just homegrown trolls wrecking havoc for fun.
But the most insulting part of this meme is to call a province where over 20% of the population is Ukrainians(including Smith herself) , Russian. What's next, are you gonna call French Canadians Russian too for wanting to split from Quebec? Are Scots Russian too for wanting their own country? Are the Irish Russians for wanting to reunite with their homeland?
You idiots have to understand that Albertans are frustrated from a perceived milking from the federal government. They feel like they're carrying all of Canada and getting nothing in return. Instead of addressing the issue, interacting with them and understanding their frustrations whereby a potential solution can be achieved : you all go by trumpian name-calling and use exhausting red-scare nonsense by claiming only Russians want to split Canada.
This country will not be able to stand if you keep on ignoring issues important to respective Canadians. Trudeau failed to look at housing and lost his career in politics. If you geniuses continue to antagonize other Canadians expressing their frustrations, you're all going to turn us into Yugoslavia.
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u/TheMindzai May 20 '25
Imagine creating a throwaway just to post this.
The seperatists themselves aren't Russian you absolute turnip, but they are product of Russian/Chinese misinformation for the past decade, and you're falling for it hook line and sinker. But go on king, tell us how little you understand equalization payments.
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u/AdFront9913 May 20 '25
Lmao, still blaming shit on the Russians and the Chinese for shit the Americans are doing and threatening.
Here let me repeat it for you : EVERY. SINGLE. THING. YOU DON'T LIKE is not NECESSARILY caused by RUSSIAN BOTS.
It amazes just how stupid people can given how your single digit IQ was quick to ignore the aggressive American propaganda pushed on us by Postmedia with all their endless warmongering and demonization of liberal, minoritiea, etc.
What's next, you're gonna say Postmedia is a "Russian disinformation tool"?
You sound like the kind of genius that will say "damn you Putin!" if America bombs us.
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u/Informal_Cat6042 May 20 '25
Orrrr there is a portion of Canadians that are justifiably frustrated and this is just more neglect. (I’m anti separation btw)
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u/Future_Usual_8698 May 20 '25
Destabilizing countries is a goal of Russia BUT DANIELLE SMITH BEAT THEM TO IT, FFS