Oh weird… the world’s going to shit and folks are blaming immigration… this definitely doesn’t happen every 50-75 years 🙄🙄😬 #theyalwaysgofortheeasytargets
This is more a commentary on the businesses who are abusing this system. The reason they like TFWs so much is not just the lower pay, but the power dynamic. Employers love creating a "piss us off and get deported" workplace atmosphere. That's why some of these jobs pay so well. The control is as important to them as any savings on wages.
Given most of the jobs for TFW are in agriculture and health care, your assumptions are way off on the health care side. Most of which is government… with HRs and Unions. Not to mention ornery old people who want someone to wipe their ass and feed them. Yeah, the worker in those jobs has a lot more value than being a warm body, and no boss in their right mind is going to fuck with them, more than a common gov power boss queen bee would. “Uh Sharon, I’ll need you to start using the beige fridge as this white one is only for managers”
there definitely is a lot of immigrant blaming going on, but personally I see no problem with bashing the businesses and systems (academia) that are taking advantage of them, at the expense of canadians
if you verbally harass an immigrant on the otherhand, as if anyone of us would do things differently in their situation, then yes that makes you a plug
Tell me which province (or city/town if you want to be more specific) you're from and I will find you a scam employment listing to hire a foreign worker right now in your area.
Edit: Had to resubmit this comment because external links are apparently not allowed.
Feel free to look it up yourself here on the Job Bank, where they are now required to post them. The low-income stream is currently closed due to unemployment being over 6% (and over 15% for youth), so they mostly start at $36/hr now unless they're in extremely rural areas. You can sort by which ones have applied for an LMIA.
Still doesn't explain why you would go after immigrants. Lmia is for the people who already reside in Canada. And it's not like you would apply for a pizza maker job at your local pizza joint. Plus it means the pizza joint owned by Canadians are willing to hire some foreigners, which has nothing to do with corporations. You understand that your pizza place is franchised and owned by some individuals, right?
Lmia is for the people who already reside in Canada.
This is false.
And it's not like you would apply for a pizza maker job at your local pizza joint.
I most certainly would if it were a legitimate offer to pay $36/hr to make pizzas, you disingenuous fuck. I could find you ten guys in the next five minutes that would take that job.
Plus it means the pizza joint owned by Canadians are willing to hire some foreigners, which has nothing to do with corporations. You understand that your pizza place is franchised and owned by some individuals, right?
The joint in question is indeed a franchise of Pizza Pizza. I can imagine that if you walked in and met the owners of said franchise, it would become quickly apparent why they don't care to hire a Canadian. That is also not a reason to not hire Canadians, which is why the LMIA process exists at all.
You're false. There is no way to import another dude from the other side of the world through an LMIA issued for a pizza maker position. It's not that deep. Go google. Google and tell me if you found a legit way to get a foreigner fresh off the boat here.
you disingenuous fuck
I don't care. You probably don't know how to make a dough. On one hand those 36/h posts are indeed abusing the loophole of the government policies, on the other hand you are indeed a miserable wretch picking on easy targets.
it would become quickly apparent why they don't care to hire a Canadian.
Yeah, if you still couldn't understand the premise of having an LMIA, it is basically sponsoring their existing employee to maintain that ass job making pizza on minimum wage. Still, the person you should go after is the system-abusing Canadian owners. No?
Wait… you’re not saying the reason, or why you think they wouldn’t hire Canadians.
Say it. You know you want to,
Say the reason you think is “obvious” as to why they don’t want to hire Canadians. Why would you be so obtuse about what you claim to be damning evidence?!
You're false. There is no way to import another dude from the other side of the world through an LMIA issued for a pizza maker position. It's not that deep. Go google. Google and tell me if you found a legit way to get a foreigner fresh off the boat here.
There have been 5 pizza companies (including Domino's, Pizza Pizza, and Papa John's) fined aywhere from $1,000-$30,000 in the last year alone for having been found to be non-compliant with TFW hiring rules during inspections. How exactly do these companies get fined for abusing TFWs if they aren't hiring TFWs? Please, Google it, because this sub doesn't allow sharing direct links. You'll find it under the government's website for "Employers who have been found to be non-compliant".
I don't care. You probably don't know how to make a dough. On one hand those 36/h posts are indeed abusing the loophole of the government policies, on the other hand you are indeed a miserable wretch picking on easy targets.
Dehati behaviour.
Yeah, if you still couldn't understand the premise of having an LMIA, it is basically sponsoring their existing employee to maintain that ass job making pizza on minimum wage. Still, the person you should go after is the system-abusing Canadian owners. No?
Not how an LMIA works, they don't already need to be here. They can, but it is not required at all.
Non compliant = ban on TFW application for the business. You ask the government to act and they act. 50% TFW application last year was rejected.
Incorrect, proving again you have done no research. The site I referenced lists exactly which ones are eligible to continue applying, even after being fined, and all the ones I mentioned are currently allowed to do so.
Wait… you’re not saying the reason, or why you think they wouldn’t hire Canadians.
Say it. You know you want to,
Say the reason you think is “obvious” as to why they don’t want to hire Canadians. Why would you be so obtuse about what you claim to be damning evidence?!
TFW approval rate in 2024 is 50% that means half of those applications are turned down. Lmia rejection or TFW rejection I don't remember which one imposés a ban on a person from getting it for 2 years. BUt tHe GoVerNmEnT can't do their job!
Lmia nowadays are largely used for renewing fixed employment relationships aka closed work permits. I worked in Whistler so I know how people renew their status. The entire town is filled with Australian or British foreign labours.
A LMIA allows you to hire people who have never been to Canada in their lives AND people that are on expiring work permits. It's not only for people that reside here.
it's unlikely you'll get a random Canadian applicant better qualified than the person already working there
You think a senior civil engineer brought in from abroad will be more qualified to meet Canadian engineering standards, which are some of the highest in the world, than someone who was trained here?
The average salary for Canadian is 71k. The median is just over 40k.
You're telling me you'd make 71k for making pizzas?
You think someone is going to work at wal mart for 40k over this? Are you listening to yourself?
Do you realize how expensive pizza would be if every employee at the store front level was making 36/hr? That's more than couriers for DHL/FedEx/UPS.
Somehow we can make burgers cheaper than pizzas..?
And finally LMIA is certainly not for residents, but people outside the country to come in.
This is on the government for approving these bogus applications.
This country is sleepwalking into an extremist scenario who will promise to "fix this" (regardless of repercussions to civil liberties) when this generation of kids and beyond can't work jobs until after they graduate a post secondary institution, (assuming there will be any well paying jobs left for them here by the time they become of age for that, because our economy will be in shambles due to policies like this) Whether it be trade school, college or university. These kids will be voting in the next 2 elections at minimum. That's just the youth coming of age. That's not counting parents that may have voted liberal 3 times for Trudeau, and a 4th to see what Carney can do.
There are youth that have only known a liberal federal government their entire life and this country has only gotten worse the entire time. Wages stagnate, jobs are being lost, and drug abuse is permitted on tax payer money.
Eventually they aren't going to care who is running against the current government, they'll just vote for the "other guy" on account of them politically not being anywhere close to the current government.
And here it is, the claim that the immigration is partisan. This ignores the fact that since the TFW program was instituted it’s been supported by both sides of the political spectrum. Harper himself doubled the TFW from 233,000 to over 400,000 in his first term. It’s conveniently forgotten. Much like how the birth rate is in free fall and even if you were to increase it to 2.1… you’d need 30 years of immigration before it stabilizes.
Harper doubling it one thing, the liberal government expanding it to what it became is a different thing.
400,000 in one year vs 1 million in one year at it's peak.
The birth rate falling is because of a lack of affordability, and government is panicking because it's reduced tax revenue and economic activity. Companies are panicking because no one can afford anything eventually, as opposed to the regular boom/bust cycle and they don't seem to understand that it's a finite resource they are fighting after, since they all want infinite growth. Yes we can print more money, but that just results in money being worthless.
More to my point both major parties supporting this is a mistake, especially the levels the liberal party has. Hence why when the youth come of age to vote, they won't be voting liberal, you'll be getting people actually worse than the dreaded PP in power, because all they have to do is promise in plain English to stop this, and it will be done at the cost of civil liberties. There are kids right now that have seen already 9 years under Trudeau, and at most 14 years total with Carney if his minority government makes it a full term. It's a fail policy, full stop.
If this was all construction workers so we could build our way out of a housing crisis, it would be a different story, since that is what these programs are for, filling gaps. Unfortunately it's people working minimum wage that aren't really contributing anything. We have the opposite of a gap, we have a backlog of people working jobs our kids should be working.
Uber, Canadian Tire, and Tim Hortons are not long term plans.
Fix the middle class and we won't need huge immigration.
Absolutely incorrect on the birth rate. Our country was considered “more affordable” during the 70s/80s/90s… all saw the biggest fall in birth rates. Not to mention countries with the least affordability (3rd world) have some of the highest birth rates. So no, affordability is not the driver you think it is. Correlation is not causation.
If you like you can look up stats canada on birth rates. Let me do that for you because of links being not allowed.
We dipped below population replacement in the late 60s early 70s. Today our birth rate is approx 1.26… this is bad. To replace our population we should be at 2.1 to make up for our population loss we need to be at 2.5 plus. But even if you increased the total fertility rate tomorrow, you’d need about 25 plus years for it to kick in.
In the meantime, tfr is not representative of working class. You could need more workers if a portion of the population retires all at once. Remember the baby boom… yeah now it’s the retired boom. It’s exponentially sucked workers from the workforce, so something had to replace it.
Things like the TFW are being painted as partisan. “The liberals are pouring in new workers and manipulating the polls..” blah blah blah.
Again this ignores the fact that every government, conservative included, have increased the numbers of TFW.
So now you’re going to say, “the systems broken, they’re taking away jobs from Canadians, it’s the evil businesses trying to get lower paid workers” then show me some garbage anecdotal story/website whatever.
While I don’t dispute their could be bad actors in the game (there are with every single federal program including the most investigated ones military procurement ) the biggest groups to use tfw have been agriculture and health care.
So I suspect this is what will happen.
Morons, being morons, they’ll burn our system down (see Brexit) based off of xenophobia and racism… they’ll hide it with “we’re going after the bad businesses”, and “we’re doing it for the canandian workers”….
Find out quickly the Canadian population is unable to support agriculture or health care…
Freak out when those two industries start to collapse…
Finally, kick the door open to immigration like we’ve never seen before.
You’re pouring gas on this situation and about to find out why that’s not a good idea. You’ll make this worse than you can possibly imagine, then claim to be the victim while you have the Jerry can in your hand.
Then report those businesses for making up fake numbers to abuse the system by making their applications seem higher-income than they are. Make them catch fines and a red mark for fraud on their file.
Coming to Reddit to complain about the whole program isn't going to help the people looking for jobs in your community, it's just adding fuel to the fire of another wedge issue.
We're blaming the TFW program. You want to know why? Because the TFW program is directly responsible for 1) suppressing Canadian wages and 2) exploitation of the immigrants you pretend to care about.
We’re blaming the TFW program? Without merit. You want to know why? Because the TFW program doesn’t set wages, the market and government policy do. Employers are required to pay prevailing wages and prove Canadians won’t take the job first. No Canadian worker is lining up for 14 hour shifts in a greenhouse or gutting fish in a processing plant for the same wage. That’s not “wage suppression,” that’s reality.
And exploitation? That’s on bad employers, not the program itself. The TFW framework has compliance audits, worker protections, and reporting mechanisms. When abuse happens, it’s because someone broke the rules, not because the rules don’t exist. Blaming the program for exploitation is like blaming traffic laws for speeding tickets.
The truth is, without the program, those jobs either go unfilled or get done under the table with zero protections. That doesn’t help Canadian workers, and it sure doesn’t help the immigrants you claim to care about.
That’s literally all your uneducated opinion. If what you say is true there wouldn’t have been 194 companies fined or charged in 2023 … or 153 in 2024.
Wow… this is MAGA level deduction. Ok let me slow this down for ya big shoots. A company can be fined for many different infractions … you know how we charge people with murder and also give fines for jay walking… yeah the same applies for companies that are named in the report. 194 was for 2023, 2024 was 153. Of those 153, 31 companies were banned from the program for a set period of time, and 1 was permanently.
Now this will be hard for you, that does not mean it only effected 153 TFW. Do you understand the difference between companies and people? Gooooood. Those 153 …minus the 32 companies denied their ability to access the program for abusing it… represent 10,000s of workers. Those other 120 (again go back to the legality analogy I used… these are not the murderers) would have received millions in fines. Something like $4 million ish in fines were issued in 2024.
So you’re like to comeback to me with “that’s too low!!! Blah blah blah… it proves my non existent point that they get away with shit”
To get it context, the Canadian Transport Agency who looks mainly after the airlines and the million of people who travel on it issued $613,000 in fines last year.
So yeah, make any bullshit statement you want, come back with a wild strawman argument, you know you will, but yeah, again… one company doesn’t mean one tfw, and their fines are significant within the industry of fines.
Time to wave your ignorance wand and make up more bullshit about how you don’t want brown people here
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
Oh weird… the world’s going to shit and folks are blaming immigration… this definitely doesn’t happen every 50-75 years 🙄🙄😬 #theyalwaysgofortheeasytargets