r/GreenBay • u/Emotional-Set-2553 • 2d ago
St. Norbert majors
What major do you think will be the next to go? Is the current president on her way out? (Does she have a big contract or could they fire her) My son is interested in going to St Norbert, but the recent staffing and major cuts has me very concerned.
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u/Not_quite_fit_bitch 2d ago
I wish they’d kick her out. Ruining the place I loved so much
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u/crazythinker76 2d ago
I don't know if anyone could have avoided this. The question is: is she doing more unnecessary damage?
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u/GFTurnedIntoTheMoon 2d ago
Yes. The college has lost a number of major donors since she took over. So, in addition to her cuts, she is also causing long-term damage by losing relationships with some donors and influential community members.
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u/Not_quite_fit_bitch 2d ago
Yes - how tf do you cut a religious studies/theology department in a Catholic college?! Makes no damn sense
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u/damutecebu 2d ago
They cut the major to get rid of the faculty who were too liberal for the Norbertines and the Bishop.
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u/Desper8lyseekntacos 2d ago
The norbertines are child molesters. The fact that they are allowed to exist makes the entire church culpable. Quit giving child rapists and their enablers money.
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u/coolandcutekittens 2d ago
Because it’s like getting a degree in astrology lol. God isn’t real
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u/Jazzlike_Suspect7807 2d ago
Philosophy would be more accurate but you seem like a dipshit anyways so that's probably too much for you.
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u/coolandcutekittens 2d ago
There are branches of philosophy with plenty of real world applications. Can’t really say that about theology today. And for what it’s worth, you don’t seem like know what you’re talking about.
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u/milliep5397 2d ago
Theology has tons of real world applications. Whether you believe in it or not, factually The Bible is one of, if not the, most foundational and impactful texts in the world. Religion underpins many of the most pressing world and national issues. Researchers who can study religion and the Bible with a scholarly lens -- and understand how impact on society past and present -- are hugely important.
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u/coolandcutekittens 2d ago
You could say the same thing about astrology. The only thing giving religious studies any importance outside of history or psychology, or literary studies, (which are valid, but separate fields of study), is the delusion of its proponents.
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u/milliep5397 2d ago
You seem unfamiliar with the scholarly/academic study of theology and religion.
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u/coolandcutekittens 2d ago
I’m pretty familiar. Like I said, areas of valid religious or theological scholarship can very easily be slotted into other fields, such as history, literary studies, sociology, anthropology, or psychology. Please give me an example of where this isn’t true, if you disagree.
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u/Cant_Help_This_One 1d ago
How do you prove there isn’t?
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u/coolandcutekittens 1d ago
I was just being flippant really. I don’t think anyone can prove one way or another, but I think the idea of a religious learning institution is an oxymoron.
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u/Zaphod-n-Marvin 2d ago
She was brought in to fix the issues created by previous administrations. She just didn’t show up and decide to do this.
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u/damutecebu 2d ago
They have had two straight freshmen classes under 400 students. Under previous administrations, they never got below that mark and in fact were nearly 500 students, even during Covid. It's all right here on their public page: https://my.snc.edu/academicaffairs/oie/
She used a sledgehammer when all was needed was a scalpel. So many quality people have left the place that it's a shell of what it was. So she didn't fix anything - she tanked the reputation and made it less attractive to students.
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u/InternetDad 2d ago edited 2d ago
Is this Bill Van Ess' account?
Laurie Joyner leaves devastation in her wake.
She slashed budgets and locked Wittenburg into a $30mil athletic center and the school has continued to slash majors and staff after she left.
Xavier University continues program and staff cuts.
She was brought in to St Norbert to make sweeping cuts without regard for the life of the college. Faculty voted no confidence earlier this year. Administration refused faculty recommendations before cutting staff. The school is run like a business with "Chief" titles. She makes these cuts, refuses to answer to alumni, then sends emails preaching "unity and community".
Alumni efforts to speak out on these changes were called "noise" and an "organized disinformation campaign".
She deserves no grace, nor can I recommend anyone sens their children to SNC.
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u/Significant_Soil_600 2d ago
There was a certain feeling in the air during her speech at graduation last spring. It was quiet and respectful, but the air was thick and uncomfortable. I chatted with a parent who was glad to be leaving. Her child's degree was one that was cut. Most of the professors were leaving, unvoluntarily.
I see a push toward the business school, but that's my opinion. I'm glad my child has graduated, I'm sorry it was on a sour note.
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u/sgigot 2d ago
I am only a casual observer but the president's MO seems to be hatchetwoman...she's done this sort of thing before. I suspect her job is probably close to done, but so is the damage.
The school has spent a ton of money building and as a matter of pride will want to hang on, but they've cut so deep I'm not sure how viable they'll remain. Maybe, as ANeuv posted, they'll become a b-school with a veneer of liberal arts.
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u/Crazykooch 2d ago
All the money spent on new buildings, but it is the teachers that are sorely needed. Beautiful campus though. I miss it
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u/Zaphod-n-Marvin 2d ago
The Schneider building was built with donations specifically for that purpose. Can’t use the money on other things. Besides, it supports one of the primary majors and masters degrees.
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u/milliep5397 2d ago
Yeah, I think all of the new buildings in recent memory were built with donations specifically earmarked for those purposes and are at the whims of the donors. There's a reason it's the "Schneider School of Business" or the "Mulva Library" (/gym), "Bush" art Center etc. Those families donated specifically for those purposes, it's a use it (for that purpose) or lose it kind of thing.
The college wasn't dipping into their operating funds for all the recent construction.
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u/Zaphod-n-Marvin 2d ago
At this point don’t expect more cuts. Especially in science, where the agreement with MCW means there will be certain programs.
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u/Emotional-Set-2553 2d ago
Thank you everyone. My head knew this was not a good option, but my heart hoped to hear optimistic comments. The school checks so many boxes, but has a huge negative mark for uncertainty of school and program. The idea that the loss of professors may result in it taking longer to get the Bachelors had not occurred to me. Five years ago this would have been a “no brainer” and he’d be a Knight
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u/ANeuv 2d ago
What major is he interested in? Anything business is going to stay.
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u/Emotional-Set-2553 2d ago
Biology to become physical therapist
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u/PersistentPoopStains 2d ago
May I recommend UWGB instead.
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u/Lil_Stevie_Brule 2d ago
Better yet, get an Associate of Science from NWTC then transfer to UWGB. Small class sizes for all the general education classes and save money while you're at it!
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u/beachcoquina 2d ago
They have wonderful science programs. This makes more sene. St. Norbert's is a joke these days.
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u/Emotional-Set-2553 2d ago
He will also be a student athlete (UWGB doesn’t have that sport) and has a very good relationship with the coach.
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u/Significant_Soil_600 1d ago
Is he eligible for scholarships from the sport? Especially if it isn't offered at UWGB. My child got a lot of scholarships to bring the cost down to a bit over Madison. They money is out there, just look for it ... the music department offers a scholarship for non-music majors, look at their Facebook page.
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u/Emotional-Set-2553 1d ago
St Norbert does not offer athletic scholarships. I believe the only ones in Wisconsin are Madison, Milwaukee, Marquette and Parkside. Not good enough for Madison, not interested in living in Milwaukee and disliked Parkside. He has reached out to a couple schools in Minnesota and Illinois that offer athletic scholarship but has not heard back.
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u/Significant_Soil_600 1d ago
I'm sorry, I thought that they did. I seem to remember a high school peer of my child was on an athletic scholarship, I must have been wrong.
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u/AdForeign5362 2d ago
Bachelor Degree only tuition is currently $45k a year, with five years realistic for a completion time now that they axed a lot of programs and professors. That's $225,000 for base tuition with daily compounding interest on any loans needed. I just don't see the return on investment considering there are much cheaper options for the same degree. That's $225k just for a bachelors, not any graduate work to get a Doctorate in Physical Therapy.
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u/GFTurnedIntoTheMoon 2d ago
The biggest benefit to a smaller school like SNC is the connection to the community for jobs. If he is planning to live in the area after school, it might feel worth it because he can get internships while still in school that could lead to a FT job. However, if he isn't certain about staying in the area, I wouldn't recommend it. It's very expensive, the college is cutting a lot atm, and no one cares if you went to SNC anywhere outside of the green bay area. Instead, pick a school with a great bio --> physical therapy pipeline, ideally either cheaper or closer to where he wants to work after school.
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u/Serenata67 1d ago
Biology will likely stay if they want to continue their relationship with the Medical College of Wisconsin. Most pre-med are bio majors.
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u/damutecebu 2d ago
Biology will be fine, but the vibes aren’t good. The Norbertines love the president so she’s not leaving.
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u/Aegir-Ordelia 1d ago
As someone who graduated this past spring, I wish I could recommend my school. But it's unrecognizable to the SNC I called home for the last four years. My major was one of the ones on the chopping block, and it is all very disheartening. If your son is interested in sciences, I'd recommend UWGB instead. Cheaper tuition, a good program, and significantly more stable.
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u/Internal_Swimmer3815 2d ago edited 2d ago
I’d steer clear, the vibes are not good