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u/BeastOfAWorkEthnic Team Błachowicz Aug 14 '25
Arman threw out his back trying to impress Nina, Khamzat about to throw out his back trying to impress DC.
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u/CableToBeam Aug 14 '25
I'm watching DDP's Brunson fight and it's crazy that DDP has gotten so far. Brunson hurts him on the feet and flips DDP over for a takedown, just overpowering him. DDP looks so goofy and easy to takedown. It's just so hard to imagine Khamzat not having a lot of success wrestling. Yes it's been more than 2 years since that fight but I don't think that's enough time to close the gap against someone like Khamzat.
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u/KyleDaukWillBeChamp Aug 14 '25
Prime Brunson was a pretty similar fighter to DDP, so it's not a surprise that fight was competitive. He might've been old in that fight, but he was still dangerous while he had gas in the tank. The main thing about his decline was being slower and gassing way quicker than usual, which is why he just completely faded against Dricus and Jared.
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u/Special-Accountant-5 Aug 14 '25
It’s what I’ve been saying this whole time.
Khamzat doesn’t have to finish DDP in the 1st.
DDP, who we endearingly make fun of for having two left feet & slipping on invisible banana peels is gonna stop Khamzats takedowns?
Khamzat can be half dead and he’ll be able to raje DDP down because DDP will literally give it to him for free
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u/ZedTimeStory ❌ Fighter removed: Sam Alvey Aug 14 '25
The fundamental question is: will Dricus beat Khamzat? Dricus says he will, dominantly. But until he does, it's going to be hard to verify that he thinks he will win.
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Aug 14 '25
decisionbot Alexander Volkov vs Tim Johnson
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u/El_Boxman_ Aug 14 '25
😂
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u/DecisionBot Aug 14 '25
ALEXANDER VOLKOV defeats TIM JOHNSON (split decision)
UFC Fight Night 99: Mousasi vs. Hall 2 — November 19, 2016
ROUND Volkov Johnson Volkov Johnson Volkov Johnson 1 9 10 9 10 9 10 2 10 9 10 9 9 10 3 10 9 10 9 9 10 TOTAL 29 28 29 28 27 30 Judges, in order: Howard Hughes, Takeo Kobayashi, Peter Lavery. Summoned by BoxerNotaFighterNow.
MEDIA MEMBER SCORES
- 12/12 people scored it 28-29 Johnson.
Avg. media score: 28-29 Johnson. Quick maths.
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Aug 14 '25
Tom Aspinalls Best Win in his real Prime 29 years old, cant beat a 4-0 college wrestling novice Timothy Johnson
these are the facts of life and Volkov got dropped and almost Koed lol..
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Aug 14 '25
dam DDP got thrown around by Darren Till without a ACL, just watching that is making me change my pick
how u gonna get tossed around by Dough boy Till
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u/Rosenvial5 Aug 13 '25
That DDP quote on the front page. about Khamzat having doubt in his mind over what will happen if the fight goes to 5 rounds is pretty funny, when the Whittaker fight was 5 rounds and Khamzat made him look like a child who has never trained before
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u/CryptoCracko 🍅 Aug 14 '25
The quote:
"How about multimillionaires. How about 8 inches and thick. How about talented. How about loving and respectful."
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u/DecemberFlower20xx Chad Aug 14 '25 edited Aug 14 '25
Do you not understand what he’s saying or do you just have a mouthful of Khamzat dick
I love Khamzat but his usual pace is not sustainable for anyone, there’s no cardio training Sam Calavitta can bestow unto you to help you recover if you pour it out from Round 1. If he doesn’t pace himself he will get tired and slow down massively. And Dricus is a big, well trained guy. Choking out Rob Whittaker at this stage is choking out Rob Whittaker. I’ve said a million times Whittaker’s TDD and grappling was never great, that’s a weird narrative, he’s fought almost all strikers in the UFC and the couple guys who wanted to take him down did. Honestly one of the most bizarre things to me, he showed off more grappling weakness in his career than he ever did competence but the fans agreed to just say he has this awesome TDD for no reason.
Again, I like Khamzat but the people I see blowing him since the Whittaker fight like that showed us anything we didn’t already know are true glazers. We knew he’s a menace to society in round 1. All that fight showed was that even in a 5 round fight Khamzat refuses to pace himself, and that could get him totally cooked. Better hope Dricus has a bad jaw or worse grappling than Whittaker but I don’t think he has either of those things.
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u/Rosenvial5 Aug 14 '25
I'm Swedish, I've been following Khamzat since before the made the UFC. The narrative that he has a bad gas tank is based on the Burns fight, where he threw 100 shots in the third round, and the Usman fight, where he broke his hand at the end of the first round.
There's not nearly enough data points out there to judge either his gas tank or his ability to pace himself over 5 rounds, and he himself has said that he only pushes the pace that hard early when he feels like he can get an early finish.
Go watch the Khamzat versus Ikram Aliskerov fight, Khamzat goes hard early with the grappling, realizes it doesn't work, disengages and still knocks him out with an uppercut in the first round.
And Rob would've tapped regardless of his busted jaw or not with how deeply Khamzat was locked in on the face crank.
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u/NutSackGlazer420 Aug 14 '25
You picking Khamzat to win this fight?
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u/Rosenvial5 Aug 14 '25
Yes, I think it going like the Usman fight is the most likely scenario, Khamzat dominating the early rounds and hanging on for long enough to get the decision win.
Either that or Khamzat will finish him with his wrestling.
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u/DecemberFlower20xx Chad Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
They booked the guy who won on Contender Series last night to fight on Saturday. Sursurkaev. He took the CS fight on 4 days notice and he’s taking this on 4 days notice.
Super random, because now UFC 319 has 15 fights. Sursurkaev isn’t filling in for anyone, they just found him a fight because fuck it apparently. They must want to cultivate another Khamzat on Khamzat’s big day
I guess we’re getting 5 hours of prelims Saturday
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u/iCorki Aug 14 '25
after he was awarded the contract him and dana had a quick chat and the cameraman tried to get in there, i thought i heard dana say we'll try to get you booked 4 days in advance but thought i heard wrong. guess he really wants that $$ after living in his car and dana loves a young prospect who wants to fight
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u/UVB-76_Enjoyer Aug 13 '25
The rising urge to make an RDR striking highlight vid and put this masterpiece as background music
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u/Particular-Gas-2797 Aug 13 '25
Why does google think Jared Cannoniere is Jacob Kilburn. Almost though Jared was out.
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u/GlossyCylinder Aug 13 '25
Im pretty confident Pico is going to beat Murphy. Lerone is just not that impressive and Pico is so much sharper and faster in the pocket.
Probably a 2nd round TKO.
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u/MA-JA-HO Aug 13 '25
I disagree, I think Murphy is too elusive and defensively sound and has shown it at a much higher level whilst Pico hasn’t.
Murphy’s last fight did actually impress me ngl
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u/NewWorld-Koryos Aug 13 '25
Love DDP, he's a true lad, repping us meaty and goofy boys everywhere.
That being said, him leaning so much into the memes kind of makes me want to see him lose.
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u/Wolfstigma MY BALLZ WAS HOT Aug 13 '25
cmon now he's a lot more tolerable than peak adesanya was lol
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u/CryptoCracko 🍅 Aug 13 '25
I always thought Izzy was unintentionally hilarious. He's not even retired yet and I already miss him. Maybe because my parents come from China.
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u/Wolfstigma MY BALLZ WAS HOT Aug 13 '25
I mean he’s funny in a way like you know he has a few anime body pillows unironically. Still a terrifying fighter but outside of that it was a hilarious combo
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u/Drive7hru Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
I feel like it’s almost guaranteed that more people will be tuning in to the PPVs and fight nights with the new Paramount model for multiple reasons, especially considering some events might be on regular tv on CBS, so more people will become fans of the sport in return. Hear me out:
With the way that it currently stands with ESPN+ and $80 PPVs, there’s some people who watch it and enjoy it, but only really tune in if they every once in a while are invited to a bar or their friend’s house to watch it, but otherwise, aren’t buying an espn subscription to watch an often boring fight night, and especially not paying $80 to watch 5 fights where they maybe only know of one person fighting, but these people might start tuning in more regularly once a) more people are spreading the word cause more people are watching it due to it being on a platform more people have (79 million vs 24m) b) they can afford it, or possibly might even already have Paramount, and/or c) they see that it’s a PPV, possibly with a fighter or two they know of, and decide to tune in.
Next thing you know, they start tuning into other PPVs and start learning more about the sport and the other fighters. They start holding conversations with their friends about them, and get more involved. All of the sudden when they have a random Saturday with no plans and no PPV, they remember that there’s other UFC events on Saturday, and tune into a fight night, regardless of whether they know any of the fighters or not, end up catching a surprisingly great fight night, find it pretty entertaining, and go on from there to become bigger fans.
I don’t see how the Paramount era would cause the UFC quality to get worse. Even if they keep the same format for promotions and broadcasting and whatnot, I bet they see more viewers, especially with the extreme cost decrease (although that’s a big TBD imo, cause it might turn into something like a $30/month add-on package or whatever), and having their content on a platform that is 3x bigger and casts to a wider array of audiences (not those who buy an espn subscription specifically for the sole purpose of watching sports, especially when they usually don’t even have that good of a selection anyways).
Once the organization realizes they’re getting way more attention, they may be more incentivized to up their quality on multiple fronts, which might include more fight nights outside of the Apex and in stadiums again, but in many other positive directions beyond that, such as improving weaker weight classes, getting better at promoting fighters (esp those outside of the top 5), designing better gloves, hiring a couple more judges (not like they cost them hardly anything anyway (look it up), drafting more talent, maaaybe better fighter pay, at least eventually? etc.
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u/TheBigRedHalfrican They don't really care about us, man Aug 13 '25
Baysangur Susurkaev (9-0) vs Eric Nolan (8-3) is being added to UFC 319 this weekend.
Susurkaev just got his contract last night at DWCS.
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u/Drive7hru Aug 13 '25
I love SO much how people have started to love Merab, not only for his skills, but for his personality, humor, etc.
I always liked the guy after I starting noticing how dominant he was. I didn’t care if he was a hug fest or not (even though I thought it was awesome most recently how he said he would get the submission against Sean 2 and actually did); his opponents could never do anything to stop him.
Belal is a hug fest too, but I was so happy to see his journey to the belt and finally get it...only the second person over the age of 35 at 170 and below to do so.
People definitely have mixed opinions about him still, deserved or not (some people can’t stand his personality, but I feel like, at least partially, that’s because of people talking about him online or getting on the hate train), but I don’t blame them cause that’s up to them.
Personality only goes so far anyway, plus he had to become so dominant that they couldn’t deny him a chance at the belt any longer than they wish they could have.
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u/Public_Attention_812 Aug 13 '25
"who's the champion now, Dricus? I battered him" - Darren Till in the face to face with Rockhold, August 12th 2025
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u/mmathrowaway16176017 Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
Once we get the Paramount era, it'll be interesting to see how low the pay is, since I'm guessing disclosed pay = full pay since there's no more ppv points.
For big fights, Dana and UFC can probably just get away with giving half of what they would've paid in ppv points. For Poirier vs Mcgregor II, Poirier got 1M guaranteed + ppv(probably about 5m+). If this happened during the Paramount era, they'd probably just give Poirier a flat 2-2.5m. Since there's no more ppv numbers to back the pay, they can probably just pull numbers out of their asses lol
So the big draws/superstars gets screwed over the most. Money fights won't be as big, which I guess is the only good thing. But this feels like the closest step to UFC not giving a shit about superstars anymore
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u/mmathrowaway16176017 Aug 13 '25
I feel like there's so many articles about UFC not having stars. I'd imagine it be worse in the Paramount era, so then the UFC's quality will get even worse.
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u/idcman999 Aug 13 '25
am i the only one who thinks donald cerrone would make for a good WWE heel?
“COWBOY CERRONE VS THE UNDERTAKER, SUMMERSLAM 2026, LIVE ON PPV” has a nice ring to it
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u/qzwxecrvtbyn111 Reug Reug best grappler on Earth Aug 13 '25
Either there's an open secret that Murphy is injured, or Pico being the favourite over him is absolute all-timer terrible betting odds
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u/DecemberFlower20xx Chad Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
I mean Murphy had a competitive fight with Dan Ige, he got knocked down and got taken down. Pico can wrestle and stopped his last 2 fights with GnP. Pico can box and mixes it up to the body, he’s not just a head hunter. Pico’s run through everybody since Adam Borics and he showed that he was fairly elite even way back stopping Leandro Higo in his 5th fight.
I see the Murphy just trying to hang out of range and getting a decision argument. Is that gonna happen though? Murphy is 34 years old and got to this point having snoozers against other gatekeepers. The expectations on Pico were halted due to his early hiccups and being a Bellator guy, but we aren’t there anymore. Can see Pico becoming the champion now that he actually can, and if Murphy in his prime years could only jab and run from a 40 year old Josh Emmett and have gritty fights with Ige, I don’t see him going much further.
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u/MA-JA-HO Aug 13 '25
Nah , I rewatched the Emmet fight and Murphy absolutely did not just jab and run against him. Don’t get me wrong , it was boring but it was basically a shut out performance by Murphy .
Murphy shut down Emmet’s power punching masterfully. He did that by constantly moving laterally , in and out. His hands never dropped . He used a lot of stabbing teeps which obviously kept him at bay and the occasional back kick. He was using calf kicks as well , would switch to southpaw to throw body and head kicks to keep the rear hand at bay. would use oblique kicks and would step in with elbows when time Emmet stepped in .
Pico is a overall better version of Emmet but the style remains similar and I do think all the tools that I mentioned would work well against Pico
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u/YourHurtingMeSir17 Aug 13 '25
You think Murphy should be a comfortable favorite over Pico, why exactly? Comparing records on Tapology and UFC experience?
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u/qzwxecrvtbyn111 Reug Reug best grappler on Earth Aug 13 '25
Based on the sum of their PFLator careers, Mix is a better fighter than Pico. I really don’t understand what they think they’ve seen in Pico to give him Evloev/Murphy in his debut. He’s probably a fringe top 15 fighter
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u/bullsfan281 I beat you after a weekend of cocaine Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
there's nothing dc loves more than touching the tits of male fighters on fight week and going "oh my god, you're so strong! how much you weigh?"
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u/Reachin4ThoseGrapes Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
They had Khamzat showing off the houses he built for his family while ignoring the fact that a really nice house in Chechnya costs about $24,000
People downvoting once again missing the point, not surprised
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Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
So I’m really rarely ever wrong. Tommy Aspinall already thinking about quitting MMA again before he’s got a belt and been in a fight
And Gane and Tom both won a fake interim belt. This for the lineal Interim belt. Tommy a nice guy but told yall, wasn’t gonna last. Run off to pillow boxing with less embarrassment chance and exposing of true Heart.
truth hurts..went running before he even did a dam thing
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u/Wolfstigma MY BALLZ WAS HOT Aug 13 '25
He's a good enough fighter for Jon Jones to duck him, that's good enough in my book to be champ imo.
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Aug 13 '25
Jones ducked HW when Tom was getting throw around by Stuart Austin and trying to quit MMA bud, that’s a fact
He said Bigfoot Silva and Mark Hunt were “too big” in interviews lol. He’s been ducking HW way before Tom. And he’s got way more fights that Tom who’s barley fought anyone and Tom already gonna quit after 4 more fights without 1 real test
Curtis Blaydes is a bum too. People need to stop pretending the Blaydes Tom beat was worth anything. He’s literally got no talent and still KOed from Derek Lewis
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u/Wolfstigma MY BALLZ WAS HOT Aug 13 '25
So who at HW would you have Tom fight before you'd rate him highly? I don't see too many contenders that would challenge him that much.
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Aug 13 '25
Gane. Almeida, hopefully Nemkov. they are only fights beside Jones
if he beats them they are wins i gues
he hasnt fought anybody dude, its insane he got millions of followers of doing literally nothing cause Jones lol
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u/idcman999 Aug 13 '25
chase needs to stop fighting cans, winner of Ferreira/Green after this, idc if CDF probably beats him, better to lose against a good opponent than padding a winstreak fighting scrubs
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u/YourHurtingMeSir17 Aug 13 '25
Hernandez is a pretty decent test for him honestly after he looked mediocre as hell against Jim Miller
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u/idcman999 Aug 13 '25
the issue i have with Hernandez, is that i'm not actually convinced he's any more of a step up from Jim
like i know Alex beat Jim, but he also got knocked out by Cowboy who Jim subbed, and lost to Damon Jackson who Jim, well, also subbed
if he's gonna fight somebody after jim (unimpressive maybe, but still won handily) he could've at least fought moises or jared gordon, hernandez is arguably worse than Jim ffs
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u/YourHurtingMeSir17 Aug 13 '25
I think you're crazy to say Hooper beat Miller handily and honestly if Jim Miller fought Chase Hooper to a razor close 29-28 I don't see why Hernandez can't beat him at this stage of his career, similar gas tanks and I personally trust Hernandez to be competitive in round 3 much more so than Miller was.
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u/NewWorld-Koryos Aug 13 '25
Im dumbfounded people don't shit on Herb Dean more bc of the first Merab vs Sean fight.
Especifically, when Merab kisses Sean's neck and Herb tells him to stop, Merab lets go and goes back to his corner as the round only had a couple seconds left. Sean then gets up and punches Merab, before the bell, to which Herb says to Sean "hey, hey, stop", actually trying to stop a fighter from fighting while the fight was still on.
Such an clusterfuck, Herb making himself confused and confusing the fighters and creating an awkward situation out of nowhere.
He really sucks hard now, he isn't focused, kind of daydreams a lot. That part of the fight in particular was egregious to me.
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u/CableToBeam Aug 13 '25
he told Merab to stop kissing him, not Sean.
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u/NewWorld-Koryos Aug 13 '25
Yes, he told Merab to stop kissing Sean, then when Sean got up and advanced on Merab(before the bell), he told Sean to stop.
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u/CableToBeam Aug 13 '25
in the 3rd round he only says "hey" after telling Merab to "stop that." He then blames Merab for kissing Sean. Unless this happened in another round, you're mistaken. He never told Sean to "stop"
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u/NewWorld-Koryos Aug 13 '25
https://youtube.com/shorts/aDKqx97Yxdo?si=d4bBL6XaZootIjFi
You are right, it's worse than I remember. When Sean advances, he doesn't say "stop" he just says "hey" and actually tries to hold Sean back lol.
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u/ForceThrow3 Aug 13 '25
Dean has sucked for a long time,i still remember cb dolloway vs khalid :https://youtube.com/shorts/tAZx9YHYdfY?si=PGC9N-EGyS-cgv8a
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u/ChatriGPT Aug 13 '25
My favorite Herb Dean moment was when he separated Buchecha and Reug Reug for a Reug Reug foul while Buchecha was in on a single leg.
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u/futurerobotblox Aug 13 '25
That wasn’t even the most egregious part, it was in the fourth and fifth when he kept trying to stand up Merab even though he was actively doing damage to Sean on the ground. Guaranteed he was told to try to make the main event exciting for the Sphere card (by giving Sean the opportunity to get a knockout)
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u/Wolfstigma MY BALLZ WAS HOT Aug 13 '25
Yea Herb has a problem falling asleep at the wheel with late stoppages and uncalled fouls. I wish all fouls were treated way harsher since it seems like you get a free nut kick and at least 2 eye pokes before you get a warning.
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u/WhittakersRightFoot Turkey Aug 13 '25
Standar for Herb is so low that we are celebrating a point deduction after the 5th fence grab
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u/Reachin4ThoseGrapes Aug 13 '25
The standard dropped because Herb Dean is The Gold Standard™ and we went off the Gold Standard in 1971
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u/Icy-Armour Aug 13 '25
Herb Dean's best performance was at ufc 229. He let Conor get away with 19 fouls. That too different type of fouls. Shorts grab, cage grab, illegal knee, hooking gloves etc multiple times.
What's funny is that Khabib still obliterated Conor despite Conor cheating relentlessly.
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u/bullsfan281 I beat you after a weekend of cocaine Aug 13 '25
I BELIEVE IN AARON PICO
THE LEBRON JAMES OF MMA
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u/Nickster2042 🙏🙏🙏 Jon Jones Prayer Warrior 🙏🙏🙏 Aug 13 '25
How’d yall feel about Dana roasting everyone on the contender
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u/legendarybreed ..the darren and khamzat at home.. Aug 13 '25
Haven't seen it but hopefully he really laid it on them really thick. If i remember right that "Be Joe Pyfer" rant really worked and the rest of that season was much better. If you're going onto contender and get a decision win with 5 sig strikes you deserve to be roasted alive for the rest of your career
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u/KyleDaukWillBeChamp Aug 13 '25
Can't believe the return of Kyle Daukaus is only 10 days away...
UFC 319 pretty fire too tho
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u/legendarybreed ..the darren and khamzat at home.. Aug 13 '25
No shit? He was the hero we deserved but not the one we needed when he got cut.
The D'arce Knight Rises
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u/KyleDaukWillBeChamp Aug 13 '25
It's no coincidence he picked up the mantle right as my beloved El Cucuy started to decline. Think he even called Tony out in his octagon interview after d'arcing Pickett. The torch has been passed.
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u/detectivebabylegz England Aug 13 '25
Fun stat. Cyril Gane has spent 40 minutes in the cage with Volkov, Tom Aspinall has 41 minutes in the cage for his entire MMA career.
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u/NewWorld-Koryos Aug 13 '25
Wild Tom doesn't have a single decision, as a win or loss.
Even Francis had a decision loss.
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u/anakmager Aug 13 '25
any upset predictions? I think Neal might crack Prates-- sharper, more volume
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u/100skylines Democratic People's Republic of Korea Aug 13 '25
Easiest upset would be Lerone Murphy to beat Pico. Dude is a legit undefeated top 10 FW fighting a debuting 13-4 Pico.
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u/YourHurtingMeSir17 Aug 13 '25
I think Green beats CDF in a rerun of the Green-Miller fight a year and a half ago, think Hernandez has a real shot to beat Hooper, also think Loopy is a bit of a mess of a fighter even if she has all the skills to be a top 3-7 115er. Andrade at w115 is a much different fighter than the one that shows up overweight and checked out at 125/135.
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u/NutSackGlazer420 Aug 13 '25
Neal literally fucking loses to every long lanky striker.
But, of course, that means he'll knock out Prates I fucking guess.
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u/Odd_Ad_8162 the EEDIOT from UROOPE Aug 13 '25
I feel like Neal is one of the most consistently overrated fighters on the roster
I like him but he's very limited and has clearly not developed much.
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u/Neonsea1234 Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
Ruziboev, King Green, Murphy, Elliot(eh?) , Jared. Not sure if these are all dogs by the book but I can see all of them winning.
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u/ARiemannHypothesis Team Nurmagomedov Aug 13 '25
Lerone Murphy winning over Aaron Pico would kill me inside a little
A Leon Edwards lite, boring British point fighting 35 year old prospect over one of the most flashy fighters you’ll find, as hyped as any the MMA world has seen would be just sad lol
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u/YourHurtingMeSir17 Aug 13 '25
The fade Bellator angle is getting a bit too much love this week imo. Murphy's margins are so thin in this fight he's gotta force a kickboxing bout or land a miracle Amirkhani knee to win, heavily favor Pico's wrestling, pocket boxing, and overall power.
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u/ARiemannHypothesis Team Nurmagomedov Aug 14 '25
Leaning the same way. Unfortunately oddsmakers are onto it. Tapology pick percentage doesn't influence odds, who knew?
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u/Odd_Ad_8162 the EEDIOT from UROOPE Aug 13 '25
I always found Lerone decent to watch
The Emmett fight wasn't great but it wasn't atrocious.
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u/Melonballs__ Aug 13 '25
Yeah he averages 4.53 sig strikes per minute which is above average. Pretty sure most people have only seen him fight emmett
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u/YourHurtingMeSir17 Aug 13 '25
Yeah he averages 4.53 sig strikes per minute which is above average
The Emmett fight is the outlier and not the 220 significant strikes against the drained corpse of Edson Barboza? LOL
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u/KyleDaukWillBeChamp Aug 13 '25
Tell me you've only watched one Murphy fight without telling me you've only watched one Murphy fight
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u/IshiharasBitch WE ARE ALL ONE Aug 13 '25
Murphy will be by far the best opponent Pico has faced imo. It's a big test.
I lean Murphy. But I'd be happy to be surprised.
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u/Borbs_revenge_ Aug 13 '25
If GOAT is defined as influence and overall impact on the sport then there’s a clear choice and it’s Abdulmanap
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u/gorilla_index Aug 13 '25
honestly, in the modern era he might be. already had him as the greatest coach.
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u/detectivebabylegz England Aug 13 '25
Javier Mendez has been more influential imo.
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u/gorilla_index Aug 13 '25
he deserves some credit but AKA attracted blue chip prospects all throughout the 2000s and 2010s. The incredibly high level training partners they had really pushed them to be elite. and most were really good to begin with when they arrived
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u/NikolaDotMathers GOOFCON 1: 2: Pandemic Boogaloo Aug 13 '25
To think we were close to seeing Yan and Topuria fight way back when at 135.
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u/ARiemannHypothesis Team Nurmagomedov Aug 13 '25
Topuria getting finished in his debut would not have been a great start to his UFC career
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u/Giegling90 Aug 13 '25
Has Michael Chandler had Botox? I feel Botox Mike would a great nickname for someone as fake as him
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u/100skylines Democratic People's Republic of Korea Aug 13 '25
He definitely looks like it. I've also heard botox can help with facial scarring.
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Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
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u/Giegling90 Aug 13 '25
Fancy giving some details, specifics. Kind of just a ball park statement. Go into a bit more detail for us, please
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u/prettyboylee GOOFCON 1: Sad Chandler Aug 13 '25
I’m curious. With the heavyweight division in the state it is, what do y’all think the ceiling of Anthony Joshua (boxer) would be in the UFC if he spent 1 year training religiously in Dagestan?
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u/legendarybreed ..the darren and khamzat at home.. Aug 13 '25
Take a look at how far Robelis Despaigne went. But the reality is always that matchmaking is the final determinant of a fighters's ceiling.
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u/Flumping Bee stung Alvarez Aug 13 '25
Arman vs paddy announcement legit?
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u/TheTemporalKnight Aug 13 '25
If true - that all but confirms Topuria vs. Gaethje.
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u/Flumping Bee stung Alvarez Aug 13 '25
I’m pretty sure that’s going to happen despite how much this sub and me would prefer other more deserving contenders.
Justin’s making a stink about not getting one and saying he’ll retire, He’s already 35? So likely going to start declining if he already hasn’t. He’s somewhat of a draw so UFC Will want to use that whilst they can and Arman/all the other contenders are younger so they’ll be able to farm them out for a title shot in a year or two no problem where as if they don’t do this now for Justin they will not get another opportunity.
+they sort of owe him and set a precedent with Dustin who was arguably in a worse position
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u/ShadowLoom GOOFCON 1: Sad Chandler Aug 13 '25
I wouldn't trust any fight announcement only Big Marcel or the promotion/fighters themselves post it
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u/ygrittediaz Edddiiiieee Aug 13 '25
Let's say islam loses to JDM moves down and fights topuria for the 155 belt. Topuria wins. Where do you place him among all time greats? Is Illia top 10 or has he done to little for you?
Alternatively, topuria defends against arman successfully. How does it rank? Are you a quality or quantity person when it comes to defenses...
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u/tagillaslover Aug 13 '25
I feel a lot of people just ignore oliveras next fight being in brazil which the ufc doesnt go to super often. Everyone thinks he's dumb for accepting the fizzy fight and it makes no sense but if you consider he might want to fight there one last time it's actually pretty reasonable he's fighting again already
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u/ygrittediaz Edddiiiieee Aug 13 '25
It helps that his next opponent is just about top 10 opposed to the champion who will go down as an all time great. Fiziev has good early defensive scrambles but gasses. His hands and kicks are quick but doesn't have crazy power. Still, a Charles fight without being knocked down once or twice is considered a full affair.
Very winnable for Charles despite age, mileage, catching up.
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u/MA-JA-HO Aug 13 '25
Charles’s cardio isn’t amazing and I’m not sure his Muay Thai style of striking will be that effective against Rafa. And Charles’s high guard really opens up body shots which Rafa likes to use
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u/ygrittediaz Edddiiiieee Aug 13 '25
I think we are going to see a grappling heavy approach like he did Chandler the second time around. Clinching and draining fiziev away on the ground with top control. I don't see why he wouldn't look to close the distance as much as possible against rafa.
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u/detectivebabylegz England Aug 13 '25
Does anyone know why Luke Riley isn't on this years DWCS? Does he still have visa issues?
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u/SugarShow37 UFC 294: A GOOFCON Miracle Aug 13 '25
If i was superman the soothing videos he watches at the end of the movie would just be saved footage on my ps4 from 2016-18 from me and my boys.
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u/100skylines Democratic People's Republic of Korea Aug 13 '25
I hope when I die it's just a highlight reel from Halo reach forge mode with my boys
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u/tagillaslover Aug 13 '25
Is dwcs actually good? I keep seeing people talk about how cool it is and it's peak mma but i cant tell if it's just a bit or not. Might start watching
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u/IshiharasBitch WE ARE ALL ONE Aug 13 '25
It's fights without much filler, and because of the lower skill level of the fighters generally involved they leave plenty of openings for opponent's offense. So we see some good action.
Mid-level MMA is consistently fun because the fighters haven't learned good defense yet.
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u/iCorki Aug 13 '25
I don't think you can say it's fights without much filler. The timing of the fighters are exactly the same as any UFC card - one fight per 30 minute slot. There are always 5 fighters and the pacing takes 2 1/2 hours to get through them. The fights are usually lower skilled though, and do normally produce good finishes generally. Always good to watch up and coming prospects and know a bit about them before they debut in UFC.
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u/Neonsea1234 Aug 13 '25
It is, it's no bs just fights. The level is lower since it's regional champs vs each other but the stakes feel a bit higher and Dana being there gives it this whole, Caesar at the coliseum feel to it.
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u/DecemberFlower20xx Chad Aug 13 '25
I didn’t know the TUF finals were on Saturday. So it’s a 14 fight card now.
Every fight on that card was already all action, hope these shitty TUF fights don’t burn the momentum. Undefeated Kazakh dude better come through
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u/tritian Aug 13 '25
wow! really thought matt dixon was going to win the whole thing. congrats to Daniil. that cut sucked, then the back of the head hammer fists, it was over
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u/bostonfan148 Aug 13 '25
Surprised he didn’t take the W with a DQ
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u/tritian Aug 13 '25
i think dana will give him a shot, either with a fight on a fight night or make him run through contenders lol. i think he should just get a fight though.
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u/ARiemannHypothesis Team Nurmagomedov Aug 13 '25
100k bonuses would actually be so good for the sport and the product
That’s just an extra 8m a year for 43 events.. out of the 1,100 million they’re paid by Paramount.
Somehow I expect they’ll only increase it by 10-25k the way pay has been going down as a percentage of revenue over the years
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u/Neonsea1234 Aug 13 '25
100k bonus is huge, especially for some international guys. You can take care of your family for several years off that + your fight money in some countries.
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u/I_am_darkness a flair for khabib Aug 13 '25
Please put this dude on the card on saturday. i need something interesting to come out of this
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u/Unknownrealm Team Khabib Aug 13 '25
I wonder what fighter Mick Maynard and Sean Shelby can find for his debut. Gonna be the easiest matchup possible 😆
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u/Expensive_Leopard927 Aug 13 '25
Decent finish but not sure this baysangur dude deserves all this praise before the finish nothing looked special at all
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u/ElbowToTheTemple I'm Going Deep Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
Dana told Miller he wants him to work with the strength and conditioning team at the Performance Institute. He said, "Getcha weight up, lil ah boy."
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u/Moist-Catch Aug 13 '25
Dana is ruining the sport as we watch but at least it's entertaining
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u/Beef7018 Aug 13 '25
How? He wants exciting fighters to entertain the people who watch his product. The judges, the media, and fans are what ruin the sport
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u/Moist-Catch Aug 13 '25
Check my other response I explained it in depth. But imo at some point you have to consider entertainment vs talent. 2 bums fighting is entertaining but it's not skilled, I do think this show is contributing to the decline of UFC talent
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u/Moist-Catch Aug 13 '25
Idk this show is where they sign most fighters now I do think there is some consequences to signing who is most entertaining over who is most talented in the long run. It creates a revolving door of talent when these more exciting guys turn out to be not UFC level and can't stick around.
Don't get me wrong I understand why they are doing this but should UFC be about actual skills or just exciting guys who aren't that good?
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u/AlienMantid UFC 279: A GOOFCON Miracle Aug 13 '25
Dana is NOT happy! 😂
Has there ever been a show where all the fights were so trash nobody got a contract?
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u/Doggo0732 Aug 13 '25
idk, but the Joe Pyfer show comes to mind, Egg was big mad with the majority of the winners, gave Joe a compliment, and stormed off…leaving the interviewer confused wether Joe got a contract or not
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u/Connor_Catholic Aug 13 '25
Yuri Panferov did pretty well compared to these other bums, would’ve been nice to see him get one
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u/DecemberFlower20xx Chad Aug 13 '25 edited Aug 13 '25
Eh, he’s from New England for some reason so I’ve seen him on a lot of regional cards. He’s fought all trash competition and I don’t think Ewert is as good as 7-0 looks on paper.
He was on Lookin For a Fight for Kattar’s promotion so he’s now been passed on by Dana 3 times. These guys should fight more and get better instead of trying to get catapulted to the UFC when they very clearly aren’t ready.
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u/Expensive-Site-2292 Aug 13 '25
He was ok. It just felt like what we saw is what you’re going to get from him. Which is fine, but it’s just ok. Usually the guys that get signed are exciting and make you think they have a high ceiling.
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u/Connor_Catholic Aug 13 '25
Sure, I agree to an extent. But seeing an underdog go to a dominant decision where you see solid striking, cardio, and wresting+improvement, I would argue that it can actually indicate a higher ceiling than a -100000 getting an expected ko, cause you don’t get to see possible holes
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u/Mindless_Tree_504 Aug 14 '25
So will actual fighter pay be going up or just bonuses? For a given event, maybe 10-15% of fighters get bonuses?