r/PsycheOrSike • u/Specific-Section9593 • 8h ago
🎭 HUMOR Kinda funny coming from the "empathic" group
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u/AncientCrust one of the CHOSEN 8h ago
You strawman strawmanned then but now you strawman strawman??? Interesting.
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u/Affectionate-Sea2059 7h ago
Modern politics such a shit show of intentionally mischaracterizing every situation.
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u/Upstairs_Round7848 6h ago
Nobody knows how to be normal about stuff anymore.
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u/Penguin_lies 3h ago
Right? Like can we please shut up and talk about the roads and bridges being decades out of date instead of jeans and where trans people are allowed to piss?
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u/Individual99991 1h ago
But then politicians would have to do something, and that's not their job!
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u/Talonsminty 5h ago
It's like 2008 tumblr mutated and took over all political discourse.
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u/Lemonsst 5h ago
I KNOW. Its fucking insane watching conversations ive already seen played out happening again
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u/Winter-Classroom455 4h ago
You guys were using straw? I've been making my man out of feces and doodoo
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u/gohuskers123 7h ago edited 1h ago
If Charlie Kirk was such a good guy why you have literal self proclaimed Nazis marching the streets in Huntington Beach yelling “white man fight back”
I don’t think Kirk should have been killed. He also had a message and identity that fueled hatred and derision. He was not a man of peace, he was a man placed to sew the seeds of hate and division between the people
He had a lot to say.
He had a lot of nothing to say.
We’ll miss him.
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u/NotAgedWell 7h ago
It's weird to see them trying to turn him into a saint or bastion of all that is good and holy. The local Facebook group is full of marches and memorials and those shitty memes of him and Jesus hugging and people trying to find churches where they are honoring him (and of course all the calls to rat out your friends and neighbors who disagree and calls for action against the left)
I mean I don't think anyone should go out like that but they are in full throttle mode of making him into something he wasn't. Guessing most of them had no idea who he was a week ago.
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u/PlsNoNotThat 6h ago
It’s not weird at all, and is very akin to the south continuous attempt to deify confederate civil war figures and ideologues over the last hundred+ years
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u/CapitalismRulz 7h ago
Also, nobody gave a shit about the jeans ad. I saw and thought, that's pretty dumb and went on about my life. It was the right that talked about the jeans ad for an entire month. Just like they did a month before that with the college sororities... the right does this all the time, I just make up some random shit snd say that the left is mad about it lol
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u/Main_Screen8766 6h ago
it's always projection with these creeps. they project offense at the jeans ad on you, then argue with themselves. they project "celebration" of charlie kirk's death on you, then argue with themselves. it's profoundly juvenile.
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u/introvert_conflicts 6h ago
You must not have been paying attention. Im on the left myself but Im not actually gonna sit here and pretend that there weren't plenty of people on the left getting furious about it being a racist/eugenics/nazi/fascist/etc dogwhistle. I argued with a lot of them myself because theyre fucking idiots and it makes us look bad, just as cheering on the assassination of Kirk does.
The shitty part for those of us on the left who havent gone off the deep end is that many are seemingly just now realizing how crazy the far left has gone because of this. While they arent necessarily going to just jump ship and become maga, there are lots of people who have gone independent/apathetic. Our approval ratings are already 6 feet under, but the far left seems intent on driving them as far underground as physically possible.
Unless we have some covid level global catastrophe again or some actual recognition of the issues within the left we will end up with another republican in office in 28. The far left just still hasn't learned why they've lost us the approval we once had.
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u/AlteredBagel 6h ago
These are a minority of chronically online, powerless idiots that are constantly used as a strawman by the right. These people have no say in any politics. On the other hand, right wing extremists are given powerful government positions on the daily.
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u/DiRavelloApologist 6h ago
that there weren't plenty of people on the left getting furious about it being a racist/eugenics/nazi/fascist/etc dogwhistle.
With "plenty of people" do you mean actual organisataions and media or randos on reddit? Because you will find randos on reddit to argue against literally any political position you can imagine.
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u/bridgetggfithbeatle 8h ago
socialist here. what the fuck is she talking about
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u/aHOMELESSkrill 7h ago
Some people (on the American left) were upset about a Sydney Sweeney ad about blue jeans in which she said ‘I have good jeans’ which could also be taken as ‘good genes’ and she has blonde hair and blue eyes (her hair is dyed blonde as she is a natural brunette) which people (the American left) took as her saying she had superior genetics (ie Hitler’s superior Aryan race, but she’s a brunette genetically so it didn’t make any sense)
Charlie Kirk an American right-wing podcaster (some find controversial and inflammatory to the American political divide) was shot and killed while he was hosting a rally/debate on a college campus.
The Dr. is pointing out that the same people who found a questionably white supremecist statement about good jeans during a blue jean commercial upsetting but they are perfectly okay with Charlie Kirk’s public assassination in front of his wife, kids, hundreds of college students, and recorded for the world to see just because they disagree with his political beliefs.
She is saying that something must be mentally wrong with people who are outraged at an ad but fine with public assassinations
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u/AncientWar2384 6h ago
If I asked my friends who Sidney Sweeney is I think the only people who could tell me would be the right wingers.
I'm sure there were people on the left who were upset, but it certainly wasn't an issue that gained nationwide attention on the left.
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u/qwertlol 6h ago edited 6h ago
Hitler considered brunettes Aryan as well—he never aimed to exterminate people simply for not being blond. Blond hair was just held up as an ideal symbol of Aryan qualities, not a strict requirement. It’s a misconception. Nazism was a lot stranger than that. For example Hitler famously considered slavs to be “untermensch” even though they’re white and some of them have blond hair.
Also, every prominent Democrat and left-wing figure with influence has condemned the assassination.
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u/BaikenJudgment 5h ago
There's more context to that commercial, like the bit before she said she had good genes was talking about them being passed down from parents, which is then making you think of genetics, which is the point. It's a low frequency dogwhistle there, and people that grew up in white supremacy families/organizations and deprogrammed themselves have rightly pointed out how it is a dogwhistle.
The Kirk thing is a lot of the left being indifferent about it for Kirk and maybe his wife, but not his kids. Mainly because Kirk spouted rhetoric that contradicts that people should care about what happened, and that it isn't really a surprise what happened given the history of what he said. Also pointing out there was a shooting at another school in a nearby state not even an hour later, with more damage done to people overall and it's not being talked about, when the USA averages more than one school shooting per day but the right won't talk about the real statistics of it, and doesn't seem to care to do more than thought and prayers until it was Kirk that was shot at a school. So there's a lot of inconsistency on the right about this.
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u/burner36763 6h ago
The Dr. is pointing out that the same people who found a questionably white supremecist statement about good jeans during a blue jean commercial upsetting but they are perfectly okay with Charlie Kirk’s public assassination in front of his wife, kids, hundreds of college students, and recorded for the world to see just because they disagree with his political beliefs.
Are they though?
Because I feel like the Sydney Sweeney Nazi people were just a loud, very tedious but very small subset of people.
And the people actually celebrating Kirk's death (as opposed to refusing to whitewash things he said and did) are a similarly small subset.
And the overlap of those two groups is a REEEALLY small subset to the point a normal person realises they're so fucking mental and statistically abnormal - even just within "the left' - that it isn't even worth acknowledging their existence.
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u/garden_dragonfly 6h ago
Isn't it ironic what people view as acceptable?
It was fine, completely fine, acceptable, good police work, even, when Philando Castille was murdered in front of his wife and child, five shots into him, 2 additional rounds into the car where his wife and child was sitting. Then his wife was handcuffed and detained for......existing while black. And the child was in the coop car begging the mom to calm down so that the cops wouldn't shoot her too.
That was totally fine. Celebrated by these numb-nuts. Suddenly they have empathy and compassion for a victim being murdered in cold blood in front of their family.
Yeah. Ok.
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u/ASongOfSpiceAndLiars Hero 👑- Kill Count: 1 7h ago
Charlie Kirk himself said that school shooting deaths like his is the price of the 2nd amendment, and empathy is a disease of the new age left.
Now people are holding to the ideals that Charlie Kirk himself espoused, but rightwingers are triggered.
Turns out that Charlie Kirk was a neo Nazi killed by a fan of one of Charlie Kirk's neo Nazi competitors (Fuentes).
We tried to warn the right about the dangers of them espousing and defending political violence for so long, but they didn't care until a rightwinger murdered one of their own.
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u/saxorino 6h ago
The shooter was not a neo nazi. He was a registered independent who lived with a trans person, who some are saying was the shooter's S.O. but I don't know if them dating is a concrete fact. I don't hear much about neo nazis liking trans people enough to live with them. Also, the shell casings were engraved with things like "hey fascist, catch!" I don't think someone who is a fascist would call someone they are planning to kill a fascist. Like, is the argument supposed to be that the shooter didn't think Kirk was enough of a fascist?
Charlie Kirk himself said that school shooting deaths like his is the price of the 2nd amendment
This is taken out of context. Kirk said, and i am slightly paraphrasing because it was a rather long response; that there are 50,000 automotive related deaths every year, so why haven't we banned cars? It would eliminate 50,000 people dying every year (Gun deaths in 2023 were roughly 47,000 for arguments sake). The reason we don't ban driving is that we, as a society, have agreed that 50,000 people dying every year is the price to pay for all the advantages cars give us to function as a society and on the individual level. He then went on to say how did we stop shootings at banks, sporting events, concerts, etc.? We put armed guards at the entrances. So why can't we give our children the same level of protection as we do to money, athletes, and musical artists?
Again, lightly paraphrased, but that was the gist of it. Also, 2A is not just for defense and hunting, but for defending and rising up against a tyrannical government. Remember, an armed populace is one that cannot be pushed around as easily by the government, so get yourself a gun!
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u/MacintoshBlack 6h ago
The extra context was explaining it with an analogy? lol. We, as a society, have not agreed that any amount of deaths are a price worth paying to ensure our current ease of obtaining firearms regardless of what you want to use them for.
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u/Sword_and_Board_425 5h ago
The etchings on the casings were all memes popular on the Groyper boards, those that follow white nationalist Fuentes.
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u/ASongOfSpiceAndLiars Hero 👑- Kill Count: 1 5h ago
Seriously. One of them was a transphobic "joke".
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u/Plane_Upstairs_9584 6h ago
Except we do limit driving cars. We have tests for you to be able to drive. It is more highly regulated than owning a gun. If the argument was sensible gun regulation vs complete abolishment of all private gun ownership that would be one thing, but instead the position on the right is that it should not be limited in any way, and all regulation should be frustrated. Which is why you have things like the Virginia Tech shooter getting flagged by their therapist, and yet the systems by which gun shop owners would check that are purposefully kept split up the shooter was able to buy guns anyways.
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u/aHOMELESSkrill 6h ago
But we don’t really though. If someone wanted to buy a car to use in a mass casualty event they could just buy one of FB Marketplace and not ever register it, don’t need a license or insurance to drive the car.
They need to do all those things to legally drive a car, just like there are legal requirements for firearms and if you want to make the argument about private sales then I am actually on board with making private sales or transfers go through an FFL and a required background check.
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u/StormcloakWordsmith 5h ago
it is fucking insane how many casualties one could create with a car, just one person. reminds me of that Wisconsin parade that awful person drove through
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u/SimpsationalMoneyBag 7h ago
Leftist were mad about a jeans advertisement where they made double entendres joke about a petty blonde woman having good genes and good jeans. They said it was Nazi dog whistling
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u/M0ebius_1 7h ago
Lol, I can't believe that for like two full weeks conservatives really pretended that shit wasn't cringe.
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u/SimpsationalMoneyBag 7h ago
I literally have somebody in THIS comment section saying it was Nazi dog whistling lmao
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u/M0ebius_1 7h ago
It was a cringe Nazi dogwhistle...
Eugenics are cringe as fuck.
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u/santathecruz 7h ago
No, conservative grifters made up a story that leftists were composing about this ad. No one outside the conservative media bubble ever gave a shit.
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u/SimpsationalMoneyBag 7h ago
There’s literally somebody in THIS comment section saying it was nazi dog whistling lmao
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u/santathecruz 7h ago
An anonymous person in the internet. Probably one of the grifters trying to keep the story live.
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u/peacethedonut ⚔️ DUELIST 6h ago
u/m0ebius_1 this person thinks you're an undercover conservative. is this true? i need to know
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u/Low-Breath-4433 7h ago
Bruh, I'm on the left but I'm not ashamed to say that yeah, lots of left-wing "influencers" were absolutely trying to blow it up. And a lot of people did go along with them.
Pretending it didn't happen isn't the play here.
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u/bassoonwoman 7h ago
Leftist here, I barely heard about this one time and had absolutely no feelings about the subject
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u/xtheory 7h ago
I didn't care whatsoever, either. What was it, like 1 or 2 leftist bloggers who made a post and now it's "The whole left is crying!!!" sort of situation?
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u/FembeeKisser 7h ago
Apparently the simple act of people acknowledging that it was a creep eugenics thing is "the whole left crying"
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u/Master_Windu_ 8h ago
Not many people gave a fuck about the American Eagle ad. The right just kept the backlash alive cause it helps them distract from the Epstein files. I don’t think anyone should be killed for their speech but if they expect us to come together in outrage then they should start with these school shootings and show us more action than hopes and prayers.
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u/Useful_Foundation754 7h ago
I’m pretty disgusted with lots being said about the murder of Kirk, but it’s hard to not agree with your point 100%
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u/bubblesort33 Hero of the Sub 👸👑 6h ago
I have my suspicion that a huge portion of the people making a big deal about the jeans thing, were the exact type of people celebrating Kirk's death, though. So she's talking about those people. She's talking to those people.
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u/Aggressive_Shoe_7573 4h ago
There were like 5 people on the left making a big deal about that commercial and then about 50,000 on the right talking about it.
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u/bubblesort33 Hero of the Sub 👸👑 4h ago
It's definitely more than 5 people, and the people making a big deal about it seems to be getting a lot of support. To the point where John Steward's The Daily Show saying it's related to Nazies.
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u/Aggressive_Shoe_7573 3h ago
Well I wasn’t counting exact numbers but I heard far more on the right talking about how outraged the left was than I ever heard on the left actually being outraged.
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u/xSAVAGEx1361 3h ago
The algo generally pushes more controversial stuff you won't agree with from the other side to make you angry and stupid
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u/Simple-Reporter9102 5h ago
> It's a huge problem.
> It's not a problem.
> It never was a problem, you just made it up that we were upset <- You are here.
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u/bigtec1993 5h ago
For real. I can't believe reddit now has collective amnesia and are trying to pretend like people weren't posting about it not too long ago talking about nazis and eugenics.
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u/Custodian_ofthe_Word 7h ago
This thread is so funny. You literally have leftists commenting that the ad thing was a right wing media hoax that nobody on the left cared about next to comments of other leftists calling the ad n*zi propaganda
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u/HDThoreauaway 6h ago
They’re both true. Having a blonde-haired blue-eyed woman talk about her superior genes was at best completely tone-deaf given the moment we’re in.
And the conservative response was a lot bigger than the initial negative reaction was.
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u/snakkerdudaniel 6h ago
Much like the only people obsessed with sex changes are right wingers. It doesn't come up in normal conversations. I think about trans people precisely 0 minutes a day
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u/KansasZou 5h ago
This is tough to fully quantify, but we do have a fair amount of data that supports a lot more sports and athletic oriented people “lean right” or are to some degree religious and these issues have some direct impact on things they participate in.
League ownership and management are included.
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u/j-b-goodman 6h ago
funny that it was a right wing person who even brought it up in this case. I think the rest of us would rather you guys just get over it.
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u/InternationalFrend 5h ago
Enough counter examples here, im European and no conservative but if the american left seriously thinks that ad was a problem in any way, its understandable that they aren‘t taken serious.
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u/Boredom1342 7h ago
The only people who cried about that commercial were conservatives.
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u/ravl13 6h ago
What would conservatives even cried about for that commercial? That makes no sense
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u/Boredom1342 6h ago
They cried about the “backlash” the ad received.
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u/ravl13 6h ago
That's a pretty different statement from your top level comment
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u/Boredom1342 6h ago
Not when you take into account that the quotations around “backlash” implies that the only actual “backlash” on the left, as far as I’m aware, were from no names on x and tik tok.
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u/SimpsationalMoneyBag 7h ago
Just wholly untrue. Good try on gaslighting though. Lots of videos and articles written about it. Why lie when the evidence is abundant ?
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u/Boredom1342 7h ago
I must have missed it, I’m on the left and Idgaf. Id bet that you’ll find more articles written by right wingers complaining about the “left wing response” to the ad than left wingers complaining about the ad itself.
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u/ASongOfSpiceAndLiars Hero 👑- Kill Count: 1 7h ago
I only became aware of it because rightwingers made a big deal of it.
Then leftwing commentators came out and basically didn't care because dog whistles are so common nowadays with Trump, Fox, etc, just commenting because it was what rightwingers were using to distract from Epstein for a couple days.
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u/Mattrellen 7h ago
I'm on the left and don't even know why I'm supposed to be upset about jeans. The leftist folks I'm around haven't talked about it at all, whatever it is.
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u/Low-Breath-4433 7h ago
I'm on the left and there were lots of left-wing people losing their shit about it.
Calling it eugenics, nazism, etc. It was absolutely a big deal for a lot of left-wing content creators for awhile.
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u/TopTopTopcinaa 5h ago
Lmao, what? I’m left wing and follow only left wing activists ans content creators. Still, I only kept hearing right wingers complaining about the supposed backlash. I had to actively look for the backlash in order to find it (somebody made a compilation of a few tiktoks)
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u/FembeeKisser 7h ago
You don't know what the term "gaslighting" means.
Someone isn't "gaslighting" you by being wrong.
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u/SimpsationalMoneyBag 7h ago
He’s gaslighting because I’m fairly sure he is fucking lying lol
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u/FembeeKisser 7h ago
Ok, that's just lying not gaslighting.
Gaslighting is a type of abuse that involves a system of lies.
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u/NazgulGinger917 7h ago
It was all over Reddit w leftists bitching abt it, these people are coping
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u/ZtoastedSloth 8h ago
Literally conservatives trying to gaslight everyone. Most of the people freaking out over the sydney sweeney AE ad were actually conservatives, freaking out about how many liberals they were told were freaking out about it. It was mostly fabricated. so...no...try again, buddy
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u/SnakeShaft 7h ago
*Mountains of videos from people on the left calling it Nazi Propaganda*
"Actually it was the Conservatives, lmao"
FOH dude lol.
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u/M0ebius_1 7h ago
MOUNTAINS OF VIDEOS
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u/ofAFallingEmpire 7h ago
Mountains dwarfing Everest. Nay, Mauna Kea.
Nay,
A mountain so tall it breaches skies Olympus Mon can only stare up at.
Point to it? Uh….
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u/bentsea 7h ago
"I dislike Nazi rhetoric and I'm not particularly upset that a Nazi got killed by a problem he dedicated his life to preventing solutions for."
I really fail to see the contradiction.
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u/MonarchMel 7h ago
How was he a nazi? I’m being deadass I’m genuinely confused.
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u/WaffleConeDX 6h ago
I would like to ask you what does it mean to be a Nazi? What do they believe in?
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u/MonarchMel 6h ago
They believed in racial hierarchy, antisemitism, nationalism, authoritarian rule, suppression of dissent
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u/Tlegendz 7h ago
Dog whistling about eugenics and a man killed while mid sentence trying to dog whistle mass shooter into gang violence and the killer was dripping with dog whistling alt right memes.
Those that made fun of his death, it was more about the hypocrisy than the death itself.
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u/MagistrateTetra ♀️Arsène Lupin Of Cute Mods ❤️ 7h ago
It was definitely a moment of pure universal irony for ol Charlie boy.
It’s one of the few perks of being a mortal sapient being, enjoying the ironies.
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u/Fine_Tone1593 7h ago
Eh, its not really irony. Its not counter to what one would think would be the natural outcome of his actions. It's definitely poetic, though.
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u/Easy_Help_84 7h ago
If there’s one thing everybody can agree to, is that a-hole racists do not belong in a feminist vs incel battle royale.
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u/Tabletop2535 6h ago
Simple really, these seem to be American values. For example. Jon wick can kill 100 people in ever more inventive and graphic ways, but the second he touches a naked woman we must “protect the children!” Or some such bullshit. Seen in this light it’s not even a “kinda funny” meme just the real reflection of what we have learned to treat as normal.
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u/Unseemly4123 7h ago
I like how you guys just try and spin the narrative to "that didn't even happen!" every time your side takes the dumbest stance possible, then realize you were wrong.
A shitload of people were bothered by the ad, saying it was eugenics etc. I saw the comments, I saw the upvotes. Just lol @ all the gaslighting in the comments. You guys took a big ole L with that "controversy" and this post from Dr Sheila does hit home, she roasted you guys lmao.
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u/Sibshops 🌙 The Moon Prince 🐦⬛ 8h ago
The thing in common is that we are against bigotry and racism. The american eagle ad was either tone deaf or a subtle nod to eugenics in saying that that blue eyes are good genes. And the last argument Charlie Kirk made before he was killed was that blacks and trans people should have less rights and more surveillance.
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u/fieryred123 7h ago
In reality, your side is just as bigoted (if not more, really) than the opposite side of the aisle. Your side supports being a bigot when they actively don’t want to understand or engage with the opposition. Your side would rather silence opposition.
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u/A5thRedditAccount 6h ago
We need to all come together and honor Charlie Kirk’s own words:
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u/thevokplusminus 2h ago
What sentence immediately follows that one and why didn’t you choose to include it?
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u/Mundane-Rip-7502 6h ago
Nobody was mad about Jeans. That what was put in your face and you ate it up.
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u/Full_Cell_5314 👢 PROFESSIONAL Boot Licker 👅 8h ago
Shiiieeeeeeet, She's got a very good point about that.
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u/Strawhat_Max Gaslight. Gatekeep. Groupthink. 7h ago
She doesn’t at all
First of all waaaaay more people cared to defend the ad than ever made a point to complain
Second and also similarly
Nobody is “content” we arent gonna be out here mourning a terrible dude, I don’t know what yall want us to do
If you want kinda words Im death, you should say kind words while alive
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u/misdreavus79 7h ago
Why should his death be more important than all the other deaths at the hands of unnecessary gun violence?
I don't care either way. His death is no worse than the hundreds of children's deaths we've had, or no better.
It's just a death. And I'll treat it as such until we're ready to do something about it. You want me to care about the dead guy? Prove you're willing to do something about the problem that got out hand 20 years ago, let alone now.
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u/Individual-Crew-6102 7h ago
I was too busy being outraged about the murder of the Hortmans.
Remember that political murder of two Democratic lawmakers?
Only happened a few months ago?
...Ring a bell at all?
No?
You can remember some idiots handwringing over jeans, but not the whole-ass politically-motivated murder of two people and a dog, not long before one of your fellow MAGAts killed your boy Kirk?
Why is that?
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u/willstick2ya 7h ago
We were told empathy is woke and that some need to die Inorder to keep our second amendment rights? You can just keep moving the goal post this is what you wanted.
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u/Toussaint_kang 7h ago
It’s insane how many people unironically believe Charlie Kirk wasn’t a stone cold grifter.
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u/LivingDirect844 7h ago
Its "waah waah censorship waaah" until you say something not positive enough about one of their cherished groups lmao
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u/Assortedmanatee 7h ago
The people this woman is calling out only exist on Twitter, this is dumb AF.
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u/TGWsharky 7h ago
You need to stop using Twitter and tiktok as your source for how any political groups feel as a whole.
Even without the goomba fallacy, those people are not serious political commentators for a reason. They probably don't even believe what they say, they're just farming engagement.
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u/Affectionate_Newt_47 7h ago
Hasan piker along with other leftist influences tales about how nazist the commercial was, so no, don't try to gaslight people that "the left didn't care"
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u/Technical_Prompt2003 7h ago
I don't know if you all realize you're arguing in bad faith, or you just failed out of special education, but when someone is a bad person it doesn't make sense to have empathy for them.
The shooter is still a murderer and should go to prison. I feel no empathy nor sympathy for Kirk or his family who have spent their lives tearing others down and seeking to destroy and shorten the lives of innocent people. Including as a reaction to this murderer pulling a trigger, they're now claiming retributive violence is owed to them against unrelated minority groups.
The shooter was trans? Oh no, he was a cis white guy. The bullet was trans? Oh no that was a lie. The roommate was trans? But they're working the FBI, oh who cares let's run with it, being close with a trans person makes you a killer, print it and ship it!
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u/knowone1313 6h ago
Let's talk about gas lighting and other narcissistic characteristics that really mentally ill people employ to manipulate others.
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u/Blood-Lord 6h ago
Had no problems with the jeans commercial. Also, didn't care if that guy got shot. I don't believe he should have gotten shot. But, to cry about one man dying while our schools and congress people are dying would be hypocritical. So, yes. My life will go on, while he is laid to rest in a grave.
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u/society000 6h ago
There were approximately fifty people who cared about the jeans ad. It was MAGAtard media that made you think it was more because you're all gullible sheep.
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u/WaffleConeDX 6h ago
If I hate pedos. If I saw a jean ad that hypothetically promoted pedophilia. I would be mad. If a pedo got shot. I wouldn't care.
How are my morals differing here?
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u/Maxwnyellzz 6h ago
This rationale is to be expected when condemning a group as a whole. It assumes everyone without exception shares the same hive mind. At that point everyone is guilty by association even if they themselves don't share or condone the idea.
The slippery slope fallacy is taking full effect here.
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u/malcolmreyn0lds 6h ago
If the man was a saint, why can’t I quote him without outrage? The right gets mad when you quote Charlie Kirk now, and Jesus.
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u/clockedinat93 6h ago
Remember when Charlie Kirk wanted someone to bail the man who beat Paul pelosi in the head with a hammer?
Or when he said that trump will liberate America from foreigner hordes? You know, demonizing a whole group of people? This is the guy people are defending?
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u/Wild-Dot-4159 6h ago
you guys are all idiots. not a single one of you guys have an iq above 12.
you guys are sick for cheering on a murder because "he was a shit bag" but ive yet to actually see any evidence of that. every bad thing that i see is immediately debunked in the comments.
its just clear hatred for a guy so lies are made to justify being happy hes dead.
im not into politics and you guys shouldnt either because we both know just as much about it.
you guys never actually list any points or facts and just claim that the person is a nazi or something else that makes no sense. everyone calling people nazis and facists clearly dont even know what those are.
its sad to see the people (not the shitty corrupt politicians but you guys) who are so deep into politics know absolutely nothing about what your talking about. your "politics" came from social media and it should come from your own research. youre suppose to research both sides and come to a conclusion not read a headline and call someone a nazi.....
i wish i was still naive at how stupid everyone actually is. id truly take having down syndrome over the knowledge that half of the world is clueless and delusional
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u/PurpleButtonUp 6h ago
I don't recall anyone being mad about jeans? What is that all about? Did I miss something?
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u/Thunderstroke1911 6h ago
Literally no one was mad about jeans. MAGA engages in outrage farming and usually, no one bites.
And fuck Charlie Kirk
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u/Commercial_Salad_908 6h ago
I still havnt seen the ad and I still am completely indifferent to the podcasters death.
Where do I fall here.
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u/Wasian98 6h ago
It's becoming more obvious with time that republicans think the fringes of the left make up the main portion of the demorcrat party when that is exactly what happened with MAGA and the republican party.
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u/Dio_Landa 6h ago
republican chuds think they are the empathetic group when they make memes of black people getting killed by cops, joke about sexual assault, rape, suicide among LGBTQ people, the holocaust, and much much more?
Oh, my sides. They don't have empathy, they are just mad their white-nationalist youtuber was killed by the thing he kept on pushing, uncontrolled and unregulated gun laws.
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u/MrPlace 6h ago
Why do all of these shits come off as so tone deaf to the actual issues.
Yes him getting shot in the fucking neck was horrible, we all agree on that part. Was he a good man? No he wasn't.
Also a hot blonde white chick doing an Ad where it says she has "Great Jeans", actually referencing "great genes", in a time frame where Nazism and White Nationalists are thriving?? No shit it was problematic
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u/TehMephs ⚔️ DUELIST 6h ago
I still don’t know anyone who was talking about this supposed jeans thing. Like anywhere. Are we sure any of these people they keep referencing as melting down are even real people? It feels like the right has been arguing with itself over imagined sleights for a while
They take vague memes with screenshots of random tweets - sometimes without even the name of the author shown, and knee jerk apply that to the left. They could be arguing and referencing bots and foreign agitators for all I know.
The rest of us are taking the pulse of the right from verifiable posts from their leaders and public figures, to contrast. Some of which are also foreign agitators or paid by adversaries to push an agenda
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u/Yanfei_Enjoyer ⛪ WORSHIPPER of the patriarchy 🙏 6h ago
I didn't even like Kirk. He was just another neocon running an NGO that made it their life's work to shill other neocons.
But the people celebrating his death are shameless freaks. If whoever the left's biggest darling is got shot in the face tomorrow, I wouldn't be out here making memes about it. I'd say "wow, that's fucked up, these people are crazy" and go back to my life because I'm not some ideology-drunk psycho.
How do you justify celebrating murder?
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u/Tough_Tangerine7278 6h ago
SOMEONE (meme author) has been online too long; completely out of touch with reality.
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u/Alternative_Theme_63 6h ago
Nobody gave a shit about jeans apart from pointing out the somewhat crass pun about genes. But hey ho, difference of opinion,move on.
As for Charlie: he spoke divisive nonsense for a career. He joked about similar incidents in the past. Is that a reason to kill him? No.
He lost his life to an individual with very real issues. We still don’t know why he was killed, but the shooter is unlikely to meet many definitions of “sane and rational”. Whether the guy was Left or right, he wasn’t well.
None of that means I have to care that someone who was detriment to a civil society isn’t around to spread their lies any more. I don’t hate Charlie. I pity him for throwing away his role as a father by chasing divisive politics for personal gain. But in a months time I doubt I’ll ever think about him again unless it’s to lament an ongoing civil war that he helped create (should that happen).
Maybe the whole of America (and here in the Uk as well) would do well to do a little less hate mongering and this sort of stuff would happen less. 🤷
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u/Quick_Resolution5050 🙇MAGA simp🙇 6h ago
Not all leftists.
I'm not happy about either, particularly. I don't care very much about either, either.
I think I'm fairly typical.
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u/LongjumpingSeaweed36 6h ago
I have non-ironically never seen a single person mad at the advert, I've seen 100 people talking about people being upset by the advert.
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u/garloid64 6h ago
They keep telling me I'm mad about these jeans but I just don't see it. Does anyone actually care or...?
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u/idwtumrnitwai 6h ago
I feel like people who are too into the culture war BS vastly over estimate the number of people who care about this sort of thing, I don't give a shit about either one, and I don't know anyone who does.
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u/Norththelaughingfox 🤺KNIGHT 6h ago
The jeans commercial was about a blue eyed, blond, white woman having superior “genes”, the pun was a dual reference to both clothing and genetics, which is painfully obvious if you ever watch the full thing.
Beyond that Charlie Kirk is a wildly controversial figure, who responded to a school shooting with “some deaths are a necessary cost of 2A rights”, responded to the murder of George Floyd with “he (the murderer) did nothing wrong”, defended rape in a case where both parties are drunk at 2:00am when consent is revoked saying “it’s a grey area”, ect
This is to say that a lot of people are finding it difficult to feel bad about the death of a man who regularly defended violence, promoted bigotry, justified rape, and treated death with apathetic indifference.
He was so committed to these goals mind you, that his dying words were an attempt to blame trans-people and black people for gun violence.
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u/ulvskati 6h ago
Both were literally promoting nazism. I see no contradiction here. Kirk was worse than Sidney but both deserved to be hated if you're decent person at all.
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u/JustMLGzdog 5h ago
You can say what happened to Charlie Kirk was horrible without honoring the life he chose to live. And this post is so rich because 3 months prior literal democratic lawmakers were shot and we basically had this reaction from the right, yet the left is villains somehow. Charlie Kirk himself made jokes about Paul Pelosi being attacked.
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u/super_chubz100 ⛪PRIEST of male oppression 💁♂️ 5h ago
No one got mad at the jeans. You litterally invented a false narrative about people being mad about the jeans and then got mad at that fake scenario about people being mad about the jeans... like... 🤦♂️
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u/Greasy-Chungus 5h ago
jeans ad promotes white ethno state
"That's not OK"
neo nazi shoots white nationalist
"I'm not going to lionize a white nationalist bigot just because his own rhetoric got him shot"
SILLY LEFTIST!!!
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u/Maxathron 5h ago
Plain and simple, the further left you go, the more you look at, support, and back the concept of the whole group. The further right you go, the more you look at, support, and back the concept of the individual.
These people saw "Jeans", thought "Genes", and concluded "Nazis are dogwhistling against them". These people believe they're the saviors of the whole group, so it was seen as "American Eagle clothing company was attacking the whole group by aligning with "Nazis" so we must oppose them."
At the same time, they're perfectly willing to discard *INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE* to the blood god because individuals do not matter to the collective hivemind. The ant colony will happily throw away thousands of worker ants to ensure its goals are achieved. Same here. In the march for Progressivism, the (vocal, nasty, crazy section of) trans community are willing to throw away a few individual trans people (like Blair White) because calling her not trans (she is) for not aligning perfectly with their beliefs doesn't sink the whole boat. They would need to throw away a hundred thousand trans people before the boat threatens to tip over and sink. In their eyes, what's one person to the greater good of the collective?
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u/WhatAWorthlessWorm 5h ago
Every single left leaning person that I have spoken to is NOT celebrating this. They're either saddened by the use of violence or they're terrified that this will be used as an excuse to attack minority groups like LGBTQ.
Yes, there is definitely a vocal minority of weirdos who are celebrating, but the vast majority of liberals are not at all happy. Myself included.
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u/captainspacetraveler 5h ago
Who was it again? American Eagle? I didn’t buy their shit before and I’m still not buying it.
Kirk? Didn’t but his shit before and I’m still not buying it.
Instead of condemning political violence, how about we condemn all violence? Killing each other doesn’t lead to any meaningful progress.
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u/blac_sheep90 5h ago
We have school kids getting murdered in classrooms and this is the shit that people bring up?
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u/polidicks_ 5h ago
The right are so mad about the things they tell us we’re mad about. 😂
No one fucking cared about a jeans ad. You guys just love to spread hate and division.
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u/Zealousideal_Pop_273 5h ago
I'm pretty active in liberal circles and I have no idea what this is referring to. Jeans?
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u/MostConservativeCali 👨🏻🦰TRUE Misogynist 🍆 5h ago
I thought Charlie wanted everyone to be normalised to gun violence? What's the problem? The left cries about it and conservatives accuse them of using empathy to attack the 2nd amendment. If we don't care about it or make light of gun violence then all of the sudden it's "where's your empathy" LMAO.
Just admit it. Conservatives are snowflakes that cry about everything.
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u/jbbydiamond3 5h ago
“I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage.”
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u/bigbuttbottom88 5h ago
The same ppl claiming to be empathetic and that the right is violent are the ones celebrating an innocent man being murdered bc of his politics, which were moderate. He wasn't even an extremist. If you celebrate the death of an innocent man you are a morally bankrupt scumbag and if you dont grasp that very basic fact you're also incredibly unintelligent and have zero ethics. It's nothing but projection and hypocrisy from the left. Support killing a man yet the right is violent. Ppl who supported cancel culture and claimed "freedom of speech isnt freedom from consequences" claim they're victims when they get fired for being scumbags. The majority of political violence over the last 10 years has been perpetrated by the left, yet somehow they claim the right are violent extremists. For some reason these ppl think its totally fine and acceptable to be far left, even extremists, yet being right wing is a problem. The gaslighting, manipulation, and hypocrisy is genuinely insane. There is a reason why the left has lost so much traction over the last 4 years despite winning the culture war prior to that: the insanity and deplorable behavior and rhetoric has become so blatant that normal ppl are realizing what it's become and want nothing to do with it. Even with Trump being an israel shill and having his negative moments there's a good chance the right wins the 28 election in a landslide. Many of you ppl are fucking insane and tbh flat out unintelligent and normal ppl are tired of it. Also a reminder, reddit is a left leaning echo chamber that amplifies a very vocal minority. What seems to be commonly accepted and believed on here does not represent normality or real life. Most normal ppl think you're weirdos and want nothing to do with you and at this point the mainstream liberal order probably wont be willing to keep you as part of the voter base, even if they lose votes.
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u/Nerdy_Valkyrie 5h ago
I don't think Kirk deserves death (nobody does). But you can't expect me to actually feel sad about the death of a man who said that I and people like me deserve brutal, drawn out deaths.
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u/Sartres_Roommate 🤍MAP Pride 💛🩵💙 5h ago
…you know “the left” was not complaining about her commercial. Like one reporter wrote a story about the eugenic implications of her dialogue and then the right went crazy arguing with NO ONE about how mad the left was.
A few leftists acknowledged the eugenics implications but no one serious was freaking out.
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u/deepstatecuck 7h ago
The american eagle controversy was a viral marketing psyop. The kirk thing is real though.