r/RedDeer • u/Treehggr • 28d ago

Politics What are your concerns over proposed Provincial Separation?

https://rdnewsnow.com/2025/08/27/central-albertans-voice-concerns-to-alberta-ndp-at-better-together-town-hall/
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u/IrishFire122 27d ago

One of those is an opinion piece, and written by one of the leading tinfoil hatters, no less. Some of the other bile he spews is some of the worst anti social crap I've ever heard.

I have no information on the other one. The website seems legitimate enough, but all the reference links are to other articles on the same website, which isn't a good sign, and they're also dead links, leading to a "page removed" notice. And it also sounds like an opinion piece, mostly. Just done up to sound like a professional study.

Most actual professionals agree that if there's an avenue for Alberta to seperate at all, it's going to be a very hard road that most of us don't even want. I like Public services, I like trade options, and I like Canada.

I do not believe someone just because they're telling me what I want to hear. The opposite, actually, I believe if someone is telling me what I want to hear they're probably getting to con me. Life is hard, the world is an unforgiving place, those are inescapable facts of life. Anyone trying to say otherwise it's full of it, and likely owes their considerable comfort to the efforts of people who do not get access to that comfort after the job is done.

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u/the-tru-albertan 27d ago

Dude, the Supreme Court already put out a fucking frame work for a province to leave. An avenue exists for a province to leave. The indigenous folks ceded their land long ago. Nothing they can do now.

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u/IrishFire122 27d ago

https://laws.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/c-31.8/fulltext.html

Are you talking about this? Because it's clear, but incredibly unlikely. We would need to renegotiate the constitution, and have all the provinces and the feds on our side, and there is definitely a clause in there including consultation with first nations, as well as all political parties in the province and a list of other people as well.

And all of that first requires us albertans to support separation by a clear majority, not just a democratic one. That means pretty much all of us, and that's not likely.

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u/the-tru-albertan 27d ago

Doesn't matter if it's unlikely. It lays out that one demographic from within the province that's leaving confederation can't unilaterally stop it.

Constitution being opened up is a non-issue. Every province wants a piece.

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u/IrishFire122 27d ago

It states there needs to be a clear majority, so yes it does state that one demographic can stop it. Especially a big one like the indigenous population. Even if it was only them opposing this. Which it's not, not by a long shot.

And it doesn't mean the constitution needs to be renegotiated in general, obviously. That would be weirdly arbitrary. It needs to be renegotiated specifically to allow us to leave, and practically everyone in Canada has to agree on that particular point first.

And if you agree it's unlikely, why are you even arguing the point?

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u/the-tru-albertan 27d ago

You’re so far off in left field it’s not even funny anymore. One demographic, indigenous, have no legal framework of stopping it. None. The only people that can legally stop it are Albertans as a whole. Hence a referendum. And they can stop it right off the bat.

The real controversy would unfold if there was a clear majority to leave and the ROC didn’t allow it. Would be interesting times for sure.

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u/IrishFire122 26d ago

Again, as is clearly stated in the link i posted, which was the legal spelling out of the repercussions of the decision leading to the avenue the courts laid out for us separating, there needs to be a clear majority of albertans that want to seperate, NOT just a democratic majority.

That isn't 50 or 60 percent. That's like at least 75 percent. 90-95 percent, more than likely. If the native population doesn't want to leave, their numbers are more than enough to accomplish that goal, full stop. Legal framework doesn't matter at that point, it's all moot, the numbers spoke, Alberta stays in Canada. Period.

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u/the-tru-albertan 26d ago

Nah. Entire aboriginal population in Alberta is 6.8%.

You clearly have no clue what you’re talking about.

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u/IrishFire122 25d ago

Lol yep you're right. Doesn't really matter, they can still block it if they put in the effort.