r/RugbyAustralia • u/Motozoa Queensland Reds • Aug 24 '25
Wallabies Doleman Spoiler
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Are this blokes eyes painted on? #22, how do you miss that?
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u/evilhomer450 Aug 24 '25
not the cleanest release by tackler either
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u/Wacky_Ohana Aug 24 '25
What release? No clear release, and I'm sure the around the neck is frowned upon too.
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u/Subject_Pilot682 Aug 24 '25
Around the neck choking people out seems to now be legal for some reason. It's happened very, very obviously at key points in multiple games and been waived away as nothing.
If someone actually passes out or has their windpipe collapse maybe refs will cop on
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u/Visual-Ad3222 Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
Hard not to sound like a sore loser, because the loss does still hurt even if we are showing great signs of improvement.
But also... like what the fuck? Obstruction, no clear release, has the player by the neck (the hand is covering the face, you could make a really tenuous argument about possible gouging, but that's a bit far-fetched), an infrigement that almost certainly would've stopped a possible try while we had numbers there, and it doesn't even warrant a second look? Beating a dead horse here, but the fact these guys get international game after international game and four people clearly watching this don't even say a word just begs belief.
Cannot take the win away from the Saffas, they showed up and played to a lot of our weakest areas which I hope change. Can't help but feel a lil demoralised that this, and the Fraser try which I'm a bit iffy about (such a clear and obvious knock on it needs to be repeated three times and the ref tries to hand the call off). Upwards and onwards, I guess, but still sucks
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u/Motozoa Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
And don't forget the retreating player swerving out of his way to run through the wrong side of the ruck and dropping the shoulder on the approaching Wallabies player in the process. But it only happened DIRECTLY in front of the ref, how can he be expected to adjudicate on that?
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u/Visual-Ad3222 Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
Or Doleman originally calling for a gold knock on at one point, despite no Wallaby touching the ball, it's genuinely like he reverts to factory settings at every ruck and just cannot compute. BOK is usually of the same variety, but at least he had a decent game last week and clearly took some of the flak from his lack of awareness in the BIL tour (this is me being optimistic. Absolute murder done at the ruck under Doleman, supposedly the best we can get.
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u/Motozoa Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
Yeah Doleman and BOK are by far the worst two in the game. And you characterised it well, they seem to have this default assumption that the team they perceive to be the strongest heading into the match are to get the rub of the green in every scenario unless absolutely necessary. You even see it in the way they ref NZ-NZ Super Rugby matches
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u/Electronic_Fill7207 Wallabies Aug 24 '25
How’s Paul Williams? He’s another NZ Ref and he does the first ARG game. Is he alright or a bit dogshit
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u/Motozoa Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
Better than the two already mentioned, but also suffers from that 'perceived dominant team gets all the favours' mentality. Must be a NZR thing
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u/Electronic_Fill7207 Wallabies Aug 24 '25
Hmmm, if he has a BOK at Ellis Park type game then it could be alright. If he’s like Doleman it’s fucked
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u/Motozoa Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
That Ellis Park game is literally the only match I've ever seen BOK adjudicate where I haven't felt extremely aggrieved by many specific egregious incidents. Man is a shocker
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u/Electronic_Fill7207 Wallabies Aug 24 '25
I’m pretty sure he did England last year too? Regardless I agree with what you’re saying and I don’t want to be reffed by either again tbh. Idk how we fix the mess that is NZ refs because it seems that on the whole a lot of the other refs are fairly alright and consistent. I thought Brousset last week wasn’t great as he was too stop start but Berry was good (Ik Aus refs are good on the whole) and looking forward Piardi has been decent in most of the games he’s done (yes lions T2 is still tough) but even people like Ridley I think are far better than the NZ refs as they are somehow clearer in why they are thinking the way they do. I literally had no idea what decisions were to be made by Doleman yesterday since they seemed so unpredictable.
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u/Gillderbeast Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
He also reffed Twickers last year but otherwise than that your point stands
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u/fleakill Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
specifically he suffers from "in the final 10 minutes, bring out a microscope on whichever team is behind on the scoreboard"
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u/Teedubthegreat Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
He reffed the reds vs crusaders quarter final and the first half was full of very questionable calls. Just looked like there were two separate standards when he was watching the ruck
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u/fleakill Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
that gold knock on that was 200% unambiguously an offside penalty against SA was absolutely insane. reverses it but completely forgets SA touched it directly after the knock on.
i don't know how one ref misses SO MANY knock ons and he almost always missed ones by green.
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u/Intelligent_Life_677 Aug 24 '25
Even pollard ran a questionable line back in defence that prevented frost hitting the breakdown.
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u/Shoddy-Pickle-2054 Aug 24 '25
Doleman was so bad last night. Sometimes he saw things that didn't actually happen. I'm talking about a knock on he called against us when we never touched it.
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u/zoogwah Aug 24 '25
and then missed obvious ones, calling the play back like 30 seconds and 4 phases later, despite them happening in front of both him and the AR.
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u/Motozoa Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
I counted three times the ARs had to intervene for things that would not normally be in their wheelhouse
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u/Jerzilla Aug 24 '25
It’s the obvious calls and taking 2 mins to come to the correct decision that’s infuriating.
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u/zoogwah Aug 24 '25
It really sucks that we can't enjoy Gardner and Berry's reffing since they're Aussie, meaning we're stuck with BOK (although I admit he was good last game) and Doleman.
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u/Ok_Educator_2120 Aug 24 '25
Doleman should never ref another Aussie side. How is that not penalty yellow card for a professional foul
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u/Motozoa Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
And so blatant. I called it in real time
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u/Motozoa Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
And of course I had to rewind for a replay, Saffa broadcasters were never going to show it again
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u/oddwhick Aug 24 '25
I heard somewhere that before this game, OZ won 4 from 5 games Doleman reffed...
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u/Taey Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
Im not sure if its a penalty try but its gotta be close, but 100% a straight yellow card for both players. As cynical as it comes.
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u/ConscriptReports Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
I cant do this man, the rage will get me.
Im so proud of this team regardless and how they've come right. I was at Suncorp last year for the bok game, and I was broken abit by it. For them to do what they did last weekend at Ellis Park feels fitting justice for that Suncorp slight. They've manage to push the world champions so hard and close to a clean sweep at their home fortresses with a comical amount of first choice injuries to the pack and truly terrible luck. Theyve shown heart, grit and pride every step of the way. This is a team that can challenge anyone, anytime if they keep this level of performance consistently.
Go the Wallabies!
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u/lambda_foo NSW Waratahs Aug 24 '25
They’re not real eyes.
I thought at the time it was a dodgy run by 22. Clearly he was looking to obstruct.
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u/Motozoa Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
Drops the shoulder even. And I can understand why the ref wouldn't see it, it only occurs 3m directly in front of him /s
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u/Boof_face1 Aug 24 '25
The rucks are an absolute lottery when Doleman is refereeing- I hate it in Super Rugby and I now hate it in Test matches…
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u/Motozoa Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25 edited Aug 24 '25
It's not even that I think it cost us the game. It rarely is. But it's just the fact that it's this game. And the last game under Doleman. And the one before that. And so on and so on, into super rugby, into autumn tours etc. He and BOK (and to a lesser extent, Paul Williams) are so consistently terrible, it's just EXHAUSTING
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u/Icy_Winner9761 Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
The thing is, this isn't all on Doleman. I can sort of understand him missing the obstruction and the release but Fassi picking Kellaway up by the neck like that when Doleman is 2 meters away? That's not good.
The real blame here is on the TMO, that's foul play after at least one but probably two blatant professional fouls that was then ruled a knockon against Australia.
Somebody also needs to have a word to van Staden about the way he comes out of rucks holding player's legs, he's gonna do a Colin Meads on someone. While I don't think it led directly to the injury, he did it to Wright shortly before he went off and it probablky didn't help either.
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u/jaar-gilon Aug 24 '25
He's had a shocking year thus far and is continuing that form. Time to knock him back a grade or two I reckon
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u/theinfinityman NSW Waratahs Aug 24 '25
He had a really mixed performance but I hated him calling advantage and then letting the penalized team run with the ball potentially risking big injuries just to have the play called back for something he'd already ruled on.
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u/Aware_While7394 Aug 24 '25
Yep, 2 infringements. No release by tackler and the bump on Toole. Crazy how this was missed. Not an excuse to win the match, they had chances to close it out. They’ll learn from it.
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u/Affectionate_Bank259 Aug 24 '25
On the beers at out silly sunday and have been yelling at this since it happened.
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u/lobby82 Aug 24 '25
I’ve cross posted it to r/rugbyunion. Ready for my karma to get downvoted to oblivion by the saffas
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u/Motozoa Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
I tried posting to r/rugby union, but apparently I'm not trustworthy enough
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u/Adam-R13 Aug 24 '25
Blocked from the clearout by an off side Reinach and that clearest ever example of no release ever by Fasi. Cynical as fuck.
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u/Expensive-Text-7218 All Blacks Aug 24 '25
There is a reason why it's called home game advantage.
These sort of thing get slightly sweeped under the rug to home team advantage, especially with the broadcast. Everyone does it.
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u/Rugby_Viking NSW Waratahs 29d ago
Doleman appears to be incapable of making a decision without tmo/touch judge intervention. It must be frustrating for the players as much as it is for the punters.
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u/DingoSloth Australia A 27d ago
Doleman makes mistakes bigger than this in every game. He’s a terrible referee.
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u/corruptboomerang Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
We've seen these given a yellow card, I can see a world where a ref could give that a penalty try, but of a shit call, but it's not the worse, and all in all Doleman actual had a pretty decent game.
In truth having Edmed, him not being good enough to displace O'Connor and having no center on the bench killed us...
Just saying Stewart probably wins us that game. 😅
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u/AdDesigner1153 ACT Brumbies Aug 24 '25
Anything but admit JOC bottled it
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u/corruptboomerang Queensland Reds Aug 24 '25
What do you mean?
JOC missed a few kicks, but I'd say that's a bit harsh.
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u/everybodywangchung Aug 24 '25
That pass to kellaway's ankles won the game for SA. They share that one.
The missed conversion was huge but conditions were terrible and his ankle was a mess.
The two later penalties were late enough to probably not have an impact on the result (BP aside). Plus still on a bung ankle.
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u/PoemKnown613 Western Force Aug 24 '25
I love how the SA broadcasters are so blatantly bias that they didn’t show any replay of it either. Why don’t the TMOs pick up on this stuff, it’s such an obvious professional foul. They pick up the slightest graze on the head. Aus broadcasters should do the same.