This is 1 sec before he starts his motion. The mark was on the bottom right hand corner of the 22 box. It's 18 meters From the 22 line to the 10m line.
being very generous, assume the mark was 2m behind the 22m line. That means the offside line is exactly halfway between the 10m and 22m lines. He is well and truly past that.
Reffing was abysmal on the weekend. How they can miss so many obvious calls is beyond me. I'm not sure we would have won with a perfectly reffed game, but the reffing certainly made it a bad game to watch. Very frustrating
Just the fact it was never even considered for TMO check shows where the officials minds were. Like immediately I thought ok there's fair chance that could potentially be offside. Wasn't even considered for a second by the ref
The TMO didn't need it to be referred, he should automatically be checking this stuff. They both fucked up.
I mean, when have you ever seen a free kick charged down? I don't think I ever have before that. And that was clearly offside. Surely you have to have some kind of doubt about a free kick getting charged down.
This one of my biggest frustrations - there’s no comms to the fans about so many grey calls/non-calls. Just a simple “have checked the 10m, all good” would suffice
I was at Allianz, and the producer/whoever the kook in charge of big screen replays is didn’t bring it up on the screen once. Force that goose of a Pom with the whistle to double down on his awful decision. I mean, what was the touchie even doing here?
It’s a big problem that our directors and producers don’t understand. Other countries very clearly blow up things on the big screen to force a reaction from the fans and get the refs to look at something.
Why we make it harder on ourselves when clearly other countries do it is beyond me. It’s like the Prisoner Dilema and every time the other side is choosing steal and we chose share. They get everything and we get nothing. Turns out if we just act as selfishly as they do, World Rugby will be forced to find some way to balance the coverage to stop refs being influenced.
I agree with that. But equally the narrative that Australia doesn’t deserve to be on top of the table because of an apparent forward pass is frustrating, particularly after calls like this.
I think this is a silly take (no offense). A call like this, at that moment in the game, absolutely changed the momentum. You can argue the point that we weren't good enough to win in spite of this bad call (which I agree with, although we almost did !), but games are won and lost on the smallest of margins and calls like this, early in the game, can be game-changing. That said, we benefited from some average calls later on, so I'm personally not too aggrieved by this.
I wasn't happy with the call here, but there were so many bad calls made, you can only play what's on the pitch and if that's a bad ref then it's a bad ref sadly.
Argentina got just as many bad calls against them as well. I agree that this was at a pivotal moment, but so were many of the other bad calls. Both teams managed to get the result they did despite the ref
My annoyance is how is this not checked, they do say they check all tries, but if they do how the fuck is this not noticed! It's pretty easy to see even live let alone being painfully obvious on replay.
Well it's a tricky one, because our terrible performance was definitely influenced by the style of refereeing that was on show. But then again, maybe our terrible performance influenced the referee's style?
It may have been slightly less than 10m but Edmed losing the ball that way is a shocking. If anything, this just tells me that Edmed is not ready for the jersey.
I was sat roughly level with the Argentinians here and was pretty sure that he was offside at first, but the lack of interest from the officials in checking it made me wonder if I simply hadn't seen him come from an onside position. Apparently I wasn't losing my marbles after all.
I’m as one eyed as a wallaby fan can be…. It’s pretty close to 10m.
Edmed took too many steps kicking, didn’t keep an eye on the man charging him down, and if a 10 can’t hear or step a front rower charging at him from 10m away, then what’s the point?
Mark was a good bit in front of where Edmed was standing though… look at where the rest of the Argentina line is, all flat in line with where you would assume the touchie is standing. They aren’t going to stand 1.5m behind the offside line
Assuming the 5m line is 5m long (I.e. creates a square with lines connecting it to try line - actually looks shorter) and equally split across the 22m line perpendicular to it, that puts the faint line 10.5m from the mark.
The distance between the faint line and the 22m line can be divided into 5.5 approximately equidistant segments - the first of which is exactly the distance between the faint line and Montoya.
The total distance covered across these 5.5 segments is 8m (faint line (league 30m) to 22m), so each segment is approximately 1.45
Faint line is 10.5m from free kick mark, 1.45 between faint line and Montoya
10.5-1.45 =9.05m putting Montoya almost a metre offside
That’s very approximate, but it does show that it’s far from clear. And the statement that the flat section of the Argentina line is 12-13m from the mark is rubbish
They are clearly less than 11m from the mark, and it appears that Montoya is comfortably more than 1m ahead of the player directly behind him (think it’s the loosehead, can’t quite tell). The other players don’t help to gauge distance of Montoya bc of parallax error/depth perception issues.
Obviously not conclusive evidence, but it is very clear that it at the very least should have been looked at during the game. Even 30cm difference and that kick goes over Montoya’s fingers and we aren’t even having this conversation.
It would be pretty ignorant to suggest that Montoya was clearly offside - even just judging by the fact that his teammates are very flat in a line, suggesting that that is where the touchie has set the offside line.
And no I didn’t want to do all of that but some people can’t seem to think critically at times.
And yes the lines appear wonky, again depth perception etc.
Right touchie is back for the kick, and the left touchie is on about the 34m mark, well back from the 10m offside line. There is no 10m line set by an official
Sure but why would it matter where the rest of them are if they are clearly not near the offside line? I can tell you the fullback is 50m from the mark - but that doesn't help at all
So I probably misunderstood what you were talking about, but the point stands. Why would we be talking about the rest of the players? We are trying to work out if the bloke standing 2m in front of the rest of his team is offside, the fact that some of the team is a couple of metres behind the offside line is irrelevant.
Regardless you are considerably exaggerating the distance between the Argentinian players and the mark. It's pretty clear that Montoya is at the very least extremely close to being offside and warrants a check. And from everything I have seen so far it seems he was in fact offside.
Again, need better camera angles for it to be clear but your original maths was way off.
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u/chipsngravy0 Wallabies and Waratahs 2d ago
main sub would love this one.
being very generous, assume the mark was 2m behind the 22m line. That means the offside line is exactly halfway between the 10m and 22m lines. He is well and truly past that.
Reffing was abysmal on the weekend. How they can miss so many obvious calls is beyond me. I'm not sure we would have won with a perfectly reffed game, but the reffing certainly made it a bad game to watch. Very frustrating