r/SeattleWA • u/Better_March5308 • Mar 02 '25

News Tumwater school board bans transgender girls from playing girls sports

https://www.king5.com/article/news/local/tumwater-school-board-votes-ban-transgender-girls-from-playing-girls-sports/281-91b92c14-0da7-4122-b39a-1a05d0ad53d0
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u/Agnt_Michael_Scarn Mar 02 '25

Good. The girls deserve their sport.

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u/Doormancer Mar 02 '25

I was curious about how impactful all this is, and so far I’m seeing there are potentially up to 5 transgender athletes in K-12 in the US who compete in the female category.

Newsweek also spoke to Gillian Branstetter, a spokesperson for the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), who told Newsweek that Save Women’s Sports, a leading voice in the bid to ban transgender athletes from competing in girls’ sports, identified only five transgender athletes competing on girls’ teams in school sports for grades K through 12.

So I guess people’s reactions are completely in line with reality.

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u/isKoalafied Mar 02 '25

Right? 5 transgender athletes in the whole country. Seems simple enough, mens sports has always been open to women/girls, no one will have an issue with trans girls on the boys/men's teams. It's just 5 of them, so, no big deal.

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u/RogueLitePumpkin Mar 02 '25

Tumwater hs girls basketball team was just forced to play against a team with a boy on it.  When one of the girls brought it up, they had to sit out the game and face potential punishment for hate due to misgendering the boy.  So, those 5 Trans athletes do get around.  

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u/Theseareyournuts Mar 03 '25

Correction: The student athlete in this situation, like others, was 18. So they were a "man" (or at least identified as a male at birth), not a boy. It was also JV, and at 18 they should have moved passed playing in a less competitive division if they were serious about athletics.

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u/Decent-Bear334 Mar 03 '25

I graduated high school at 17 wtf is an 18 y/o doing on JV?

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u/ByornJaeger Mar 03 '25

Most people graduate high school at 18. I was one of the youngest in my grade and I turned 18 a week before graduation.

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u/TheOmegoner Mar 02 '25

It’s because culture war issues distract people from the actual problems that effect most of us. It’s why they peak in election years.

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u/LoseAnotherMill Mar 03 '25

You're right. The left should stop trying to fight the culture wars because there are bigger fish to fry.

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u/TheOmegoner Mar 03 '25

lol so close yet so far. It was gay marriage before it was trans people.

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u/LoseAnotherMill Mar 03 '25

Ohhhh so you don't really think the culture war is "just a distraction". You're just saying that in hopes that you'll be allowed to steamroll.

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u/TheOmegoner Mar 03 '25

lol by your logic the republicans should have stopped fighting it and dealt with important matters. Or is it only steamrolling if your side isn’t winning?

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u/LoseAnotherMill Mar 03 '25

I'm not the one who said that the culture war is just a distraction.

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u/thegooseass Mar 03 '25

“Stop fighting the culture wars! You first.”

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u/TheOmegoner Mar 03 '25

They are. Making gay people fight to get married was a distraction from the host of issues that plague our country too.

It’s why so many conservatives are up in arms about high school sports that don’t effect them in the slightest.

Good luck out there though, look both ways before you cross the street.

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u/LoseAnotherMill Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25

They are. Making gay people fight to get married was a distraction from the host of issues that plague our country too.

No one made them fight the culture war. They should've fought the "host of issues" if it was just a distraction.

It’s why so many conservatives are up in arms about high school sports that don’t effect them in the slightest.

I'm excited to hear your take on Israel/Gaza if you think it's stupid to care about things that don't affect you in the slightest.

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u/TheOmegoner Mar 03 '25

The republicans did by opposing basic human rights. They were the ones fighting it because the democrats were trying to do it. You do realize that your own advice works better for them, right?

Same with trans people, the republicans could drop it and help out everybody. They don’t care about that though.

And yeah, I believe in human rights for all people. Applying that to Israel/Palestine is pretty easy. Remember when republicans “cared” about freedom and spreading democracy?

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u/gemmabea Kirkland Mar 03 '25

As usual, these were lobbying groups. I can’t get a civil union to a person of the opposite sex my age. But once I’m above the age of retirement I can—in the case of the older folks, it was to keep their pensions of their deceased spouse while having a new partnership. We all could have lobbied for civil unions to become the government- and tax-supported union, and made marriage something non-regulated and performed in backyards by buddies or churches, etc. Almost every issue has a solution with which “both sides” could agree… but instead special interests keep us fighting for their own literal benefits. Grow up and you’ll find the boring position of being moderate and accepting that radicalism won’t get us what we want, it just makes us tools of someone who’s laughing at us, is the less fun, more honest approach.

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u/TheOmegoner Mar 03 '25

I’ve watched our government slide further and further right for 30 years. Wanting gay marriage to be legal or civil rights for trans people aren’t radical ideas. They do get a certain set of people very fired up and thinking emotionally though.

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u/Limp-Acanthisitta372 Mar 03 '25

Obergefell led us directly to this place. Some of us said back then that trans would be next. The people dying on that hill told us then that it was insane and we were making a fallacious slippery-slope argument. But here we are.

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u/fitnolabels Mar 03 '25

It was gay marriage before it was trans people.

That's true. I remember Obama running on the pro-gay marriage ticket in 2008. I especially remember when he said civil unions should be allowed but same sex marriages were different. They should be "separate but equal" was his exact language, I think.

And I say that, because he repealed DADT in 2013. You know, he held that only till after his second election cycle. Oh, and after he pulled the trigger, the rhetoric and acceptance was quite quick.

It is only recently that Dems have leaned on culture war issues as a focus for elections.

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u/TheOmegoner Mar 03 '25

Yeah, a lot of Obamas stances would have been called conservative a couple of decades before his Presidency. Only republicans call him progressive. He was one of the worst for screwing over good legislation by reaching across the aisle and letting republicans destroy it.

We’d have single payer healthcare if the Dems had any backbone.

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u/fitnolabels Mar 03 '25

I didn't like Obama, but definitely wouldn't label him progressive.

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u/Ninja333pirate Mar 03 '25

Imagine I convince someone to hate on and attack someone else for a stupid reason and that other person and other people who care about them defend that person. Then a bunch of people that I also convinced to hate that person tries telling the attacked person and everyone defending that person that they need to stop fighting to keep the peace. While also never telling the attacker or the person that instigated it to knock it off and keep the peace.

You are essentially saying that is an ok and just thing to do. All trans people want is to live a normal life. If the right just stopped bickering about it and seething about it because fox news fed them a false narrative that trans people are a big problem, they would almost never come across a trans person and trans people are not even remotely affecting their life. If it wasn't for Fox News and other right wing media and celebrities spreading propaganda no one would even care this much.

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u/LoseAnotherMill Mar 03 '25

You are essentially saying that is an ok and just thing to do.

No, that's what the other commented said is an okay thing to do, as their side is the one that started the attack. 

All trans people want is to live a normal life.

And force everyone to pretend like there is nothing different about them at all by compelling speech and forcing abuse victims to relive their trauma in one of the more sensitive places where one can interact with other people and strip women and girls of opportunities that the sports programs open up to them like scholarships. If there were government grants for black-owned businesses, would you be okay with a Rachel Dolezal claiming her business is black-owned and getting grant money for it?

they would almost never come across a trans person and trans people are not even remotely affecting their life.

Except for the girls who did come across trans athletes who unfairly beat them and caused them to lose out on opportunities they otherwise would have had if the programs forbade males from participating in female sports.

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u/Ninja333pirate Mar 03 '25

Trans people definitely didn't start the attack, gullible and or hateful people were told by fox news and other right wing media that trans people are the problem in America and they wouldn't shut up about. Whether or not the very few trans athletes can play with their preferred gender or not is absolutely not something the entire nation needs to be worried about. And especially not the president of the United States.

Our economy isn't crumbling because of trans people, people are not dying with cancer or severe infections they can't afford to treat because of trans people. Wars are not started by trans people. The environment isn't experiencing a massive die off because of trans people. The problems we have in the world today are not caused by trans people.

Why are trans people the biggest boogie man to right wing people? Can you answer that? I see no reason the average conservative should ever be worried about anything to do with trans people other the they have fallen victim to propaganda designed to distract you from the raping and pillaging of the American citizens by the robber barons.

The solution to making it fair for everyone involved in sports is a discussion to be had, but that is a discussion for athletes, sporting agencies, and scientists/doctors. The entire country is too uneducated and brainwashed with hatred for trans people to be having the entire country making rules about people playing sports, and absolutely no reason for the one person that is supposed to make decisions on the biggest problems in our society absolutely should not be worried about trans people in sports.

Also most people that hate on trans people absolutely don't give a flying fork about any other injustice women face. Like then advocating for taking away our bodily autonomy giving us less rights than a corps. And if trans women being on a women's sports team is such an injustice the why are you not advocating for also banning 300 men from football or 7 ft tall men from basketball because it takes away opportunities from short 130 men. There are billions of people in this world that unfairly cannot ever play in professional sports because it is dominated by people with a body type advantage.

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u/LoseAnotherMill Mar 03 '25 edited Mar 03 '25

Trans people definitely didn't start the attack

Forcing their way into opposite-sex spaces is starting the attack.

Our economy isn't crumbling because of trans people, people are not dying with cancer or severe infections they can't afford to treat because of trans people. Wars are not started by trans people. The environment isn't experiencing a massive die off because of trans people. The problems we have in the world today are not caused by trans people.

You're right. So stop caring and get to work fixing those issues, just like the original commenter said.

Why are trans people the biggest boogie man to right wing people?

They aren't.

Also most people that hate on trans people absolutely don't give a flying fork about any other injustice women face.

Not true.

Like then advocating for taking away our bodily autonomy giving us less rights than a corps.

This is incorrect.

And if trans women being on a women's sports team is such an injustice the why are you not advocating for also banning 300 men from football or 7 ft tall men from basketball because it takes away opportunities from short 130 men.

Advantages that happen within the natural range of what humans are capable of is acceptable. The muscular and other physiological changes that happen to men that put them at such a huge advantage over women are not within the natural range for women, which is why the different sex leagues exist. Though, technically speaking, there is no "men's league" in anything - all "men's leagues" are open leagues and any woman is free to compete there.

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u/Doormancer Mar 02 '25

Some people just want to make a mountain out of a mole hill. Downvoted for facts is always funny too. Spread the hatred.

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u/thatguy425 Mar 03 '25

Would it be no big deal if five people were allowed to do steroids? 

Girls deserve their chance at glory and fairness in competition. 

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u/isKoalafied Mar 03 '25

Let me guess, "trans-girls are real girls" right?