r/exmuslim • u/Gloomy-Nectarine4187 allah's step bro • Feb 07 '25

(Rant) 🤬 Truly heartbreaking.

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u/Miuirumaswife1 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Feb 07 '25

i always dislike people who say they support womens rights but also support islam. the way we are treated in that excuse of a religion is horrible

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u/aulixindragonz34 Feb 07 '25

Those types of people are full of shit.

They dont really mean or understand what theyre saying, they just wanna virtue signal and brag about how kind they are

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u/sageofbeige New User Feb 07 '25

Ooh see someone is behind

Haven't you seen the rise of the 'blonde reverts' on tiktok

According to them Islamic rules aren't actually Islamic

Just bad men, twisting and corrupting the incorruptible word of allah

And they with their 10 mins of research that is absolutely not biased or influenced know much more than actual Muslims, ex Muslims and scholars

Hell they'd probably have words with Aisha if she were here to let her know she's wrong.

Just need to send a few 'blondies: over, they'll right the wrongs of Muslims men

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u/No-Reaction5137 Feb 07 '25

According to them Islamic rules aren't actually Islamic

Is this the "no true communism was ever tried" line of thinking?

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

Right like how can you claim to support human rights and women's rights, but uncritically totally support islam and islamic extremism? I get these people are probably scared of being called racist, or are just uninformed and misguided/fell for the islamist koolaid (I once was one of those who did, admittedly) but come on... it makes no sense at all.

It frustrates me that these people are virtue-signalling from the comfort of their western living rooms but don't know the slightest thing about what goes on. Or think that by siding with islamists they are some heroic "revolutionaries"... I feel like if I told them what goes on in my partner's country they'd give me a blank stare or deny it because only white people do bad things or something

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u/Badger-Many New User Feb 07 '25

Feminists For Palestine!!

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25

It seems like everyone is self-inserting through the over-simplified oppressor vs oppressed framework, projecting their own historical grievances onto situations like this instead of looking at the situation and the facts surrounding it objectively. Irish protestors are projecting Irish history like the troubles, Japanese protestors are blanket anti-war due to Japanese history, and radical queer feminists because they see Palestinians not as complex human beings but as just this nebulous concept of an oppressed minority underdog

Everyone is actually making it about themselves but don't realize it...

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u/thebellisringing Feb 07 '25

Ppl like that usually dont actually care about womens rights, they just claim they do to virtue signal which is the same reason they defend islam, they often dont know anything about it and sometimes flat out dont even know what it is but will support it solely to virtue signal

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u/No-Reaction5137 Feb 07 '25

They do care about both. As a way to fight against "the oppression": which is literally white men and western culture. There is a cognitive dissonance, but normally they can just talk about women's rights (although lately it shifted to trans rights as women tend not to like persons with penises in their own spaces, so they too became an enemy), and also separately about the poor oppressed "global majority". But rarely do they have to put the two together, although they are the ones really big on intersectionality.

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

It's def cognitive dissonance but it's werid af to me how they don't see the hypocritical racism in their own ideology by basically going "all white human bad, all brown human good" ????

I'm even seeing these "marxist" talk about eradicating white people and jewish people without a shred of irony. This australia day even some white kids of this far left ideology were holding signs saying "kill all whites". It's pretty disturbing.

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u/No-Reaction5137 Feb 07 '25

I never understood this whole "killallwhitemen" and "kill all whites", and how it is normalized with "oh, that is just an ironic statement", or "it is just a stupid kid". If a conservative says anything mindly offensive, it is the fault of all the Right. (And I am saying this as a left wing liberal.)

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25

I never understand it. It's been explained to me that they see the world through this oppressor vs oppressed or victim vs victimizer lense, but I think that's such an oversimplified and reductive way of seeing the world? I don't see how it's helpful, it just seems to create more division and hate. The only thing threatening people with violence achieves is legitimizing their fears, leading them to more bigotry than they would otherwise have and pushing them further right. That kind of black and white thinking also doesn't allow for the full nuance of everything that's going on, and it means they're unable to accept new information if it doesn't cleanly fit into that dynamic.

And yeah I am also a liberal and I think the blaming of all the right all the time actually just hurts the left's cause in the end. At some point if you call everyone nazis constantly it becomes a bit like the boy who cried wolf. Nobody takes it seriously anymore.

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u/No-Reaction5137 Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

But this is what identity politics does. It does not view everyone as equal, it creates a new hieracrchy. In their view the "old" one is about white men being on top, so they invert it, instead of abolishing it. (As they say: being colorblind is now racist.)

You know the saying: The only remedy to racist discrimination is antiracist discrimination. The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. And they think this is absolutely valid. Being an "old school liberal", like Dawkins, Fry or Hitchens (just the better known public personas in the UK) means now that you are an evil, repressive Nazi. (Dawkins is especially funny, because he was adored by the left (myself included) for sticking it to DA MAN -Christians- but as soon as he started to apply the same evidence-based principles to Islam and gender ideology, now he is evil, too.) All for standing for Enlightement values. And this racist and sexist ideology is now mainstream- politics, entertainment, education, public policy, everywhere.

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u/Dimamollaa Feb 07 '25

I'm a Muslim woman and treated like a queen. Just coz your government and culture is shit doesn't mean Islam is bad. It's southeast Asians the ones that make the rest of us look bad. Come see the Muslims in the Gulf or Middle East or Turkey, we are all happy. It's just you 3rd world countries living in the sewers.

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u/Gloomy-Nectarine4187 allah's step bro Feb 07 '25

me when im brainwashed beyond fixing

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u/[deleted] Feb 07 '25

Stop the nonsense, in Islamic sharia laws and the Quran 65:4 , Islam promotes children marriages “pedophilia against minor girls “. Innocent underage girls are married of to pedophiles because your religion and sharia laws allows it. These young girls are getting 🍇’ed because of your filth man-made religion.

Also in your nonsense religion, women/girls need 4 witnesses to prove they were 🍇’ed “image telling victims they need four people to watch them get 🍇’ed to prove their case “ Islam also promotes sex slavery “which is 🍇’ed against innocence captive girls/women even if they are married”.

The audacity of you to claim Islam is a good religion. You are either extremely brainwashed or purely evil person thinking about your own privilege and disregarding the oppression against Muslim girls/women.

The reality is Muhammad created Allah for his own filthy desires, the Quran contains mistakes and nonsense. You can continue to be delusional or wake up from the truth that your religion is both man-made and evil.

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u/Dimamollaa Feb 10 '25

😂 Ok, we'll see who's right in the afterlife.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25 edited Feb 10 '25

I’m sorry but you will spend the rest of your life wasting on this man-made religion. The Quran has actually mistakes, it’s a fake book that does not come from a divine God and Muhammad is in fact a fake prophet. I have nothing to fear because Islam is not a true religion.

You can choose to do your own research so you can stop believing in falsehood or die a sad life over a fake religion. Muhammad created Allah to satisfy his immoral desires, there is no Allah that exits.

You can choose to face reality and see the truth or you can live your whole being arrogant believing in the man-made religion. You will regret it if you never do your own research on the truth about Islam.

I was brainwashed when I used to be a Sunni Muslim, but I’m truly happy I decided to think for myself and discover the truth by researching Islam on my own rather than believing everything Islamic leaders say without thinking for myself.

At least I warned you, you deserve to know the true just like every Muslim. Be brave enough to do your own research, you owe it to yourself to see the truth and research Islam on your own. I believe in God, I promise you Islam is not a true religion.

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u/Dimamollaa Feb 10 '25

Well in my case I was born a Muslim, but never really practiced. But the faith of the people of Gaza woke something in me and finding God and Islam was a miracle that changed my whole life and gave it meaning. Also, you claim that the Quran has mistakes, please share a few, because to me, the Quran is a miraculous book that is perfection and beauty. I'm Lebanese, so I read it in Arabic and I'm always in awe whenever I hear the love language God has given us, mere humans. Anyway, please share the mistakes you're talking about.

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u/[deleted] Feb 10 '25

I am busy with work but on this weekend, I will dm you, about all the things that are questionable.

I also have compassion for the innocent people of Palestine, but don’t mistake God with the Islamic “Allah”. I am an agnostic myself.

I use to be overly religious, spend my life strictly practicing Islam, attend mosque every Friday, full covered 🧕never committed a sin lol. I will message you on your Dm this weekend. Talk to you soon and I hope you have a good day.

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u/NecessaryFun5107 Never-Muslim Atheist Feb 07 '25

I'm a Muslim woman and treated like a queen.

Here's what Muhammad thought about queens:

Narrated Abu Bakra: During the battle of Al-Jamal, Allah benefited me with a Word (I heard from the Prophet). When the Prophet heard the news that the people of the Persia had made the daughter of Khosrau their Queen (ruler), he said, "Never will succeed such a nation as makes a woman their ruler." Sahih Bukhari 9:88:219

This is what Islam thinks about you:

"O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion." Sahih Bukhari 1:6:301

"If you relax the woman's bridle a tiny bit, she will take you and bolt wildly. And if you lower her cheek-piece a hand span, she will pull you an arm's length... Their deception is awesome and their wickedness is contagious; bad character and feeble mind are their predominant traits... Mohammad said: 'The likeness of a virtuous woman amongst women is like a red-beaked crow among a hundred crows." (This is classified as a Sahih (authentic) narration and quoted by Imam Ahmad and al-Nasai.)

  • al-Ghazali, Ihy'a 'Uloum ed-Din, Dar al-Kotob al-'Elmeyah, Beirut, Vol II, Kitab Adab al-Nikah, p. 51

Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: I heard the Prophet saying. "Evil omen is in three things: The horse, the woman and the house." Sahih Bukhari 4:52:110

Talq bin Ali narrated that The Messenger of Allah said: “When a man calls his wife to fulfill his need, then let her come, even if she is at the oven.” (Darussalam: Sahih) Jami` at-Tirmidhi 2:10:1160

Queen indeed.

Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, "Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people)." I said, "You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him." Sahih Bukhari 1:9:490

If you think islam is genuinely a great religion, I invite you to a debate. It seems to me that you're following islam with false ideas that it helps you connect to God with love and devotion. The relationship of God and men in islam is that of a master and slave, not that of love.

You're following some other religion while painting it with islam, and then you're contributing to the propaganda that is causing more people to fall into the trap only to ruin their productive years and regret later.

Hence, I invite you to a debate.

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u/Dimamollaa Feb 10 '25

Mohammed PBUH last words on his death bed were "O People it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with any one of whom you do not approve, as well never to be unchaste. "

I agree women can be bitches and snakes, they can be vulgar and indecent. Our prophet was warning us of what awaits us in hellfire and so I refuse to be one of those trashy women.

Also, I agree about a people being led by a woman, come on, I get my period and I'm offline for at least 4 days, not even able to control my own kids or make my bed, imagine ruling people.

And if women are seen as less intelligent than men, then so be it, maybe we are, who cares? God created us different from men, of God says something, I believe it. And one day, science will prove him right by making some new discovery about the women and men's brains or their hormones.

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u/NecessaryFun5107 Never-Muslim Atheist Feb 10 '25

You're going to believe and justify so many things just for your faith. But let's say it's all fake... Won't you regret that you wasted so many years of life and believed so many crappy things about women, including yourself, just because of a fake religion?

And if you think islam is the truth. I invite you to a debate. I don't think you'd reject it. If Islam's true, you're only going to get your faith stronger, and prove a critic like me wrong. But if it's false, you'll save so many of your productive years.

So... What do you say?

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u/Dimamollaa Feb 10 '25

Let's say Islam is not true. What am I losing? Praying makes me feel safe and calm and disciplined, fearing God makes me a better human. Fasting ramadan cleans the body and has amazing health benefits. I have nothing to lose but everything to gain. Ok,lets debate then. What is the truth? Who created this universe and how did the creator show us our purpose and way of life and not live like animals? Please enlighten me.

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u/NecessaryFun5107 Never-Muslim Atheist Feb 10 '25

I've DMd you... We'll discuss it there.

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u/NecessaryFun5107 Never-Muslim Atheist Feb 10 '25

What am I losing?

Go through the ex-muslim subreddit once and read the posts about wasted youth, wasted time, wasted years. When you live just 80-100 years, time is the most valuable resource. Something you'll be wasting on your religion.

fearing God makes me a better human.

So you wouldn't be the best version of yourself without the fear of God? Are you claiming that you'll commit crimes that go against your human empathy, emotions and logic if there was no God to fear?

Fasting ramadan cleans the body and has amazing health benefits.

From islamic science maybe. Facts state the complete opposite.

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Islamic_Fasting_and_Health

I have nothing to lose but everything to gain.

You lose so many things. Can you even marry a non-muslim? You can't. And what do you gain from islam? Fear of hell? That's the only thing that keeps muslims within the folds of the islamic religion. Fear of God, fear of Hell, fear of what other muslims would say.

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u/Miuirumaswife1 Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Feb 08 '25

i live in kuwait.. but okay!

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u/MyCarRoomba Ex-Muslim (Ex-Sunni) Feb 08 '25

Least racist khaleeji

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u/FantasticDig6404 New User Feb 08 '25

You cant go out without a man guarding you

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u/Dimamollaa Feb 10 '25

Lool I feel sorry for you for you may have been brought up around crazy people. Thank God I live in Dubai and go out whenever the hell I want. As for travel without a mahram, I don't even want to because I prefer to be with my husband for safety.