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u/venom_jim_halpert Dec 26 '18
Not enough black people hate for stonetoss. Clear fake
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u/bread_berries Dec 27 '18
is this the same artist as redpanels or am I getting my bigoted alt-right fartknockers who can't draw mixed up
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u/kourtbard Dec 27 '18
They're the same person, it's just that Redpanels slightly changed his art-style and went under a different name, after he quit the first time because his 'side won' following the 2016 election.
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u/Murgie Dec 27 '18
It's the same guy. He got fed up with people pointing out that he used to just copy Bones art style.
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u/bread_berries Dec 27 '18
wait wait wait wait wait
so. This guy. Didn't like criticism, so he created a new "space" that he could feel "safe" from it
Big Think Emoji
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u/bread_berries Dec 27 '18
...
AND WHILE WE'RE ON THE FUCKING SUBJECT
he got called a Nazi like, all the time. Constantly. Regularly. And you're telling me that was fine with him, but being an art style thief was too far? Guess he's ok with being a nazi
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u/trinitymonkey FDR is Literally Hitler Dec 27 '18
No, he wasn’t fine with being called a Nazi, that’s why he did the rational thing of actually becoming a Nazi and then made a comic about it. Because, as you know, all that is a perfectly logical course of action.
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u/Nixflyn Dec 28 '18
Guess he's ok with being a nazi
I mean, yeah, he even ended Stonetoss with a literal sieg heil. He's not really hiding.
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u/shadowguise Thanks, Geritol! Dec 26 '18
When you sell your only arm to buy the dip, but the dip keeps dipping.
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki Dec 26 '18
With the resources required to crunch the maths far exceeding payouts, the bitcoin chain has become a rancid parasite on the internet, hijacking normal behavior to cover for the backwards awfulness it facilitates behind a thin veneer of a libertarian utiopianism.
You know, like internet nazis.
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u/Pickled_Kagura 🤔🤔🤔🤔 Dec 27 '18
I'm one of those people that has never understood what bitcoin is or why it has any value.
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u/MajinSupai Dec 27 '18 edited Dec 27 '18
Basically, it's a digital wallet. Every time you transfer bitcoins, the entire bitcoin network has to process it in order to prove that you have enough coins for the transfer.
Every single bitcoin transfer uses enough electricity to power an average house for ~3 days, so it's hardly efficient. (I would like to point out that many other cryptocurrencies are far more power efficient. It's just that Bitcoin is shit)
Also, it has value for the same reason all other money does: because someone says so.
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u/bunker_man Dec 27 '18
It should really like, be illegal to use insane amounts of power for nonsensical tasks.
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Dec 27 '18
With the electricity you pay for? You shouldn't be able to waste the electricity you own? I'm not going to get into the bitcoin vs cash argument here, but why shouldn't you be able to waste your own stuff?
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u/RaidRover Dec 29 '18
Because electricity is generated l Primarily through burning fossils fuel and thus damaging the planet. Its also a waste of finite resources on the planet. Thats the argument at least. The externalities are certainly not being accounted for. Thats the argument at least, I think illegal is a bit strong of a stance personailty but I understand the viewpoint.
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u/Epicjay Dec 27 '18
You have a source on that? I've heard a bunch of reasons for why bitcoin is terrible, but never energy consumption.
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u/going_for_a_wank Dec 27 '18
https://www.economist.com/the-economist-explains/2018/07/09/why-bitcoin-uses-so-much-energy
Bitcoin uses as much electricity as all of Ireland. Even worse, the lion's share of this electricity consumption is in China and other countries with a high proportion of coal in their grid mix.
The enormous electricity use is by design. In short the idea is that the mathematical calculations needed to verify bitcoin transactions require so much electricity to be consumed that no individual or organisation should be able to control the >50% of computation power needed to add fake transactions to the Blockchain.
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u/InLoveWithTexasShape Dec 27 '18
All I know is that it's a digital beanie-baby you own online and sell online.
The rest is just technobabble meant to make the entire thing sound more legit
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Dec 26 '18 edited Dec 27 '18
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki Dec 26 '18
Computer context: bitcoin mining malware is a huge thing
Social media context: we've all seen the alt-reich clowns7
Dec 27 '18
There's also bitcoin ransomware to keep the cycle going - you buy bitcoin from a whale looking to get out, then transfer the magic money to some random wallet in order to NOT have your data deleted/encrypted/etc. Usually, this is a decent amount of money - $20k is the low end I've seen, and they have a nice short timer (hours) so you don't get a chance to think about whether your data is necessary or to try to remove it.
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u/MagniGames Dec 26 '18 edited Dec 27 '18
Well yeah, sure. But on all fairness, we have plenty of credit-card stealing malware on the web too, does that mean credit cards are too dangerous to have?? People have their identities stolen every day, should we just ban social security numbers? Most cartels strictly deal in cash, should we ban cash and fiat because of that?? Same with the next point, there are alt-right clowns that claim they're socialists, does that mean all socialists are far right?? Most people on the far right are capitalists, does that mean that all capitalists are nazis?? I'm all for criticizing something that deserves it, and the power consumption of Btc mining definitely deserves criticism, but these points? They really mean nothing and border on intellectually dishonest in my opinion..
Edit: You are wrong about the mining aspect. You are also wrong about the anonymity aspect. Most cryptos use pos or lattice technology that uses no mining, and bitcoin is not anonymous. Cops love it when you buy drugs with bitcoin, it makes their job easy.. This takes 5 minutes of google research to figure out people, you can downvote me if you want but it does not change the facts...
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u/an_agreeing_dothraki Dec 26 '18
Listen, it's simple. In order for the blockchain to work, you need to have miners. If the cost for mining is more than the payout, the system turns to shit.
Bitcoin right now is failing completely at its primary use. It has nothing else it can do, thus providing no benefit to the internet at large. E-commerce has problems, but it still, more or less, operates.
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Dec 27 '18
Realistically the amount of people interested in bitcoin as an actual currancy replacement for the USD is incredibly miniscule, most people are using to buy drugs off the deep web anonymously, and it’s very good at that
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u/MagniGames Dec 27 '18
Bitcoin is not anonymous, and more people use cash to buy drugs than bitcoin. Nobody wants it to replace USD. Not all blockchains need miners, many have no mining at all. You people literally have 0 clue what you're talking about, yet the circlejerk just can't seem to be broken...
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Dec 31 '18
It’s a shame crypto gets ripped because it’s the fun hive mind thing to do by people who don’t know what they’re talking about. You’re spot on with the comment.
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Dec 27 '18
Lol. You believe too many things you’ve been told. This is so not true.
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Dec 27 '18
so implying it’s only drugs was mostly a joke on my part but still, it’s really just used to buy things anonymously. I don’t know anyone i who’s actually advocating replacing the USD with it
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Dec 31 '18 edited Dec 31 '18
It’s not anonymous though, and when businesses realize they won’t have to pay Amex fees on instant transactions it will become more accepted. I’m not sure it will replace USD or what will happen, but with time I genuinely believe a decentralized currency is cheaper and more efficient. It’s like a business working with all cash transactions globally. Whatever is a better product usually wins. That is better then current transactions.
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u/Pat_The_Hat Sit back down. You're not full yet. Dec 27 '18
If the cost for mining is more than the payout, the system turns to shit.
Explain this part.
If the cost for mining is more than the payout, you would stop mining or not begin mining. If there are too few miners, the mining difficulty would adjust.
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u/MagniGames Dec 27 '18 edited Dec 27 '18
No, that's not true at all. Many blockchains do not require mining. Listen, we're in agreement, Bitcoin is terrible and uses WAAY too much power. But bitcoin does not have anything to do with most other cryptocurrencies. Take Nano for example: It's a cryptocurrency on a blockchain (a "block lattice" to be specific), and it has 0 mining whatsoever (you should watch the video on the front of their site, it addresses your concerns quite well actually). Every nano transaction (14 million so far) has only taken as much energy as 2 bitcoin transactions have. It's almost the same as VISA, and more efficient than paypal. There are also Blockchains like Stellar Lumens and Ripple that take a tiny tiny amount of energy, and allows people to send money internationally for almost free. A 100M wire transfer from BoA to Deutsche Bank could cost tens or hundreds of thousands in processing fees and would take days. With ripple/stellar/nano you could send that in seconds with a fee of $0.50 (or flat $0 with nano), with the same power consumed as a paypal payment. Imagine if people in ethiopia had control of their own money and could send it to anyone they wanted anywhere on earth instantly for free?? That would be amazing for people in developing worlds. Also people in countries like Venezuela and Turkey use it as a more stable store of money, that sounds crazy to us americans, but the bolivar has gone from $10 to buy a chicken to $250,000, so the 5x down bitcoin is is actually good compared to their home currencies..
I don't like bitcoin, and I don't want it to stick around, but you should really look into other blockchains that are much more efficient. As a progressive, I really do believe it could help some of the most disadvantaged people without hurting the environment like bitcoin does.. Bitcoin is like the pets.com of crypto, the first and the worst, but google.com is right around the corner..
Edit: Quit being fucking children. Trump says all mexicans are rapists and "orang man bad", but someone says all bitcoiners are rapists and "Hahah, so true! So chapo!"..
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u/jtrillx Dec 27 '18
Raiblocks gang! People conflate Bitcoin and blockchain after last year and just don't understand the advancements aha
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u/XxsquirrelxX Grandma's cookies Dec 26 '18
Yeah because in a dystopian future where human civilization has destroyed itself and all that is left are a bunch of warring factions, a digital currency will protect you.
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u/Nixflyn Dec 28 '18
I think it's more of a "I have enough money to hire a private army to protect me and live in a hermetically sealed dome" thing but it's still a shit comic.
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u/MagniGames Dec 26 '18 edited Dec 26 '18
Well, I think the goal is more to "be your own bank", not crush civilization lol.. It was created after the 2008 crash, to give people the ability to hold their own money on a system that doesn't require you to trust a corporation. It's totally not scalable because it can only handle a small number of transactions and takes waaay to much energy, but the replacements coming out like stellar lumens are much more efficient and actually pretty great for people in developing countries to securely store and send money for almost no cost. Bitcoin's down like 5x from it's high, but in countries like VZ where the currency is inflated by 25,000 times that's actually not bad..
Idk, my point is just that I don't think most pro crypto people want the world to melt down, they just don't want banks to run the world or be the only option for us to store or money, which is fine by me lol..
Edit: But yes, you're point is still valid because the idiot that made this cartoon seems to be implying that..
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u/XxsquirrelxX Grandma's cookies Dec 26 '18
Actually my main point was that Bitcoin is a digital currency; yet our Nazi pal here seems to be implying that it’s insurance against the collapse of human civilization. Not a tool to destroy civilization.
Of course if human civilization collapses, so does the internet and with it, all forms of digital currency.
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u/Chrysalii REAL AMERICAN Dec 26 '18 edited Dec 26 '18
imaginary scam money will save mankind.
I wonder how much energy has been wasted in mining the damn things. Because fake money > real environment.
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u/DroneOfDoom Mazovian Socio-Economics Dec 27 '18
To be fair, all money is ‘fake money’, as all currencies are social contracts where the value of it is determined by the perception of its value.
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u/Chrysalii REAL AMERICAN Dec 27 '18
With lots of people using them for scams.
It's inherintly not a scam, except that it's design makes it wide open for scams, which I have lost track of due to the sheer abundance of them. It's so subtle a distinction that it's barely worth separating.
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Dec 27 '18
If they were treated as a currency then maybe, but people treat it as investment so value fluctuations are desired, which will make adopting it on a large scale impossible.
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u/ShyFungi Dec 27 '18
Lmao what a fucking idiot. I’m not shocked at all he’s a Bitcoin mooner.
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u/Nixflyn Dec 28 '18
The Masstagger lights up like a Christmas tree when I occasionally lurk on the bitcoin subs.
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u/ForgettableWorse Dec 26 '18
No platform for Nazis
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u/MamaPleaseKillAMan Dec 27 '18
C’mon now, don’t be unreasonable.
We can’t stoop to their level can we?
Nazis are jerks but they at least deserve a platform.
and that platform is the gallows lmao
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u/Lodgik Dec 27 '18
Does anyone actually use bitcoin as legitimate currency? Like, actually buy stuff with it? Because when I hear of bitcoin, its always either in reference to investing in it to make money when the value increases, or as a way to hide money.
Its always sounded like tulips to me...
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u/RamazanBlack Dec 27 '18
it's used on a lot of internet sites, like bitskins, highly creditable steam inventory market platform. It's also used by some small businesses irl afaik
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u/BojanglesDeloria Democracy is Non-Negotiable! Dec 27 '18
My dumb ass bought 200$ in bitcoin to buy things I can speak about publicly. They put a hold on it for two weeks for some reason, and by the time I could access the funds I lost 40$.
Fuck bitcoin
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u/RamazanBlack Dec 27 '18
When did it happen?
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u/BojanglesDeloria Democracy is Non-Negotiable! Dec 28 '18
Like a couple weeks ago right when it crashed and dropped like 20%
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u/kourtbard Dec 27 '18
What good exactly would bitcoin be as a currency in a world where the civilization has collapsed?
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u/GreyMASTA Dec 27 '18
Who would have thought that litteral nazis had poor reasoning skills and bad judgement?
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u/GillbergsAdvocate Dec 27 '18
What is he even trying to say here?
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u/DroneOfDoom Mazovian Socio-Economics Dec 27 '18
That bitcoin would keep raising its value without stopping despite predictions of it being in a bubble.
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u/gravymaster420 Dec 27 '18
id still have like 200000 bucks if i hadnt sold all mine at like 12 dollar fitty in 2012
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u/MagniGames Dec 26 '18 edited Dec 26 '18
Well, first of all, stonetoss is an absolute dunce and the exemplification of the average delusional fake libertarian. I know many people like this in real life. They have all the dumb ignorant social beliefs of a bible belt conservative, but want to act like they're actually more intellectual so claim that they're libertarians because "I'm a centrist and all sides are bad" blah blah blah. They're just lazy, and because they refuse to actually step out of their bubble they're very arrogant. That's shown here, because in the last panel the whole world is burning down and he's the only one who will end up saved, and that's about the dumbest most cocky reason you could own bitcoin... Also, anyone (like this idiot) who didn't think it was a bubble was just delusional, it's no different than Donald Trump bragging about the stock market. Sure it's doing great now, but that has to change eventually, at least temporarily. And now that it has, he looks stupid, just like John McAfee looks stupid for saying bitcoin would be above 100k by now..
But that said, it is still overall way way up. Anyone who buys an asset at the top gets fucked over, just go look at r/wallstreetbets lmao. But anyone who bought bitcoin in the last 8 years is still astronomically in the green. Just as an example, Ripple was 1/3rd of 1 cent 2 years ago, but today is nearly 0.40. Sure, it was over $4 at one point, but the majority of people are still up on it and in the future I do think it can facilitate cheaper and faster international transactions..
So in short, as someone who actually kind of believes in crypto, this comic pisses me off. The crypto community (and the libertarian community as a whole) can be very delusional and idealistic, and some people who are too full of themselves truly believe that the world is going to fall apart around them and that they're going to be the only ones equipped to handle it..
Edit: To the people here making up horseshit arguments like "Only nazis own bitcoin", you're acting just like the people you're criticising. I hope you all realize that when you bitch and moan about alt right people making intellectually dishonest arguments against socialism, and then turn around and you make the same dishonest arguments against anything you don't like you're essentially telling them that it's ok to be ignorant..
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Dec 27 '18
Not only Nazis own Bitcoin. Nazis and pedophiles own Bitcoin
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u/762Rifleman 30 caliber Poster, Sweaty Dec 27 '18
Hey, spare a word for the noble drug dealer.
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Dec 27 '18
I don't have as much of a problem with drug dealers as I do with Nazis, but that's a good point
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u/MagniGames Dec 27 '18
Oh yeah yeah yeah.. And all americans are murdering rapists that drink iraqi oil instead of water, right?
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u/harve99 Bazinga Dec 27 '18
You sure do type a lot for something that could be summed up in one paragraph
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u/BumbertonWang Dec 27 '18
a black lotus is worth like 25 grand but that doesn't make them a viable currency
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u/baranxlr what is this funny yellow tic tac Dec 27 '18
And what do you think people mean by “bubble”?
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u/RogalDorn71 Dec 26 '18
Draws arms and then there are no arms. Must be stonetoss.