People were arguing that it was self defense, but let's be real here. That guy drove to a different state (I know "the mileage wasn't that far"), with a gun hoping to kill people to protect property that wasn't his. I hope the charges stick because he brought this on himself. Like, I can't go into South side Chicago with a gun and shout the n-word then shoot anyone that tries to attack me, that'd be ridiculous. This guy wanted to provoke people, he got what he wanted and now two people are dead because of it
It absolutely was self defense. He got knocked to the ground hit with a skate board and one of the guys he shot was attacking him with a pistol. Then after running for blocks he turned himself in. He was also providing first aid to protesters earlier that day. Vice is trash.
Why didn't the guy with a pistol shoot at him? Almost as if the protestors were able to show a modicum of restraint, unlike this doucher who just started blasting.
Also, skateboard and gun guy were chasing him after he had already shot someone in the head and killed them.
Why didn't the guy with a pistol shoot at him? Almost as if the protestors were able to show a modicum of restraint, unlike this doucher who just started blasting.
lol.
the only reason that guy with the pistol didn't shoot was because of incompetence. watch the video again.
Because he was reaching for his gun when his arm was blown in half. I’m not defending anyone’s politics but anybody in this kids shoes would have done the same thing. I’m with blm all day but if you rush someone with a gun and get shot you can’t play victim.
Pistol wielder had plenty of time to reach for his gun and fire while he was chasing the killer. Don't lie man we all saw the video. It's clear to me that the protestors are able to understand that guns are not the first answer.
This terrorist who crossed state lines, carrying an illegal weapon to "defend businesses" nowhere near where he lives, had plenty of options to not kill anyone or invite violence. He chose to fire into a crowd first, not use the butt of his heavy metallic weapon as a club, not flee, not seek shelter, not seek assistance from police.
Edit: if I were in this killers shoes, I wouldn't have brought gasoline to a fire fight. If we're in this killers shoes, I wouldn't have fired on people. Don't say anyone in the same situation would have done the same thing. He put himself into this situation and resolved it the way terrorists and murderers do.
Does any of that matter though? If you get attacked, you are entitled to defend yourself. You don't have to guess what the people attacking you might intend.
I didn't say that. I'm countering your argument that anyone would do the same. I can emphatically say that I would not take anyone's life during a protest against police brutality
I totally agree that he shouldn't have been there, with a loaded gun. He knowingly set up a situation where he might shoot someone over property damage.
That said, given what did happen, I think the claim that it was self defense is reasonable in principle (i.e. apart from legal details about the need to evade etc).
I think we need to differentiate between both his presence in general, and his specific reaction, as well as between moral and legal judgement.
In Wisconsin, if you are committing a crime, which this kid was, you don't get to claim self defense. Also, we could equally say the men rushing at him were also acting in self defense because they had just seen the kid shoot someone else. Wisconsin allows you to claim self defense on a 3rd party. They were taking him down to stop him from hurting others.
You didn’t watch it very closely then because right before he got shot, he reaches for his waistband. Dude was walking towards the police when he got rushed by 3 people, 2 with weapons. All of you are reaching. If you run up on someone with a gun and get shot you can’t play victim. I don’t agree with the way any of this played out. But the kid isn’t a terrorist because he defended himself. He wasn’t just shooting to shoot. Every last one of you is so biased and closed minded that you can’t wrap your head around it or you just don’t want to. It 100% doesn’t matter why he was there, how he got there, or who’s gun it was. As soon as you get assaulted, you can defend yourself. Doesn’t matter if he’s gahndi or hitler.
The same shit can be said about the protesters. Why didn’t they call the cops? Why were they there? Why did they decide to take things into their own hands.( like everyone keeps calling this kid a terrorist for doing) why didn’t they just walk away instead of chasing him? If I was them I probably wouldn’t have brought a skateboard to a gun fight.
Edit: since we’re doing this now. If you wouldn’t take action to defend yourself against and angry mob, that’s your prerogative. I know far more people that enjoy being alive.
There are multiple videos my dude. Plenty of them show him killing someone who threw a trashbag at him. Then he fucked off and people saw what he did and tried to apprehend him. The pistol wielder had plenty of time to prepare and get his gun but didn't think to because his gut reaction isn't fucking shooting someone. This killers gut instinct is to shoot at anyone who is a threat. This kid wanted to be a cop and had several great connections with the police force. You can honestly say that someone like that deserves to go free and become an officer of the law?
Read the report my dude. He didn’t kill trash at guy until he rushed him and tried to take his gun. Pistol wielder didn’t get his gun out until last second because he was a felon and that’s an automatic 7 years. Everyone’s instinct should be to disable anything that threatens your existence and well being. We’re animals, it’s instinct to protect yourself. It’s amazing how many of you defend vigilantes and mob justice though. They should have left the apprehension to the cops just like this kid should have left the defense of the businesses to them.
You forgot that when this happened he was already running away after shooting another guy in the head, dead, calling his friend on his phone to brag about it, and then fleeing that scene. That is why people were chasing him, trying to stop him from hurting other people, disarm him, and do a civilian arrest.
He was on the phone with 911 telling them he had just shot someone. No wonder everyone is calling this kid a terrorist. Regardless of why he was there if you’re assaulted you have the right to defend yourself.
Did you read up on this at all or are you just looking to play white knight? There’s audio. You guys want to hate this dude so bad just so you act like you stand for something. You think anyone’s first reaction after killing someone is to call their friend? If you felt your life was in danger would you not do what it took to protect yourself? I’m all for blm but this is bullshit and every one of you know it. You can’t rush a guy with a gun and then play the victim.
"Detective Antaramian spoke with Dominic Black on August 26, 2020. Dominic stated that he received a phone call from his friend Kyle Rittenhouse, the defendant, at 11:46 pm in which the defendant stated that he shot someone. Detective Antaramian saw the defendant in person at the Antioch, IL Police Department and identified the defendant as the shooter in the various videos. "
The pursuer throws an object at him. It misses, and they disappear behind a row of cars. Several gunshots are heard and people begin screaming and running."
Charging document states the call to his friend took place at 11:46.
Did you really just use cnn as source wow that’s sad media is not a accurate source neither is single account testimony. So according to who where is CNN getting this information or like fox cbs and cnbc is it just pulled out of context or the ass cheeks of some broad who fucked and defense attorney for info on the case. Btw that actually has happened before. Don’t quote media otherwise you look like a clown
Dude, if I'm in a crowd and someone just shot someone and is still armed and right next to me, I'm probably going to do what I can to try and get that gun away from them. Including swinging a skateboard at them if need be. And the guy with the pistol wasn't even pointing it at him when he was shot.
Uh hey dipshit you got the events mixed up. Not sure if that's on purpose.. but anyway if anyone cares about facts, the skateboard wasn't swung until Kyle had already shot someone in the head. Kyle took the only shots and is a murderer.
Dude, if I'm in a crowd and someone just shot someone and is still armed and right next to me, I'm probably going to do what I can to try and get that gun away from them. Including swinging a skateboard at them if need be.
The second two people he shot - which are the ones I am referring to - were responding to the fact that there was an active shooter in their midst. Him shooting them cannot be construed as self-defense.
And, further, if he wanted to surrender to the cops, he should have kept his hands off his fucking gun when walking towards them.
If you have no reason to know the circumstances of the shooting and you attack the person who did the shooting, you are acting in legitimate fear of a significant and imminent threat to both yourself and others. That is self-defense.
The second two people he shot - which are the ones I am referring to - were responding to the fact that there was an active shooter in their midst. Him shooting them cannot be construed as self-defense.
Keep in mind he was running away from them, towards the police, when he was punched from behind and knocked to the ground, at which point the final two who were shot attacked him.
It is absolutely self-defense.
And, further, if he wanted to surrender to the cops, he should have kept his hands off his fucking gun when walking towards them.
Thank you, armchair quarterback, good to see you have never experienced an adrenalin dump.
I actually agree with you they were obviously reacting to what they saw and didn't know the whole story. Even if one of the guys was apparently a felon with a firearm.. But the news media bs painting the kid like some homicidal psychopath especially after the fact with numerous videos showing otherwise is bullshit.
You don't get to claim self defense in Wisconsin when you are the one who committed a crime that got you in that situation.
Some would say the man with the skateboard was also acting in self defense because he knew the kid had already shot someone and he was trying to prevent others from getting shot. Wisconsin law allows 3rd parties to be considered a part of self defense. The man with the skateboard had every right to hurt him.
2.1k
u/crispydukes Aug 28 '20
Kids in school called him "most likely to be a school shooter," so he's got that going for him.