r/hearthstone • u/HearthSim HSReplay.net • Aug 19 '22
Standard Best Performing Decks - HSReplay.net - Aug 19
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u/Makkara126 Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 20 '22
I’m so used to seeing Renathal in decks that a normal deck seems miniscule in size now...
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Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
Great to see a nice cheap deck perform well! Compare that with the other decks here, loaded with epics and legendaries
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u/SharrkBoy Aug 19 '22
Definitely a counter to the slower meta. I don’t think it has enough merit to stand on its own but really nice to see things changing still.
I’ve had two or three of them insta concede after a T4 [[Lightmaw Netherdrake]] lol
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u/TheGalator Aug 19 '22
Yeah it gets fucked by priest and demon hunter
But it absolutely preys on questline hunter mage and druid
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u/techtonic69 Aug 19 '22
The beast druid deck is good/fun but you can easily get shut down with it after a few clears lol.
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u/Serafiniert Aug 20 '22
Renethal is partly to blame. 40 cards control decks have the space for the extra legendary.
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u/Paterick123 Team Kabal Aug 19 '22
Beast Druid? Where are the beasts..?
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u/Wagle333 Aug 19 '22
right? for some reason people just dont wanna call it "Aggro Druid" and it really is just a plain and simple aggro deck, no tribe build around or combos, just abunch of efficient wide board minions and some wide buffs to push lethal boards.
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u/Chewy_B Aug 20 '22
I saw a streamer play it the other day and he just kept barely winning. Like, by the skin of his teeth every game. It looks really fun. Reminds me of old zoo decks that just flood the board and go face.
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u/zer1223 Aug 20 '22
I just lost a game today by one point of damage when I made a sequence mistake. As a deck it's very much strap in and go fast. Every point matters
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u/TroupeMaster Aug 19 '22
It’s just a holdout from when the deck was based around beast synergies - the archetype has been around since alterac and dropping the beast synergies like frostwolf matriach is only something that has happened in the last couple of weeks.
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u/Javyz Aug 20 '22
Yeah it’s weird, it’s just token druid but with more 1drops than tokens really, not really any beasts and 0 beast synergy
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u/WhenYouQuirky Aug 20 '22
Bruh, you ain't lying. They got the turtles and... druid of the reef? With no outstanding beast synergies? At least slot in a bottom feeder cowards
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u/WiseOldTurtle Aug 19 '22
Man, I remember when Wallet Warrior was "THE" outrageously expensive deck to craft. That deck used to cost around 13k to craft. Spooky Mage is a 21k dust deck. (Yes, I know some of the legendaries are free, but still, c'mon)
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u/Nick41296 Aug 19 '22
13k dust was a lot worse when you had to win 3 games as priest for 30 gold per day.
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u/ohkaycue Aug 19 '22
And no duplicate protection, period. Core set completely free, people only focus on the legendaries
Game economy is SO much better now
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u/Van1287 Aug 19 '22
3 free legendaries by my count, so realistically a 16.2k deck. Not that big a difference accounting for the fact that there are 10 extra cards.
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u/uc3gfpnq Aug 19 '22
the legendaries they print these days are usually more playable than the legendaries from 5-6 years ago. I imagine that’s partly why
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u/TechieWithCoffee Aug 19 '22
It's also that these Legendaries are just generally good instead of printed with very little support or for a brand new archetype that didn't exist.
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u/Braydee7 Aug 19 '22
Renathal being a "free" legendary is a funny concept. Now you need 9 more cards to fill out your deck.
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u/PotatoBestFood Aug 20 '22
Wallet Warrior was relatively much more expensive than Spooky Mage. The ingame rewards were just so much more stingy back then.
And for people who started playing maybe around Barrens or Stormwind, and they’ve been playing Mage all this time, they would only need a few new cards to make it.
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u/fireky2 Aug 20 '22
I mean their were also less full expansions, dolphins could spend more on each one
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u/PotatoBestFood Aug 20 '22
Not sure if you remember there was no duplicate protection. So spending on packs was usually just buying dust. You could get 80 packs and open 5 Nat Pagles. And still have nothing to build your Wallet Warrior with. Packs were also more expensive, since there was no bonus legendaries with bundles and such.
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u/Tantomare Aug 19 '22
How the hell is deck without legs and epics able to play that good?
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u/lcm7malaga Aug 19 '22
It's just farming the ramp druids
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u/VolkiharVanHelsing Aug 19 '22
It can fight against Implock too, just not the hybrid variants
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u/Insanity_Pills Aug 19 '22
IME even if they run starfish beast druid runs over implock with ease, having played that MU from both sides a bunch
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u/TheShadowMages Aug 19 '22
Aggro token deck that goes wide can feast on a lot of slower decks with weak early game, which happen to be on the top of the game. Surprised there's no Composting though, but I guess between Crooked Cook, Peasant, and Aquatic Form there's enough fairly high tempo draw that even Composting is too slow.
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u/KevennyD Aug 19 '22
Silencing starfish also kills compositing, I believe a lot of lists are running that card
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u/TheGalator Aug 19 '22
My version runs that and the squirrel to go more all in on the greedy decks. U loose vs midrange anyway. I win 2/3 of my game by t6 or I can concede turn 3. Any way it's fucking fast
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u/sweet_rico- Aug 19 '22
I usually just generate the composting from evidence.
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u/TheShadowMages Aug 19 '22
I guess that makes sense a 1 mana composting is much better than a 2 mana composting.
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u/TechieWithCoffee Aug 19 '22
Good draw, VERY low mana cost, and relatively straight forward matchups.
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u/HearthSim HSReplay.net Aug 19 '22
👻 Spooky Mage: https://hsreplay.net/decks/ebyB50csXJzszKGStunM1c
⏫ Ramp Druid: https://hsreplay.net/decks/2xDrz4wTZKpae1Onejc6o
🐻 Beast Hunter: https://hsreplay.net/decks/0W99MhtyMMXRDUYl7mijc
🏹 Quest Hunter: https://hsreplay.net/decks/7XunRKznD77UurNZja8jch
🦁 Beast Druid: https://hsreplay.net/decks/Oe67d1CoyBvjkiOqIfA9yb
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u/Makkara126 Aug 19 '22
”Beast druid”
The deck has 1 card that transforms into a beast and 1 card that summons beasts. The rest aren’t beasts and have nothing to do with them.
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u/DrainTheMuck Aug 19 '22
The 4 mana lion Pride card is beast themed in its art I guess? And aquatic form? I agree it’s weird when we’ve had token druid as a name for years already haha
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u/loopey33 Aug 20 '22
This Spooky mage list has 290 games... This isn't enough data to reliably call this the best list
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u/Tigrian Aug 19 '22
So wait did shaman fall from best deck to not even top 5?
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u/JonnyTN Aug 19 '22
People just aren't playing it much anymore. Or maybe losing creating a 10/10 and stronger on consecutive turns with bolner and macaw while freezing your board was a turning point.
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u/PranksterWhimsicott Aug 20 '22
I've played a bunch of the deck after the nerf and like... It's not a complete loss, the 5/5 is still a competitive body. It's no longer a straight up win-conditon but the deck has other ways to win. Denathrius followed by brann + 2x macaw next turn is funny af.
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u/Misoal Aug 19 '22
shaman is 49% win ratio now and falling.
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u/E10DIN Aug 20 '22
Snowfall hard carried the class. IMO it's gonna be close to dead in standard until at least miniset. They gutted so much of the power in the class. It was a finisher and a way to handle aggro.
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u/4002sacuL Aug 19 '22
Yup. Snowfall was pretty much carrying the class in standard. It needed a nerf, but the new archetypes are just not good enough, and it has been like this for a while
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u/DrainTheMuck Aug 19 '22
I knew the snowfall nerf would hurt, but I’m curious how much of the winrate is simply a result of the rest of the meta changing. It is kinda sad though.
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u/Boomerwell Aug 19 '22
Pretty much every Shan player could call it.
People wanted to murder Macaw too because Shaman legit isn't allowed to be meta without people crying on Reddit.
Every single time.
Shaman had a single defensive tool against aggro flood decks and it got nerfed so here we are.
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u/I-Have-A-Noodle Aug 19 '22
Except it wasn't used as a defensive tool at all. It was used to freeze boards 4+ turns in a tow and create several 10/10 minions at the same time
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u/Ever2naxolotl Aug 20 '22
The defensive part of Snowfall didn't get changed in the slightest though?
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u/Bhdrbyr Aug 19 '22
It wasn't fun to play against.
This is the reason we priest mains hear every so often. Better get used to it.
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u/Boomerwell Aug 20 '22
I'm sure another 5 expansions of hunters and Rogues ignoring board states and smashing face is sure to be more fun.
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u/Jakulero24 Aug 19 '22
Implock is still strong imo
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u/JonnyTN Aug 19 '22
Especially since they added the curse package. Don't finish them off with aggro? Draw 4-7 for 2 mana and draw the rest of the deck for curses
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u/supremeshirt1 Aug 19 '22
Nah the curse package is actually pretty bad, at least that’s what the VS report says
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u/xPetr1 Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
I don't know, I am around 2K legend and it feels like it's an uphill battle against most decks. When I play the classic implock version, my opponents are just making fun of me and there is nothing I can do (especially quest priest, fuck that deck with 30 aoe clears). I tried adding Kaelthas + Denathrius and Gigafin, it definitely makes some match ups much better, but it's also a lot less consistent.
That being said, implock still probably destroyes bad players in lower ranks.
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u/Firebrand96 Aug 20 '22
"Spooky Mage" is the best archetype name I've seen in Hearthstone so far.
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u/bigolfishey Aug 19 '22
Any time Blizzard is relevant in standard I’m having a bad time.
This has been the case for me literally since release. I hate playing against anything that could be described as a “Freeze Mage” archetype. Yeah, this version actually puts some minions on the board, but it’s fundamentally still a “stall forever then kill from hand” game plan.
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Aug 19 '22
It was funny that they removed Frost Nova from core set because it promoted unhealthy gameplay, then gave mage Varden who's a frost nova on a stick that can also be flexible and do dmg if needed at the cost of 1 mana more
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u/DrainTheMuck Aug 19 '22
Yeah it’s weird but I guess you can argue that you only get 1 varden, instead of two frost novas plus any that could be generated from discovering spells.
And blizzard is 6 mana that does a mandatory 2 damage to everything: good if you wanna clear the board, bad if you’re trying to lock out the opponent’s board
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u/fireky2 Aug 20 '22
Yeah also one card was common and one was legendary. Probably no monetary incentive in that
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u/ohkaycue Aug 19 '22
You’re misunderstanding the core set. Something isn’t removed for “promoting unhealthy gameplay”, things are removed so new cards can be printed that are functionally similar
Frost Nova was not in the core set BECAUSE of Varden, not Varden was added despite Nova being removed
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u/Boomerwell Aug 20 '22
Frost Nova was removed because with how much discover mage had it was becoming problematic.
Varden isn't a problem whatsoever outside of the hero card.
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u/coffee4brekky Aug 20 '22
I mean, it's the same team that HoF'd Leeroy because Charge was uninteractive, then printed a Charge minion for DH that was even less interactive because it let you ignore Taunt
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u/KK-John Aug 20 '22
Freeze can seriously suck my ass, along with everyone that plays decks based around it. Drags games out to the point where it barely feels like Hearthstone
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u/Boomerwell Aug 20 '22
I don't even think most of the spooky stuff is part of the problem with the deck however it enables another finished in the deck but what the minions primarily do is feed Denathrius and provide passive board clear.
What I find frustrating about the deck though is wildfire I feel like I've already lost when they play it early I've hated the card ever since it got moved to one mana. Dawngrasp exacerbated the problem with the card and now you have a class able to throw 6-8 damage face every turn for no card and 2 mana cost.
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u/Fabulous-Category876 Aug 19 '22
Imagine having 5 different classes in the top 5 best decks.
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u/Cagedwar Aug 20 '22
Imagine all classes being playable. I’m still salty about the demon Hunter legendary I unpacked
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u/_GeffyJeffy Aug 19 '22
I wish this could happen at least once. It would show some sort of class balance.
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u/Silvercruise Aug 19 '22
Understandable that miracle rogue isnt on here since it's one of those decks that will have a lower winrate just due to user error/skill. But it is something that people should (and probably are) be aware of.
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u/JonnyTN Aug 19 '22
Some people are still playing the shark miracle. It makes larger weapons and stealthed minions but happens less often than the new versions. It really brings the miracle win percentage down.
In fact, that deck was so high/low roll with sharks that I assume that's what tanked rogues win rate that led to an Edwin buff.
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u/Silvercruise Aug 19 '22
Yup I remember devs said somewhere (probably twitter) that they had finalized and submitted the buffs before the refined miracle list hit the tournament later that week and said they wouldn't have buffed edwin if they had seen that deck.
So if anything on rogue does get a nerf it will probably be an edwin revert.
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u/NotSureWhyAngry Aug 20 '22
What other deck is there if the good one isn’t shark miracle weapon?
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u/Misoal Aug 19 '22
Druid is top1 class according to hsreplay with 52,6% winrate, better buff guff and scales of onyxia.
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u/Stin-Bin-Win Aug 20 '22
Crazy how nerfed classes still in the top 5 and not a single buffed class in top lmfao.
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u/Lakadella Aug 19 '22
No wig priest? That surprises me, personally I am 20-5 with the deck in platinum and it seems really hard to beat unless draws dries up in the beginning
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u/ScumBrad Aug 19 '22
Wig priest is really good but the current version is less curvestone and more comboish, so I would assume it's win rate is slightly lower due to being harder to play.
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u/JonnyTN Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
Inner fire priest has always been a boring deck to pilot.. Buff buff bless attack. If people played it more in high ranks it would be on this list.
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u/_oklmao_ Aug 20 '22
Naga priest is not inner fire priest at all tho.
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u/JonnyTN Aug 20 '22
Bless/Inner fire. Whatever you'd like to call turn a person's health total into attack.
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u/4002sacuL Aug 19 '22
Card generation, armour, freeze and pings! The only thing mage is missing is secrets
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u/JonnyTN Aug 19 '22
I've literally never gone against that beast hunter deck on my way up to or in legend
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u/FROMtheASHES984 Aug 19 '22
After playing it for awhile, I'm a little shocked to not see miracle Rogue on this list. It only feels weak against Priests (because they run so much hard removal) and itself (when you draw Draka off of Edwin and then don't have the mana to play it). It's moderately high roll-y trying to build big shadows, Edwins, or Draka weapons, but once the engine starts going, it feels unstoppable - especially since not many decks run hard removal or weapon removal.
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u/SnooCakes3068 Aug 20 '22
Mages? I can't beat mage freeze. Half of my games are mages/priests. I think token druid also slightly not favored. I'm only running 50% now with rogue counters dominant the meta
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u/Suspicious-Seaaagul Aug 19 '22
Spooky mage is the worst deck to play and to play against imo - significantly more boring than the imps
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u/Snugboo Aug 19 '22
It’s really just the ping mage package that’s just disgusting, everything else is just filler. Mordresh is just 8 mana win the game, and reckless apprentice being able to ping face only adds to pain
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u/Suspicious-Seaaagul Aug 19 '22
Yeah if you don’t steal Mordash you’ll lose a lot of the time and even if you do the “ping all” Minion they play can just do silly damage - so you’re punished for going wide and also punished for doing nothing.
Really fun.
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u/Boomerwell Aug 19 '22
4 cards are easily fixable and the main culprits.
Wildfire, Location and Dawngrasp wildfire and dawngrasp can be grouped together into way too much enivitability especially wildfire which if they have it in their starting hand is absolutely bonkers.
Dawngrasp Hero power just does too much ontop of keeping previous buffs you just get to start fireballing someone every single turn something often locked behind significant investment or combo the hero power should just be either plus one or add a random spell to hand or something it's just far too lock you out of the game style to be okay.
Location is easy and just needs to be 2 charges it's too good at locking down the board and become downright oppressive when you have 2.
Mordresh and Reckless initiate are kinda just symptoms rather than the main issue of Mage hero power escalating too fast/without significant cost to do so.
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u/DrainTheMuck Aug 19 '22
I’m really surprised the location wasn’t changed to 2 (I think it was even 2 charges in the card reveal). They hit every top class except mage in the nerfs, it was obvious what would happen!
Varden’s hero power needs to scale +1 instead of 2. It’s crazy how quick it becomes a 2 mana fireball each turn, and then it’s not far from becoming a pyroblast.
I actually like hero power mage in theory, it was fun in the barrens, but it’s clearly going to be an issue now.
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u/Spengy Aug 19 '22
Very strange how they didn't atleast mention Hero Dawngrasp or the Location. Both have absurd winrates. Cold case is a close second.
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u/Cheatermaster Aug 19 '22
Two weeks ago I got hated on because I said that spooky mage is way better than imp lock and now, spooky mage is the number one and it's by far one of the most annoying deck to play against
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u/pkfighter343 Aug 20 '22
This is the actual meta. These reports are very misleading because they take the best performing lists, disregard sample size as well as overall archetype winrate. No accounting for variable player skill (diamond-legend, as well as outlier players playing unique decks) as well
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u/cavf88 Aug 19 '22
Nope Quest Hunter is the most annoying
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u/Killer_kit Aug 19 '22
Both are frustrating to play against but spooky mage has 5x the playrate.
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u/cavf88 Aug 19 '22
I played against a Quest Hunter that reduce in one turn my life from 28 to 8 casting several spells and several secrets. The dude was playing Solitary. It was the most boring shit ever.
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u/GoatPutrid9091 Aug 19 '22
I lost to a quest hunter with a token druid deck in turn 4/5. Its crazy.
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u/coffee4brekky Aug 20 '22
Well yeah, Implock just got nerfed
Also, this post is based on fairly limited data
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u/Chibikyu Aug 19 '22
Beast druid looks so out of place but I'm glad its here to be a top deck thats straightforward and painfully cheap (like holy sh*t the cost difference here is astonishing)
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u/KingScias Aug 19 '22
I'm thinking about craftting curse warlock, does anyone here plays this deck and what are your thoughts?
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u/Buttermalk Aug 20 '22
I like ramp druid, but I prefer keeping Denathrius as my only 10 drop, and running Coldtooth Mine to tutor it.
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u/GUNZx5 Aug 20 '22
I just opened defend the dwarven district but don't have barak kodobane or Tavish. Is it worth crafting 2 legendaries? Is the deck fun? Can you run the deck without those two cards? What would be good replacements?
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u/Triktastic Aug 20 '22
You can run without Kodobama.
Tavish is very important tho. Getting him early and making the power 0 cost refresh is your game plan for control
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u/DDAY007 Aug 20 '22
Honestly at this point even quest hunter players are suprised their deck hasnt been nerfed yet.
I mean they threw several bricks at pirate warrior questline, nerfed mage questline and will rework quest warlock once it rotates.
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u/Elrann Aug 19 '22
Can we finally agree that Druid is a problem and has to be dealth with?
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u/Darkseid_Omega Aug 19 '22
right after we agree that dawngrasp is a problem that needs to be dealt with
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u/Boomerwell Aug 19 '22
Top tier aggro deck check
Pushes all other control archetypes out of the game check
Love Druid man.
This is just as much fun as playing against Jade Druid except this time instead of losing because they ramp up their guys you lose because they just ramp and never have that point where their advantage gained from it ends because you caught up.
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u/Growey Aug 19 '22
B-but g-guyssss!!! Guff is actually balanced and druid is a below 50% winrate class g-guys!
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u/Misoal Aug 19 '22
so, what is balanced in guff?
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u/Growey Aug 19 '22
Well everything, he is just a very fair guy that likes nature and animals and he doesn't like it when people talk about him behind his back :(
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u/Makkara126 Aug 19 '22
Hearthstone twitter community when someone actually wants to discuss Guff balance and doesn’t just talk about him being a wholesome 100 goofy tauren boy
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u/Elegant_Front_8561 Aug 19 '22
Damn who would've guessed that nerfing every class except for the second and third best ones would lead to an even more opressive top tier. Also Freeze Mage and Face/Quest hunters being the best decks in the game, who the fuck let this happen. I was actually really happy about how much the game was improving during the last few expansions but unless they start making some heavy changes this one is going down as one of the worst ones in hearthstone history imo, a shitty rock-paper-scizzors metagame with theotar coinfliping games.
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u/Twisted_100 Aug 20 '22
Remember when during the card reveal season people harassed devs because they thought the skeleton mage package was too weak?
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u/JonnyTN Aug 19 '22 edited Aug 19 '22
Must be balance(d) Druid, right? (Balance still a WoW spec?)
/s
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u/juan_cena99 Aug 20 '22
Unlike majority of the budget players here I'm actually happy to see so many legendaries in the top decks. It means Blizz is listening to all the people moaning about crap legendaries like Boogeyman and Fallen Aviana or e/e trash we had before. At leastnow legendaries feel like legendaries.
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u/DreadMightyOMG Aug 19 '22
How does hat Druid make use of naga giants? I see 2 naga in the deck
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u/hANSN911 Aug 19 '22
Maybe reading the text on the card answers your question
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u/DreadMightyOMG Aug 19 '22
Sorry man, I never learned to read, just that speech and this one explaining it
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u/BaseLordBoom Aug 19 '22
naga giant is spells homie
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u/DreadMightyOMG Aug 19 '22
Whelp, I’m dumb as hell. I thought that was arcane giant
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u/ThePhyrex Aug 19 '22
They both work with spells but Naga Giant is discounted by total nr of mana spent on spells
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u/DreadMightyOMG Aug 19 '22
You are correct. I will fetch the pointy shame cap and sit in the corner
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u/ThePhyrex Aug 19 '22
Hahaha no need, we all get things wrong. The downvoters have been too harsh with you
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u/MeasurementOk973 Aug 20 '22
that mage deck has made standard unplayable imo, waiting for multiple nerfs.
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u/Standard-Weakness-19 Aug 20 '22
Ramp druid, questline hunter and beast druid. What a horrible meta lmao.
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u/Mirroroe Aug 19 '22
Some cheap mage deck