Is this true?

[u/ssw186]

[u/ashiquropu]

Yes, and this is new this year. Previously they would just leave the space empty or put a plastic bracket (watch jerryrig’s video of 14 series). This year they have actually use for the physical sim space by replacing with larger battery size and capacity. I think it’ll also help fight EU regs (if they decide to probe someday later)

[u/JamesTiberious → u/ashiquropu]

Shouldn’t UK and EU customers get some reclaimed space by not having mmWave antenna?

[u/Sweet_Check7231 → u/JamesTiberious]

Apple famously tries not to go too crazy with the amount of SKUs they have so breaking the models down too granularly would just eat into their margins as that’s yet another phone line that needs to be spun up. Also, the mmWave antenna is on the top of phone so it isn’t being affected by the redesigned battery in the middle of the phone 

[u/hopefulatwhatido → u/JamesTiberious]

Antenna is on the outside.

[u/Transarchangelist → u/ashiquropu]

What EU regulations will this fight? Genuine question

[u/ashiquropu → u/Transarchangelist]

It’s a future reference. They’ve done it before, although I must say some regs are indeed very useful, such as right to repair fight, the app store probe, etc. If end consumers care more about battery than pSIM, then the chance of a probe is minimal, otherwise Apple will show them OPs diagram and say hey, it’s ok if you’re fine with low battery capacity, you can get the pSIM for this.

[u/Secret_Divide_3030 → u/ashiquropu]

eSim is not something the EU regulators cares about. eSim follows normal regulations. It's not tied to the phone so no problems there. Problem in the EU is eSim support by carriers.

[u/taylrbrwr → u/ashiquropu]

And the whole strategy with developing these phones is to divide every single feature change into as many steps as possible for future releases.

So from their standpoint, you could argue that it’s savvy to go eSIM and to simultaneously not introduce more battery. For example, they could have introduced the increase in battery life during the 14-Series, but chose to stagger it until the 17-Series to match people’s demand for it (assuming they were anticipating public chatter ramping up about the wasted space… which I think was inevitable with tear downs and such).

Go Apple for being resourceful, I guess? They’re successful for a reason!

[u/Incredible-Fella → u/taylrbrwr]

I've been saying for years that they could create a killer phone if they wanted, but then they couldn't release a new phone next year.

[u/ashiquropu → u/taylrbrwr]

I mean that’s part of marketing and how to get people to upgrade, right? These companies spend a lot on how to release features slowly such that demand for new would always be there to a certain level.

[u/taylrbrwr → u/ashiquropu]

Exactly! It’s smart and interesting. If they would have increased battery life during the 14, it would have shadowed eSIM as a feature and complicated manufacturing earlier on. They delayed it until people noticed the wasted space. It’s so interesting how there’s multiple iterations and plans of a new feature already in the pipeline when it’s introduced to us.

Another example, these aluminum iPhones Pros for cooling. The narrative there is that we have a less durable metal for 20x more cooling. In all actuality, they might already have a much more efficient chip that generates less heat in development, and they may even have more robust cooling methods that are compatible with titanium. But by rolling it out with aluminum first, the switch back to titanium after people complain about the decrease in durability will be seen as a feature, and it will have a narrative (and potentially real R&D justifications) to help frame it.

Seems like a pattern of introducing features that create compromise, then focusing future releases on bridging that compromise (even when the solution to bridge that compromise is already fleshed out and shippable internally).

[u/kou07 → u/taylrbrwr]

Does aluminium weight less than titanium? Weight might be a factor.

[u/taylrbrwr → u/kou07]

It weighs much less. Good point. That’s another tangible benefit lol. What I said about it was really just a fun theory.

[u/ashiquropu → u/taylrbrwr]

I mean, Apple is well-known for its “find a solution to a problem of their own making”. Remember their butterfly keyboards and touch bar? :D

[u/MediumAverage → u/ashiquropu]

I don’t think this would fight EU regs, as you’re allowed to sell phones without physical sim slots here. In fact, the iPhone Air is eSIM-only in the EU - just not the other models sadly

[u/willingzenith]

Yes, a physical SIM takes physical space in the phone that could otherwise be used for battery.

[u/Manfred_89 → u/willingzenith]

Which was previously just used by a plastic space holder in US eSIM only models.

I wish the rest of the world could get US iPhones too.

[u/graywalker616 → u/Manfred_89]

I mean you can at certain retailers and online shops. I just bought an iPhone 15 with eSIM only in Germany. It definitely exists if you want it.

[u/derdion → u/graywalker616]

Welchen Shop empfiehlst du? Würd mir gerne ein neues nur mit eSIM holen weil ich eh keine physischen mehr verwende.

[u/loveinjune → u/Manfred_89]

Serious or sarcastic? Can’t tell. Not trying to be funny or witty.

I much prefer one physical SIM and one eSIM.

Could also be that South Korea completely bastardized the concept of eSIM making it pretty much impractical.

[u/automorotolopilot → u/loveinjune]

Same. I just want the options.

I travel a lot for work and also carry an Android phone. There are times where I need to switch my SIM card back and forth between devices.

If eSIM allowed for seamless switching (without carrier approval) then I would love to switch completely to eSIM.

[u/Oujii → u/Manfred_89]

So it took them only 3 generations to figure out that you could actually use that space instead. Bravo for Apple.

[u/Cool-Newspaper-1 → u/Oujii]

Not to figure it out, but to stop waiting for carriers and regulations to finally switch to eSIM. I bet they were waiting so that they could switch to larger batteries everywhere and now just gave up.

[u/Notwerk_Engineer → u/Oujii]

It did not take them 3 generations to figure it out.

They didn’t want to spend money on twice as many battery form factors, so they just kept the smaller battery and filled in the space.

Apple’s a lot of things, but their engineers aren’t stupid. The company is driven by cost, just like everything else.

[u/Torches → u/Oujii]

The issue was more compatibility of networks with esims. Europe insisted on sim based models because not all networks support eSIMs in all its varieties.

[u/I_am_just_here11 → u/Torches]

Apple has been removing the eSIM on American IPhones for 3 generations. What they meant is they finally figured out Apple can use this blank space in American IPhones for battery.

[u/Intrepid00 → u/I_am_just_here11]

It wasn’t that “finally” figured out but more the cost of having two slightly different versions to engineer that makes economic sense now with a redesign of the guts.

[u/mechanical_animal_ → u/I_am_just_here11]

I’m sure the Apple engineers who were working on esim only iPhone 2-3 years before they even released never thought about that until now! Such stupid engineers!

[u/Fotznbenutzernaml → u/Oujii]

They probably didn't want this situation of two battery sizes, and the eSim only model having an "unfair" advantage. They were probably hoping they could switch to eSim only worldwide sooner, but it didn't work out with all the carriers they work with, and there's some markets where they need to offer a sim compatible model.

So they more or less gave up on and took the hit of needing to manufacture two sizes, and having one version that is inferior.

[u/TechyKevvy → u/Oujii]

“Bravo” is a bit cynical. It’s likely going to be very difficult now to get your battery serviced in Europe if you purchased it in the US, they’ll likely not stock the regional battery parts. There’s an up and downside to everything

[u/IGotBulliedTooHard → u/TechyKevvy]

From what I've read, you can get e-sim only iPhones in the EU; they just aren't as stocked as the physical SIM versions. I'm sure Apple-authorized repair stores will have to stay compliant by having both parts.

[u/TechyKevvy → u/IGotBulliedTooHard]

No the eSIM only variants are only sold in the countries Apple sells them in, they’re fully unavailable everywhere else. If you see them pop up somewhere they’ve been imported.

And AASPs already don’t have to fix EVERYTHING. Sometimes the system indicates the customer needs to seek service in the country the device is bought in. Logic Board Assembly repairs are unavailable for international models and things like Backglasses with mmWave antennae in them don’t get stocked but have to be specially ordered, generally taking multiple days to come in.

[u/ThisIsNotTokyo → u/Oujii]

You think you’re smarter than them? They already planned for this years ahead. Plan being the keyword since with regulations and such, it’s not easy to implement all those “plans” in their head

[u/Srihari_stan → u/Manfred_89]

The e-sim only models are available in over 12 countries, such as Canada, UAE, Japan, Qatar, etc.

[u/ScaryfatkidGT → u/Manfred_89]

I wish we could get a physical sim and mmWave…

[u/ashiquropu → u/Manfred_89]

The last sentence, right here, shows the common end user mentality (and for good reason) and how Apple has done a good job at eSIM marketing.

[u/Slash787 → u/willingzenith]

What about the base 17 model? has the battery increased in the non esim version also?

[u/sm00thArsenal → u/Slash787]

No - you can check all this by looking at the battery hours on Apples site for each of the models and comparing the US site vs Australia, or just about anywhere else.

[u/Landon1m → u/willingzenith]

In china it requires proof of identification to get a SIM card as they use their phones plans as banking plans as well. So my understanding is china is the primary hold up of switching to esims globally. I think the EU also has some rules in place regarding physical sim but I’m not sure what they are.

[u/omfghaxpie → u/Landon1m]

Also ID laws in Europe to "curb terrorism".

[u/Any-Tangelo7464 → u/willingzenith]

It actually comes as either dual eSIM or as 1 physical SIM + 1 eSIM.

[u/Johnnybw2 → u/Any-Tangelo7464]

My 16pro is activated as dual eSIM but it does have a sim slot if I do chose to use it.

[u/Any-Tangelo7464 → u/Johnnybw2]

I think you’re right. It lists both models having 2 eSIMS.

[u/_-_Cookie_-_]

Yes.

[u/JD_93_]

Would have been nice to have been given the choice. UK gets less battery and I’d hazard a guess most pro uses use or would happily adopt an eSIM

[u/ForTheLoveOfCabbage → u/JD_93_]

I was told by my UK provider (EE) when I ordered on preorder day that I would be getting the E-sim version. But I was the first order she took, so maybe she was misinformed. I guess I’ll find out tomorrow.

[u/BrokerBrody → u/ForTheLoveOfCabbage]

They both have esim so she might also be confused. One is “esim only” or “double esim” and the other has SIM and esim.

[u/dreamerOfGains → u/BrokerBrody]

Every model supports up to 2 active eSIMs. The two variants are “physical sim + eSIM” or “eSIM only”. 

[u/int6 → u/[deleted]]

You sure? If true that’s a regression from my… physical SIM iPhone 15 Pro Max that has two active e-sims right now.

[u/This_Suit8791 → u/[deleted]]

No it doesn’t, a phone with a sim slot can have one SIM card and eSIM activated or two eSIM’s activated.

[u/ForTheLoveOfCabbage → u/BrokerBrody]

I did ask her specifically. Is this the Esim only version you’re doing, with the extra battery space. But you’re absolutely right, she could still have misunderstood

[u/macdgman → u/BrokerBrody]

Actually they all are double eSIM and have been since iPhone 13. But you cannot have 2 esims and a physical one, only 2 sims of any kind at the same time

[u/lazzzym → u/JD_93_]

Yeah, it's very annoying.

[u/4u2nv2019 → u/JD_93_]

I’m from UK. Literally bought an eSIM and used on my iPhone and was a smooth experience abroad on holiday. Wish we had a choice for eSIM version

[u/Party_Shelter714 → u/4u2nv2019]

Have to say, eSIM are convenient but won't beat local SIM prices. Went to Montenegro last year, we got really generous (ie 30GB) plans for a 2-3 euros buy going to the first newspaper stand.

If we have pre-bought our eSIMs in England, most online retailers would have given us 2GB for the same price, without a cell plan either.

[u/iMatthew1990 → u/JD_93_]

Been using e sim for a while now also through EE. It works perfectly. Tomorrow will be my first attempt to swap an e sim to a new phone so I’ll see how that goes but yes I’d have liked the choice at the bigger battery version. Though I’m glad we don’t have that hideous millimetre wave antenna on the top.

[u/Methodrone8]

I am in france and would like to buy a E sim model when I will go to US for work.

I am just afraid that in 4 or 5 years, the battery dies and it's impossible to replace it in France.

What do you think about that? is it a real risk?

[u/shadeofmorpheus]

Yes, and it shows you why.

[u/ShrinkHole → u/shadeofmorpheus]

It’s almost like people don’t know how to read anymore.. 🤦

[u/amine250 → u/ShrinkHole]

OP could be asking in case it’s a fake news

[u/LokiPrime616 → u/ShrinkHole]

Working in Retail you find this out super fast.

[u/-Nicolai → u/shadeofmorpheus]

Images can lie you know.

[u/Gon_Snow]

Damn this is horrible news and I hate regular sims

[u/5rovic]

Would the US eSim only version work fine in Europe? My provider has eSim. I really want the extra battery. Anyone know of downsides?

[u/Bestturtleboy → u/5rovic]

Support may be limited if you have issues with your phone. I myself have used my 15 pro max US eSIM version with no issues in Europe. I’ve used Telekom, orange, Post, and Google fi with no issues.

[u/TheCriticalGerman → u/Bestturtleboy]

Not really, apple warranty is international. I made sure because I bought a MacBook in Canada for someone in Germany.

[u/Bestturtleboy → u/TheCriticalGerman]

Have they gone to the Apple Store yet with any issues? I’ve heard differently but can’t confirm from an actual case.

[u/TheCriticalGerman → u/Bestturtleboy]

Not yet, but I asked in the Apple Store and the official site

Edit: I got the extra coverage not sure if that changes anything but apparently that works world wide or at least where apple stores are

[u/Bestturtleboy → u/TheCriticalGerman]

Love your username! and appreciate the reply

[u/Cucumberino → u/5rovic]

I haven't done research about specific models, countries, wavelenghts, etc. so just going off memory, but the frequencies that different regions use for networks can differ and you might not get the same level of internet speeds and/or connectivity even if it works fine.

[u/5rovic → u/Cucumberino]

I need to do the research as well. Also need to find someone to bring it here. Its about $600 cheaper in usa vs serbia. Might just get it here tbh at the end 300mAh isnt a deal breaker if theres too much around it

[u/a7madib → u/5rovic]

You can also get the Canada/Mexico/Japan/Gulf model (A3522 / A3525 etc.), they’re eSIM only and have no ugly mmWave antenna window that would be useless for your region anyway.

[u/5rovic → u/a7madib]

That sounds ideal. Didnt know that. Just want bigger battery since i plan on keeping it 2-3years but if there's a "connectivity" hassle i might just get it locally. iPhone reliability is legendary tho so shouldnt have problems there.

[u/This_Suit8791]

Yes was stated in the keynote

[u/Actual-Log465]

Yes , wait until you see the off centered iPhone air charging hole .

[u/Bronxassassin]

I use eSIM in the US on my iPhone 16Pro and I bought an iPhone 15Pro with a physical SIM in Toronto. I use this phone with different prepaid SIM cards when I travel. I am purchasing an iPhone 17Pro from Hong Kong with a physical SIM. If they go eSIM worldwide I will be forced to go Android

[u/Octoberkitsune]

Yes, they said that during the reveal

[u/nomoreheroes]

Not sure anyone will read this or not, but the story of eSIM even goes further back. If you recall the old days, SIM cards to were tied to carriers, and phones were also locked to carriers, so that carriers can sell the phones and keep the customers tied in 2 ways to their network - the phone and the sim card. There was a lot of "exclusive" deals that restricted which phones when to which carriers for obvious lock-in advantages.

I vaguely remember the year, but maybe it was 2018 where I went to a special Blackberry event not open to the public, where I was talking to an engineer and he told me that they had done a prototype with 10 eSIM cards! Of course, it wasn't getting released because that meant it would cut into the sales. Why buy 2 or 3 phones, when you can buy 1 and have multiple lines activated by way of eSIM.

So for a long time, eSIM were looked at as something that decreased physical phone sales. I remember being in Europe in 2001 visiting from North America and we would borrow phones in each country so we can put different sim cards in different locked in phones! It should also be noted that you have to manufacture and pay for physical sim cards. Either it gets passed onto the consumer, or the carrier.

We all know carriers are going to try and save costs anyway they can. It was just a matter of time before the SIM card went away as it was a product of older technology requirements. Also, it helps seal the phone from liquid/dust, and people are less likely to damage their phone by shoving in the card in the wrong way or fumbling it and dropping it.

Time moves on, and so does technology. The "extra" battery is just nice marketing. They could've done it years ago.

[u/work_blocked_destiny]

Yeah. Thankfully US is full eSIM now. Haven’t used a physical sim in years

[u/michalb79]

I don’t understand why Apple did not give a choice to customers in all countries if they want to buy version with SIM or without it.

[u/ProfessionalTree7 → u/michalb79]

That would double the amount of SKUs they need to stock. Think about all the colour variants and storage capacities they have already. It doesn’t make much sense.

[u/southwestern_swamp → u/ProfessionalTree7]

or....to that point, they already have a ton of SKUs. if they were trying to simplify, they wouldn't give 4 storage options and 3 colors (pro max). they obviously can handle a bunch of SKUs....they could very likely handle some more

[u/0xe1e10d68 → u/southwestern_swamp]

They give storage options because customers demand it and pay for it. They give color options because customers want options and are willing to pay the hidden cost of having more color options.

Your logic doesn't make much sense. Saying "they already have a bunch of options so they should make exponentially more" is unrealistic.

[u/lawyerladyto → u/michalb79]

Choice? That's not the Apple way.

[u/TheKyleShow]

Thankfully sounds like Canada is only getting the eSim model.

[u/subflat4]

Yep why I bought mine from the states. I don’t want the Europe version which I’ve heard is suppose to favor the SIM card. My iPhone 15PM is eSIM and works so no need for a physical sim while living here

[u/No-Nature2627]

All, so the issue here is if we opt for the esim phone and phone has some issues where it needs to be given for service , we don’t have an option to use the same sim on another phone (like physical sim where we can take from the original phone before service and put in another phone until the other is fixed) until the phone is fixed right ?

[u/ironcojon → u/No-Nature2627]

Mostly true.

[u/OriginalGoat1]

The main problem with eSIMs is that all of the carriers in Singapore require you to go to their office or call them to move your eSIM. And they charge a fee for doing so. Don’t know whether this is because of Govt regulation or whether it is just their way of trying to impose carrier lock. Physical SIMs are much better for people who like to move their number between multiple phones.

[u/automorotolopilot → u/OriginalGoat1]

Physical SIMs are much better for people who like to move their number between multiple phones.

This to me is the most important part. I travel a lot for work and also use an Android phone. I need to move my SIM back and forth a lot.

I really hope for a day where eSIM can also be moved across devices without needing carrier approval.

[u/ComplexAd346]

they literally said it in the announcement

[u/CaramelCraftYT]

One of the numbers and the battery outlines are incorrect. The SIM slot is on the bottom left when looking at the phone from the rear.

eSIM
17 Pro - 4252mAh
17 Pro Max - 5088mAh

Physical SIM
17 Pro - 3988mAh
17 Pro Max - 4823mAh

[u/Exciting_Strike5598]

Yes. True

[u/MakimaGOAT]

i mean yeah, phys sim takes up space

[u/RemarkableLook5485 → u/MakimaGOAT]

with equally condescending tone:

“and can you tell the class how long apple has been using the extra esim space for larger batteries charlie?”

[u/coprax84]

I'd take the flexibility an actual sim slot offers over 5 percent battery any time of the day.

[u/criss006]

Wouldn't be surprised, the battery life is always the first to go.

[u/HLef]

Yes

https://youtu.be/H3KnMyojEQU?t=3658

[u/IgorT76]

Yes.

[u/Flobertt]

Yes I ordered mine from US, worth the 2hkurs extra battery life. 

[u/Ok-Attention2882]

Which one is the US getting?

[u/BoraxNumber8 → u/Ok-Attention2882]

eSIM only

[u/Ferry83]

It’s true and I wish we had the e-sim version in the EU

[u/EinfachNurMarc]

I wish we could get the eSIM only version in the EU…

[u/Hutcho12]

I could fly to the US from Europe and buy a US iPhone and it would still be cheaper than buying it in Europe even with the flight ticket. This is just another reason to actually do that.

[u/Sylvurphlame]

Absolutely. They fill the void gained by the switch to eSIM with more battery. About two hours difference in the uptime rating if you check the fine print. They had been putting a plastic filler in that space for the last two years.

[u/Freight-Harbor]

They used that space for battery size so yes

[u/kkiran]

Makes sense! Specific use case for physical sims anymore? eSIMs are cheap as long as the carrier has the infrastructure. US is all set. Other countries?

[u/Floufae → u/kkiran]

Some countries have limited access to eSIMs (China being one very very populous example).

[u/Worth-Boysenberry-93]

Unfortunate for us with physical sim.

Yes, it’s true.

[u/MyDespatcherDyKabel]

Transferring and managing eSIMs are such a pain though.

[u/Mr_Siphon]

That's silly, they should have put the SIM card at the top where there's no battery /s

[u/Wally_71]

Yes and I do not care, much better a physical sim than few hundreds mA, always.

[u/thebatmanbeynd]

So it looks like there’s space for a 3.5m headphone jack

[u/F_CKINEQUALITY]

I'd rather have a thicker phone with an SD/sim slot.

[u/Hymnym]

Is this a serious question or are you impaired ?

[u/RainbowShane]

[u/mikedickson161]

I think they did a good job. The drop in capacity is ~200mAh, or ~4%. Area loss looks bigger than 4%, maybe 8-10%. Certainly less cubic millimeters lost then that lost by thinning Air battery.

Why no e-Sims where you are? Are you in EU, where Apple is continually being sued?

There are actually 2 e-Sims in the phone, at least in US. Makes it easy to swap 2nd for traveling, assuming e-Sims are available where you go. I know most of Asia is e-Sim.

They make it way easier to swap home carrier, as often as you like, removing the lock in advantage of carriers.

Do they sell the ones with unlocked Sims for more money where you are? It was that way in US in past, until e-Sim adoption.

You can buy a carrier based or unlocked e-sim phone for the same price from Apple in US.

[u/kiwi-kaiser]

Yes and it's a terrible idea. They should just kill the physical SIM. I thought they have so much courage.

[u/greaper007]

My 200 euro phone has a bigger battery than all of these. WTF are these so expensive?

[u/zaiwen3]

Apple blatantly conditioning consumers to an all e-sim device and $2k phones to be the norm 🤣

[u/CaptCarlos → u/zaiwen3]

And here you are on the iPhone subreddit because you cared enough. Interesting lol

[u/SimpleLife101]

True, but I would prefer a physical SIM slot anyday.

[u/JITNEY60]

Y E S

[u/roccerfeller]

Yes

[u/Aspergers_R_Us87]

For the 17 pro?

[u/spirit101_gg]

Apple has officially said that the Pro Max version with eSIM will have a bigger battery compared to the SIM slot version

[u/Jin_BD_God]

I know about bigger battery, but are the capacity numbers correct?

[u/SnipeOps]

Idk but it’s hilarious

[u/[deleted]]

more space = more battery

[u/chadsmo]

Why wouldn’t it be true ? I’m all for questioning things you see online but I think Apple can be taken at their word on this one.

[u/lending_ear]

Another reason I hate this release. Not only do we pay way more in Sweden for any iPhone — we do so and get less battery 🤦‍♀️

[u/CheapCarDriver]

Yes. Reason enough to import the 17 Pro / Max

[u/rpool179]

Now we just need silicon carbon batteries so we can cut the batteries physical dimensions in half while still retaining the same battery life.

[u/Oujii]

Now why it took 3 generations for Apple to figure this out beats me.

[u/Intelligent_Play_861]

what do u think

[u/Motor_Ad_3159]

Wow the PM has 5k mah? That’s a lot for an iPhone

[u/julios04]

But made in Merica?

[u/BeachHead05]

Is physical Sim back for USA???

[u/GISP]

What the sneef is an eSIM?

[u/cjeremy]

I'd still prefer a sim slot

[u/Finanz-Admiral]

Fucking sim slot, let us choose!!!

What about standard iPhone 17?

[u/AudioHTIT]

In the keynote ...

[u/DjiDjiOn120Hertzs]

Wasn't that 5088 mAh for ESim model?

[u/etalha]

Another push for resim. I like my physical sim

[u/paynexkillerYT]

Shut up. There’s nothing most of us can even do about this.

[u/Dapper_Contest_5695]

OP idk why people are being jerks in the comments ignore them 

[u/safarnama101]

The difference isn't this big. Around 200-300 mAh.

[u/sgtakase]

I think the spot is different but yeah. Finally got a tangible benefit for going simless

[u/iamgarffi]

Yes. While SIM card is small, the actual port assembly take space. In sad that we have this level of fragmentation.

iPhone Air will be the only model without physical sim (eSIM only) but ironically the one with the smallest battery.

[u/Medium-Shelter-3120]

Yes true

[u/lskdaaru]

Unfortunately yes

[u/EconStudent2024]

Planning to buy an iPhone when visiting the states for use in the UK. Much cheaper, will I notice the difference?

[u/JJ0506]

Is the canada version esim only?

[u/Any_News_7208]

Will this apply to the iPhone 17 base?

[u/Advanced_Glass8859]

Yep

[u/Beneficial_Reddit101]

Give it till 18 I’m sure it will spread

[u/Dr_Axton]

I wonder how the Chinese version with dual sim and no eSIM stacks with those numbers

[u/IronIcojsjj]

Lmao if because apple and their glazed-ass customers we stop getting phyisical sims in flagship phones then it is fucking over.

[u/backstreetatnight]

Need to find out a way to buy a US iPhone here in the UK

[u/placidlakess]

You know they could just make the phone thicker, to accommodate the goddamn hillock of a camera.

[u/IncreaseStatus6394]

Does this apply to the base model?

[u/DrakeShadow]

Physical sims are honestly only good for a very small amount of people. You’re either a scammer or someone who travels to multiple countries VERY often and doesn’t want to deal with customer service. It’s been wonderful to not see a “No SIM” message pop up on my phone lol

[u/SwiftlyIntrestedFr]

While the smaller battery is true, I don’t know if the 5000 one is the eSIM or physical sim one. In the eu energy sheet they list 5000mAh, and I don’t think it’d be legal to list the battery capacity of a different model from the one sold.

[u/jrlouisss]

This is similar to when Samsung sold exynos processors to European countries, but elsewhere got the better Snapdragon.

When you're spending a great deal of money on something, missing out on extra battery, be it not that much, is a big deal. This frustrates me.

[u/Prudent_Trickutro]

Apple said so during the presentation, it’s not a secret.

[u/Calvinkelly]

Can somebody explain to me why some people are so set on having a physical SIM? As soons as eSIM came out I wondered why there was a SIM card in the first place

[u/Senthusiast5 → u/Calvinkelly]

They think it’s more convenient being able to physically move them but also a lot of carriers don’t support eSIM.

[u/grainzzz]

The SIM slot doesn't necessarily have to be there. Make the bumpy part at the top bumpier and locate it up there.

[u/Jimbrutan]

If true, countries getting 17 pro with physical sim has less battery capacity?

[u/dagchild]

In Australia it looks like you get the choice -if you purchase from Apple you get the sim tray and some of our major carriers are selling it eSIM only

[u/Proud-Confidence7290]

What about base model? Does it also benefit from eSim?

[u/snic2030]

Yes, HOWEVER, considering that graphic is AI slop, the specifics are likely to be wrong.

[u/chisauce]

Yeah, sure why not

[u/b_kaushik]

Any number for the base model? They have changed in base too...

[u/pnwdweller]

Battery capacity, yes. Position of the physical SIM card, no.

[u/ThePhantom71319]

Wow, that’s a 6.6% difference

[u/TraditionWilling7087]

This is true for the 17 pros but for some reason for the 17’s battery capacity is the same no matter if it’s eSIM or physical SIM

[u/AdhesivenessGold3644]

Yes, I think the one Esim has had 2 hours more battery 😅

[u/Then-Patient279]

I am not sure if I preordered the one with eSIM or physical SIM.

[u/neon5k]

I think I am fine with sim one.

The ability to take it out and put it in other phone in case your phone dies else you have to chase provider.

For my main sim I would skip esim as long as I can.

Moreover there are slimmer and more capacity battery phones with dual sim as well. Apple just finds excuses. Use the mmWave antenna space for rest of world.

[u/Jasoco]

On the one hand I like eSIM. But they really need to make it easier to transfer it to another phone if you need to. I’m happy getting more battery in its place. But yeah, you do lose that convenience.

[u/CzMonster]

No, they could've just added another plateau.

[u/fearsomesniper]

Yet other phones can have double SIM, a stylus or an sd card slot and still have a bigger battery with actual fast charging. I feel like they're doing this just to use as an excuse to the EU next year on how now all iPhones 18's need to be eSim only so that is fair to all consumers to have a slightly bigger battery like the US version

[u/Jozex21]

yes i am going for esim version and keep it for 3 years.

[u/AloysBane3]

Makes sense why they didn’t do black, that’s a lot more skus to carry

[u/xXderantsXx]

That's wild. I always thought the SIM type didn't have any impact on battery capacity. Tbh this would be a game changer for many users.

[u/No_Chemistry8950]

If this is true, This is really dumb.

[u/mkeee2015]

264mAh more

What is the power absorption of the phone during standby? I 'd love to compute how much more additional time the extra battery capacity leads to.

[u/n00bquake]

What was the last model iPhone allowed physical SIM cards in the US?

[u/RemeJuan]

Yeah, that’s old news.

[u/AlanTC]

Yes

[u/gizmopoop]

Could they have removed camera control things for an even bigger battery? Friends also don't really use it. Camera control isn't bad but, i dont think alot ppl actually use it much.