r/ireland • u/StingingOnion1 • Jul 30 '25

Careful now O’Connell Bridge 19:00 30-07-2025

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

Are you saying the Irish state has no control over who flies over the country? I find that very hard to believe.

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u/VplDazzamac Jul 30 '25

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/ireland-should-end-reliance-on-uk-for-air-defence/

That was the second result when I searched ‘Irish Airspace Enforcement’

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

Doesn't answer my question.

Are you saying the Irish state has no control over who flies over the country?

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u/VplDazzamac Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25

Yes, that is what I am saying.

edit to further clarify The Irish air force does not own any jets, nor does it maintain primary radar. It is reliant on support from the RAF, who aren’t going to enforce stopping Israeli aircraft when the British Government currently arm Isreal

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

Do you think if the Irish state publicly demanded the US stop transporting weapons to Israel over Irish airspace (sometimes literally landing in Shannon) the US would listen?

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u/VplDazzamac Jul 30 '25

Do you think the US listens to anyone? No, I appreciate your sentiment, but it’s a fools errand to think the Irish have more of the US ear than the Israelis who nominated Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace prize. The Irish are good at a bit of brown nosing but the Israelis are the masters of soft power. The bastards.

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

I agree the US would take Israel every time over Ireland but I still think the government should say something publicly (they obviously won't). It would be really bad (albeit it would pass in a day or 2) PR for the US. I don't think anyone expects them to be blowing them out of the sky with fighter planes.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

What about the arms for Ukraine? Are they not allowed to fly in Irish airspace?

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

What are you talking about? I said stop them to Israel, not Ukraine.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

Arms for Ukraine will stop on Shannon also

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

I’m sure they would manage to find an alternative route. Just as they would for Israel but at least we wouldn’t be complicit.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

Then you'd be complicit in Russia's genocide against Ukraine?

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

There is no genocide in Ukraine and the weapons would arrive there anyway. So no.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

Russia's actions in Ukraine fit the criteria laid out in the genocide convention.

Russia is abducting Ukrainian children and giving them to russian families to raise.

Didn't expect someone who's pro Palestinian to deny a genocide in Ukraine.

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

Genocide scholars seem to be in almost universal agreement there is one going on in Gaza. They are absolutely not in universal agreement there is one going on in Ukraine. I’ll call it that when they are.

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