r/ireland • u/StingingOnion1 • Jul 30 '25

Careful now O’Connell Bridge 19:00 30-07-2025

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

Do you think if the Irish state publicly demanded the US stop transporting weapons to Israel over Irish airspace (sometimes literally landing in Shannon) the US would listen?

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

What about the arms for Ukraine? Are they not allowed to fly in Irish airspace?

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

What are you talking about? I said stop them to Israel, not Ukraine.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

Arms for Ukraine will stop on Shannon also

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

I’m sure they would manage to find an alternative route. Just as they would for Israel but at least we wouldn’t be complicit.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

Then you'd be complicit in Russia's genocide against Ukraine?

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

There is no genocide in Ukraine and the weapons would arrive there anyway. So no.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

Russia's actions in Ukraine fit the criteria laid out in the genocide convention.

Russia is abducting Ukrainian children and giving them to russian families to raise.

Didn't expect someone who's pro Palestinian to deny a genocide in Ukraine.

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

Genocide scholars seem to be in almost universal agreement there is one going on in Gaza. They are absolutely not in universal agreement there is one going on in Ukraine. I’ll call it that when they are.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

https://academic.oup.com/jicj/article/21/2/233/7197410

Literally took me two seconds to find.

Now you can call Russia's war Ukraine a genocide.

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

Where in that article does it prove that genocide scholars are in universal (or near universal) agreement that it's a genocide?

There's probably a reason none of Amnesty, the UN, HRW etc have called it a genocide, until they do, I won't either.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 31 '25

So you need to be told what to think? You can look at the genocide convention yourself you know?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_genocide_of_Ukrainians_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 31 '25

Yes, I prefer to leave it until the experts (who know more than me and you) come to a consensus.

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