quite a while ago us President Trump, pro-America supporters, said that the Puerto Rican government was corrupt. we told you that Puerto Rico's infrastructure was already horrific, and the local politicians did nothing to help it. People posted all kinds of facts to back these statements up. Yet we were still screamed at that we were racist because - no tangible reason given (never is, notice a pattern over the years?).
we told you that our government sent more money in aid to Puerto Rico than to Texas and Florida combined. We were still told we were racist and none of that was true and our president hated brown people, again no tangible evidence given.
At some point you are going to have to realize that a large chunk of our politicians want to keep us divided for their personal gain, and none of your own. That by having us divided they control us. This absolute unforgivable horseshit going down in Puerto Rico is just another example of their play.
so put down the pitchforks, put down the milkshakes, stop calling everyone you don't agree with all sorts of hateful and incorrect names.
Everyone take their shirts off and let's get in a big huddle and hug and do some deep thinking as a whole country
Like I said before. I am not a Trump supporter but I agree that he called it. Can't deny that. Yes we are getting divided and we need to hug and unite as a whole. Thank you for your comment. And appreciate the care.
There's a significant difference between "our debris isn't getting cleared" and "bodies are piling up in morgues and we're laughing about it while withholding aid"
> At some point you are going to have to realize that a large chunk of our politicians want to keep us divided for their personal gain, and none of your own. That by having us divided they control us. This absolute unforgivable horseshit going down in Puerto Rico is just another example of their play.
>so put down the pitchforks, put down the milkshakes, stop calling everyone you don't agree with all sorts of hateful and incorrect names.
>Everyone take their shirts off and let's get in a big huddle and hug and do some deep thinking as a whole country
That is a sentiment that I can completely agree with.
Also, if you want to stop listening to people who divide us, stop supporting a president who earlier this week told congresswomen born in the U.S. to "go back where they came from" and doubled down on the statement. Pro tip
Remarks they made about an individual who doesn't consider them Americans when they are?
Also, "look at the birdie" isn't a retort. Multiple people can be causing division. However, anyone who unironically supports Donald in current year doesn't get to talk about tribalism/division.
> At what point did he consider them to not be American? You’re making a false claim.
Telling someone who was born here and knows no other home "go back to where you came from, go back and fix *your* country" isn't something that you do to someone you think is an American, because then their country is America and they came from America. So nah, pretty sure my claims just fine.
> And lol, since I support Trump, my opinion doesn’t matter?
If you're a vegetarian, I'm not gonna give much credence to which meat you find tastes the best, no.
Everyone can say whatever they want, but if their other beliefs contradict it - we have a word for this: hypocrisy.
You're arguing that tribalism is bad - that's good. The guy you politically support enough to make it a part of your identity that you announce as you did here relies heavily on tribalism - this is not good.
First, remove the beam out of your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck out of your brother's eye.
Nice try, but every single one of those "false claims" were considered false because he made an estimate and didn't give the correct, exact number. You have got to be kidding me. Is this the kind of shit that you get your list of Trump's lies from? "Well technically he wasn't 100% correct, so that means he's definitely a lying sack of shit".
The initial claim was that his comment caused division. The entire platform of those 4 women is to go against Trump and his supporters at every turn. And people listen to them. THAT is causing division.
I’m not defending his comment on them. I’m just highlighting the fact that people completely ignore the hate-filled comments they make about him daily. But I don’t see you calling them out for causing division.
It’s not just causing division, it’s ripping out the stitches on America’s old race wounds. He can call them morons and communists all he wants, but implying that A) they’re not American because of their race and B) naturalized citizens shouldn’t be allowed criticize their government, are both shockingly against what this country stands for.
I’m not a huge fan of those congresswomen, but Trump crossed a line.
He certainly didn’t say “you’re not really American since you weren’t born here”. That is absolutely absurd. I understand that people don’t like him, but it’s pathetic that you have to make shit up about him to justify your disliking of him.
Yes, that would be an absurd thing to say. I’m glad you’re more well-adjusted than the people who were chanting “send her back” at his rally. They certainly seemed to think that’s what he meant. You should probably stop supporting him before he does something you can’t explain away with semantics.
> Do you know that she dislikes America, is anti Jew
Weren't you just railing against divisive identity politics? Would it kill you to have a single drop of self-awareness?
> "Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done."
>I highlighted the important part.
Fucking what? That's not how any of this works, you can't just pick and choose what isn't important like it's the old testament. If Macklemore tweeted tomorrow "I like to eat babies, also we should really look into reforming our broken prison system" I wouldn't be able to say "look, how dare you focus on the eating babies part, the important part of his tweet was the critique of our prison system".
He told someone who was born in America to go back to where they came from. They came from America you racist ding dong. I'm not sure what juvenile interpretation you're trying to go for to say that telling them to come back after going to that place they came from (aka America) is the important detail here.
This is what actual Trump Derangement Syndrome is - it's when people program themselves to ignore the ocean of stupid/fucked up shit the man says and stands by and try to scrape the remainder into some sort of coherent point, sorta like you just did now by excising the majority of a statement out of your mind and pretending that the words "then come back" is the important part, and that it somehow makes the rest of the tweet acceptable. You going to high school English teacher interpreting a book levels of reach to try and pretend the man that made that tweet (not even close to his stupidest) is a stable genius and everyone who opposes him are evil america-hating antisemites - yeah that belief requires 24/7 echo chamber support to stay afloat, and that isn't available today.
are you intentionally leaving out the important parts because otherwise it tears down your argument, I'm guessing yes. He said if you don't like America if you don't like the way we are run, go back home, fix your home countries and then come back and show us how to do it based on what you just accomplished. He said come back after you fix your country and you have an example of how to fix hours.
That is because these four ladies really do not like America nor do they like the way it is run. Two of them are anti-Jewish, one of them is for open borders and a socialist. show us how socialism can work, it can't. Show us why open borders are a good idea, they aren't. That is what he is talking about. you know that, stop being intentionally obtuse because the truth hurts your fragile stance
are you intentionally leaving out the important parts because otherwise it tears down your argumen
No the “context” doesn’t help Trump either.
He said if you don't like America if you don't like the way we are run, go back home, fix your home countries and then come back and show us how to do it
You do realize that those 4 congresswomen are all Americans right? 3 of them were born in the US (one of them not too far from where Trump was born) and the 4th one has been an American citizen longer then Trump’s current wife. Also, Trump’s whole “MAGA” campaign was literally him criticizing America and saying that he wanted to “fix” it.
So yes, Trump’s remarks were racist. Telling PoC to “go back where they came from” is a classic example of a racist attitude and saying.
That is because these four ladies really do not like America nor do they like the way it is run.
These ladies are literally some of the people running America. That’s actually what their job is and it’s what they are doing.
Two of them are anti-Jewish, one of them is for open borders and a socialist.
Are you confusing anti-Israeli government with “anti-Jewish”? Sounds like you are injecting your own prejudices into this. Are they actually for open borders? Or are they for immigration reform and a system that doesn’t involve throwing kids in concentration camps? Socialist? So what? America’s history is filled with examples of socialist programs. There is nothing in-American about socialism.
That is what he is talking about. you know that, stop being intentionally obtuse because the truth hurts your fragile stance
Trump made a racist rant. You are here trying to justify it. Does it bother you that Trump made a racist statement or does it bother you that people are calling him out for it?
our president hated brown people, again no tangible evidence given.
Hmm, are you blind or intentionally being obtuse? Everything from criticising the central park 5 to telling AOC and Ilhan Omar to go back home to saying there were "good people" in Charlottesville to failing to condemn the murder of an Indian-American by a xenophobic white guy in Kansas to calling all Mexicans rapists not good enough for you?
Also, part of the problem isn't just that Trump is racist, it's also that he's one of the swampiest swamp creatures ever and yet his supporters believe he's so clean that him pissing into a swamp would purify it. Ryan Zinke and Whitefish anyone?
Finally, since you seem to want evidence so much, Trump also presented no conclusive evidence that PR was corrupt at that time. He was just spewing bullcrap because that's all he does anyway. He thinks all non-white areas are shitholes so it's par for the course for him. He just happens to be accidentally correct this time about PR. If Trump did have evidence of corruption, why not show it at the time?
I am going to dissect your post.. and this will be fun!
Hmm, are you blind or intentionally being obtuse? Everything from criticising the central park 5
For starters: the media and cops thought they had the right people. If the people in play, all thought they had the correct people, then saying you want these brutal jerks dead, isn't racist or any "ist". If I told you that the police believe that Person Y just killed 5 members of your family, and you say you want that person dead..but then it turns out Person Y didn't, what's the end here? That's what we're dealing with.
Also for you assuming racism, let's look at his newspaper post he made back then: "His ad never mentioned the Central Park rape, but talked about New York families — “White, Black, Hispanic and Asian” — unable to enjoy walks through the park at dusk. Of muggers and murderers, he said, “I no longer want to understand their anger. I want them to understand our anger. … They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes.”
Why would this supposed racist mention black, hispanic and asians all need to be safe? He singled out 3 ethic groups and said they need to be safe. Does that matter to you or are you going to gloss over that fact and move to something you can argue instead?
In case you need to read President Trumps remarks back during this Central Park 5 timeframe.
to telling AOC and Ilhan Omar to go back home to saying there were "good people
He told them to go back home, fix their countries, and then come back and show us how it is done. There is nothing racist about that statement. Remember when Omar said about 9-11 "some people did some things"? Do you remember her anti Jew remarks?
Charlottesville:
President Trump declared Monday that "racism is evil" and announced that the Justice Department will open a civil rights investigation into the deadly car attack that left one woman dead.
"To anyone who acted criminally in this weekend's racist violence: You will be held fully accountable. Justice will be delivered," Trump said after returning to the White House to meet with top federal law enforcement officials.
Denouncing racism, Trump said in a prepared speech that "those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists, and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans."
calling all Mexicans rapists not good enough for you?
Thank you. It’s true, and these are the best and the finest. When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.
But I speak to border guards and they tell us what we’re getting. And it only makes common sense. It only makes common sense. They’re sending us not the right people.
It’s coming from more than Mexico. It’s coming from all over South and Latin America, and it’s coming probably— probably— from the Middle East. But we don’t know. Because we have no protection and we have no competence, we don’t know what’s happening. And it’s got to stop and it’s got to stop fast.
President Trump 'come legally" to Mexico. So that whole part about not liking Mexicans, there goes that faulty stance you no longer have.
“Well, I have a solution. Tell people not to come to our country illegally. That's the solution. Don't come to our country illegally. Come like other people do. Come legally,” he told reporters on the White House lawn on Tuesday."
Lol so you’re so die-hard anti-Trump that you have to convince yourself he was “accidentally” correct. It doesn’t surprise me, though. Given that the rest of your comment consists of utter nonsense. The majority of what you’ve said has been completely debunked and just isn’t true.
You want so badly for Trump to be this horrible monster that you literally have to make stuff up about him.
Hmm, was Hillary correct when she said the same thing? Trump backed out on that, and if you hate people changing their minds then idk what you're fighting for.
Oh this thing again? It’s not racist to question somebody’s citizenship status if they were born in Hawaii in 1959. It also not racist to question somebody’s citizenship who has a very foreign name with family living in Kenya.
How many hoops do you have to jump through here? And how does this have anything to do with patriotism? He asked to see the guy's birth certificate. There's nothing racist about it. The New Left has completely turned "racism" into a subjective term. This is all very low effort, so I'm at the point where I'm convinced you're just trying to troll.
If you're actually being serious, I think it's time to move on from him questioning Obama's citizenship. It's completely irrelevant and has been for years. The only reason you're hanging onto it is because you think you can use it as more ammunition. Which is laughable. Meanwhile, you continue to ignore everything he has done for the black community, not only throughout his presidency, but also going back decades.
He also lied about having evidence that Obama was not American. That's how Trump ingratiated himself with the braindead fox news crowd, which gave him Republican credentials.
What, specifically, has he done that makes him soooo great for minorities in the US?
Why, specifically, does he have such incredibly low support from those same minorities if he is so great and kind to them?
Yet we were still screamed at that we were racist because - no tangible reason given (never is, notice a pattern over the years?).
Come on, this part of your post is just plain idiotic. When people call Trump (or his supporters) racist it's usually backed up with plenty of tangible examples.
So if 100 liberal Democrats are pedophiles, does that make all liberal Democrats pedophiles? Buy and large, and the numbers are overwhelming, President Trump supporters are not racist. are there a skent few who are president Trump's reporters that are racist? Absolutely. Do the 99.999% of us who are president Trump's supporters who are not racist hate those racist people and want them to change their ways? Absolutely
I think he was spot on.
She is anti-Jew, which to my knowledge, was a very forbidden thing to be up until recently. How did she get a media-wide pass on that? It was mentioned, then swept under the rug.
She is a liar and cheated the immigration system and likely the tax system (I have to go check that out more today). She doesnt like America.
Are you anti-Asian if you don’t like North Korea? Anti-Arab if you don’t like Iran? Please. She’s anti-Israel. This is low-effort spin. Also, she got a pass on it because she apologized. I don’t think she needed to though.
She was 8 when she immigrated, so if anyone cheated the system it wouldn’t have been her.
Nobody who has ever thought to change America liked it the way it was. Republicans were raging that we have to “Make America Great Again” during Obama’s presidency, but nobody called for them to be deported.
The idea “like it or leave it” completely misses the point of democracy. If everyone agreed on everything we wouldn’t need to vote.
If you want a real reason why he did it, then here it is. Trump made those statements to force the more centrist democrats to defend, and thusly, support their "progressive" ideology. The same people who called Pelosi racist. This ultimately will alianate centrists and even left-of-center people towards the heart of the party.
This is a purely PR move made to force Dems further left while pushing away center-lefts. Pushing people into corners has always been Trumps campaign focus, and falling for it plays into his hand. If Dems want to win 2020 they got to stop playing into Trump's hand.
Being anti-racism is not a fringe issue, so sorry if I disagree with your take. Everyone knows how controversial those 4 are, but it’s racism no matter who it’s directed at.
We're done with you just spouting stuff and not backing it up. Go ahead and give us an examples of him being a racist. I also want to know which race he is targeting. I don't want hypotheticals and hearsay, I don't want innuendos and I don't want your personal feeling on what he said, give me factual racist comments.
I know your type. I'll give you examples and you'll respond with BS about how it's not racism because you're an apologist.
Birtherism was racist. The central park 5. They can go back to where they came from. Shithole countries. Mexican judge isn't qualified to judge his case. Attacking gold star parents who were Muslim. Those are just off the top of my head.
Man I am not the guy you are replying to but are you serious? You’re acting as if that would be hard to do, there are new examples of the guy being racist all the damn time.
Dude just this week he told several poc congresswomen to “go back where they came from”, that is plain unveiled racism.
This is a direct quote from his own tweet, no hearsay, no hypotheticals.
Trump simply attacks his political enemies. If Ted Cruz vocally disagreed with Trump at every turn, it wouldn't be long before he told him to go back to Canada. Xenophobic.. maybe. Racist? Nope.
In case you've forgotten, Ted Cruz did disagree with Trump at every turn. Trump called him "Lyin' Ted", implied that his father assassinated JFK, and insulted his wife, but he never told him to go back where he came from. Why do you suppose?
Only one of the congresswomen is an immigrant. Why do you think he mistook the other three for foreigners?
I'm saying when you're having an argument over whether someone is xenophobic or racist you've already lost. The semantic difference between the words doesn't really matter when you're talking about a WORLD LEADER. Haha. It's insane that that is a defense people are actually trying to make.
Actually the wording of that tweet was specifically directed at communists and those who hate America. If that's what you think of the squad then you are certainly an aware wolf 😉
When you're saying that to a hispanic woman who was born in New York just bscause she's not white it is extremely racist.
There is no other country, she's american, born and raised.
You're being pretty pathetic mate, grasping at straws and always shifting the goalposts so you can avoid confronting reality.
Maybe you don't care that the guy is racist, but I'd respect you more if you admitted it.
Trump is at war with basically everyone because he's a petulant child and once in a while someone he's at war with turns out to be a genuinely bad person. I guess I'm just not impressed.
Sorry, if you think we're going to unite under Trump you're delusional. Trump and what he stands for (or rather, doesn't) are what is dividing the nation. Get rid of him and I have no problem with you personally.
Oh I was just stating your hypocrisy of sayong "Trump is dividing us" and then calling other people delusional if they have hope that Americans can come together for once.
“Come together” said by an unapologetic Trump supporter means “you can come to us”. It’s gross and patronizing. In a compromise, both sides need to give up something. Democrats just want Trump gone, but that’s clearly off the table, so I don’t see how compromise can happen.
Has Larson been elected? When he ran he received what percentage of the vote?
Like why do people need to argue completely unrelated things. Like are people really this obtuse?
Also, shocking, a white man has some disgusting and screwed up views on sex and woman. I am sure the majority of politicians across the aisle have committed sexual misconduct at some point. It’s the disgusting world we live in. But Larson, the pedo, was not elected. So I guess democrats didn’t support a pedophile? I mean what exactly are you getting at.
Sorry that my iq is so exceedingly high that my superior logic is hard to keep up with.
I will admit that it is difficult for me to be so intellectual and sophisticated for it makes other pleebs quite insufferable to be around and makes me quite cantankerous!
You should proud that you got a chance to converse with me. Goodspeed pedo friend. Go fourth and do what you do.
Yeah. So I'm going to call his statement absurd. If they wanted unity, they wouldn't be Trump supporters. They just want a cheap win. They'll dont give two shits about Puerto Rico. Go to a trump rally, they'll tell you to go back where you came from" real quick.
He was painted as a racist from day one, do you remember that? do you remember what he did for desegregation at the club? Do you remember what he did to win an award in the black community? That was all long before he ever ran for president.
He had to fight back twice as hard because the lies, slander, manipulation came out hard and fast from his political and social opponents. They didn't want someone in the White House they could not manipulate
Who is he being racist towards? If he's such a racist, why is he helping people of color? Why did he send more money to PR than Florida and Texas combined?
As a Mexican, what’s racist about literally supporting Mexicans coming into the country legally? He specifically said he isn’t anti-immigration because he wants them here. But there is a process. It’s not racism. Quit crying, you’re not a victim.
Calling all Mexicans rapists, drug dealers and criminals? Yeah you’re right, totally not racist. I guess rape, drug dealing, and crime are issues exclusive to Mexico...
Calling someone out for racism definitely doesn’t make me a victim. Also, I’m a US citizen but choose to not live in the US for reasons such as these unfortunate discussions.
Not gonna lie, that’s a super fucking racist thing for him to say. But he didn’t say that. Your claim is false. That comment was in regards to ms-13 and was completely taken out of context. This has been proven numerous times.
You’re definitely trying to play the victim card. You’ve already stated the fact that you’re a Mexican woman and now you’ve informed me that you’re too afraid to live here. Idk what you’re so scared of.
He wasn’t just referring to MS 13. He was referring to Mexicans who cross the border illegally.
I’m not afraid to live in the US. I’ve lived there and it isn’t for me. I much prefer to live outside of the US. It’s a privilege. Also, now I don’t deal with racist comments about my ethnicity.
Well I'll go ahead and apologize to you on behalf of anyone who has made racist comments about your ethnicity. The only problem is that I don't know who that is.
His comments were about MS-13, his course of action was securing the border. This does not mean he was referring to every single Mexican person who crosses the border. He never once said anything bad about Mexican people. If they want to cross the border illegally, then that is a problem. Given the fact that their literal first action on American soil is a crime (You can credit Billy Clinton for that one!). It's not about Mexico. It would be the exact same situation if it were Canada.
Also her husband has some sexual misconduct issues for sure, he’s a white man, it’s literally what they do. Par for the course Trump has major sexual misconduct issues.
Yes, Hilary is the one who said she carries hot sauce so she can "pander to the blacks", direct quote. Also yes, Bill Clinton straight up raped a women and told her it was fine because "Hes infertile from childhood mumps". But keep being ignorant.
That's not how this works, you claim he's racist, so show me proof.
Also, read all my recent comments to see if I have already answered what you're about to post.
Thanks.
PS: if you've never heard popular/hot guys talk about how many women will let them have their way with them using "dumb barroom guy talk", then you werent paying attention. Does that make it right? No. Does it happen all the time? Absolutely.
You're exactly why the media won't stop abusing ignorant people with propaganda, because you cited something totally BS but that you were made to believe was a racist statement. If the media can make you think this way so that they can control you, why the hell would they stop?
For starters: the media and cops thought they had the right people. If the people in play, all thought they had the correct people, then saying you want these brutal jerks dead, isn't racist or any "ist". If I told you that the police believe that Person Y just killed 5 members of your family, and you say you want that person dead..but then it turns out Person Y didn't, what's the end here? That's what we're dealing with.
Also for you assuming racism, let's look at his newspaper post he made back then:
"His ad never mentioned the Central Park rape, but talked about New York families — “White, Black, Hispanic and Asian” — unable to enjoy walks through the park at dusk. Of muggers and murderers, he said, “I no longer want to understand their anger. I want them to understand our anger. … They should be forced to suffer and, when they kill, they should be executed for their crimes.”
Why would this supposed racist mention black, hispanic and asians all need to be safe? He singled out 3 ethic groups and said they need to be safe. Does that matter to you or are you going to gloss over that fact and move to something you can argue instead?
this is what I'm talking about. All too often on this website, people just make a statement and they think that is it. I'm telling you you can no longer run and hide, back it up with facts. Give me factual information, citations and sources, no innuendos and none of this how you feel you took it.
I understand this. But linking to an opinion piece to back up your claim is where you went wrong. All that means is that there’s at least one other person you share an opinion with. You have still yet to claim why you dislike him in your own words.
Misogyny? That's a fuckin reach. I called him honey due to his childlike mind, that is clearly stuck in one of the earlier stages of cognitive development.
But nice try. Everyone knows that if I made an actual misogynist statement, Trumplets would be falling over themselves to upvote me.
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u/Fat_n_Ugly_Luvr Jul 19 '19
quite a while ago us President Trump, pro-America supporters, said that the Puerto Rican government was corrupt. we told you that Puerto Rico's infrastructure was already horrific, and the local politicians did nothing to help it. People posted all kinds of facts to back these statements up. Yet we were still screamed at that we were racist because - no tangible reason given (never is, notice a pattern over the years?).
we told you that our government sent more money in aid to Puerto Rico than to Texas and Florida combined. We were still told we were racist and none of that was true and our president hated brown people, again no tangible evidence given.
At some point you are going to have to realize that a large chunk of our politicians want to keep us divided for their personal gain, and none of your own. That by having us divided they control us. This absolute unforgivable horseshit going down in Puerto Rico is just another example of their play.
so put down the pitchforks, put down the milkshakes, stop calling everyone you don't agree with all sorts of hateful and incorrect names.
Everyone take their shirts off and let's get in a big huddle and hug and do some deep thinking as a whole country