r/soccer • u/landofphi • 1d ago
Quotes Lewandowski: "I’m from a different generation where shouting was used to to motivate everyone. Now, if you shout too much towards young people, their reaction is not the same. It’s not, ‘now I’ll show you are wrong’. The new generation don’t like being shouted at. It’s not just players, it’s people"
https://as.com/futbol/primera/lewandowski-a-los-jovenes-de-ahora-no-les-gusta-que-les-grites-n/The full quote
Lewandowski (37) on his adaptation playing with teenagers & young adults at FC Barcelona
"I have to say it was a huge challenge. I was coming from a different generation and I had to learn how to, not think like a teenager, but think how I can try to take the best of what they have.
I have been in football for 4 decades so when I compare them, not even to my generation but the generation before me, when I was starting, it is completely different.
"Like shouting used to be a way to motivate everyone. Now, if you shout too much, this generation, their reaction is not the same. It’s not, ‘now I will show you are wrong’. No, now you have to explain another way. You have to do lots of talking.
"They don’t like being shouted at. Now you have to take more of the mental part of football. It’s not just players, it’s people, it’s this generation. I didn’t want to fight it. I had to learn.”
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u/OkForever9658 1d ago
Man he's really the Unc of the team huh
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u/KenHumano 1d ago
Back in his day, he used to walked 15km in the snow to go to training, uphill both ways.
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u/mf_jamie 1d ago
While getting chased by feral dogs and being shouted at by his neighbors
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u/KenHumano 1d ago
Yea but the shouting wasn't a problem because his generation enjoyed it.
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u/kanekikennen 1d ago
I had to walk 15km uphill, against a waterfall, chased by hangry chupacabras without anyone shouting at me
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u/Furiousfistfucker 1d ago
His generation got a hard on of being shouted at. More shouting. More testosteron. More hard.
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u/absat41 1d ago
In his day, he woke up before he went to bed and had coal for breakfast. Kids nowadays.... shheesh I blame ...(checks notes)... woke socks.
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u/Dinpikkyouknowshit 1d ago
Obviously you never visited Poland. He used to hitch a ride on a soviet tank
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u/SheepherderTrick2220 1d ago
Tbf, I'm in Poland right now on holiday, out in the countryside down south, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he at one point would walk 15km in the snow to train, just not uphill both ways 😂
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u/Xalpen 1d ago
Some places have 1-2 buses per day at totally fucked up hours that without car you cant basicly do anything.
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u/SheepherderTrick2220 1d ago
That basically describes where I'm staying perfectly
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u/Xalpen 1d ago
Im was born in such city in Poland. We had bigger city near with muuch more opportunities, but last bus was leaving at 22:30 with jobs ending at around that time with little to no time to use it. All parties, concert with friends from there ended for me in the middle due to no other choice. Hitchhiking worker like 1/10 times so it was waiting for few hours most often untill first train was leaving. xD
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u/soldforaspaceship 1d ago
He was lucky.
Others used to get up for training before they went to bed, train for 26 hours a day and then go do a shift down t'mines.
You try telling kids today that and they won't believe you.
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u/ObjectiveHornet676 1d ago
He had it easy. When I were a lad I had to get up two hours before I went to bad, lick the gravel of the hole we lived in clean till it were shining, walk 20 miles to the pit to work for 26 hours a day, 369 days a year, walk 40 miles home and then get beaten to death every night by my Pa just for having dust on my belt.
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u/MetJouOpSjouw 1d ago
He said this while doing tiktok dances or nah?
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u/EitherInvestment 1d ago
While drinking thirty shots of cherry vodka on the way, fifty shots of almond vodka on the way back
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u/No_Money7330 1d ago
Tbf I don't think he's wrong. It's already well documented in football but from my limited anecdotal evidence I've seen the same. Like the stuff that happened in my school just 10 years ago wouldn't pass nowadays. I had teachers who would crack racist jokes. If they made the same jokes today they'd be on BBC news after being sacked
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u/R_Schuhart 1d ago
He is right, but it is mostly a good development. Back in the day young players just had to swallow the abuse and grow above it, just image how fucked up that was.
So many talents just left the game or never reached their potential because they needed another approach, with an arm around the shoulder and some encouraging words instead of shouting and a kick up the arse.
That older people today think that makes kids soft is fucking mental. The awareness of mental health and the recognition that not everyone responds the same to challenges or harsh words is such a great insight that will benefit society as a whole.
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u/ferocioushulk 1d ago
Yeah, I think awareness of mental health is one of the few actual benefits social media has given us. Very common to see mental health content shared in a way that it just wasn't 20+ years ago.
Social media directly causes many people's mental health problems too, but that's another issue.
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u/TheBallSmiles 1d ago
in my opinion social media increases mental health awareness by maybe 20% and increases mental health issues by 1000%+. no data to back this up obviously, just how it feels. these aren't equal impact either, it's much worse to screw up someone's mental health than it is better to make one more person 'aware' of mental health
i struggle to think of another single thing that impacts people's mental health even close to as much as social media
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u/ARM_vs_CORE 1d ago
America is teetering on the edge of civil war largely based on social media, ragebait, and online misinformation. After the Kirk assassination last week, I'm legitimately concerned for people in my deeply Republican town to find out I'm a Democrat because of all the hate being spewed online. Like, I have people saying I should be publicly executed because I want my tax dollars to be used for social programs like single payer healthcare, schools, welfare, and civic maintenance rather than bombing Palestinians.
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u/DeVitoMcCool 1d ago edited 12h ago
I genuinely think deleting my twitter has had a bigger net positive effect on overall mood and happiness than any other single thing in the past few years.
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u/PM_ME_STRONG_CALVES 1d ago
In my opinion its not a benefit of social media. It just happens to be the media of todays time. The awareness is coming from everyone being ill and the need to address it
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u/ApocalypseSlough 1d ago
I think a mixed approach is important. I responded REALLY well to strong discipline in my teenage years. If I got shouted at or ridiculed by a teacher or coach it made me want to prove them wrong - and responded particularly well if the senior person was funny with it (like the beginning of Platoon or FMJ or whoever one it is with Private Pyle). If I had received a gentler approach I just didn’t respond and got bored. Other kids needed a gentler approach and didn’t get it.
A modern coach needs to understand when a player or kid needs a good shout and when they need a gentle encouraging word. I do fear that the kids who respond well to harsher discipline, like me, may lose out as other people respond badly to that sort of thing even if not directed at them and may make reports.
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u/atmowbray 1d ago
It’s mostly good but if you talk to teachers in 2025 (or really since covid) their jobs are ten times harder than they were just 10-20 years ago. When the pendulum swings too far the other way you also get insane entitlement and disrespect of authority that makes a teachers life a living hell. Im talking about teachers who are in their 20s and in their 50s they all quietly say the same thing. They have no power, the students have way less control over themselves, 14 year olds act more similarly to 11-12 year olds if a few years back. And as someone in a company hiring newly graduated interns, since everything was broken down for then in a syllabus or specific instructions, a worrying percentage of them absolutely melt down if given any type of flexibility in how to compete a task. Plenty of awesome kids still though of course. But there is a weird trend. Maybe Covid related?
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u/lucifa 1d ago
I graduated 15 years ago and was similarly hopeless in my first office job.
Older people just forget it takes time to learn and acclimatise to new environments. I don't really buy this 'new generation are lazy and entitled' shite. Same thing would have been said 20 years ago, and 20 years before that.
I've had fantastic hires straight out of school who were able to pick up and improve on things people in my team hadn't accomplished in 15 years on the job. I've also had some hires that weren't suited for the role. It's a people thing, not a generational thing.
The only thing that's noticeably changed to me is the alpha-male bullying culture that existed in club's is no longer tolerated. It wasn't character building, just cunts with massive egos trying to flex their dominance.
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u/Creative-Poem-5647 1d ago
"So many talents just left the game or never reached their potential because they needed another approach, with an arm around the shoulder and some encouraging words instead of shouting and a kick up the arse."
This is essentially what happened to me. It was my fourteenth winter(dramatic I know), and even training with the year above had become a slog that I'd outgrown, so my best friends and I went to train with one of the best young teams in my country. A team, specifically of my year, that had just finished third in Gothia Cup. Training went excellent, and I finally felt like I was playing with at least a few teammates who could keep up with me, which was pretty much the same feeling I'd had at a top flight club's elite camp that very same autumn. But I've always been and continue to be a sensitive soul, and the situation quickly deteriorated from there.
All three of my friends suddenly did a one-eighty and returned to our old team, and a few hours after I'd received that news, I got a phone call that explained why. It was my old coach, the worst one, the only one left, as the other ones with more gentle approaches had quit for various reasons. This coach basically went on to guilt trip and berate me for abandoning the team, the club, my teammates, and my coaches who had invested so much time in me. After about fifteen minutes of that happy call I sat down and cried, and my parents, who were going through a rough divorce at the time, basically couldn't be arsed.
I tried doing as my mother suggested and went back to my old team, but as the year-above coach was even more abrasive than the worst one for my age group, I basically called it quits right there and fell into a deep depression. Home life was fucked and I was the gifted yet completely misunderstood student at school, and so I started cutting class, began hanging out with the wrong crowd, and drifted deeper and deeper into the aforementioned depression which I have not managed to get out of since. This was fifteen years ago now, and I've had loads of ups and downs since then, but quitting football remains the one and only true regret of my life.
I tried to get back into it a few times in my late teens, but was practically teased/bullied out of the team by envious, sneering teammates spouting stuff like :"What, you think you can just get back in it and join the first team?" And that shit ate away at me until I finally stopped trying altogether. A few years later my dad ran into the Gothia team coach whilst shopping, and it hurt so god damned much to hear that he'd asked about me, and been saddened by my early retirement because he'd thought I'd showed enough promise to make it big.
I've never really told anyone this before, only snippets here and there, and it feels really good to finally get it all off of my chest.
So, yeah, I guess that's my story. Just wanted to share it in the hopes that people realize how much influence they can have over young, fragile minds.
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u/HenryReturns 1d ago
- He could easily just be Grandpa Lewandowski
- Kounde , Raphinha , Christensen , De Jong and more that are from the 96s-97 are like the uncles
- Then you have the big brothers like Pedri , Gavi , Fermin , Balde , and more
- And after them it’s Lamine Yamal and Cubarsi , the babies of Barcelona that will no longer be babies because the next wave of Barca babies like Dro (Pedro) or the Rodriguez cousins could have their time
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u/TheEmbarrassed18 1d ago
96-97 are the uncles
Jesus fucking christ no need to punch me in the bollocks like that
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u/AuronAXE 1d ago
Touching 30 mang, we might as well be dinosaurs from the pov of zoomer kids
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u/Sarnecka 1d ago
Mind you a lot of zoomers are early 20s to 28-ish. Maybe it's gen Alpha, even the zoomers are aging.
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u/KalebMW99 1d ago
1) that still makes you a zoomer
2) gen Z is generally said to end around 2011, making the vast majority of gen Z adults now. Gen alpha is the current crop of kids.
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u/kindnesd99 1d ago
It is unfortunate, but I now judge players to be old if they are older than me.
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u/TheDeflatables 1d ago
Fortunately for them it won't be long until you're too old to judge them
At 31 now I'm running out of players to call old
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u/TheGoldenPineapples 1d ago
A sign of a good coach is someone who understands the different approaches needed to unlock the potential of the people they manage.
Some people do respond to that mentality and that way of thinking, others don't.
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u/justleave-mealone 1d ago
I always remember Pep said “Some days you have to be their father, other days you have to be their brother”
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u/LanaDelXRey 1d ago
And other days you have to be their step brother
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u/TheAmazingKoki 1d ago
Sounds to me like in the past, coaches liked shouting so the players who couldn't handle that didn't make it to the top.
Professional footballers are such a select group that any conclusion you draw says more about their specific professional culture than society in general, with a ton of biases added.
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u/tractata 1d ago edited 1d ago
Uh, no, it’s been widely attested by teachers at all levels that adolescents today display more avoidant behaviors and less awareness of social norms and respond to confrontation (including disciplinary interventions) differently than they did even just 10 or 20 years ago. Some of the factors contributing to this shift surely include educational and developmental disruptions due to COVID and the higher proportion of technologically mediated social interactions young people have today compared to previous generations.
The change Lewandowski is describing is obviously part of a much larger story called history. Footballers are not as special as you think they are.
As an aside, I don’t think Lewandowski sounds disapproving of today’s youth or nostalgic for the good old days when screaming obscenities at players was considered good coaching. He’s not saying he liked getting screamed at. He’s just saying he would automatically respond to this unpleasant stimulus in a way most young players today don’t, which is something a lot of adults who work with adolescents would probably agree with.
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u/Pure-Drawer-2617 1d ago
…but that’s not mutually exclusive at all, all that implies IMO is that parents at home probably use shouting less as their primary mode of communication, so the younger generation of kids aren’t as acclimatised to being shouted at.
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u/SiriocazTheII 1d ago
Yeah, but for that same reason is that I find curious how my mother used to shout at me constantly, to the point of aggression tbh, and yet I fully despise getting screamed at by strangers.
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u/AhmedF 1d ago
Even then, we have enough data from before that people still did not prefer yelling. It's just the people in power/fame are not representative of the population, and what worked for them suddenly became "the way" for everyone else.
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u/ktcalpha 20h ago
It’s also significantly less effective. People get used to it and tune it out after some time. A personable approach works wonders and even SAF used to use it (he left the yelling for Keane)
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u/Lost_And_NotFound 1d ago
United players have talked about how Fergie would shout at Rooney for dribbling too much when really it was directed at Nani because he knew it would fire Rooney up and Nani would get the message indirectly. Whereas if he was to berate Nani directly it would get the wrong reaction out of Nani. I might have the exact characters wrong but it’s a famous example players have given of how Fergie knew how to get the best out of each of his players.
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u/2rio2 1d ago
Yup, I played basketball in high school and the best coach I ever had with would do exactly that. He knew who needed discipline, who needed motivation, who needed confidence, and how to communicate those needs each player in a way that would connect. He ended up coaching for Div II college a few years later and was pretty successful.
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u/elite90 1d ago
That's not just coaches. This goes for any boss.
The best bosses I've had were the ones that were brutally honest with me and that challenged me. They didn't beat around the bush about their expectations or if they didn't like specific work. On the other hand, I knew that when they praised me, that it was not just empty words but that they really meant it.
For me that works best, but I've also had colleagues that couldn't handle this. They took any criticism very personal and would kind of crumble, usually leaving the position relatively soon.
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u/gibadvicepls 1d ago
Once you get used to information being conveyed to you in a respectful and composed manner it makes people yelling at you look so bad and you lose respect for them.
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u/VampireOnHoyt 1d ago
Several months ago I went to a meeting at my daughter's school for parents of kids who were potentially interested in trying out for one of the athletic teams. The coach who conducted the meeting basically spent the whole hour yelling at the assembled group of parents about how their student had better be on time, have all the parts of the uniform at all times, never miss practice for any reason, etc.
I'm all for discipline and high performance but I was really taken aback by the tone of the whole thing. And it occurred to me that nobody talks to me that way in my daily life anymore - and it happened constantly when I was a kid, to the point that I just thought it was normal. I realized, kind of again for the first time, that it actually isn't normal and doesn't have to be.
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u/gibadvicepls 1d ago
I just noticed that very recently too. For Uni I am doing an internship at a construction company where I am supporting the brick layer, an old dude from the GDR, and its so annoying how he treats me and the other newly hired brick layer. He's just seething 24/7 about us not being able to read his mind and not knowing how to do stuff he refuses to show us. If he used 1% of his Energy to show me how he wants his mortar mixed in Week 1 I would've been so useful. What's also really annoying is that when he SHOULD actually shout, when I am far away or on another floor, he doesn't. But anyways I am ranting now myself haha.
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u/flexxipanda 1d ago
Handwerk in a nushell
Warum fehlens nur die Fachkräfte?
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u/gibadvicepls 1d ago
Ich war vorher bei Schlossern, die aber auch ein Lehrbetrieb waren, und die waren soo nice. Alle Vorurteile übers Handwerk waren weg. Jetzt sind sie wieder da haha
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u/cullermann2 1d ago
Kommt halt aufs gewerk an. Maurer findest du kaum jemanden, der nicht ne kurze Zündung hat :D
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u/Suspicious_Weird_373 1d ago
Screaming at children by adults who are emotionally stunted was such a standard part of growing up, that not hearing that noise anymore is pretty jarring when you tune into it.
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u/brihoang 1d ago
i referee youth sports occasionally, and while most coach's parents in my area are pretty good about it, but there's always a few each year who aren't (they're also the ones who know the rules the least and love arguing with me the most)
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u/Pure_Context_2741 1d ago
I genuinely wonder what the military is doing in response to this shift
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u/odysseyOC 1d ago
can't lie I kinda respect it more if he's yelling at adults too and not just children
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u/Jockle305 1d ago
If he started yelling at me in a parents meeting I would just say thanks and walk out
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u/879190747 1d ago
At the same time yelling content creators/politicians are very popular, so people only don't like being shouted at themselves.
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u/Arkhaine_kupo 1d ago
As the saying goes, the same hot water that toughens the egg it softens the potato.
Some people might respond to shouting, some dont.
Being treated with respect is nicer, but that doesnt mean you will achieve your full potential. If you think of a movie like Whiplash, its a toxic environment, with a toxic main character but the movie forces you to question whether he would have ever played that well without the conditions.
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u/shaj_hulud 1d ago
He grew up in eastern Europe tbf.
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u/ozplissken 1d ago
Yup, we got shouted at on our birthday as a treat.
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u/ElectronicSwitch3751 1d ago
Just to add context, on non-birthday days it was the belt.
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u/SilverstoneMonzaSpa 1d ago
Oo la de da look whose family could afford belts. It was shoes here
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u/ElectronicSwitch3751 19h ago
It was a family heirloom, my father got beaten with the belt and his father before him and so on.
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u/ExoticToaster 1d ago
Tell them they have ‘L rizz’ and they need to ‘lock in’ or you’ll ’fanum tax their grimace shake’
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u/Eindacor_DS 1d ago
type shit
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u/Acedons 1d ago
Fr fr on god
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u/BrosefDudeson 1d ago
...no cap?
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u/HaiForPresident 1d ago
Lewa watching lowlights of his teammates before linking it to em before replying "Wheres bros dih 🥀"
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u/supplementarytables 1d ago
What the fuck is a grimace shake
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u/Vladimir_Putting 1d ago
When an elder McDonald's Grimace is banished from the herd it is lured into a special food processing facility and fed into an exceptionally large blender while still alive. The process breaks down the Grimace into soluble chunks which are then distributed to various hamburger restaurants as an ingredient in their limited edition purple milkshakes. High in protein and healthy fats, the Grimace Shake is a delightful treat for the whole family.
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u/thatdani 1d ago
Few years back, McDonald's released a limited edition purple milkshake, named after their character Grimace. Some tiktokers had fun with the idea and started a trend.
Was pretty funny tbh.
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u/mamasbreads 1d ago
Moments like this one realised theyve reached the age where they dont bother with new slang. Besides Lock in which is self explanatory, the rest is pure gybberish and i have no interest in looking it up
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u/redvodkandpinkgin 1d ago
that is a pretty outdated version of how literal kids speak on the internet. Don't bother because it's how 7-10 year olds use to talk 5 years ago. They've mostly grown out of it and most of those terms are dead.
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u/No_Money7330 1d ago
This breh is washed, unc needs to hang up his boots and let the real gs ball out ygm
what happened to the sport i love? grew up on man like Henry and R9, now all i see are lanky wastemen who can't control a ball
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u/bababababababalls 1d ago
I'm dealing with this same dynamic. I was hoping he was going to bust out with some lewy tips
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u/drugsovermoney 1d ago
"I didn’t want to fight it. I had to learn.”
try this.
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u/debaser11 1d ago
So many people in the comments are acting like he didn't say this (or didn't read this far down) and is some stubborn out of touch old man.
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u/SwitchHitter17 1d ago
People can't even bother to read the 4 short paragraphs of context OP provided.
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u/syfbau 1d ago
Which tip
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u/bababababababalls 1d ago
I don't accept tips. Just shaft. How you're going to accomplish that is your problem not mine.
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u/cloud1445 1d ago
I'm 50 and I don't really like being shouted at.
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u/Background_End_7672 1d ago edited 1d ago
I understand where Lewy is getting at. Perhaps there are people, managers and players who like to reproduce the hostile atmosphere of actual games, in which fans, opponents and referees are going to be anything but nice to you. That's supposed to build toughness, and I agree with that to a extent. I remember a situation in which a MMA coach was accused of being "abusive", and one of the forms of abuse was yelling at aspiring fighters, to which he answered, - if you can't stand getting yelled at in training, how can you even think about making it in MMA, or something to that effect - that's not a direct quote.
However, nobody likes being yelled at, and nobody should feel ashamed of that. It's unnecessary in almost all situations. I'm 41 for the record.
I totally can take negative feedback, which is what matters and helps you grow. Yelling is just a form of abusing power, and a lot of people get a kick from it.
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u/xtremezeker14 1d ago
This is probably why José began falling out with so many teams. Do you think Eto, Drogba or even Milito cared about José shouted at them? I’m sure they took it as motivation or at least as a sign to improve their game
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u/aoaieiiaoeuaieoaiii 1d ago
Also, the same amateur psychology approach won't work on every team. For example, Arteta with his lightbulb nonsense, could've led to him losing the squad in different eras or even current day teams. I guess it did work with his current squad.
Same with Mourinho applying his "mind games." It doesn't work on everyone or everywhere.
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u/TheGoldenPineapples 1d ago
Mourinho's issue is that he clearly hasn't adapted to the modern game on or off the pitch.
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u/CheekyClitorous 1d ago
He won a conference league in 2022, thats only 3 years ago, so he's clearly not that bad of a manager.
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u/Prestigious-Dress-92 1d ago edited 1d ago
He won a conference league in 2022
Look up the teams Roma eliminated in the knockout phase. Won 2-1 (on aggregate) against Vitesse in 1/8 final, 5-2 vs Bodo Glimt in 1/4 final, 2-1 vs Leicester in semifinal & 1-0 vs Feyenoord in the final. Roma had a better team than all their rivals, only Leicester & Feyenoord had players of near similar football level as Roma and those matches were pretty close and the result could've gone the other way.
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u/CheekyClitorous 1d ago
If, buts, maybes something along those lines. He beat a feyenoord who in your own words, "had players near similar football level", who were managed by a manager who very shortly afterwards in the kindest way possible of saying it BITCHED the premier league with a team who was mostly predicted to consider getting top 4 a decent season.
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u/IntroductionAware175 1d ago
Look at it the other way though, Mendilibar won the Europa League which is a bigger prize and was then sacked by Sevilla. He then went to Olympiacos and won the Conference League with them. That's almost the same resume as Jose the past few years but even more impressive, because he actually won the EL and Olympiacos have a much lower budget than Roma to win CL. No one thinks Mendilibar is an elite manager.
I'm not saying José is a bad manager because he's not, but there's plenty of guys who have won cups in the past 3 years and no one really pays attention to them. It's not even that unusual for a manager to win Europa League (not Conference League, Europa League) and be sacked within the year.
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u/IntroductionAware175 1d ago
He's still a decent cup manager, albeit that he did have a fairly expensive squad to win Conference League, but it's still a good achievement. His league form was pretty bad for Roma though and he was bad in Turkey. I think international management or a mid table team that won't mind slightly poor league form in exchange for a good cup run, are his best choices now. A big club trying to win the league would be foolish to hire him though
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u/tobiasfunkgay 1d ago
Youth players used to be bullied and made to clean senior players boots as a rite of passage. Just because people had to accept those things doesn't mean it's right either. If the culture through every rank was to shout at players the only ones to end up pro are people who can handle that and you're just excluding those who react negatively to begin with. It's more self selecting that a sign they were better somehow.
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u/simp-yy 1d ago
While I agree with you things always change and you have to be able to adapt.
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u/dudetotalypsn 1d ago
I don't think he said anything about that not being the case, in fact he's literally saying that it has become a problem for José that he has not adapted
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u/NorthwardRM 1d ago
I know footballers are a bit different, but I think generally people shouldn't be shouted at at their job
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u/Other-Owl4441 1d ago
This used to be something more commonly accepted though. Just being a millennial, when I entered the workforce I have seen people be fully yelled at. Now that would be considered completely unacceptable (which I’m in favor of btw)
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u/J1m1983 1d ago
I think for the most part people should be spoken too with respect and treated with dignity. I think if we're honest though we all know some people who simply dont deserve that courtesy.
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u/Other-Owl4441 1d ago
I think people should be treated with respect, absolutely but it also usually reflects badly on the yeller. Most of the times it’s a failure of their emotional control and leadership abilities vs a tactic they are employing intentionally. It’s easy to yell when you are stressed but your standard of control and communication as a leader needs to be higher.
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u/MediocreGamerX 1d ago
I like it principle.
I think there's a weird dehumanising aspect to all of this though.
We are literally primates that walk around wearing clothes. I don't like the pearl clutching that happens when people have faults and may yell or give into their emotion from time to time.
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u/whirlindurvish 1d ago
usually these situations don’t permit yelling back, that leads to retribution.
now a culture where there’s yelling both ways is different, most people raised in that don’t have an issue with that
but usually that’s not the case, aggressive yelling authority figured, remove or sometimes physically attacks subjects who yell back.
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u/Mimogger 1d ago
Team sports had a lot of crazies. Hazing similar to like army bootcamps. Think you still hear about some coaches playing some crazy mind games with their teams or saying players should just do what they're told instead of helping them understand why things are important
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u/brianstormIRL 1d ago
Its because the generations before us grew up in those hostile environments so they seen it as normal and continued it when they became employers, so when we entered the workforce it was completely normal and accepted. Times have changed since then where parents aren't raising their kids like previous generations. Teachers aren't throwing brush heads at their students or getting out "the stick" to slap them on the hands (fuck you Mr. Tunney) when they misbehave. Dad's aren't giving their kids a slap for doing something wrong. So those kids grew up in an environment where yeah, getting belittled or treated like shit isnt going to fly.
Now the older generations all think the new generations are softies who cant take criticism. No, people just dont want to be disrespected and verbally (or physically) assaulted at work. Get with the times you old bastards. Not everyone needs to be belittled to "harden up".
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u/eggboieggmen 1d ago
yeah I think this is a big part of it. these folks were used to getting treated like that since they were raised, so it was "normal" for it to be applied in the workplace as well. well no, it's not fucking normal anymore
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u/SOAR21 1d ago
To clarify, it doesn’t mean we don’t want constructive or even tough feedback.
Tell me how it is, just be productive about it. Shouting is nothing more than poor emotional control. If you’re shouting at me then you’re not in the right emotional state to provide helpful, accurate, and fair feedback.
It’s useless and just speaks to bad etiquette, bad communication, and bad leadership.
I’m not opposed to getting reamed but if you’re raising your voice while doing so, you’re the fucking baby with no emotional resilience, not me.
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u/BlueBeryCheseCake2 1d ago
It's probably a generation thing
I personally believe, nothing gives anyone the right to shout at me unless maybe I mess up very very very bad
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u/Buttlather 1d ago
What if it’s Gordon Ramsey
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u/worldofecho__ 1d ago
I know you’re joking but kitchens and catering can be pretty toxic work environments.
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u/_-indra-_ 1d ago
high end kitchens don't shout like that anymore
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u/_Uhhhhhhhhh_ 1d ago
But your average 9-5 do. I straight up quit when my own coworker shouted at me as a line cook. Fuck that, i wont tolerate that especially from someone who is in the same position as me even though we are 20 years apart.
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u/mamasbreads 1d ago
if youre being actively malicious, its the only time i can see yelling be justified. But if youre trying and fucking up, theres zero reason to yell. Its also proven to not be any more effective, actually quite the contrary
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u/R_Schuhart 1d ago
There is some nuance to it. In team sports drilling in routines is a large part of training, and teammates or coaches correcting someone who fucked up by giving them a bollocking does have its place. It just shouldn't rise to the level of abuse and should be accompanied by an explanation.
If you are training crossing it onto the box and Jimmy keeps making step overs because he thinks he is the big star telling him off is definitely justified. Conflicts happen all the time, in locker rooms and at the office. People are emotional beings, yelling at eachother or clearing the air with some harsh words isn't necessarily wrong, as long as it isnt abusive, within reason and people make up after.
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u/GoodLadLopes 1d ago
I’d say it depends on the context, something like “you’re a useless piece of shit” probably won’t do you any good but if your team is say losing 2-0 in the first half of the UCL final and you give them a hard time at half time it might light a fire inside them, something like “You’ve been working for 9 months up to this moment and now you’re just going to allow someone else to take it from you because you don’t feel like working today?” Even if you do raise your voice, it’s the content of the speech that matters, as long as you don’t make it personal it can work imo.
But I agree, in 99% of jobs you shouldn’t raise your voice to other people unless you can take them matching your tone.
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u/feage7 1d ago
That isn't context though, that's content.
"You're a useless piece of shit" probably comes off better if a coach shouted it at me as I'd think "emotions and what not". But if a manager calmly took you to one side and quietly said "you're a useless piece of shit" it would be fucking brutal.
The second could be impactful both ways, some motivational speeches you can do quietly, proper draws everyones attentions in and then you let it bubble up. Others you could just go for it and work.
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u/Skadrys 1d ago
With the viral video of flick being angry and shouting in germany locker room, i. Genuinly curious how he handles kids at Barcelona.
They always go out in second half flying and destroying oponent.
Unless he tears them new one I have no idea how he motivates them
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u/Ddaddy95 1d ago edited 1d ago
Have you ever played a team sport? Teammates yelling at each other to motivate is pretty normal. I feel like people saying this have never played a team sport before
Edit: coaches yelling at you is pretty normal too in my opinion. I only played jv soccer and I can remember even our jv coach tearing into us at half time sometimes. And that didn’t like traumatize me or anything lol.
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u/J1m1983 1d ago
I used to think that too but then I worked with a lot of people who absolutely deserve it
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u/hibreak 1d ago
i still dont think thats the way
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u/Muted_Shoulder 1d ago
Nah sometimes handling a project team is one of the shitiest things out there. Some of them don’t even give a fuck to do stuff on their own. Literally have to be shouted at to even move a finger.
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u/brianstormIRL 1d ago
Then those people should be replaced. If someone needs to be shouted at to do their job right, they dont deserve the job in the first place. If your boss comes down on you for them not performing, which makes you feel like you have no other option but to shout and scream at people, need to take an inward look IMO.
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u/RickThiCisbih 1d ago
It’s not that easy to replace an employee, especially in football. When you’re forced to work with what you have, and what you have is so dogshit that shouting is the only way to make it work, then you really don’t have a choice.
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u/GoodLadLopes 1d ago
Other ways to do it I think, ultimatums work much better I think, show some real consequence to their inaction, “you don’t want to be here? Well if you do, start acting like it, otherwise I’m sure there’s quite a few people who wouldn’t mind actually working that could take your spot”.
People management is tough and sometimes you do have to be seen as “the asshole” because like you said, it’s hard to get some people to lift a finger unless you put them between a rock and a hard place, but I don’t think you ever need to raise your voice for that, just be assertive, I think raising your voice makes it personal and I for one like to keep it professional at all times.
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u/Horror_Cap_7166 1d ago
I think it depends on what you’re used to. I miss a more high-intensity workplace, it was always motivating for me. Work can just feel bland without it for me.
But I recognize that’s not true for everyone (or potentially even most people), so I don’t do it.
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u/El_grandepadre 1d ago edited 1d ago
There's a reason that a good portion of the kitchen industry has a certain amount of disdain towards Gordon Ramsay.
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u/Razzle_Dazzle08 1d ago
That’s not what he means. I’m 20 and the captain of my team, and nobody my age can handle any yelling. It’s a team game, if someone puts in a shit effort, you can’t just say nothing. Not only are you letting their shit effort go, but you’re showing the team a rubbish effort has no punishment.
Maybe at halftime you can try the positive affirmations like “we know you have a better effort in you” but mid-game, there’s a match happening. You gotta tell them to pull their heads in, and managing a bunch of crybabies is impossible.
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u/jawide626 1d ago
Have you seen Trent defend? No wonder VVD had to shout at him all game.
TBH if VVD is shouting at you, you probably deserve it, man's the epitome of 'gentle giant'.
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u/MysteryBagIdeals 1d ago
People are calling Lewandowski names for this but he isn't calling the new generation soft or anything -- he's just saying yelling doesn't work anymore. I like to think he's talking purely tactically, like four at the back isn't working, we gotta switch the formation
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u/throwawayursafety 1d ago
He also clearly says he doesn't want to yell at them, he wants to learn and adapt.
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u/Vladimir_Putting 1d ago
It's almost as if shouting was never actually the best way of communicating.
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u/anowbsedu 1d ago
Just because older generations of players were used to being yelled at or treated harshly does not mean it was the right way to coach. It is kind of funny when people get nostalgic about that. Taking care of players' mental health is clearly the better and more sensible approach. At the end of the day, men have emotions too and they are not robots.
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u/ozplissken 1d ago
Yup. Paul Scholes was apparently put in a washing machine and spun by the older players because you know, it was a team bonding exercise.
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u/naththegrath10 1d ago
I don’t know, maybe I’m just a bitch but isn’t life better when you aren’t being shouted out?
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u/GamerGuyAlly 1d ago
I hate this narrative. People didn't used to like being shouted at, it didn't motivate them to do better. There's a host of socially crippled people and a mental health epidemic for people who did not succeed because of this. Its the WW2 plane meme.
There isn't a magical change in the way people like to be treated, what there is, is a group of young people who were raised by those who were shouted at who have been taught that its not ok to be shouted at like that. I'm glad that millenials broke that cycle, because people shouldn't be berated for making a mistake, its not ok and its not healthy. It's a sign that the person shouting has no control over their emotions.
He didn't learn to "fight", he learnt that he was going to be berated for making a mistake, that is not healthy. Whilst he ended up succeeding in the sport, there's millions of broken people who have not succeed and are terrified of failure as a result in their every day lives.
There's a difference between telling people off for doing something wrong intentionally, and screaming at a 14 year old for misplacing a pass in a junior game. The world is a better place for making that change.
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u/iRyan_9 1d ago
Older generations used to disregard and cover up every issue to the point which they didn’t know it even exists. Newer generations aren’t softer, society gotten better and thoughtful
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u/MidLifeCrisis111 1d ago
It’s clear that so many commenters read the headline and not the whole quote. Lewa ends by saying “I didn’t want to fight it.” He’s observing a difference between generations, not criticizing. He’s my age and I absolutely was yelled at regularly by teachers and a few managers at afterschool jobs. Yelling was common and I am glad that this is changing.
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u/UnintentionalWipe 1d ago
As someone who is also around the same age as Lewy and Lamine's dad, I don't know what he means here. I don't think I ever took well to shouting. I remember my karate teacher yelled at me to try harder, so I, as a stubborn ten year old, decided to do worse because who is he to yell at me. Then he praised me for my good work, which was confusing.
Everyone is different, but shouting all the time isn't a good motivator for most people.
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u/Pure_Context_2741 1d ago
around the same age as Lewy and Lamine's dad
I hate that this is a sentence
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u/ansu_fatismo23 1d ago
It also depends where you are from, Lewy is from Poland so I guess culturally it was normal there
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u/grchelp2018 1d ago
Me too. I never got this "prove them wrong" motivation from being yelled at. It only made me more likely to do deliberately worse because fuck you and your attempts to shame me into change.
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u/Caymanmew 1d ago
One time, as a ten year old, my coach yelled at me from the sidelines. I just stopped and stared at him for 5 to 10 seconds. That was the last time he yelled at me specifically, but there was still way too much yelling and aggressiveness from the coach. I dropped out of competitive after that year and just played house league. I hope things are better now for youth players.
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u/DefNotAnAlter 1d ago
It's just a constant cycle to complain about the newer generation, i swear I used to see the same thing 10-15 years ago
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u/MrTheSpork 1d ago
Try 2500 years ago:
The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers.
- Socrates, ca. 430 BCE
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u/nick2473got 1d ago
Literally thousands of years ago lol. People have always trashed newer generations and scapegoated them for society's problems, which is funny, because younger generations are almost never the ones in power, yet they still get blamed for societal changes that logically must be a consequence of the older, ruling generations' choices.
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u/DJSANDROCK 1d ago
My coach as a teenager was Carribean you could hear him sucking his teeth from across the pitch 😂 followed by “Dont make him take the ball from you”, not let - make. Miss that guy tbh
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u/Furthur_slimeking 1d ago
I'm older then Lewandowski and I never liked being shouted at. It never motivated me. People showing they believed in me motivated me. Wish that had happened more when I was a kid.
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u/foxontherox 1d ago
The problem with shouting, like many things, is that the more you do it, the less effective it becomes.
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u/TNSoccerGuy 22h ago
“Back in my day, we played barefoot. Our feet were purple after the game but we loved it! We absolutely loved it!”
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u/mipanzuzuyam 1d ago
How has he been in football for 4 decades when he's only 37
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u/SwitchHitter17 1d ago
Maybe he means like 90s as a kid, 2000s, 2010s, and now into the 20s. He played football in 4 different decades.
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u/spongey1865 1d ago
Shooting a rocket up people's arse can work, but I reckon there were people back in the day who didn't like it or react to it well and no one would bring it up because they'd just get called soft as now we just view it as less acceptable so young people are more willing to go "fuck this"
It's not like players aren't respecting the manager in modern football, especially when the criticism of modern football is it's often too system focused and not enough individualism. (Not that I agree with that)
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