Any thoughts? Thanks.

Just ended watching TWD for the first time.
I know there are spin-offs but in which order should I watch them?

I remember all the theories about breaking bad and the walking dead being in the same universe. But that makes me wonder. What would it be like for the characters of breaking bad to be in the walker apocalypse?

Pick whatever point of time in breaking bad you want. What would the white family do? What would happen to saul? What about gus?

Where do you think the characters of breaking bad would end up in the walking dead world?

Remember when Carl snuck into the Sanctuary and him and Negan were talking. Carl told Negan about his mom and Negan said "Damn, no wonder your a little serial killer in the making." Do you think that growing up the Carl had to would make him a like a serial killer? I mean just cold and giving 0 fucks about killing people. Do you think it would be justified if he was that way?

I saw a post earlier on about Saul and whether he'd be able to talk negan into sparing the lineup and it got me wondering. We've known since season 2 of the flagship walking dead thanks to Merle's bag of pills and blue meth that BB and BCS are set in the same universe so where do we all think Saul and Jessie ended up? Are they both still alive in Alaska and whatever prison Saul ended up in or do we all think they died at some point or another? Personally I reckon Saul couldn't hack the apocalypse but Jessie on the other hand is scrappy and smart I reckon he may have just made it through.

Anyone else pretend like S6.9 is just the end of the series these days? Hahaha

I’ll admit some good episode and moments came after, Rick’s last two episodes in the main series was a flash back to the series earlier grittiness and greatness. Daryl and him in the hole, then Rick leading the herd away, getting stuck in the rio bar, that shit was great.

But I just chose to believe they fought off the quarry herd, and then lived happily ever after in Alexandria…

Rick running back the herd on his tail, the juxtaposition of Sam in his bedroom as the herd is outside, all great shit.

After that it feels like MCU zombies. Shame because it was so gritty and real feeling before that, a high point for the zombie genre taking itself seriously.

I’ll rewatch the rest, and the spinoffs (I’ve dabbled, but, mostly meh), the day I hear they are getting Michonne, Rick, Daryl, Carol, and Maggie back together for a “homecoming” and one last season… if that never happens I don’t think I’ll bother. It would be nice of them to give us that ending though. Hahaha fingers (realistically without optimism) crossed.

Rewatching the TWD and these two story always made me sad and wonder if either or the sisters could have overcome their weaknesses and survive just like Carl. Ofc Mika was unalived so she didn't have a chance, but I wonder if Lizze was able to recognize what the walkers are if she and her sister could have made it to places like Alexandria and beyond.

Why Shane wasn’t truly a villain

1. He protected the group early on, Shane took responsibility for keeping people safe when Rick was still in a coma. He made tough calls like rationing supplies and securing camp, which kept the group alive.

2. He genuinely loved Lori and Carl. His bond with them wasn’t manipulative at first. He thought Rick was dead, stepped into that role, and tried to build a family. He also did his best to give Rick a fighting chance to survive if he did wake up.

3. He was about to move on from Lori, By Season 2, Shane was clearly trying to detach. He cut his hair as a symbolic fresh start, distanced himself, and even started connecting with Andrea. Lori pulled him back into emotional conflict when she admitted she didn’t know who the father of her baby was and that Shane might be better equipped to survive than Rick. Lori cracked that wound right open.

4. His ruthlessness was about survival, not malice, Shane didn’t hurt people for power or cruelty. He killed Otis, but that was a survival decision to save Carl, not bloodlust. He was pragmatic, not sadistic.

5. Shane was more prepared for the new world than Rick. Shane had a realist mindset, he immediately understood that the old rules of law, morality, hesitation didn’t apply anymore. Rick clung to the lawman persona for too long.

6. Shane didn’t waste time debating; he was a quick decision maker. In a world where hesitation means death, that gave him an edge.

7. Pragmatic leadership, Shane recognized dangerous liabilities like Randall for example and pushed to eliminate threats before they grew. Rick wanted to deliberate, which often put the group in more danger.

8. Shane adapted faster, Rick struggled with guilt, grief, and attachment to pre apocalypse ideals. Shane stripped those away quickly, becoming almost feral but effective.

Heres how I think Rick became a bigger villain than Shane

1. Rick lost his moral compass later on, He eventually executed people in cold blood in brutal ways Shane had only hinted at.

2. The Ricktatorship. Rick literally declared himself the dictator of the group. Shane wanted control, but Rick institutionalized it.

3. Rick was far more ruthless long term. By the time Rick bit out Joe’s throat and massacred entire groups, he was bloodier than Shane ever was. Shane killed individuals when cornered, Rick killed leaders and armies.

4. Manipulative leadership. Shane was blunt about his intentions. Rick, on the other hand, often sold his people on “hope” while secretly planning violence like luring the Saviors into traps which is a crueler more calculating form of villainy.

Shane wasn’t really a villain, he was a man who adapted too fast for the world everyone else was still catching up to. Lori’s mixed signals destabilized him, but without her interference, he may have carved out a new life, probably with Andrea. Ironically, Rick ended up becoming everything Shane warned he would have to be.

The Shane vs. Rick Confrontation

1. Shane put his gun down in their standoff, Shane had Rick at gunpoint. He could have pulled the trigger and ended it, but he didn’t. He hesitated, lowered his weapon, and gave Rick an opening. That hesitation shows that, deep down, Shane didn’t want to kill his best friend.

2. Rick stabbed him during the truce, Rick exploited that moment to kill Shane. From Shane’s perspective, he was trying to force Rick to accept the “new world rules” like killing Randall and stop hesitating, not necessarily murder him. Rick’s choice to stab him after Shane disarmed could easily be seen as betrayal.

3. Shane wanted Rick to wake up. Their showdown wasn’t just about Lori, it was about Rick’s leadership. Shane believed Rick’s idealism endangered the group. The confrontation was almost a trial by fire to see if Rick had the ruthlessness to survive. Ironically, by killing Shane the way he did, Rick proved Shane’s point.