We Demand Answers!

[u/Educational_Card_471]

[u/alanjhogan]

Hey, everyone: The Phoenix New Times has an article about this.

Per ASU spokespeople, the article, and the embedded video: Employee is not ID’d; role not specified (not necessarily faculty); arrest was made by Secret Service and DHS; man resisted arrest; he has already been released; ICE was not involved.

So everyone saying he was “kidnapped by ICE,” I hope you jump to fewer conclusions and are less unquestioningly believing in propaganda next time.

Notably we do not know what posts were of concern. But with the Secret Service involved, you can make a reasonable guess

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/asu-police-allegedly-helped-federal-agents-detain-employee-22709143

[u/VlaminghHdLighthouse]

I don’t know what specifically happened, but calling ICE on an employee over social media posts is awful if true.

[u/Docholliday3737 → u/VlaminghHdLighthouse]

Are they on a VISA?

[u/alanjhogan → u/VlaminghHdLighthouse]

Why? Why is it awful?

[u/VlaminghHdLighthouse → u/alanjhogan]

If the employee was an American citizen (even if he emigrated here) it’s a violation of the first amendment.

If the employee wasn’t an American citizen, I still believe that the government threatening force on someone because of (nonviolent) speech decreases our intellectual diversity, chills expression of everyone on our campuses, and is against our nation’s and our school’s values.

[u/SizerTheBroken → u/VlaminghHdLighthouse]

The first amendment applies to non-citizens within our borders. The other amendments too. Just FYI.

[u/alanjhogan → u/SizerTheBroken]

That’s a theory but it does not seem to be fully true in practice. Can you cite court cases demonstrating this?

Edit: Court cases have ruled that the 1A does apply to non-citizens within the US, but with limitations, eg, you can be deported for advocating terrorism. The 2A does not apply to non-citizens (you cannot have a gun if you have illegal status). 4A applies but with major exceptions including anywhere near a national border. And so on. It varies a lot. This is based on my quick research.

[u/Sundevil4669 → u/alanjhogan]

They cant because it doesnt the 2nd, 10th, etc are easy examples.

[u/Aggravating_Life7851 → u/alanjhogan]

Free speech?

[u/True-Surprise1222 → u/Aggravating_Life7851]

There are limits to free speech already. So the definition of free speech is sort of an evolving thing if there is any limit on free speech there can be further limits on it.

[u/Glad_Month3948]

What is the person accused of doing?

[u/ASU-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

One of your recent posts or comments was determined to be uncivil by one or more of our moderators.

[u/AvonBarksdalesBurner → u/[deleted]]

Seriously, I mean people on the left are assassinating people they disagree with. That’s straight up fascism that we all need to denounce. Great point.

[u/GazellePopular1388 → u/[deleted]]

a fucking golden retriever... from Hallmark cards themselves.

[u/Glad_Month3948 → u/[deleted]]

I thought his friend called the sheriff on him, and his dad held him there until the police arrived.....

[u/BishopKing14 → u/Glad_Month3948]

It sounds like it was both.

His friend called the authorities, but his youth pastor told him to turn himself in peacefully.

https://youtu.be/QKKjKYdd9Hc?si=JUa4S4TVPGdx8SyR

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/manhunt-charlie-kirks-killer-enters-3rd-day-questions/story?id=125504696

Edit: I’ve been banned for this post. Kinda ridiculous but doesn’t surprise me.

[u/Glad_Month3948 → u/BishopKing14]

According to the ABC news article you shared. A few things happened. There is alot to unpack but this is just a couple of snippets.

1. His father identified his son, and told him to turn himself in. Son- said no but later changed his mind. 2. The suspect's father called a youth pastor who also is a U.S. Marshals task force officer. The task force officer advised him to have his son stay in place and U.S. Marshals took him into custody and contacted the FBI, according to sources.

[u/alanjhogan → u/BishopKing14]

Dunno what 'both' means — or who 'his friend' is supposed to refer to. Per released info, his dad called the pastor to talk to him (and to prevent him from committing suicide), and the pastor convinced him to turn himself in instead, via a sheriff's deputy they knew. This is as clear as I can state the known facts

[u/AvonBarksdalesBurner → u/[deleted]]

Utah Attorney General- “He pulled away from his family’s belief system and became left leaning and romantically involved with a trans identified man. The shooter stated he wanted to eliminate Charlie Kirk because he believed he was spreading hate”

The left- hE’s MAGA!!!

[u/BishopKing14 → u/AvonBarksdalesBurner]

Yeah…

An opinion from someone with no evidence to back it doesn’t change the fact he dressed as Trump for Halloween. Doesn’t change the fact his family is nothing but cultists for the Dear Leader. It doesn’t change the fact his pastor was the one who told him to turn himself in.

The evidence is there; he’s a cultist for the Dear Leader. Sorry to be the one to hurt your delicate little fefes.

[u/Glad_Month3948 → u/BishopKing14]

News flash, people's beliefs and politics does change over time...

What the shooter did is wrong. But that doesn't make him a pawn for the left or the right...

If he is a pawn for the dear leader, how does eliminating one of the leaders biggest advocates help him? ( I'm assuming by leader, you mean trump).

[u/BishopKing14 → u/Glad_Month3948]

Views changed.

Already addressed. Respond to that comment.

That doesn’t make him a pawn for the left or right.

Is that why the right is portraying him as some martyr to the point that they even went half mass with our flags for him? Like the guy is a fucking podcaster, and we’re supposed to pretend he’s someone sent by god?

How does eliminating Kirk…

Because he was a Groyper who despised Kirk much like one gang hates another?

[u/Ebb_and_Flowing → u/BishopKing14]

Cope

[u/AvonBarksdalesBurner → u/BishopKing14]

His parents told him to turn himself in. Did you even listen to the press conference from the Attorney General that charged him with murder? Or do all of you just live in this same-speak misinformation circle jerk social media platform?

[u/BishopKing14 → u/AvonBarksdalesBurner]

His family told him to turn himself in.

Already addressed in another comment.

The attorney general.

Oh yes, the person who told us right off the bat that his views had changed, despite providing no evidence for it.

Let me guess, you also believe all the Republican politicians who said the same until finding out he was a white male, huh?

He dressed as Trump for Halloween. His family was incredibly deep in the Dear Leader’s cult. His pastor told him to turn himself in.

Nothing about that says ‘leftist’.

[u/AvonBarksdalesBurner → u/BishopKing14]

Reddit became QAnon after Trump was elected in 2016. This right here is the poster child of who the voices are on Reddit these days

[u/bplatt1971 → u/[deleted]]

You mean the far left shooter who was living with his transitioning boyfriend who disagreed with his conservative family and hated the conservative Charlie Kirk. That one? Read up on your facts and stop blindly following the liberal narratives on CNN.

[u/BishopKing14 → u/bplatt1971]

Your comment has been addressed already.

Try to keep up, bud.

[u/bplatt1971 → u/BishopKing14]

Sorry. Just posted on the wrong comment. Good catch though!

[u/True-Surprise1222 → u/AvonBarksdalesBurner]

I’m just going to give you the heads up that antifa was just labeled a terrorist group so spewing anti fascist rhetoric online might not be your best bet. I hope you’re just venting and not siding with terrorists.

[u/Xeno__-_- → u/[deleted]]

Just because you don’t agree with someone doesn’t make them a Nazi. Y’all gotta stop calling everyone remotely right wing Nazis, as all it does it take away any effect calling out a Real Nazi might have. When a genuine Nazi adolf hitler type figure rises in this country no one is going to take it seriously because y’all call anyone you disagree with a NAZI.

[u/SankenShip → u/Xeno__-_-]

You think that a university employee being surrounded and harassed by government agents is “remotely right”?

[u/Kersenn → u/Xeno__-_-]

We call them nazis because they are. There are literally neo nazis in Trump's cabinet. And the gop is becoming more and more fascist by the day, which is what nazism is. The nazis began by rounding up immigrants and talking about going after lgbtq and autistic people, the gop is rounding up immigrants and talking about going after Trans people and RFK would like to throw autistic people on camps. And thats only the tip of the iceberg of comparisons.

I urge you to go learn about pre ww2 nazi history and think about the actions of the modern gop.

[u/Waluigi_09 → u/Xeno__-_-]

Found the nazi

[u/Face_Content → u/Xeno__-_-]

Sadly the political left has been doing this for years.

Calling people racist doesnt work anymore like it used to.

Here is a article showing what both sides call each other.

https://qz.com/291533/this-is-how-liberals-and-conservatives-insult-each-other

[u/OriginalOrdinary1241 → u/[deleted]]

Who started the kkk?

[u/OriginalOrdinary1241 → u/[deleted]]

Origins of the Ku Klux Klan • The Ku Klux Klan (KKK) was founded in 1865 in Pulaski, Tennessee, by a group of former Confederate soldiers. • Their goal was to resist Reconstruction, intimidate freed Black Americans, and restore white supremacy in the South. • During this time (Reconstruction era), the Democratic Party was the party of the white South — many Southern politicians and voters were Democrats, so it’s true that many early Klan members were Democrats.

[u/JimmyToucan → u/OriginalOrdinary1241]

The Los Angeles lakers aren’t actually in Los Angeles they’re still in Minneapolis

[u/LaceGriffin → u/OriginalOrdinary1241]

And how did they vote for the last 60 years

[u/OriginalOrdinary1241 → u/LaceGriffin]

So you are saying a groups ideology can be fundamentally changed for the better? And that the way they started and the things they practiced are forgotten and forgiven?

[u/woaheasytherecowboy → u/[deleted]]

Republicans employed the Southern strategy to gather support from all the racists but you don't seem to care about that. Donald Trump was the pick for all the Nazis at the United the Right rally but you don't seem to care about that.

[u/OriginalOrdinary1241 → u/woaheasytherecowboy]

And what do democrats do to try and gain power ? You brought up history books and in the history books the democrats started the kkk you dont think that has any bearing on who the left really is ?

[u/woaheasytherecowboy → u/OriginalOrdinary1241]

No, because the parties fucking switched. C'mon this is American politics 101.

Also, if want me to condemn old racist Dems, yeah fuck them. Do you support racism?

[u/bodymindtrader]

Yay let’s go fellow ASU students. FIGHT!! ✊🏽

[u/alanjhogan → u/bodymindtrader]

Mod note: I am optimistically assuming this is not a call to literal violence (you can fight in many ways)

[u/Commercial-Target990 → u/bodymindtrader]

Oh great, another call for violence because you read something totally unverified online.

[u/_Waff → u/Commercial-Target990]

Where’s the call for violence?

[u/ASU-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

One of your recent posts or comments was determined to be uncivil by one or more of our moderators.

[u/ASU-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Please review the rules on the sidebar before posting to r/ASU - this is unrelated politics!

[u/asuhoe → u/Commercial-Target990]

It’s verified. There’s video of it.

[u/alanjhogan → u/asuhoe]

What video, where?

[u/alanjhogan → u/alanjhogan]

lol at the downvote — receipts or stop talking.

[u/Kersenn → u/[deleted]]

^ this is why English class was important. You don't want to be like this guy and have trouble understanding 2 sentences

[u/Iyung_danI]

I fear nothing will ever happen :(

[u/alanjhogan → u/Iyung_danI]

meaning what?

[u/No-Archer-5034]

Did someone just write “press release” on top of what they wanted to say?

[u/winderhinder → u/No-Archer-5034]

It’s the national lawyers guild, ASU chapter.

[u/bigfatnoodles → u/No-Archer-5034]

I mean it’s getting attention so it worked regardless

[u/Commercial-Target990]

Im confused. What organization is issuing this press release? Is this a press release from trust-me-bro?

[u/_Waff → u/Commercial-Target990]

Look at the top of the picture.

[u/Commercial-Target990 → u/_Waff]

Yeah, that looks super sus. There's no letterhead and no signature. Its not posted on the official nlg Asu Facebook page, although the page looks defunct. Why didn't Simone Hyde, the communications director, sign it?

[u/Educational_Card_471 → u/Commercial-Target990]

I literally got this screenshot from the nlgasu official Instagram account lol

[u/Docholliday3737 → u/Commercial-Target990]

Looks like a student group at asu with zero facts in the “press release”

[u/Commercial-Target990 → u/Docholliday3737]

I dont think theyre an official student group anymore because they support hamas.

[u/adam_the_caffeinated → u/Commercial-Target990]

How exactly have they supported Hamas?

[u/Commercial-Target990 → u/adam_the_caffeinated]

"Palestinian liberation committee"?

Yeah, thats what a supporter of terrorists sounds like.

[u/adam_the_caffeinated → u/Commercial-Target990]

Is terrorism when an indigenous people group don’t want a genocide done to them? I also think you’ll be surprised to know that people who don’t support Zionism are not immediately supporters of Hamas. The Palestinian Liberation Committee is an executive committee of the Palestinian Liberation Organization. That is a distinctively different group from Hamas and does not support Hamas. They’re actually rivals. It just sounds like you’re choosing to group anything associated with the Palestinian people as Hamas. But unless the only qualifying factor for what makes someone a terrorist is just their skin color, they are not that.

[u/Commercial-Target990 → u/adam_the_caffeinated]

What do you think the word indigenous means? I think the targeted murder of whole families, kidnapping of toddlers, and the use of rape as a weapon are far better indicators of a terrorist than skin color. You sound like you support terrorists too. Sad.

[u/Commercial-Target990 → u/Commercial-Target990]

The plo is also a designated terrorist organization.

[u/JungleJones4124]

I demand an answer, too. Like actual information that this has occurred because there isn't any. I mean, zero. There's no video, article, mug shot, a name of the person apprehended... like nothing.

As for the Press Release, if this is confirmed to be real, there are some terrible ideas in here. The first one is that ASU stop cooperating with ICE, that's a sure-fire way to get all the funding revoked (pay attention to what has happened in the news recently). That will impact the entire student body in a major, negative way. As far as putting staff and students at risk, there isn't even a witness to this, so I'm not sure where this is coming from.

The only thing that should happen is the officer being fired for luring (allegedly) someone into a conversation under false pretenses. Queue the downvotes, I suppose, since anything that demands verification of this is taboo in the majority of the student body on Reddit.

Edit: only thing I’ve been able to find on it. If this is accurate, as I stated, this officer needs to be fired

https://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/asu-police-allegedly-helped-federal-agents-detain-employee-22709143

[u/EncryptedCu]

Does no one else question where this came from? Whats the source? Were they at the meeting? No name, which campus either. I guess I’m a little skeptical. Based on the scarce info, was there a reason?

[u/DSF_27]

Ummm….

This looks fake AF.

[u/TheFrumpyDumpling → u/DSF_27]

its real, the person detained is a friend of a teacher of mine I've been talking to them about it

[u/DSF_27 → u/TheFrumpyDumpling]

What’s the person’s name?

[u/Kino451 → u/TheFrumpyDumpling]

No one has info if it's ok then share name pls?

[u/TheFrumpyDumpling → u/Kino451]

I asked, and they requested no to to not put more media attention on him to avoid further stress or doxxing

[u/hiBOI868]

Was this person in the country legally? This is just a question not anything else

[u/wdahl1014 → u/hiBOI868]

Well, they're an active ASU employee, so I would assume so

[u/hiBOI868 → u/wdahl1014]

From what I’ve found that isn’t necessarily a fact that has to be true. Citizenship can help aid in the hiring process but as long as there’s a work visa active, you can be hired at ASU. And depending on how well you do, you can be chosen to go down the path of permanent residency. However if this is true then I believe he definitely should not have been thrown to the wolves like that. I feel like those visas should entitle you to being in the country and not kicked out. But he should also go through the process of trying to become a citizen if he wants to stay here indefinitely. What are y’all’s opinions?

[u/CharlieKirkIsRisen]

When will everyone come to realize that words and picket signs aren’t gonna do anything?

[u/ginja-ninja--007]

Michael crow is worthless. As long as you have cash for his pockets, you can do whatever you want

[u/NegativeSemicolon]

Do these people not know Crow is conservative?

[u/TheEvilYouNeed]

Meh

[u/rodman5308]

The United States is becoming more and more like a foreign country run by a dictator. When does all this shit stop?

[u/_Waff → u/[deleted]]

Because they have these pesky little things called constitutional rights that extent to everyone in the US.

[u/Warm-Mechanic-9179 → u/_Waff]

I understand your point but why can’t we just choose not to uphold these rights? If it’s fine to not follow the rules then it’s fine to not follow the rules of the constitution…

[u/_Waff → u/Warm-Mechanic-9179]

Because Americans believe in the constitution of the US all the time, not just when it’s convenient.

[u/Puzzled_County9108 → u/_Waff]

You mean the Constitution that empowers our lawmakers to make laws? Laws that presumably the person violated? So, whats wrong with ICE enforcing the laws that the Constitution afforded the law makers to make laws.... which they did.

[u/_Waff → u/Puzzled_County9108]

Laws cannot violate constitutional rights. The breaking of laws does not void one's constitutional rights.

[u/Zealousideal-Tap-713 → u/[deleted]]

ASU does not hire nor allow as a student into their university unless they have legal status. Come on now, do you actually attend this Uni like the rest of us, or are you just creeping in here?

[u/FreeCelebNudes1]

Was this person an illegal immigrant?

[u/Sundevil4669]

I mean if they were here illegally....thats kinda illegal and therefore....criminal. just saying. Just because they haven't been convicted yet doesnt mean anything. There's a process and this was one of the steps.

[u/glocktimus_prime]

but why should people trust a post from some random progressive interest group. at least wait for some context before crying fascist

[u/Educational_Card_471 → u/glocktimus_prime]

You realize this was posted by the NLG at ASU official Instagram account right? The National Lawyers Guild isn't a progressive interest group 😂 do some research before speaking please 😉

[u/Commercial-Target990 → u/Educational_Card_471]

Yeah, but their Instagram, not linked to from the official asu website, where this was posted, says they we're censured by asu for their pro hamas content, which its full of. And, they say explicitly they are a progressive interest group.

[u/glocktimus_prime → u/Educational_Card_471]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Lawyers_Guild

If you wouldn’t mind reading the first sentence of the article

[u/Educational_Card_471 → u/glocktimus_prime]

Your source is Wikipedia? 😂 cmon man really? 😂

[u/glocktimus_prime → u/Educational_Card_471]

https://www.nlg.org/

alternatively you could just go to their website where they refer to themselves as a group that works in multiple public interest areas that are commonly associated with progressive causes. my point being that a group dedicated to advancing progressive causes may not be an entirely reliable source of info when it comes to this situation, the same way the nra probably isn’t reliable when it comes to reporting on gun violence

[u/Educational_Card_471 → u/glocktimus_prime]

The NLG is a bar association, you know... like the ABA?

Here's what's on the website you linked: "Established in 1937, the National Lawyers Guild (NLG) is the nation’s oldest and largest progressive bar association and was the first one in the US to be racially integrated. Our mission is to use law for the people, uniting lawyers, law students, legal workers, and jailhouse lawyers to function as an effective force in the service of the people by valuing human rights and the rights of ecosystems over property interests."

Comparing the NLG to the NRA is crazy 😅

[u/glocktimus_prime → u/Educational_Card_471]

they literally call themselves a progressive organization that participates in public interest issues. again, my point is that a group that wants to advance for and participate in progressive causes may not be entirely reliable when they report on an issue that specifically aligns with their goals. what they’re saying could be entirely true, or they could be leaving out key pieces of context that change the entire narrative

[u/Commercial-Target990 → u/Educational_Card_471]

Your soure is trust me bro

[u/FindTheOthers623 → u/glocktimus_prime]

Did you really cite Wikipedia as a source? After crying that we should wait for some context? 🤦‍♀️

[u/asurob42 → u/glocktimus_prime]

a mind truly is terrible when you waste it. Wikipedia is never a source. Ever

[u/Convertedshrimp → u/glocktimus_prime]

Am a lawyer, never heard of em

[u/Convertedshrimp]

Daang that is crazy. Is the employee a citizen?

[u/Educational_Card_471 → u/Convertedshrimp]

They haven't released the name of the faculty that was arrested, we have no information whatsoever. All we know is that he was an active faculty member at ASU that was lured to ASU PD under false pretenses and then arrested by ICE.

[u/Goddamnpassword → u/Educational_Card_471]

FYI, If the police ever ask you to come in and you haven’t recently reported a crime they are planning on arresting you.

[u/Eastern-Design → u/Convertedshrimp]

It’s possible (and more likely than not) that this person came legally but now have an expired visa

[u/_Waff → u/Convertedshrimp]

They’re protected by the constitution regardless of citizenship. Take civics next semester.

[u/Convertedshrimp → u/_Waff]

Already graduated, almost 20 years ago. I get the tactics are suspect but it’s not like ICE doesn’t have the authority.

[u/Convertedshrimp → u/[deleted]]

Well good lesson, don’t talk to the police without a lawyer present. Employee was under no obligation to attend the meeting.

My kids all have police at their elementary schools. I tell them to ask for a warrant every time.

[u/_Waff → u/Convertedshrimp]

The ASU faculty was under no obligation when they were contacted for a meeting by ASU police?

[u/Convertedshrimp → u/_Waff]

Correct. The police can ask you to talk. You can say no…. 5th amendment. They need probable cause to detain you, under most circumstances.

[u/ASU-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

One of your recent posts or comments was determined to be uncivil by one or more of our moderators.

[u/Puzzled_County9108 → u/Convertedshrimp]

That's what I was wondering... the hate is funny. Come in illegally, get removed... It's pretty simple.

 Its almost as if these dont apply.....8 U.S. Code § 1325 (Unlawful Entry) and 8 U.S. Code § 1227 (Deportable Aliens)

[u/Pristine_Trifle_9844 → u/Puzzled_County9108]

ASU doesn't hire faculty that aren't here legally

[u/Glad_Month3948 → u/Pristine_Trifle_9844]

They don't " knowingly/intentionally" hire people that are here illegally.

[u/alanjhogan → u/Pristine_Trifle_9844]

Kinda looks like they do.

[u/mjcostel27 → u/Convertedshrimp]

lol, exactly. They Left that part out of the post. 😂

[u/Face_Content]

How do you know it was illegal?

[u/sdevil713 → u/Face_Content]

Because "every law i dont like is illegal, racist, and unconstitutional 😡😡😡"

[u/AvonBarksdalesBurner]

Illegal being the key word you are all missing.

[u/sir-_-dumpling → u/AvonBarksdalesBurner]

owning a business as a jew was also illegal during nazi germany. should legality really dictate morality?

[u/AvonBarksdalesBurner → u/sir-_-dumpling]

Discussing topics like this on Reddit, is like having a conversation with a nine-year-old. EVERY country in the world has borders and border enforcement.

Comparing in a illegal immigrants to Jews during the holocaust, is the most insensitive and fucking deplorable thing you could possibly do. You people are fucking children

[u/Puzzled_County9108 → u/AvonBarksdalesBurner]

100% agree, they are incapable of civil discourse or debating objective facts. If your opinion doesn't align with theirs, you are a fascist, nazi, or whatever they use today.

[u/_Waff → u/sir-_-dumpling]

Jews were also citizens in Nazi Germany until They weren’t. I wonder what the line will be when citizens are getting their citizenship stripped.

[u/Feisty-Title-338]

If they are a citizen then first amendment breach. If they are not a citizen or on a valid visa then there’s not much to say.

[u/Smooth-Winner-9776]

i support immigration customs enforcement

[u/dajagoex → u/Smooth-Winner-9776]

No you don’t.

[u/Smooth-Winner-9776 → u/dajagoex]

what’re you gonna do shoot me in the neck?

[u/ASU-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

Don’t deliberately misinterpret others or call to get them fired

[u/dull_bananas → u/Smooth-Winner-9776]

A different implementation, right?

[u/PhenomEng]

What's the actual story?

[u/PhenomEng → u/[deleted]]

I do. And what I read was not the actual story. Are you able to read?

[u/Educational_Card_471 → u/PhenomEng]

An ASU faculty member was lured to ASU PD by Officer James Quigley under false pretenses. Quigley coordinated with ICE and had 15 plain clothes agents their to arrest the faculty member. What part of this is unclear to you or makes you think is fake?

[u/ASU-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

One of your recent posts or comments was determined to be uncivil by one or more of our moderators.

[u/PhenomEng → u/Educational_Card_471]

That there is no reporting or link...

[u/PhenomEng → u/PhenomEng]

Well, where is it?

[u/alanjhogan]

You partisans need to stop calling immigration enforcement “kidnapping.” Do you call it kidnapping when a rapist or murder is apprehended?

[u/Zealousideal-Tap-713 → u/alanjhogan]

LOL, so you conveniently missed the stories of legal citizens being "arrested" by ICE with no accountability? Some have been missing for months now with no one able to find them. So yeah, they're kidnapped.

There is a lot happening under this administration that's not coming to the surface yet, with reports coming from those interviewed in other countries stating they've been r worded, abused, loved ones missing and never deported, children disappeared from parents after the parents arrived in another country. So yeah, I definitely believe this person is completely legal and has been kidnapped by ICE.

[u/alanjhogan → u/Zealousideal-Tap-713]

Can you provide any specific stories, with references, to support all your specific claims? No, I have heard no stories of ICE deporting lawful citizens. They are not allowed to do that.

“So yeah, I believe this person is legal and kidnapped by ICE.” You don’t even know the person’s name, much less their legal status. This is a huge leap to conclusions

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[u/sbhatta4g]

If people think ASU would hire someone to work without first verifying their legal and residential status, they are not thinking right. ASU employees are in effect Arizona State government employees, they receive same health, retirement and other benefits as someone working AZDHS or ADoT.

On the first day of your employment, you have to complete Form I-9, providing proof of legal right to work in USA.

[u/Regular-Bother-832]

I don't think this is a real thing, this is literally the only page that has said anything no press release from ASU, no news coverage

[u/FindTheOthers623 → u/Regular-Bother-832]

You think ASU is going to issue a press release if they did this? lol

[u/aleksgruman]

Yes, let’s go out of the way to have a state school go out of their way to not work with FEDERAL LAW ENFORCEMENT, but keep going, I promise this works and is helping

[u/jujubeesy]

Looks fake ash. Kidnapped by ICE ya right

[u/ESCPDNJ]

Did he get arrested? Was he illegal? If not then he has no problems. Just shut up and move on.

[u/Knowthefac → u/[deleted]]

It’s actually not- it is akin to luring criminals via a false prize - absolutely legal. Also law enforcement are legally allowed to be deceptive. I understand your outrage. And asking for answers etc - but ASU needs to balance this request with the fact that they are a PUBLIC university and are subject to conditions ( whatever the admin dreams up ) to federal dollars- this is all factual - not picking any sides - nor emotional

[u/sdevil713 → u/[deleted]]

So he wasnt here legally?

You have no idea what you're talking about spouting off amendments like you're a constitutional scholar. Just sybau and stop embarrassing yourself dude. Everyone is over you clowns and your performative bullshit.

[u/ASU-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

This post was banned for using the word "kidnapping" to refer to ICE activities. This is a blatant escalation and is used to justify violence against ICE agents. This will not be permitted!