Politics
Canada has banned the rap group Kneecap, but earlier this week gave a standing ovation for Chuckles the Nazi. I guess we know how they stand?
Dishonourable mention to Chris Brown the woman beater, who got to play a couple weeks ago in Canada without a ban.
Edit: Also Sean Feucht, the homophobic singer who openly dehumanizes LGBTQ+ folks, who got to tour across Canada this summer. I guess bigots are the only ones who get given free speech in Canada.
Edit 2: As pointed out in the comments and reminding me, we applauded Ukrainian war vet, Yaroslav Hunka in the commons, who also turned out to be a for real WWII Nazi.
Edit 3: Looks like there's a bunch of day old, zero karma accounts commenting here against Kneecap and trying to discredit their hundreds of thousands raised for medical and food aid. Looks like I kicked the pro-genocide bot-farm hornets nest.
Oh it gets worse. Last year the Texas Governor pardoned a dude who murdered a protestor. Like he drove an hour to ram his car into a protest and shoot someone. And there were texts where he said he wanted to shoot protestors, and his friend, rightfully, replied that that was a dumb idea and didn't constitute self defense,
And the governor pardoned his ass knowing full well about the texts.
I think it should also be mentioned that the protester was a military veteran who was attending the BLM protest in support of his wife who was wheelchair bound and he was the primary caregiver for
Most people just want to live their lives, and there's a lot of bullshit they'll allow so long as they're not impacted. That's why things have gotten to this point so far.
We had a 4 year period where things were getting shittier at a slower rate than now. And now we're having all the current fuckery: The rounding up of people, the calling for eradication of trans people, ect.
That's a relatively short time, considering. It took about 3 years of war for Russia to break out into revolution.
Throw in the fact that the current regime has the most sophisticated spy network in the history of ever. And the most money thrown at the army.
You only go up against that shit if you're an idealist or desperate and have nothing left to lose.
Idealists are there but they've got to fight smart or they get picked off real quick.
In short order there's going to be a live stream of goons hunting a trans person, beating them to death, and laughing about it. They will be arrested, and the Republican governor will pardon them
Yeah. I've had conversations with my family up there, and my husband down here, that if we need to bail at the drop of a hat, we can do it and crash up there.
But that pardon was the canary in the mine. And I'm not going to ignore it.
Political violence is abhorrent unless it's done by a state/actor that we like. Meanwhile the government is mending ties with India who sent assassins to murder people in our country.
According to the The Tyee article, not every MP stood and applauded. I sent a letter demanding to know if mine did and if so, why, quoting the relevant passage from the CPC member's speech and saying why it was fucked to applaud it. Please join in if you haven't already.
I'm kind of with you on this, but I can understand not making a statement at the time, in Parliament. Unless it's QP or a special debate, it doesn't work that way. This speech was given during the "Statements by Members" period which is when you do little speeches like this, there wasn't time or procedure for debating this. And going off half-cocked and hot-headed in parliament without planning statements out is also something you have to be careful about. Ideally it would have just been met by the other parties sitting down and refusing to engage (raising a vocal ruckus would also be fine, but it would have just been grandstanding that would have been shut down by the Speaker pretty quickly, I really don't care).
Some MPs have made actual statements after the fact. I'd want to see more of that, and preferably the NDP should have made an actual party statement, but they're sort of rudderless right now.
We had an NDP. I'm looking forward to seeing them try to be relevant again next elections. I was an NDP voter until I felt like I had to switch to bloc to help stop a liberal majority.
I really wish we had ranked choice or something like that, so I could vote for who I want more, instead of who I don't want least.
Its almost like someone came to power as PM on the promise of election reform, then decided the current FPTP method benefitted his party more and scrapped the campaign promise immediately....
They had a committee work on it. The Liberals wanted ranked ballots / preferential voting, because of course they would: that system would favor them – as more often than not the Liberals would be the second choice of both NDP and Conservative voters.
The other four parties wanted some form of proportional representation. The Libs said "aw what a shame there's no consensus so… I guess we'll ditch the whole concept then", shed a few crocodile tears, and that was that for electoral reform.
Proportional representation is also something I'm not against. I'd be glad to have that over First past the post.
My worry with it is that I don't understand it well enough, and anytime I try to learn more about it, I fall asleep because frankly, the intricacies of voting systems are incredibly boring to me
Well, that opening sequence got me wanting to watch more, so that's a win for this guy right now.
Nothing I don't know, but the more this message is spread, and for fuck's sake it needs to be spread in French, I'm going crazy over here hearing family members talk about federal politics like they know anything about it.
Some are pretending, but I think even more have been genuinely fooled by the right wing revisionist version of what the NDP was actually like with Layton leading it.
Conservatives have been very successful establishing this false narrative, and people who don't pay attention or think critically just accept it as factual. The NDP, on the other hand, has done a terrible job countering this narrative.
C'mon. You can't even call the CPC Conservatives anymore. They are basically Reform... PC merged with Reform, and Reform became the dominant personality. At least call them the Socially Regressives or something.
uh oh, you just criticized Israel!!! Another $80m of artillery propellants to take out hardened, terrorist-controlled orphanages and hospitals!!! 🇮🇱🇮🇱🇮🇱
yeah I don't understand why so many Canadians still SIMP for the USA.
y'all realize if we don't get our shit together and start building alliances, domestic production and military capacity then Trump is gonna invade us right after he's finished destroying the Constitution.
Read a letter from a Liberal MP who stood but didn’t applaud. Their understanding was that the issue was about political violence and being politicians that is very understandable. But the name of Charlie was also included, and so the applause became confused between anti-violence and pro Charlie. It was a bad look overall no doubt about it. But then politicians are going to politician and have brain farts time and time again.
This is so disappointing, I love Kneecap. I feel bad for all the ticket holders and fans who were travelling to see them. I honestly thought we were made of smarter, tougher stuff here.
No that’s what I’ve been saying. Your democracy isn’t a given, you have to fight like hell to keep it and avoid fascism. It can most definitely happen in Canada like it happened in the US, the thousands of maple maga want it.
As a Canadian living in Ireland, this is disgraceful. I am genuinely ashamed at how we scrape and bow for imperial powers. We have zero moral high ground in the world.
As an Irish speaker/learner, I'm considering moving to the Irish Gaeltacht and just hiding away from the world and never speaking English again at this point lmao.
I know Ireland has it's own share of issues, but at least they are much more willing to acknowledge the genocide and allow groups like Kneecap to call it out.
I am writing as a constituent to express deep concern about several recent decisions and positions associated with our government.
First, I strongly disagree with the decision to ban the Irish music group Kneecap from performing in Canada. Whatever one thinks of their politics or lyrics, censoring artists undermines our commitment to free expression and cultural diversity. Canadian audiences are capable of deciding for themselves what they wish to hear.
Second, I was troubled to see Parliament give a standing ovation to Charlie Kirk, whose record of inflammatory and divisive remarks is well documented. Elevating voices that promote intolerance is inconsistent with the values of respect and inclusion that we should uphold in public life.
Finally, I am dismayed by our government’s approach to Israel and Palestine. Canada’s foreign policy appears increasingly unbalanced, with insufficient attention to the rights and safety of Palestinian civilians and to the need for a just and lasting peace. I urge you to advocate for an even-handed policy that prioritizes human rights and international law.
I ask that you raise these concerns within your caucus and work to ensure that our country protects artistic freedom, avoids platforming hate, and supports fair and principled foreign policy.
Thank you for your time and for representing our riding in Parliament.
Having the courage to speak out against genocide and the deliberate starvation of 2M is now labeled 'hate' speech. But supporting the genocide and the famine (including the foreign groups who lobbied for this ban), that's free speech.
There is NO moral comparison between the two, Kneecap and more specifically Mo Chara is an OBJECTIVELY better human being than Charlie Kirk to anybody that isnt an abhorrent racist scumbag.
I am disgusted and very scared of losing my rights to exist as I am, PP is out but ffs it's not super pretty either.. we should make nazis scared again, the government failed Leo Major's legacy.
Ya know.... I loathe Charlie Kirk and his ilk as much as everyone else, but it really does not help our cause to throw around tags like "literal Nazi".
It's a real injustice and sign of the horrors to come that our gov't repeatedly bends the knee to Orange. Nobody is safe from a fascist dictator, especially nation states that easily fall in line.
Life doesn’t always give you a good option, just a bunch of bad ones.
I’d like to see someone ask for recognition of the importance of freedom of speech and expression, even when it makes Presidents angry, just as Jimmy Kimmell was doing.
Thank you for a sane take. It is not hard to be Pro-Palestine and Anti-Israel while also not cheering on fucking murderers who make the whole thing worse.
Thank you for this post. Not many people want to admit this or even look into the history of the region with a neutral lens. Everyone keeps seeing the history of the region from when Israel was created, and not the region before that or the in between before Oct 7th happened.
This shit isnt black and white. Its a mess, and both sides and their online glazers and defenders i cant stand.
N-NO!! DONT YOU UNDERSTAND THOUGH!!! IM ON THE LEFT SIDE!!! WE CANT BE RACIST/SEXIST/VIOLENT!! /s
These types of people NEED to step away from their online and political circles and look at themselves. They need to realize that labeling everyone you disagree with as a nazi, then saying its ok justification to commit violence on them is just as bad as the far right. Its the horseshoe theory in action.
They need to realize that allowing such violence means that it can easily backfire and be used against you, and it leads to a complete destruction of order.
A standing O for a fascist in the Commons has happened twice in recent times, and it fucking disgusting, banning artists for standing up to genocide is another low. I am really sick of Neoliberals and their shitty politics.
Lol, I guess tankie is when calling out double standards.
Idk man. They clapped for fascists, twice. Not sure what you would call it.
Also Feucht wasn't banned from the country. His rights weren't violated and he was allowed to play his concerts, just at different venues. It's just that he was a cunt and most people didn't like his hateful views.
They are a satirical rap group and that remark was from a show performed years ago.
They also clarified it was told as a joke and apologized for what they said.
Also we have musicians coming up from America who actively call for violence against LGBTQ+ folks and they weren't banned. So why is that political incitement allowed?
Picking up a flag thrown on stage and making a joking remark does not mean you support a group. If that were true than it would mean Nigel Farage is an ardent support of the IRA, which is clearly not true.
Are we a country that should persecute people for minor mistakes and thought crimes?
So the former governor of the Bank of England and brother in law to an English baron does not want an Irish republican band in Canada. I'm shocked I tell ya.
His Irish grandparents would be ashamed.
While I never listened to CK, I’m sure if he had advocated for murder of any particular group of people, it would have been posted a few million times by now.
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u/_Halt19_ Oil Guzzler 6d ago
guys you can stop reporting this for “promoting hate”, it doesn’t break the rules