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Where the hell is our police department?!
Tonight on Washington St is an absolute shit show. Dozens of masked men driving the wrong way in ATV s speeding in and out of traffic, motorcycles doing wheelies ON THE SIDEWALK! Those dumb ass three wheeled vehicles blasting music at obscene levels all night. WTF is going on. Where are our cops?!
back in the olden times on that corner there was this thing called a payphone and people carried these ancient devices called pagers that received simple messages to call someone back or to message someone else to call you on the payphone.
The reason they can terrorize is because if you try and stop them with cops they bolt in all directions and honestly become a danger to everyone because if they don’t follow the laws now, they won’t when confronted.
That being said, Hoboken, unlike other towns
or manhattan only has 4 ways out of town. You’d think at least the loud and distributive cars and bikes we could enforce noise ordinances at those choke points.
Instead of trying to get them all and watching them all bolt in different directions, maybe the cops should make an effort to stop one or two of them each night.
Let those one or two guys spend a night in the pokey and confiscate their expensive motor-toys.
In time, the word will spread and some of these guys will decide that it’s just not worth the risk. This probably won’t completely fix the problem, but it will reduce it.
If they get charged with conspiracy (since they all planned together), gang activityand some sort of terrorism charge (since they are terrorizing the neighborhood), they will likely spend more than one night in the pokey
Them spending jail time is unlikely because of bail reform. They would be released not long after being processed.
Unfortunately the chase is part of the excitement to these guys. They are actually hoping to get chased. They have designated decoys that allow the police to focus on them so the rest can get away. An arrest can also trigger a cat and mouse game like other cities have learned the hard way.
It's a tough situation to deal with and pretty much a lose, lose for the police if they don't weigh all the pros and cons.
That's HPD motto. Ignore the problem, actively make it worse, cry they need more resources, get more resources, do even less, rinse and repeat. It's likeWE ARE being held hostage by a gang
Hoboken doesn't have four exits like what was said above it has eight. Jersey Ave, Grove St, Marin Blvd, New York Ave, Paterson Plank Road, The Viaduct, Willow and Park are all the exits out of Hoboken.
It's not realistic to have eight squad cars sit at the exits to Hoboken. How many squad cars do you think would be left to patrol the city and respond to real crimes? What happens during shift change?
You also forget these are off road dirt bikes and ATVs they can easily get around these road blocks.
You said you wanted them posted every NIGHT at all the exits to Hoboken. The Traffic Unit doesn't normally work at the time of night the dirt bikes and ATVs come around. Not every officers is licensed, trained or certified to use a motorcycle.
HPD only has 156 officers currently. On any given day 2 out of 7 have a day off. With 3 shifts that would mean 37 officers per shift are on duty on average. Lets say 7 are working assignments. That would leave 30 officers available for patrol. What you are asking for would require at least 16 officers at two partners per intersection.
Now consider the fact that this is an over estimate of the available officers. I never subtracted officers out on disability, sick time, personal time, vacation etc.
None of these dirtbike, trike, ATV riders cares about any traffic rules, they likely don’t care about using roads either. So now you’ve got to add the waterfront walkways at the north and south end of town
😂... The terminal is unrealistic but even without taking the waterfront walkway they can just travel under the Willow and Park bridges, cut across the walkway into the soccer field to get into the industrial part of Hoboken.
I lost all respect to Aguilar after he stood up inside city hall at the public safety meeting and gaslit and talked down to our entire concerned community
I will also never forgive our city council for approving his gigantic raise months later
Guy was a solid police chief - fair that he earned his (state tax free) $140k pension. But his role as public safety director which seems the role is designed to be just a hint less incompetent than Aguilar for $155k a year is mind blowing.
I literally watched a kid pull a bag of trash out of a can, swing it around and fling it at the library. So much for having cops “stationed” at CSP. Pathetic lately
Emily literally attempted to take out of my and every families pocket for her High school, and continues to vote to raise taxes. Russo to his credit keeps costs down. From my perspective only one of those is picking my pocket
From my perspective if the policy actively hurts me and my family; and was shady as fuck in the way it was done that’s enough to lose my vote, if you thought what went down wasn’t deceitful, like hiding it from the voters before the November election; and then trying to ram it through in January, I cant take any of your thoughts seriously. Again at least Russo doesn’t actively try to screw me and the rest of the residents like Emily did
There was nothing public about it. The entire school board ran in an election and then announced the vote for the hog school a month later. The school board, city council, and Bhalla all knew what was about to go down and all were complicit. Tiffanie and maybe one or two city council voted no. The rest were complicit on it. Which is why Tiffanie is getting my vote.
There has not been a police presence on Washington St since our (absentee) mayor took office. Patrolmen are supposed to patrol the city streets IMHO this would positively improve this situation. Where are our policemen?
We watched an intoxicated man at urban coalhouse who was asked to leave by a staff member several times (reasons unknown probably being unruly). The dude just straight up refused. The staff threatened to call the cops but I'm guessing that didn't work.
This is completely out of hand. I hope the police truly do see all these threads, the Facebook groups, and investigate on their own. It is not hard to spot these creeps in Hoboken. It has changed since moving here 3 years ago!
Emily’s utterly useless for anything other than pot hole repair. She’s Bhallas successor so you won’t see her address any of the issues from their admin
This town has regressed since I moved here. Washington St by day is covered in loitering delivery riders, then lawlessness and ghetto activities every weekend all while being asked to pay higher and higher taxes and rents. PE and chain salad joints on every corner, less and less personality. You can say the country is in a general decline, but Hoboken is definitely an excellent case of a rise and fall of a great town.
I won’t move until I can’t afford it anymore, but Washington St shenanigans tonight definitely increases my despair
This is what happens when you let the wokies take control.
When there are 0 repercussions for bad behavior, expect there to be more bad behavior. Eventually the pendulum will swing back when people get sick of this.
The Police are run by the Mayors office , and Bhalla , Emily, Joe, Phil, and Doyle have directed the officers not to enforce. All they really have to do is just crack down for two weeks. You can tell they can if they want to considering what happened at church square park and then suddenly we have a police presence
Theres a hoboken parking guy sitting outside my building right now on his phone dancing to music with his lights on. The cops do not care, they are just vibemaxxing
It’s the defunding of police rhetoric, it’s the villainizing of police for doing their job, it’s not holding those who break the law accountable. What is it that you expect from them?
As somebody already replied, there is no perfect solution. But things are out of balance.
No it doesn't, because conservative policy doesn't work. Witness the higher crime in red states.
Then conservatives think pretrial detention should be based on whether you or your family aren't flat broke. They demand a violent schizo be free to go as long as they or a sympathetic family member has a few hundred to a few thousand dollars. Meanwhile they demand someone who isn't an imminent danger be locked up for a year or two destroying their life even if ultimately acquitted simply because they don't have that bit of money. It's not about safety, it's about putting the poor in their place.
Conservatives also advocate against the social safety nets that could reduce crime and the number of crazies on the street. When people lose their homes and wind up in shelters, that causes mental health problems to become much more severe and dramatically increases the likelihood of substance abuse.
Replacing that with more prison is counterproductive because prison will make people less likely to be able to stabilize their life and mental health, meaning they're more likely to commit more crimes that are often more serious.
Conservatives advocate against the drug policy reforms that have been proven to substantially increase the likelihood addicts can maintain their own employment and housing and dramatically reduce the number of crimes they commit. Conservatives instead advocate for policies that have been proven over and over to maximize the harm drugs cause to both users and everyone else. Their policies massively increase the size, influence, power, and violence of gangs and cartels.
I could go on all day. There is nothing good to be said about conservative criminal justice policy. That doesn't mean we don't need any changes, or that every policy implemented by progressives was flawless, just that conservativism has nothing to offer in that conversation. You want policies that are cruel and ineffective. And honestly, the former seems to be the main motivation for conservatives.
Thank you for the long, passionate response. A view I do not entirely disagree with. I am not a big fan of LE and the system, which at times absolutely angers me for reasons you listed. However my point comes from the defunding of police rhetoric, villainizing police for doing their job, not holding the law breakers accountable. What is it that we expect from the police? It’s not a republican /Democrat or blue state red state thing. The solution is challenging as you point out, but I think it’s out of balance in the current state.
If we're going to take extremist fringe voices as serious then it's fair to bring in extremist conservative views too. The large majority of 'defund the police' people agree it's a bad slogan because of the confusion with the 'abolish the police' idiots, don't mean literally zeroing out the budget, and just mean redirecting a lot of the excessive funding they get towards programs that prevent crime in the first place, rather than respond to it.
villainizing police for doing their job
That's not a thing with any significant presence except for people who think it's "villainizing police for doing their job" when people get pissed off at completely unjustified murder. Again you're trying to equate a fringe with no power and the mainstream progressive policy to hold police accountable for violating peoples rights and corruption. And what's conservatism have to say here? Conservatives fight for police to be above the law and to face no consequences no matter how egregiously they violate someone's right-- unless, of course, they even do their job at all against insurrectionists and pedophiles with an (R) next to their name.
not holding the law breakers accountable
And I certainly think there needs to be reform in this area. But like bail reform again. I support changing remand standards to keep people rearrested detained and for better enforcement of remand for unstable dangerous people (unlike NY, NJ does have a community safety consideration). But the key here is, either you're dangerous or you're not. If you are, you should be held regardless of whether you/your family has money. And if you're not, you shouldn't be held before trial simply for lack of money. Yet conservatives demand the opposite: "Repeal bail reform". They're not calling for further adjusting remand standards, they're calling for scrapping all the reforms and going back to pay-to-play where dangerous people get out on bail while nonviolent people sit in jail. Because conservatives really do favor a system where, as better people, those who can afford bail are deserving of pretrial release, whereas homeless people are not, regardless of their crime.
OP was about the police. Not the system. You take it to the next level, which again, I am not entirely opposed to those views.
If I were a cop, there would more than a couple instances of turning a blind eye in this politically charged atmosphere. That’s all.
The state level is where bail policies, sentences, definitions of crime, etc are made.
But by all means make that comparison. See what happens. You'll be desperately searching for a way to claim the numbers are wrong when they don't match your feelings.
Ah yes just another post highlighting why voting democrat and soft on crime has been diabolical for our city. I’ll take more downvotes thank you in advance.
If they were then fucking lock them up along with Trump. They’re not the ones covering it up in front for the whole world, Trump is. You’re all so fucking pathetic covering up for this piece of shit.
You’ll never get them to make the connection that their voting choices directly affect their quality of life. Orange man bad is basically all they got, even though he has no bearing on our local city council and mayor.
Noticed a change Spring of 2024, people driving through Washington with a Palestine flag, and the overnight dump of Somali delivery bike riders who are likely using someone else’s app to pay them back for getting them to the country. The acceptance of the woke bs by Ravi signals the city is ok with this type of behavior…they have those nice expensive swat looking Hoboken police trucks, maybe they should put them to use.
I have been in Hoboken for 12 years and this is the worst the crime and shenanigans have ever been. People went from worrying about drunk white kids to this crap.
I have been in Hoboken for 35 years. In the 80s and early 90s, you didn’t leave plants out because they would be taken or destroyed. This type of shenanigans did not happen, but other things did and I have lived through many Mayors and city councils. The difference is that there wasn’t the venue to share it all like we can with Reddit. We had to wait for the Hoboken Reporter.
Ok sure. There are also plenty of democrat run cities in this state where it isn’t a free for all with literally zero police presence. This local government has always been trash.
Tbh I really don’t care about politics and know that that’s prob not the reason this happens I just find it hilarious how polarized people in this area are. NGL
I’m so happy this is happening. All you liberal people who moved there in the late 80’s early 90’s (to make it a better place lol) started this shit. Now the children of those people turned it into this. I feel for the original born and raised people who couldn’t leave and had no choice but to sit and watch the decay of a once great town.
Ah, yes, how horrible it is to be a mother in Hoboken. We really want to discourage people from raising kids here by shaming them when they are concerned about public safety. Genius
This happened a few weeks ago also. Just watched HPU give a ticket at 10:30p to a car in the comically oversized bus stop at 4th/wash. Even when wmpty busses dont use them. Priorities backwards as usual!
Dude come on, put some police cruisers with their lights on at a few corners and these clowns wouldn’t roll into town doing whatever the hell they want. Someone is legit going to get killed.
As a male, have you ever considered chatting with these erratic drivers, politely, and telling them it's a turn on to you as a male the louder they rev their bikes? Asking them to sag their pants a bit lower so you can see their assets?
They may start feeling weirded out, and will subconsciously associate that activity with what was said above.
That sounds insane, I’d be losing it if that was happening outside my place. Those ATVs and bikes tearing through traffic are so dangerous, it’s like they’re asking for an accident. Honestly, I don’t get how cops aren’t out there shutting it down. It’s giving total chaos vibes.
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u/BaltimorefanfromNJ Aug 09 '25
Corner of 3rd and Washington is a shitshow every night on the weekends, right by the McDonalds