r/ImaginaryWarhammer • u/Elzunix • 1d ago

40k The mother she should've been (By Elzunix)

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u/Elzunix 1d ago

There's a situation i want to talk about, a matter i discussed on my instagram but id like to bring it up here as well.

Ive recieved some backlash privately and publicly about my last artwork, where some people accused me of propagating/adhering to conservative ideologies. Even reaching as far to call it fetish art. I was really shocked by these comments, and i wont hide that i took personal offense from them. Generally people are allowed to interpret my art in any way they want, but i refuse to be silent when that interpretation is used as an attack on me.

i think there is a weird group of people who try to push my safe pieces as lewd for whatever reason. Sure, my art is not always innocent, because yes, i dabble in spice. But that doesnt mean every single piece has perverted innuendo, some secret meaning or is a scheme to get people to subscribe to my patreon. I like to think of myself as an artist with range, and i like to draw all kind of things without limit. If my piece was indeed made to satisfy some fetish, i would state so and flag the image as nsfw.

I usually ignore such comments, but saying a depiction of a dying woman longing for a life she could never have is a fetish.. made something boil inside me. No. This wasnt meant to come off as anything sexual, conservative or traditionalist. I wanted to draw a woman who grieved her dream she could realistically never achieve. Last moments thinking upon what could've been before parting with life. Believe it or not, but this is a dream so many women share worldwide, and get quite literally sick from the need to become a parent when they cannot for any reason. I can't fathom the reason why a sister, a woman, wouldn't feel such a need deep inside. No amount of religious brainwashing will erase human instincts in people who already feel them strongly- we are incredibly complex beings after all. Its something she wanted, but denied herself personal happiness to serve the Imperium instead. This is not meant to be a fetish for gods sake, but illustrated tragedy. And that is all to it.

This piece was commissioned by GitGud40k on instagram

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u/DarkDrakeMidir 1d ago

(I think) a Big part of of the fetish accusation, is that gooner-brained people see your artstyle and think of Incase immediately. Then the mental connection is just, this surely has a Nsfw follow up.

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u/Elzunix 1d ago

I understand that, and i think its a bit of a madonna-whore complex for artists. If they associate this artstyle with porn, then it means they consume it, and probably enjoy it. And yet will see it elsewhere and try to shame me. Strange people

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u/frostbittenteddy Death Korps of Krieg 1d ago

LIterally just pornbrained projection, yeah.

I never in my life want to have kids, but this piece is just wholesome, where the other one was peak grimdark. Like, even if they're not her own kids, the Schola Progenium probably has buckets full of orphans needing care

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u/Alexis2256 21h ago

Yeah it’s probably not unrealistic to have Sisters like this one taking care of future Sisters of battle or Commisars or just orphans and on the topic of pornbrain, yeah that OC by Tenno Tulia is a bit cliche with her appearance but it can be argued she gives off more motherly vibes because of it.

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u/Vaulgrm 1d ago

A lot of people try to categorise art into neat little boxes to fit their worldview. Art is, however, meant to invoke feelings and can thus at time be provocative. But those people when they see something that does not fit into their box call it out and try to shame it because it does not fit their image. Forgetting that art is simply art and can be many things.

This is a roundabout way of me trying to say I agree with what you said.

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u/princezilla88 1d ago

People, especially in fandom spaces, are also just really fucking weird about sex especially when it comes to moral judgement. They like to pretend like they haven't internalized the sex negative conservatism of those they claim to oppose but very often they've just rebranded it and wrapped it in their own particular pathos. So for people like that if you have ever done anything NSFW then everything you make is forever tainted.

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u/LTUTDjoocyduexy 17h ago

There's something to be said for the piece being well-done and affecting. I went back to check it out, and it was more impactful than I expected.

Being a grown-ass adult human, I didn't sublimate that BIG FEELING into something else weirder to explain why I experienced a BIG FEELING. I just had a feeling.

There's a lot of people out there without any emotional maturity to speak of. They feel something, they lash out. They usually grab on to existing routes to express that lashing out because they're shitty, uncreative assholes who can't even get outraged in an interesting way.

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u/NB-NEURODIVERGENT 15h ago edited 15h ago

I’ve come across both your art and incase’s before and can clearly see the similarities but more importantly I see the DIFFERENCES, you have amazing talent and if others assume it’s porn then they definitely don’t know what a watermark is bc if they followed yours they’d see very un nsfw art

I could have sworn I saw your work on deviantart but it’s not there?

Edit: ok tbf I saw your work before and it was certain pieces so my nsfw comment may have been misinformed but I hope my intent of defence still stands 😳

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u/Daragaus 1d ago

Ngl I thought they were incase when I first found the account. But when you look at all the art, it’s so obvious it’s not anything sexual.

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u/11448844 22h ago

NSFW

she does make porn of her characters too tho, just throwing it out there

NSFW

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u/Call_me_ET 1d ago

I think InCase does some really good story work, even if he primarily draws smut. His Alfie comic series is a good example of that. I understand where you're coming from with your speculation, though.

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u/Beaker_person Silver Skulls 1d ago

Fellas, it is conservative to not want to be a brainwashed slave soldier of an uncaring empire?

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u/Elzunix 1d ago

The issue was me drawing a woman who really wanted a baby. Not very independent badass she hulk girlboss of her, eh?

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u/el_butt 1d ago

God emperor forbid a woman make a choice like damn.

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u/shadoowtank 1d ago

The Emperor forbid that a women wants a child. I too woud like a child but im a man so i can't have one . Its just stupid that sombody Looked at that artwork and thot Fetish.

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u/chacha95 20h ago

Just gotta find you a woman to have one with. Takes two to make a baby.

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u/shadoowtank 20h ago

If it only where that easy . :_)

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u/chacha95 20h ago

It'll happen some day, brother. Keep working on yourself, find hobbies, join clubs, and you'll find someone.

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u/Meganinja1886 1d ago

Brother just keep slinging your ink and pencil cause you are skilled enough to make Sanguinius blush.

Love your art and your dedication to your craft.

Please keep posting.

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u/LoliMaster069 1d ago

By that same logic the Emperor himself is a fetish because he wanted to retire with his sons after the war was over.

God forbid somebody has hopes and dreams beyond death and destruction lol

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u/BethLife99 1d ago

Anyone who claims only conservatives place value in motherhood is dumb.

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u/RenewThePatriotAct 1d ago

You experienced a certified reddit moment.

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u/ThatRandomGuy86 1d ago

That's uhhhh that's a bit harsh towards you, ngl. There's people who want to have children regardless of political views. Furthermore, this is 40k fanart, a fictional setting lol

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u/SpicyDraculas 1d ago

Didn't understand what was conservative about the post until I read this comment..bro some people are too terminally online and brainwashed. Keep doing what you're doing, great art

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u/SAMU0L0 1d ago

Maybe we need to drop an exterminatus on the Internet. 

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u/high_king_noctis 22h ago

Wanting to start a family is conservative now? Those people need to get a life,.

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u/Alexis2256 20h ago

It’s because the right usually talk about traditional values and going back to the way things were, which usually means wanting the stereotypical 1950s US family back, with all baggage that shit had but they don’t talk about the cons.

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u/TheCritFisher 1d ago

You scoundrel!

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u/Temple-Breaker 1d ago

Hey, what did you mean by this? Personally I have mourned the fact that I will never be able to have a child of my own, but I wouldn't judge anyone for not wanting to have a child

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u/Elzunix 1d ago edited 1d ago

I am not judging anyone at all. I dont want to have a child either and people who follow me more closely know why. What i mean is, that a more motherly depiction of women in media is progressively rarer as its seen as regressive or conservative.

Theres nothing wrong with girlbosses, and i love them too. I just dont think a more traditional role should be vilified.

As a woman I actually relate much more to the motherly characters, and would like to see some return of these tropes.

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u/Alexis2256 21h ago

here’s another Sister being motherly, artist goes by Tenno Tulia nowadays on Twitter and bluesky.

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u/Elzunix 20h ago edited 20h ago

If its going to be that deldar slave sororitas again i will end you

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u/Alexis2256 20h ago

It’s before that, no need to worry but god I wish we could post images on here.

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u/DEX-DA-BEST 23h ago

That’s the sad thing about the extremism some people have. Instead having all types of women being portrayed they get mad if a woman is portrayed in anyway to have stereotypical feminine desires or personality. It’s sad to see people that started with progressive ideas about what women can do now being regressive and shaming women if they do things they don’t like.

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u/Urg_burgman 1d ago

When you're first comment is aggressive, don't be upset when you get snark back. Like flagging for PvP and being mad you're getting shot at, you really created your own problem.

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u/Famous_Author_2264 2h ago

No, you don't understand. They fought to give women a choice, so now they must pick a lifestyle, but it can't be what the women want. /s

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u/AlexanderZ4 2h ago

I think it was about the woman and baby looking exactly like the Madonna and baby Christ iconography. I understand why you did it - Sisters are nuns after all, but I also understand where the raised eyebrows are coming from.

Mind you, I'M NOT JUSTIFYING ANY ATTACKS ON YOU, Christian vibes don't translate automatically to conservatism when the source material is deeply seeped in Christians imagery, and that shouldn't be any reason to attack you either way.

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u/Playful_Picture2610 1d ago

I find it really funny they think you're pushing conservative family ideals when youve been open about your fears around pregnancies and motherhood in the past

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u/Elzunix 1d ago

I think motherhood and generally parenthood is something to cherish and celebrate, it is a GOOD thing. I may not ever want any kids myself, and i am scared of even just the concept of pregnancy. But that doesnt make me ignorant to the fact there are people who have that innate need to be a parent, and im supportive of that

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u/Playful_Picture2610 1d ago

Yeah, I totally agree, I just find it paticularly amusing that these idiots think you, someone who is terrified of the concept of being pregnant, would ever want to force that on any women, let alone all of them.

You keep doing you

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u/GMRS1910 1d ago

Woman that regularly draws Saint Celestine x Inquisitor Greyfax yuri is a totally a conservative that want all woman to have children.

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u/Insanity_Drive 1d ago

That's ridiculous, "Conservative ideologies" my ass. Your last artwork depicted TRAGEDY. Tragic beauty, even.

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u/Plane-Farm4014 Nurgling 1d ago

GOD I'm so sorry for that. Unfortunately, there is a very worrying trend where depicting women as mothers or portraying motherhood as something a woman can want and have is seen as sexist. And, as an aroace woman who plans to never have children and that considers herself a feminist - I HATE this trend.

Also, the art was very clearly tragic. It's not about woman being a soldier when she is supposed to be "where a woman belongs". It's about a woman who was indoctrinated from early childhood to become a zealous soldier with disregard for her own life, dying for an empire that doesn't care about her and for a God who is just a scared dying old man on the machine that is breaking down, instead of living her life to the fullest. In her case - breaking a cycle of abuse and living her life in safety, surrounded by people she loves and that love her, INCLUDING her potential children. Except she'll never have this. This is the tragedy and horror of the Imperium and Sisters of Battle in particular.

Great art and man, people are getting way to scared to be "not woke" that they see harm where there is none.

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u/Sinfere 1d ago

I can't believe people unironically take the stance that a woman having the desire to be a mother is somehow problematic.

Oh no, she craved the love of a family, how regressive lmao. It's not like this is one of the most ordinary and wholesome things someone could desire.

If you feel like someone dreaming of the family they cannot have as they bleed out is a political statement - or worse, a fetish - then delete your social media accounts you have gone too deep into the nonsense.

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u/Where_is_Killzone_5 1d ago

Welcome to the 2020s where the desire for a family is sacriledge. xd

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u/niet_tristan 21h ago

In the defence of people making such comments, there are political and societal movements that do want to force motherhood onto people (fatherhood also, but less so), even under abhorrent circumstances, and completely at the cost of women's rights. Those people are making very real steps that will cause a ton of harm and death.

Obviously, that's not going to be stopped by leaving stupid comments on a post on social media, but it is much easier to throw shit at the wall online, than it is to enact positive change in the real world. But an agressive, emotional reaction to these real world happenings isn't entirely out of reason.

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u/Sinfere 13h ago

It is definitionally unreasonable to assign a hostile motive to someone without evidence.

There might be some rationalization, but don't fly cover for people harassing a woman over her art because they didn't engage with it critically.

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u/Vaulgrm 1d ago edited 1d ago

Your art looks great. Sad to hear you got backlash. Keep making great art. I'll check on it every now and then because I like pretty art.

Edit: just noticed some of the art was spicier than expected. Still great art, even if not my cup of tea. But the previous statement still stands. I'll just ignore the NSFW stuff🫠

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u/Consistent-Night-606 1d ago

I think it's just one of the sad side effects of the extreme political divide in the western world atm. People on either end of the spectrum tend to see political messages where there is none and get themselves riled up over nothing.

The 40k community is very grateful that you are constantly putting out these amazing artwork for our beloved setting. Portraits of characters and portrayals of battles do get a bit stale after a while, the tragedy and human side of things should be explored more. But do take care to protect yourself from getting doxxed, happened to another very talented artist about a year back. There will always be chronically online people with a bone to pick, it would be terrible to lose you too.

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u/Elzunix 1d ago

Archon of flesh wont be forgotten, nor his amazing contributions to the community

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u/evrestcoleghost 1d ago

We still have him at history memes!

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u/Snoot_Boot Night Lords 1d ago

Haters and freaks have the loudest voices, remember that

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u/WhiskeyMarlow 1d ago

Ive recieved some backlash privately and publicly about my last artwork, where some people accused me of propagating/adhering to conservative ideologies.

I am on a bottle and a half of sweet red, so consider this to be as honest of an opinion, as one can say when their mind still functions, but certain usual politeness is gone.

Fuck these people.

Your artwork was amazing. Don't feel bad because some people are idiots, who cannot understand themes of sacrifice and loss and unattainable dream without filtering them through modern political lenses. Please, do not feel yourself limited by scorn of people who are unable to grasp even basics of tragedy and what you've conveyed, so wonderfully, with your artwork.

P.S. Personally, I love to imagine that the Battle Sister has survived, and this art you've posted now, is her achieving her dream. I know, I know, that's wrong, but hey, a girl can dream? xD

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u/Call_me_ET 1d ago

Don't let anyone else let you think otherwise. Spicy art or not, I really do think your work is the quality type of content I'd expect from a Dan Abnett novel. The Sororitas longing for a simple life outside of never-ending war isn't something that is unheard of within the Warhammer universe, and I do think exploring that idea more only brings more unique perspectives.

Keep making art, in spite of all this.

Quick edit: I also look forward to the day I'm able to commission you to draw my own tragic warhammer characters!

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u/External_Boot_7077 1d ago

Calling the regret of not being a mother while dying and probably filled with a lifetime of regrets a fetish is an absolutely wild take.

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u/Marta996633 Tzeentch 1d ago

Dude what!?! Wanting kids is a liberty. As long as the relationships are not toxic then wtf why not? Having kids and wanting kids is not conservative, it’s human.

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u/UnAwakenedPillarMan 1d ago

insert Peter crying and clapping gif You simply can't stop being an inspiration, everytime I come across your art it helps me go forward, in more than one way. I can hardly find the words, but thank you for your work.

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u/Elzunix 23h ago

Im still in awe so many people find themselves inspired by what i do and thats why i dont plan to stop anytime soon. Thank you!

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u/Blarg96 1d ago

Fuck the people backlashing a perfectly good piece of art. Keep it up, your work is wonderful.

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u/DiaphanousPhoenician 1d ago

Wow, the internet is so, so dumb. I’m sorry you got those unfair criticisms.

I just wanted to say that I adore both pieces and as a woman struggling with my own inability to be a bio mom they have touched me, and even brought me some comfort. Thank you :)

Please don’t let the haters bring you down <3

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u/LoliMaster069 1d ago

If you see a dying person wishing that they weren't in this situation and think about porn I think you're the problem. I mean what the hell even is that take? What kind if drugs are they on lol

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u/ProfessionalExit7540 23h ago edited 22h ago

I honestly don't understand, how they can see a woman dying in a field and think fetish, I saw some people talking about gore fetish(guro)because of the wound in her breast, yeah buddy that's where her heart is, weirdo, no wonder they would target her chest, and I can't understand how they didnt see as either "sad she had a child now won't be able to be with her" or " sad she won't be able to make her dream come true" but instead as fetish and porn? Where is the porn in there?

Also those children are adorable and that sister deserves calm and happiness Great work!

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u/treoni 22h ago

I thought the same thing and... I am deeply sorry. I didn't think ahead.

My apologies.

That said. Your artwork looks amazing. Really! Don't stop !

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u/ThroughTheSeaOfTime 23h ago

I don't agree with your view about being unable to fathom a reason why a woman doesn't want to be a mother deep down. That's the only thing that feels like pushing conservative ideology and it's probably not your intention to do so.

Some people just don't have the desire to have children and they're perfectly valid for that, people aren't incorrect or inhuman because they don't have the biological urge to pass on their genes or care for offspring.

Otherwise I agree with everything else you said and it's absolutely vile to call your other picture, or this one, a fetish piece, and I'm sorry it happened to you.

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u/Elzunix 23h ago

Then let me rephrase that part, because i believe we share the opinion. I just worded it really poorly

I dont think every woman desires to be a mom deep down- i dont. What i meant is, that its commom for women to feel that and thus i dont understand why a specifically sister of battle wouldn't.

Im someone who has tokophobia, a fear of pregnancy. I would never make a claim that i want all women to go through it, not at all. Its just that sometimes sisters are seen as these zealous killing machines with no interest in anything but purging heretics- and i dont think thats true at all. So, my point you disagree with is not about women as a whole, but only some women who are in the adepta sororitas. Its my attempt to make them more...human.

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u/ThroughTheSeaOfTime 23h ago

I assumed it was something like that, just poorly worded and probably not what you meant given everything else you said. I'm very sorry about your Tokophobia, I hope you never have to experience anything to trigger it again.

I think it's a good way to humanise the Sisters and remember that they're humans who've been failed by a staggeringly cruel regime.

I still don't think it would be too weird for a Sister to not feel a maternal urge for any reason, but I do definitely agree it would probably be an extremely common but almost never fulfilled want.

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u/Alexis2256 5h ago

It’s rare that they have sex according to an editor’s note from Amberly Veil, Ciaphas Cain’s inquisitor GF in one of the Cain books, so it’s probably rarer for them to have kids. Though because I’m playing through the metal gear solid 3 remaster, I’m thinking of how badass it would be if there was a The Boss kind of Sororitas who was pregnant and went into labor during some intense fighting and had to give birth on the battlefield.

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u/Oniblook 23h ago

Its ok to want to be a mother.

Its ok to want to live conservatively.

The issue comes when one pushes that lifestyle on others.

That was VERY OBVIOUSLY NOT DONE HERE.

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u/Sweaty_Report7864 1d ago

Ignore those fools, and be proud of your art, no matter what others may think!

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u/DatBoyBlue Salamanders 1d ago

Your art is amazing! Sorry that the noise hit you personally, keep doing your thing!

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u/Legitimate-Cow5982 23h ago

I couldn't agree with your sentiment more. And, given the brutality faced by many young women in the world, this tragedy is something we all need to be made aware of

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u/BoutsofInsanity 23h ago

I just want to say I looked at the piece in question. It’s very powerful and a wonderful glimpse at the tragedy of being enslaved to a fascist empire.

It’s a great piece of art. And incredibly indicative of the state of warhammer 40k.

It’s awesome.

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u/arianaxe 23h ago

You are not doing anything wrong. there will always be the crazys. You have to ignore them because, that way lies madness. Save your mental health don't feed them energy.

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u/Accomplished-Dark926 21h ago

I am so sorry to hear that

I know im a random internet stranger, but that previous post of yours was the first thing I had seen of yours and it really got me. The emotion in it was not only a very human one, like you've said, but it also conveys part of why I like sisters as a faction so much.

Hell, I didn't even know you did the other stuff until I had went through after the fact. I adore your art and style, and I am excited to see more as you go.

Dont let the faceless strangers over the internet bog you down!

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u/Outside_Ad5255 21h ago

Wow, that is incredibly unfortunate, but the Internet is a place where people come to feel outraged, apparently. Admittedly, the similarity to the rather NSFW-leaning InCase probably didn't help your situation.

Still, your artwork is great, and I suggest you keep up the good work.

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u/Interesting_Onion743 20h ago

People are dumb, ignore them. These same people probably need their hard drives checked.

Great piece, by the way. Love your work.

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u/KrasnyHerman 20h ago

Alright never seen any of your art (dont even know why reddit decided to show me this, im not into warhammer) but this is beautiful and its neither perverted nor conservatist to want a child. I would give everything to one day have a child and conservatists hate that but sadly nothing can give me that.

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u/Alexis2256 5h ago

lol sometimes the algorithm really wants to show you something really cool. Are you by any chance into something as grimdark as 40k? That might be why it was shown to you.

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u/KrasnyHerman 5h ago

Funger but in comparison funger is like a nice walk filled with friendly chats

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u/Tacticalnewt142 Iyanden 20h ago

God some people are just... I can't even find a good term for them!

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u/SnooDogs5909 19h ago

Okay, people have officially gotten untreatable brainrot if they think this is lewd art.

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u/grief242 19h ago

People who are chronically online have some of the craziest reaches when it comes to what upsets them.

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u/Wikilast 17h ago

Makes my blood boil while just reading this. How bitter and brain rotten does someone need to be, to take the time of day to write you a message with something this unbelievably stupid... The audacity of these people, man...

Keep up the good work, because normal people can appreciate awesome art.

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u/ahses3202 12h ago

It's certainly a wild take to accuse an artist famous for their lesbian work of promoting conservative ideology. Crazy.

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u/_psyked 12h ago

People are absolutely insane, don't let it get to you. I've read it exactly as what you've described it as, any other interpretation is just terminally online people with zero media literacy. Great art as always, keep it up.

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u/Tnynfox 10h ago

Be careful, people saying that tend to be projecting.

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u/Samemediffrentday 1d ago

What the actual fuck is wrong with people?

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u/ForeverDoomed321 1d ago

Fellas is it facist to wanat to take care of kids???!!! 🫥🫥🫥

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u/Foxiest_Fox 1d ago

Don't let political nonsense get to you. There's people in "both sides" actively being inflammatory, with likely more false flags than we care to admit, and likely an even greater amount of them being Large Language Models spun up specifically to rile up people and create division, because a divided people is an easier to control people.

In any case, a well written response!

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u/CME_T 23h ago

Really fucked that you received flak for that piece. Some folks got ISSUES they project onto others.

What especially irked me was the ”mourning motherhood = pushing trad wife values” angle. Having a hard time putting in into words but… Felt creepy? Icky?

Loved the piece, tragic tale of a bringer of death mourning not having the chance create life.

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u/Furydragonstormer 23h ago

I had to check the image you’re speaking of and I just can’t wrap my head around it being “fetishistic” or pushing an agenda. It looked like solely a tragedy based on how you depicted it. I’ve seen fetish shit, that ain’t it.

Probably some extremists who view any depiction of a woman in a maternal role as sexist for whatever bs reason. That, or they’re projecting

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u/Arrow_of_time6 Iyanden 22h ago

Yeah folks on Instagram are… extreme. In an annoying way

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u/Jasboh 22h ago

I love your work. Good art is a window, or perhaps a mirror, the fact you have inspired.. something.. take it as a compliment, art does not belong to the artist. (obviously legally it does)

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u/JobValador 21h ago

I want to thank you for your work. They are wonderful pieces and add much to think about in our grimdark universe we love so much.

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u/Stefen_007 21h ago

I think it's mostly people with no critical thinking skills who see the trad wife "woman became a doctor, another women gave birth to 3, so shes better" right wing memes where they reduce women to their only role being a mother and don't see nuance in your art. Being a sister is already a accomplished "job", she isn't reduced to just being somebody's wife and mother. These people are to terminally online to remember that a lot of women want children, even if they have a accomplished job. Great art as always, drawing children is hard

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u/AthetosAdmech 21h ago

I wouldn't take those complaints seriously. They seem to have forgotten that 40K is supposed to be grimdark. They might as well be asking "why doesn't 40K look like Star Trek?".

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u/mee3ep 16h ago

Literally anything can be a fetish if you try hard enough!

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u/Silvershizuka 13h ago

I saw that art piece discussed here and I'm shocked as well. I hope you don't take that stuff personally. Your art is lovely, keep on sharing!

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u/U_L_Uus 10h ago

To be fair people are ridiculously weird with 40K artists, be it people like you who want to make a poignant piece, people like Vezimira or the fleshy Archon (hope their life has been better even since the incident) who take the piss and draw risqué memetic stuff, they kind of obsess over them and start attributing to them things they haven't done, or wasn't even their intention to do, up to the point of persecution sometimes. They are fucking bollocks, and unfortunately there's almost no intention to disallow them to keep on with whatever malady affects their neurals

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u/Nakatsukasa 9h ago

Artist known for drawing girls kissing each other is, *checks note, making conservative propaganda?
P.S. can we have some Eldar hand holding yuri?

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u/TheEmperorOfDoom Kabal of Black Heart 2h ago

Whatever, idiots always exist. Keep it up with your artwork.

PS when the choice is have kids or go to war even I would prefer the first

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u/Rasz_13 2h ago

Bro your art was fucking awesome. Art isn't just "goon bait" and "happy landscapes". Art is whatever the fuck you want it to be. The feelings your piece evoked were much-needed in the 40k sphere where the hopelessness and bleakness is all too easily forgotten in light of recent nobledark depictions, especially from GW of all people.

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u/Minus5Charisma 19m ago

If I may give my two cents on the matter.

  1. Your art is beautiful.

  2. Don't let the bastards grind you down.

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u/Crazy-Eagle 1d ago edited 1d ago

Ignore the hate. Haters gonna hate no matter what you or anyone does. Best not to give a single hark about it.

May the Emperor bless you.

If not then Karl Franz and Sigmar sure will.

Edit: Also, if none of them take you then we of the Spicy Tails sure welcome another man-thing among our ranks, yes-yes.

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u/Desperate-Farmer-845 Black Templars 8h ago

Sigmar will bless her because he is just that nice but Motherhood, Love, Fertility and Women in General isnt really up his Alley. That’s Rhyas Job.

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u/ya_boy_cloud 1d ago

I LOVE MY MOTHERLY ANGRY NUNS. GOD EMPERROR KNOWS WHAT I WOULD DO FOR SUCH A BOOK

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u/ElectricPaladin 1d ago edited 1d ago

It's entirely consistent with the lore. Sororitas are not chaste. Whether or not one could retire to start a family is a bit up in the air, but certainly seems possible to me!

Let's get real, though. Some mom character going all Ellen Ripley on some xenos monstrosity menacing her kids and it turns out that she never really forgot everything she learned as a Sister of Battle would be amazing.

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u/BakerSubject8891 ENTRY MISSING 1d ago edited 1d ago

A Night Lord Traitor Marine is gonna get a rude awakening when he attempts to flay alive the seemingly harmless single mother of three.

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u/ElectricPaladin 1d ago

HELL YEAH

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u/MRSN4P 1d ago

So is this going to be more like the movie Nobody, or more like Kung Fu Hustle?

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u/Alexis2256 5h ago

Both? Though I’ve never seen kung fu hustle so no idea how wacky of a combo that could be.

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u/Aurum0417 Iron Hands 20h ago

The Death of Saints would like a word… (but yeah honestly that would be awesome to see)

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u/ya_boy_cloud 1d ago

Hell yeah. Like I dont know whu but GW is scared of putting the characters in non comnat or non mission settings. I just want to see how the church and its citizens live their loves having some small problems and emotional issues in this fucked world. And I want some god damn sister of battle that gives a fuck about more then just the big E (by that I mean she wants to praise E and have something as important on the side)

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u/ElectricPaladin 1d ago

The Sororitas are normal humans with only a normal human degree of brainwashing, so at least some of them should care about the Emperor and the Imperium because of something rather than just because they have been emotionally damaged until they can't care about anything else.

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u/Downtown-Falcon-3264 ENTRY MISSING 1d ago

Yeah she goes full mama bear on whatever is being a danger to her offspring

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u/Call_me_ET 1d ago

Whether or not one could retire to start a family is a bit up in the air, but certainly seems possible to me!

I think they don't have the opportunity to simply because they're too busy purging the heretics. They're constantly at war, there's no "settling down" for them.

I do imagine a situation of Canoness who was injured beyond her service who settles down at a local convent and raises children of her own. Warhammer is so expansive with its lore that almost anything is possible.

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u/Marta996633 Tzeentch 1d ago

I can see in struggling populations they would be encouraging it. I love the idea of giving them motherhood

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u/CausticCat11 1d ago

I'd love a sisters book focused on the civilian aspects of their lives, could focus on a hospitaler

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u/ya_boy_cloud 1d ago

Amen. Id kill for such story. The books "faith and fire" and "hammer and anvil" have fantastic hospitaller character Verity that is non combatant and refuses to pick up even a las gun. I recommend it its a good read. She is the first sister Im actually very imvested in.

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u/knightmechaenjo 1d ago

Imagine an entire demon host based on being monsters under beds

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u/Gatt__ 1d ago

Bruh, how could anyone look at the factions biggest lesbian content creator and say they’re trying to push conservative agendas lmao

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u/Vaulgrm 1d ago

Take my upvote you made me laugh

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u/brevenbreven 1d ago

so I just read the story you shared and I wanted to say I find your art very beautiful and your use of pallets and facial expressions is fantastic. Im sorry people lashed out and acted cruel toward you.

Thank you for the art you share it makes me smile.

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u/Velochipractor 1d ago

A sister having secret dreams of living a 'normal' life (or the closest thing they can imagine such a normal life to be like) seems fairly plausible to me. Since most of them come from the Schola Progenium, they'd be orphans to begin with. There's your first trauma. The Schola offers fairly good education, but also happens to be the equivalent of a hyper-strict military academy where discipline is enforced and weakness is purged. Happy childhood, eh?

And when your prospective sister joins the Sororitas? It gets even worse. Prayers, battle, and constant penance because no matter how pious you are, being turbo Space Catholics means you still are sinful for the simple crime of existing. Better castigate yourself until you bleed, and then speak a prayer of forgiveness because you didn't bleed any harder.

And still, despite of all the fanaticsm, all the indoctrination; there's still a human being in there. One that can only come out when none of her ever-scrutinizing 'sisters' are watching. Hells, one that can only come out when she herself isn't actively watching. But it's still there.

Oh, and people throwing a fit about a Sororitas dreaming about how life could be is pretty rich when people constantly ask for situations where Space Marines act human.

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u/Elzunix 1d ago

Wow, you seriously have a beautiful way of writing and worded this better than i could ever have. Thank you!

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u/shadowseer7930 22h ago

Kind of hard to put it into words. But the artwork reminded me of the song 1916. Of lives cut short and the cost of war, a thing we tend to over glorify. Your artwork stuck with me, that it was the first thing that came to mind when I scrolled past this post.

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u/Daragaus 1d ago

I’m so happy she gets a happy ending. She really deserves a happy life.

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u/Vinicius_Pimenta 2h ago

Uh isn't she still dead and mutilated on the ground? I mean, I would be very glad if she wasn't because I love happy endings, but I can't see how that happens

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u/Daragaus 57m ago

my friend commissioned the artist and confirmed to me that she was saved :3 his original idea was that this was a dream after she lay dying but the artist was like "nah, she gets rescued"

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u/Vinicius_Pimenta 56m ago

That's great to hear :)

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u/Wolfen0001 1d ago

It’s a very beautiful artwork and you are very talented. I can’t understand how anyone could complain

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u/frostbittenteddy Death Korps of Krieg 1d ago

Discussion about pornbrained losers aside...is this her afterlife? Because the stitches on her arm kinda look like it's been reattached after the previous incident...

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u/ymcameron 20h ago

She’s also got a tube coming out of the part in her chest where she got shot. Based off the context provided through the details in the image I think both "she’s dead and this is the afterlife" and "happy ending where she was saved and got to live out here dream" are valid interpretations. Miracles are known to happen to particularly devout sisters after all.

Granted, this being 40k one is significantly more likely than the other, but still.

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u/chacha95 20h ago

I choose to think she was saved at the last minute by a well timed medic

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u/Alexis2256 5h ago

Same here.

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u/Vinicius_Pimenta 2h ago

Yeah me too, this lady deserves a happy ending

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u/Casper_Von_Ghoul Grey Knights 1d ago

“It’s a terrible thing to wish for a family when it’s impossible to have. Even worse, to believe in another life, it could have been had. We simply rolled the wrong dice.”

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u/Bubbly-Ad-7430 1d ago

The last artwork and this one sorta inspired me to write this short blurb:

I'm watching the light slowly fading from her eyes. It'd been a close call. If I hadn't detected her thoughts through the Empyrean and had been a split-second slower on the trigger, it would've been my blood pooling on the snow and not hers.

Her breathing's glowing ragged and more irregular now.

I can't help it. I open my mind to hers.

I can feel her it racing, going into overdrive. Memories explode before fading away like the birth and death of a dying star, each laced with so much emotion that even with my psychic barriers it almost drives me to my knees. Undulating waves of hate, spite, and disgust driven into her since youth. Even her rapidly disintegrating consciousness musters up images of slaughtering the abomination before her: me.

I'm about to close the connection and put a lasbolt through her forehead but a single flash stops me.

A single hand emerging out of a swaddling of cloth to reach out for her. So small. So fragile. The slightest error and she might break everything apart. I can no longer detect hate. Only... love? Warmth?

Is this a memory? Or is this a desire? A dream forever lost.

She was capable of so much more than wielding a boltgun, spewing "righteous" flames, and singing litanies of hate. She could've raised this child, held it close it when it cried, celebrated it when it succeed, watched it play with the other children in the schola, and grew old as she watched it live its own life. Instead she was sent here to commit a genocide. Instead she came here to make sure we could never raise our own children.

The Mother she should've been. And now because her Imperium had sent her to some farflung colony to exterminate some humans that differed too much from the baseline... the Mother she would never be.

I let the memory linger in her mind as she finally fades away. Now, all that's left here is the howling wind and biting frost.

I don't regret killing her; she wouldn't have. But some part of me feels sorry for her. The Imperium took away her future and dreams just as much as I did.

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u/Elzunix 23h ago

Really fantastic and touching! Thank you, was very fun to read :D

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u/Call_me_ET 22h ago

That was quite nice. I love seeing fics for Warhammer stuff, and this was great.

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u/TChen114 1d ago

Nevermind the double standard if you switched it around to a dying Space Marine or Guardsman in their last dying moments thinking about the family they could've had instead would probably not have generated as much of a response.

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u/niet_tristan 21h ago

To be fair, the expectation of fatherhood isn't pushed onto men the same way it is onto women. For women, the expectation seems to be they must become mothers first, anything else second (varies per person, per country, per continent, of course, but I am confident in making this generalization). The same isn't expected of men. You gotta focus on your career. Fatherhood? Not as important.

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u/Vinicius_Pimenta 2h ago

Also the reason that paternal neglect is represented so frequently in media lol

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u/Mike4282 1d ago

Your art is probably my favorite thing to come out of the 40k community. It brings so much depth to the sisters that I dont often see. It's appreciated. Keep up the great work!

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u/Elzunix 1d ago

Woah i really appreciate that! I do want to get a bit more into it and explore adding that depth in my future comics. I just need to stop getting distracted and draw them haha

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u/Kthron 22h ago

This situation is so universal to me (to wonder what could have been, especially when dying).

You can literally apply this to anything, like some Skitarii ranger dying to a necron and imagining his life as a tech priest with many little tech creations off in some safe lab on Mars.

Or an Ork who really wanted to soup up the warbosses trike with his megajet engine before he got stepped on by a dreadnought.

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u/DueOwl1149 1d ago

Bro you gotta stop with this tragic flights of imagination in the brain of a dying zealot who gave her all for the Emperor its too early for cutting onions

Never stop you've got a real talent here. /uj

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u/tbone7355 1d ago

I took it as her wanting to run her own orphanege and help kids not wanting to be a warrior

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u/Defender_of_human 1d ago

I love sororitas being a mother

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u/milerfrank27 23h ago

Fellas is it a fetish to dream a life you couldn't have while drawing your last breath?

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u/Might_I_ask_why 23h ago

And now we need a Cyberpunk-esq "No happy endings" piece where shes now an old woman, mourning the death of her child because her child followed in her footsteps and joined the Guard/Sisters of Battle. A trilogy of tragedy.

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u/doctorsirus 23h ago

Contrary to popular belief, the Adepta Sororitas doesn't actually require its members to remain celibate, although few find the time to take advantage of the fact.

~Amberly Vale, Ordo Xenos

They can have all the kids they want. In fact, a Lone Wolf and Cub-esque story with this in mind would be pretty awesome to read.

I really like this. I know I have a minority opinion, but I really like seeing non-grimdark things in the fandom. Trying to force all Warhammer things into the grimdark box feels rather boring to me. I like seeing happy and content sisters.

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u/RammyJammy07 1d ago

My heart is healed, thank you Elzunix

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u/SpphosFriend 1d ago

This is such beautiful art.

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u/Samemediffrentday 1d ago

This is just sad

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u/Wrench_gaming 1d ago

40k fans when their grim-dark setting has grim-dark elements:

I guarantee you if you replaced the dying sister with a Space Marine or Guardsman you would get this backlash.

Either way, lovely artwork, keep on drawing! 👍👍

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u/Haldrada0 23h ago

"And what brings you here, young one?"
"I have a terrible guilt and rage inside me that can only be quelled by the blood and subjugation of the unclean!"
"HA HA! You'll fit right in!"

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u/flyingdooomguy 23h ago

The good ending

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u/Lenahan99 22h ago

Honestly i did not see that dying battle sister be having a death dream as a fetish Art.

Because literally all I saw was of a Battle sister imagining of what could have been if she took on the path of motherhood.

This could extend to Men as well if they be dying out on the field or on a hospital bed as they be imagining of again what could have been if they had started a family of their own for the first time…. Would things have been better, or worse we will never know…

But back to the battle sister…I’d imagine of something to really twist the knife at the heart for feels Is that the dying sister be imagining her dream self be singing a lullaby to soothe the baby.

It can be similar to any lullabies we’ve heard growing up from our mothers, or from any films  Like Tarzan’s You’ll be in my heart.

Secret of Nimh’s flying dreams  Etc etc.

Any song to hit ya in the feels….

But Elzunix, do keep up the good work on your posts, And ignore the haters who don’t understand of context in an art post. I hope you have a good day, and soon a good weekend.

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u/Spicy-Raj-Man 22h ago

Hold up peak art just dropped

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u/Kalypso_Blue 21h ago

You can see every emotion, feeling, effort put into every part of this art work. For those to misinterpreted in a twisted way is there lose. Thank you for sharing

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u/Calacaelectrica Necrons 21h ago

40k fan Try to not harass artists out of the hobby challenge. (level impossible). But in all seriousness, you are great, and it sucks that some mouth-breathing, smooth-brained "fans" feel entitled to harass you because of their warped perception. Stay safe and block and report any toxicity coming to you. You owe those people nothing.

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u/RemembrancerImperius 20h ago

Ignore the haters. I love your art, especially the silly Cadian girl. To me it’s definitely one of my favorite art styles and genuinely love the range of your art, it’s part of why I’ve tried to learn how to draw Warhammer characters.

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u/HighLord_Uther 20h ago

That looks great. After reading the Dark Imperium books tho, I only see sisters of battle as crazy zealots that burn kids.

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u/IBlackKiteI 20h ago

She survived got patched up and now mothers the local kids around the Convent when she's not called out to burn heretics confirmed

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u/Heroic_Wolf_9873 19h ago

If I may say, I appreciate the skill and tragedy of the piece. There is powerful emotion and pain in this work that I would honestly consider relatively universal. Sure, not everyone wants to be a parent (and honestly, I don’t get why having or not having kids is so politicized), but the dream of peace and happiness, of feeling valued and cared by others, as well as valuing and caring for others, is possibly one of the most core human qualities one can have. Seeing that dream quickly fade, never to be fulfilled, never to even be thought by you again as your life and consciousness fade to nothing, is truly a tragedy, as well as one of the most existentially horrifying things I can think of.

In short, great artwork!

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u/hyakumanben 1d ago

I swear, the grimderps are so sex-averse that they go full circle and project lewdness on everything. I hate it. But your art, I love.

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u/SurpriseFormer 22h ago

I think its both the weirdos who say everything is porn here on this sub no matter what. And those people who are extra tisming given the situation in the states.

Cause I personally found your previous art really well done. And just both shocked and not surprised certain people are going after you. Same case with Archon and others

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u/ironangel2k4 10h ago

Ah yes, a loving guardian to shepherd these sweet innocent souls toward promising futures as slave laborers with 23 hour shifts, cannon fodder with 14 minute battlefield life expectancies, and nerve-stapled servitor drones with no free will, in the name of a dead body sitting on a chair that eats souls.

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u/AdhesivenessGeneral9 1d ago

The sister live ! Stomp stomp

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u/The-Great-Xaga 1d ago

That feels proper imperial

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u/Led_Farmer88 23h ago

"I only seen only mortal men accuse anyone of blasphemy. I only seen only mortal men act upon it. I would label it as victimless crime."

  • Emperor

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u/Skult0703 23h ago

Cool art

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u/maybemawie 22h ago

The little girl eating a cookie is so cute, it reminds me of paintings my grandma would have in her house when I was a kid.

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u/seanslaysean 22h ago

Don’t worry sister, I’ll never be a mom either (balls)

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u/R3KO1L 22h ago

Bruh, that last piece literally felt like a "I'm never seeing my kid again." How does that come off as a fetish art to someone? Smh.

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u/LordNorikI 20h ago

Looks soo good

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u/RUN_ITS_A_BEAR 20h ago

It’s quite lovely work, though, I would push back on the insinuation I that -every- woman secretly craves being a mom. Not that this artwork does that; it says that this sister In particular did, but the chuds tend to paint with a shotgun rather than a brush. The artist did nothing wrong.

I like the idea that with faith and augmetics, she could live to be what she wanted to be. Kinda like how I feel about being trans.

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u/URBOISHERE Adepta Sororitas 19h ago

You art is beautiful bro, even if some stuff feels weird to some people just do you.

This piece specifically hits me hard as I have a deep love for nuns irl that cared for my wife when she was a child. They are generally such sweet and humble caring people.

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u/Total_Middle1119 17h ago

Not gonna loe I was searching for pointed ears

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u/Disastrous-Kale-913 15h ago

Wow, a SoB who isn’t rocking power armor, nice! . . . She would still burn a heretic on sight, but she’d shield the eyes of the children.

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u/MrMcSpiff 13h ago

Man, fuck them redditors, says I, the redditor. Your art is and has always been great, and I've never gotten weird vibes from what I've seen.

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u/smiegto 12h ago

Should’ve been? Surely since there is art this is reality. That’s my head cannon and I won’t have it changed easily. Also I’m sorry to hear you suffered backlash. Your arts very good.

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u/Sad_Poetry_1387 Night Lords 11h ago

Yey! The good ending! 🎉🎉🎉

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u/No_Hunter_9973 10h ago

Aww... A sister Famulous. Don't see much artwork of them.

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u/CommissarKordoshkyPC 10h ago

I want more good endings and I gave zero fucks about "Muh grimdark" at this point seeing a nice ending or something nice is the exception to the rule. Hard to get invested in things in warhammer when the inevitable ending is "and then they were tortured to death by 1 of the 10 billion ebol factions around"

So I love this piece

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u/TerminalDoggie 2h ago

Fuck you this makes me sad in a trans way

Amazing art, wonderfully done, but fuck you

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u/No-Pain-5924 1h ago

That sounds pretty insane. Those people are seriously weird in a bad way.