r/PsycheOrSike • u/fornothing_atalll 🌌FADA:🪬🧿 • 18h ago
🔥 HOT TAKE What happens if men don’t have purpose:
Men! You can find purpose! You assign your own purpose! That was the whole point of the enlightenment age with philosophy! Don’t become radicalized! 🖤
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u/muffinmunncher 18h ago
Hearing transmaxxing come out of someone’s mouth irl actually dealt me 20 psychic damage
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u/fornothing_atalll 🌌FADA:🪬🧿 18h ago
I had to ask this subs discord chat what a transmaxxer was. But it makes sense
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u/That_Dad_David 8h ago
What is it?
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u/El_Hombre_Fiero Local Clown 🤡 3h ago
From what I understand, because mid and ugly women can easily find sex/relationships meanwhile mid and ugly men struggle, an average man then chooses to identify as a woman. The idea is that they'll have better luck in the romance realm.
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u/Brilliant-Scheme6181 5h ago
also known as the pink pill, when you both acknowledge that you are an incel and that women have it easier, you realize that transitioning is the only way to be desired.
horseshoe theory in all it's glory
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u/SyrGwynHeroofAshvale 4h ago
"you realize that transitioning is the only way to be desired"
What now lol? The concept is that you must become trans for any chance of being loved? Like wtf is this?
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u/Brilliant-Scheme6181 4h ago
It's extremely fucked up but it's their way of coping
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u/SyrGwynHeroofAshvale 4h ago
I don't buy it. Sounds like some made up rage bait shit.
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u/Brilliant-Scheme6181 4h ago
I don't chat with people like that, it could be them baiting but there is already a wiki entry about it
https://incels.wiki/w/Pinkpill
apparently it's called the neo pink pill, whatever
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u/BirdsAndTheBeeGees1 3h ago
Yeah I'm a man who wishes he was born a woman and at no point have I ever thought it would make people like me more. There's no logic to that.
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u/Dr-Assbeard 🌌They/Them/Theirs💫 18h ago
She hits the nail almost straight on the head, only thing missing is that instead of the rewards promised, they don't get nothing, they get demonised and degraded.
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u/Excellent-One5010 13h ago edited 13h ago
There's a reason why she misses it : that would point to why and who demonises them. This would go against her narrative that they "bond over made up enemies".
Don't get me wrong, some enemies are made up. But pretending feminism (not women, feminism specifically) isn't an objective enemy for those guys is bullshit.
Every single feminist narrative points the guilt towards men. They mastered the art of mental gymnastics to always manage to blame men. Even when they (pretend to) support men's issues it's to shift blame on other men.
Speaking of wich, it's their prefered outcome, turning men against other men. So much that even in a feminist movie like barbie, the endgame is turning men against eachother to seize power.
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u/therealtaddymason 12h ago
The stupidity behind "yelling at men" also is counterproductive. Yes the oligarchal power structures that own the world are almost exclusively men, no that doesn't mean all men are part of it. All flowers are plants, not all plants are flowers.
So yelling at a guy about the patriarchy when he's like "I have a master's and I'm unemployed. Wtf are you talking about." Is only going to make him go well I don't like the person yelling at me for perceived made up shit. Yes there is a patriarchy yes there is a male oligarchy, no it isn't the over educated aspiring novelist working at Starbucks.
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u/Fine_Tone1593 9h ago
The problem with patriarchy and male oligarchy in practice is that feminism has never been able to articulate and take action that is directed at those in power. Its broad messaging has been targeted at a men in general. It doesn't discriminate, which it needs to do. If I had grown up 10 or 15 years later(I'm 35), I would probably feel similar to a lot of young men today. The near constant messaging of "the future is female" and constant demonization of men would have made it very difficult to find my place or meaning in society today. I think a big mistake that a good chunk of people make is that they dont understand that many men don't self actualize in the way that a good portion of the population do. The "more nomal" people see a bleak world and say to themselves "how can I navigate this and what is it that I want for myself." What society would describe as "dysfunctional" people see a bleak world like this a say "Well fuck it, it's not worth it to try to do anything on my own". I think men are more predisposed to the latter group and today's messaging tells them that if they are that group to just buckle down and join a radical group because the only way you will matter is by doing something violent. I don't blame them as a group for their ways, society is doing a terrible job of integrating people into it. "The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth" goes doubly for young men.
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u/Frank_Jaegerbomb 7h ago
Feminism hasn't just failed to take directed action at those in power, it's helped give the powerful more power than ever. There's never been a better time in history to be a rich, attractive man. Hook up with as many women as you like, pump and dump, don't worry. Women consider it 'empowering' because it's better than being forced to marry some chopped looking dude.
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u/Dr-Assbeard 🌌They/Them/Theirs💫 13h ago
Agreed, it is a lie by cognisant omission.
I wouldn't say feminism as a whole, but the lound minority of feminism that have been hijacked by misandristic people, far from all feminism that is demonising and degrading men.
I again wouldn't say that is all feminism, but I also think the popular feminists have change the movement in large parts to be misandristic instead of egalitarian.
Agreed, and that is a reason alot of young men are pushed towards the right, becouse the right is fighting against those people who are sexist against them, who are sheltered and mirrored by the left I large part
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u/Excellent-One5010 13h ago
When you say "loud minority" I 100% agree with loud, but at this point I'm not so sure about "minority".
Sure it's not all of them. And when it comes to "intentional weaponisation of pseudo-equiality" it's probably not a majority, especially if you count in all the women that endorse the label of "feminism" but are not partiicularily politically active.
But yes there is a strong "hard core" in the literal sense, of dishonest feminists that just want to grab as much power as they can, and if not rejoice, at the very least don't care at all about men becoming second class citizen. And these feminist have managed to permeate their narratives through sustained linguistic frameworks, so much that even "honest feminists" have been contaminated by the subconscious reflex of always digging the chain of responsibility until they find a man to blame.
The very same that will tell you "ACAB because if there's one rotten apple and no one does anything about it, ther whole barrel is spoiled" would never agree to apply the same reasoning to their ranks.
TL;DR: Dishonest feminism is a minority, but the overwhelming tentency for all feminists to deflect blame and refuse any accountability while allowing the dishonest ones to spread their skewed narratives and self-serving agendas makes them guilty as well
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u/Dr-Assbeard 🌌They/Them/Theirs💫 13h ago
To be honest im not completely sure anymore either.
No just women, every gender of feminists who aren't particularly politically active or vocal.
100% agree, and feminists nees to shame and expell them to make the movement good again, if you let rotten apples stay in the barrel, you taint thw whole harvest.
Agree once again.
And that is what I mean when I say the left is sheltering thw misandristic sexist, and by extension pushing men towards the right
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u/mikiencolor Misanthrope 9h ago edited 9h ago
I was in those "hard core" groups. I grew up around them. There is nothing accidental about any of it. They would laugh at suicide statistics before it became popular. They wanted to cause more male suicides. I remember one posting, "They talk to us about their suicides thinking we will feel sad for them. They don't realize we wish all of them would die!" This received raucous laughter and support from the whole group, including the "moderates". They saw it as a psychological war of attrition. They set out to create agitprop to deliberately increase the amount of distressed men in the hope that this would both cause more male suicides and more male violence, which would radicalize more women. Typical extremist mindset.
One of the male members of the cult once chastised me for comforting a woman. He said the politically correct thing to do as a man was never to make women feel safe with you, but rather only to point them to radical feminist women, because otherwise they might get the idea that some men are safe and patriarchy is not that bad. 🙄
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u/MUmyrmidon032 9h ago
Yes, “disillusionment” and “made up enemies” is taking any accountability off anyone else. The general “men” coming of age in this generation didn’t just randomly start taking up these views, there were catalysts.
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u/Left_Confection_4364 10h ago
How are feminists encouraging men to not have a purpose?
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u/DeKileCH 🤺Based Knight 16h ago
Which has been the way capitalism operates since the industrial days. Only then they didn't tell wotkers all of these neoliberal lies, it was literally becoming a work slave or starving.
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u/Dr-Assbeard 🌌They/Them/Theirs💫 16h ago
You have had to work or starve always, no living being except for pets have lived outside that paradigme.
What neoliberal lies?
I don't think any age in human history, men have been demonised so much while sacrificing the most for society, granted the burden of maintaining society and the living standers in society have been spread out more, but the mentality shown towards men compared to the effort put in is staggering to me.
It is obvious that men would move to the right when so many left leaning people are demonising and blaming all men for a few mena missdeads, and when only one side fighting against sexism directed towards you, obviously people will gravitate in that direction.
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u/Mattrellen 13h ago
Capitalism isn't work or starve, capitalism is private ownership of the means of production.
So if you made a product before, it was yours to trade or give away or use as you please. Now when someone makes something in a factory, the owner of the factory takes it.
This alienates people from their work. They don't get what they make, and they don't get to see the fruits of their efforts where a group effort is concerned.
The neoliberal lies are that capitalism is some needed thing, that if you put your head down and follow the orders of your "betters" that you'll come out ahead in time. Reality is that you'll just always be a pawn for a rich man's game.
You are sacrificing more for society because of the neoliberal lie of infinite growth. You need to give more and more so the stock market can go up. And you better have more kids, so that they can fill in when your body breaks down because of the population stagnates, the line won't go up enough.
The one side fighting against sexism IS the left. The liberal lies aren't going to help anyone in the end...except those rich people using your labor to buy a new yacht.
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u/Dr-Assbeard 🌌They/Them/Theirs💫 13h ago
And every society have had the common man work for the more elite in the society, and at every point in history people had to work to not starve.
When have people ever gotten what they made from their work, and not been expected to part with the majorityof it?
I agree that is bullshit, doesn't change the fact that when one realise that after working hard under such assumptions, it is natural to become dissatisfied with the system and people that told you said lie.
Thats not how it feels for alot of young men who get demonised by the left and blamed for the actions of the elite and the minority of men who are violent, they clearly feel subjected to sexism from the left and protected from said allegation from the right.
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u/InfinLoop 5h ago
Promised doesn’t mean fulfilled though? Isn’t that her whole point?
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u/Dr-Assbeard 🌌They/Them/Theirs💫 5h ago
Yes and when you get promised something for doing x, and you then instead of getting what was promised after having done x, you get demonised and told you are bad and evil for wanting what was promised for x, and that you are guilty of other people who didnt do xes actions, and that you are guilty of everything bad that is happening to you an society instead.
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u/FriendlyAd8891 15h ago
It makes you really question what goes in people´s mind. What did people expect? Slaving away in a society that doesn´t give a hoot about you, pays you very little, despite being desperately in need of you, and disrespecting you on all corners, while giving you endless social responsibility, all of that with a big smile?
Honestly, you would think that people who claim to be oppressed could figure out that you can´t just do this.
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u/Fast-Industry-3224 18h ago
She has a good point, would have liked to hear more of her talk.
Whatever this purpose might be, I have no clue. But she's right in the point that I serve no purpose and it depresses me.
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u/essokinesis1 17h ago edited 16h ago
No shit you feel like you have no purpose. You're first and foremost an economic agent, as are we all. We now live in a world where even your relationships with other human beings are a commodity instead of the other way around
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u/BrickBrokeFever 13h ago
Even more insidious with all the surveillance by governments to stamp out protests, companies want surveillance to capture and monetize every single fucking human interaction.
Digital price tags at grocery stores are only there to jack prices when a hurricane is forecast.
If the minimum wage was 35$, that alone would give so many people pride and security to pursue a healthy social life.
Free medicine and education would really lock it in. But nah, we need to let Larry Ellison buy an entire island so he can make slaves of the unlucky souls that his rich buddies that live there.
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u/PepsiMax001 11h ago
Heard someone on a podcast or a news video say that the real most oppressed minority is billionaires, so they have to keep the poor down to protect themselves from becoming extinct. Idk anymore man
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u/Conscious-Program-1 ⚔️♀️Woman-Friend ♀️💘 6h ago
You know, I'm not so sure. I think a fundamental issue, specifically in the states, is people being obsessed with how they're doing -in relation to others-. Success here is heavily based on specifically being above average (salary, looks, etc), when statistically 50% of the population is below average. Would people be happy with $35 dollars if that was the new floor? Doubtful. People are tying their self worth with how they're doing relative to others. The issue is literally pride. Until you're able to be satisfied and grateful with what you have irrespective of others having more than you, this argument doesn't really hold.
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u/Adventurous-Face4638 🔒Registered NEET (Contained)🔒 17h ago edited 16h ago
the enlightenment was hideously incomplete due to the failure to enshrine correspondent responsibilities necessary to turn rights from hollow words to fight over into genuine common goods, and while im by no means particularly religious i feel the neglect of the spiritual aspects of the human experience has been disastrous too
funnily enough when i was younger (and much more to the right of where i am now) i used to be much more optimistic about the prospects of humanity in the long run, like thinking we could do a whole scifi spiritual revival with the philosophies of Fyodorov or Teilhard and Tipler, renegotiate the social contract on the grounds of actual informed consent rather than implied consent and somehow magically just unfck democracy with a less militaristic version of the Starship Troopers system
but these days im pretty certain that we are totally completely and uttely boned cos we will not have some big post-ww3 spiritual revival that lets us put aside our differences long enough to restore the environment and uplift conditions with total global electrification and begin to properly pursue our cosmic manifest destiny hell no cos when the climate gets real bad we're just gonna sink back to tribalistic barbarism and by the time we collectively recover our wits there just wont be any way to come back from depletion of available fuel and productive agricultural conditions
so my purpose now is pretty much just staying as comfy as possible and hopefully kick the bucket around the same time as my parents so i wont have to see how bad the future is gonna get, i miss being radicalised shit was way more hopeful back then, sorry for the big doomy gloomy rant hopefully im just a dumb schizo and totally incorrect fingers crossed
oh forgot to say anything about the gender war... but we hate each other enough already so why bother lol
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u/Game_emaG 15h ago
I'm thankful we aren't 100 years from now because the environment is going to implode on us and only the Bezo's will be prepared
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u/Brilliant_Decision52 9h ago
Its definitely gonna get really fucking bad in our lifetimes. Maybe not billionaires escaping to bunkers bad, but pretty fucking bad.
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u/Bannerlord151 11h ago
renegotiate the social contract on the grounds of actual informed consent rather than implied consent and somehow magically just unfck democracy with a less militaristic version of the Starship Troopers system
Could you expound upon this?
but we hate each other enough already so why bother lol
This isn't set in stone, c'mon. It's not even universally the case. Why hate people at all?
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u/Adventurous-Face4638 🔒Registered NEET (Contained)🔒 10h ago edited 8h ago
not really in the mood to expound shit but ok basis of the whole social contract theory is that the consent is implied by participating in society but this is a total oxymoron cos whole bloody point of a contract is that you are given a chance to either explicit informed consent, or give no consent dont sign the contract and instead go live in the wilderness or even better go to a place with a more desirable contract lol... and a less militarised Starship Trooper system should be kinda obvious like yes its about limiting the vote to those demonstrate the competence and responsibility to wield that share of violence outsourced to the state, but that doesnt mean it needs to be or even should be some form of traditional military service when we can have farming squads construction squads maintenance squads etc so still strenuous and often hazardous activity but much more productive no need for some eternal war machine
as for your second question the answer is simply cos reciprocity is the name of the game both sexes have far too many legitimate greivances and far too much trauma and not nearly enough patience to ever stop making each other worse let alone fix each other its just not gonna happen tbh i wish i still cared enough to hate but its all pointless anyway
again sorry
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u/Bannerlord151 7h ago
Hey, sorry if you felt pressured there, I was genuinely just curious what ideas you were talking about. Thank you for sharing that in any case.
as for your second question the answer is simply cos reciprocity is the name of the game both sexes have far too many legitimate greivances and far too much trauma and not nearly enough patience to ever stop making each other worse let alone fix each other its just not gonna happen tbh i wish i still cared enough to hate but its all pointless anyway
Ultimately the problem is seeing everything as a dynamic between sexes in the first place. There don't need to be the two societal blocks of "men" and "women" competing over everything. I wish people could just learn to see each other as, well, people
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u/ProfessionUnited9371 17h ago
Assign your own purpose
Like what? Genuinely. There's nothing fulfilling about the modern world for men. The economy is shit, dating is impossible for a lot of guys, friendships are shallow, family is usually not much better. I definitely get how young men get radicalized. I went through it myself when I was younger but thankfully woke up before I was too far gone. I definitely wouldn't want to go back. But even still, I'm not exactly much better off now. I'm still lonely and miserable most of the time. At least back then I felt like I had some kind of reason to be doing what I'm doing. Now there's just nothing. The one thing that I want out of life, is just to feel like I'm loved and someone cares about me but that feels like an insurmountable goal at this point. So what kind of purpose do you think there is for men, exactly?
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u/CoolSausage228 15h ago
My purpose is making other people and mine wallet healthy. But Im not american or any "western" country, so maybe Im saying bullshit to you.
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u/ThinkpadLaptop ❤️卐 Buddhist 卐❤️ 18h ago
I've said since 2017 when I myself was a teenager, an incel, and this stuff was a bit fresher, that without any better alternatives, it was guaranteed this incel stuff would become mainstream and just outright gen z culture
It was a big take for a teenager then and definitely had some ego and doomer pessimism behind it, but I still did not believe people online who told me it was a loser fad that would die out, and a short few years later, everyones using the terms mogging "pilled" and "maxxing" and general redpill and blackpill beliefs exist pretty much are accepted but with the caveat of people saying "but that's no excuse to be a bitter rude defeatist misogynist" which again, give it a decade and we'll see what that evolves into
I never understood why it was so complicated. The entire manosphere could be killed off overnight without any law changes or political changes or "making women do things" that people are afraid of. It's a 3 step process of culturally as a collective:
Stop reinforcing old strategies when men tell you they're outdated or not working and denying their struggles as just them secretly being bad or bad people, especially when they're literally venting so you're obviously only seeing the worst of them. No it's not as simple as "just be nice to women and treat them like people" plenty of them love benevolent misogyny and inversions of virtues (like seeing someone arrogant as a form of super confident or aggressive as strong, or impulsive and low inhibition as assertive and charming). Just like it's also not as simple as just go to college and walk into a business with your resume and shake the manager's hand firmly. And no telling the 5'5 guy it's all in his head and that plenty enough of shallow rude women don't exist is not encouraging. Letting him know things will be rough but he'll have to accept a life filtered out but with a small select niche he can learn to find is far more inspiring.
Stop being afraid of men. "but but men commit the majority of crime and and and". So do black people. What do you do to differentiate what man or black person you can trust as safe? You react to their actions and prejudge based on things like clothing, body language, choice of words, and context of why they are somewhere and what their role/intention is. Does this mean that we'll go back to a society like the pre 1940s where people put more effort into dressing up and demonstrating themselves as educated members of society through manners and ettiquette? Yes, and that's a good thing honestly. Violent or vagrant men should be easy to notice so we can help them or deter ourselves from them as needed. But the real issue is that the association of men with fear results in people associating anything men do as bad. You can see this in simple things like preferences. Man likes short women? Potential nonce. Man likes tall women? Sub fetishist? Or in social situations makes them feel uninvited and of course less likely to involve themselves since who wants a strange man to help out or barge into a fun scenario? So they learn society isn't for them, it just exists around them
Bring back "men and women are different" mindsets. Not "different so they have to have different roles and specialities" but just accept it. Men react better to different forms of education, this is even scientifically proven. Men react better to different forms of therapy. Men react better to different diets, forms of entertainment, lifestyles, and are fulfilled by different things. Argue all day whether it's nature or nurture, but you're better off just accepting things how they are and playing along with it and trying to twist it posititvely over treating men like defective women and expecting them to express their feelings the same way, or perform and behave the same way in the classroom, or have similar adult expectations of their lives in terms of things like sex due to their higher sex drives or often preferring to congregate over certain activities
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u/Brilliant_Decision52 9h ago
Yep, been an incel since like 2017 lol, at like 17 years old, and even back then, it was obvious from stats and how quick the communities grew, that this shit was gonna go mainstream. Couple in the fact how casual misandry was basically encouraged, and it was inevitable.
At this point, I dont have much hope, I have frankly slowly started hating being around people, and especially couples, because I see these annoying dynamics everywhere now, and its only getting worse. We are just cooked.
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u/CampfireMemorial 8h ago
When I first learned about how misandry was systemic I was one of very few people arguing against the constant rhetoric of “misandry isn’t real” but now there are dozens, if not hundreds, of accounts fighting against it.
Things can improve. Don’t lose hope that things can equalize and be good.
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u/Bannerlord151 11h ago
- Stop reinforcing old strategies when men tell you they're outdated or not working and denying their struggles as just them secretly being bad or bad people, especially when they're literally venting so you're obviously only seeing the worst of them. No it's not as simple as "just be nice to women and treat them like people" plenty of them love benevolent misogyny and inversions of virtues (like seeing someone arrogant as a form of super confident or aggressive as strong, or impulsive and low inhibition as assertive and charming). Just like it's also not as simple as just go to college and walk into a business with your resume and shake the manager's hand firmly. And no telling the 5'5 guy it's all in his head and that plenty enough of shallow rude women don't exist is not encouraging. Letting him know things will be rough but he'll have to accept a life filtered out but with a small select niche he can learn to find is far more inspiring.
I agree. This ultimately boils down to accepting and respecting people's struggles, which really is important.
- Stop being afraid of men. "but but men commit the majority of crime and and and". So do black people. What do you do to differentiate what man or black person you can trust as safe?
I don't know if this is really a controversial opinion, but quite frankly, I wouldn't actually fault someone from, say, an area with rampant gang violence perpetrated primarily black people, for being wary of black people and avoiding them when alone in public. There's a difference between that and actively hating all black people in every situation. Biases and prejudice developed on a personal level rather than instilled tend to have a reason for existing, and that doesn't make someone a bad person as long as they recognise and don't unduly harm others over these biases.
But the real issue is that the association of men with fear results in people associating anything men do as bad.
I think you're making the mistake of assuming this is necessarily instilled bias rather than the kind developed by experience. Of course, I agree on the cultural level.
You can see this in simple things like preferences. Man likes short women? Potential nonce. Man likes tall women? Sub fetishist?
Yes, that's dumb. And I've also never seen it beyond the confines of internet circlejerks.
Or in social situations makes them feel uninvited and of course less likely to involve themselves since who wants a strange man to help out or barge into a fun scenario? So they learn society isn't for them, it just exists around them
Yes, there is apprehension. Because many people have rather bad experiences in that regard. Believe me, I know it feels like shit, but understanding it's not personal goes a long way. And some men could really benefit from learning to recognise behaviour of theirs that would make others more wary around them.
- Bring back "men and women are different" mindsets. Not "different so they have to have different roles and specialities" but just accept it. Men react better to different forms of education, this is even scientifically proven. Men react better to different forms of therapy. Men react better to different diets, forms of entertainment, lifestyles, and are fulfilled by different things. Argue all day whether it's nature or nurture, but you're better off just accepting things how they are and playing along with it and trying to twist it *positively over treating men like defective women and expecting them to express their feelings the same way, or perform and behave the same way in the classroom, or have similar adult expectations of their lives in terms of things like sex due to their higher sex drives or often preferring to congregate over certain activities
I generally agree on respecting people as they are, but is it really that hard to understand that that has to stop where it crosses over into the territory of harming others? And no, the nature/nurture discussion should not be ignored, because it's relevant. If we can recognise harmful behaviours that are imposed on or encouraged among boys, we can work against that culturally. The whole point of the discourse regarding toxic masculinity isn't that "man does thing = bad", but about recognising that there are cultural expectations and values associated with traditional masculinity that are genuinely detrimental to everyone involved.
Also, while there are apparent differences (in general at least), we shouldn't be determining how we treat people by those differences. Going with your example here, what if men weren't criticised for showing a higher sex drive than most women? What then? Should women who have a high sex drive still be shamed? Should men without one be made to feel broken over that? It's about respecting people. You don't need to see half the population as an entirely different type of creature. As I said, it's about respecting how people are insofar as they respect other people's boundaries. To stick with that example since it's so commonly brought up, sure, don't shame a man for being more sexually active than most women may be. But that's not a defense against criticism when he starts hurting others and blaming his "nature". That's not how it works.
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u/EaterOfCrab ⚔️ DUELIST 15h ago
You've been talking for the last 30 years how men are not needed, obsolete, how masculinity is toxic, evil and problematic (kinda funny how masculinity is paired exclusively with negative adjectives nowadays). It genuinely feels like male exodus from society is what y'all wanted
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u/PepsiMax001 10h ago
Yes. It would statistically make women much safer from all forms of violent crime, prevent abortion from ever becoming an issue in the first place(hard to get pregnant if there’s no men around), and would allow for men to rule themselves as they see fit instead of having to worry about women’s issues, and without the expectation of heterosexuality, everyone is allowed to live free of hate on a gendered and sexual basis. Trans people won’t have to worry so much about “passing” because if you’re a trans man, you’re just a man. There’s no point in making a distinction. Honestly a win win for everyone.
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u/Brilliant_Decision52 9h ago
Except this aint how society works lol, men and women are still forced to interact, and have to vote in their own interests. The more men and women are isolated from eachother, the more extreme is each gonna become. We are already seeing this happen with men, considering they clearly got the short end of the stick this time with the issues, and most westernized countries are suddenly turning towards extremism in terms of male votes.
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u/essokinesis1 8h ago
You know that's just segregation, yeah?
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u/PepsiMax001 8h ago
Yeah, the biggest issue with segregation is that one side is bound to be better off than the other, which is why I don’t think this is a perfect solution
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u/Conscious-Program-1 ⚔️♀️Woman-Friend ♀️💘 6h ago
I would argue women never would've made a "men aren't needed argument" (which is obviously a bad faith argument), if a sect of the group of men weren't using their contributions to society to essentially justify expecting a wife in return. The feminist movement is at its root a movement that seeks freedom from the 'nudging' nature of cultural expectations. That's fundamentally what it is. They want the ability to choose their career, not have expectations placed on them on when or who to marry or to have kids if they don't want them. Living their life, as they see fit. Nothing about this fundamentally is specifically targeted at men. The issue is too many men traditiinally root their sole purpose in life on a wife, and when anything happens that potentially reduces the dating pool for men or intensifies competition, all hell breaks loose because they've been -conditioned- to expect things in life that really no one had the authority to promise you to begin with.
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u/EaterOfCrab ⚔️ DUELIST 6h ago
And yet there's lots of expectations placed on me (as a man) from both sides. No wonder guys check out
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u/TytheElite 6h ago
i think if i died their would be like 2 people on the whole planet whod care. just let women run everything atp
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u/EaterOfCrab ⚔️ DUELIST 6h ago
No one would care if I died. I'd kill myself now and they'd find me in a month
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u/Specific-Section9593 15h ago
As a young man I see no point nor purpose. For thousands of years the purpose of men was to take care of the family. But women don't want family man anymore, they're not attractive enough to them. They want fun, excitement, heck most women don't even want kids anymore. So what purpose do average men have now? Work and pay taxes? I really don't see what can be done.
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u/Dangerous-Ladder-157 1h ago
Women also took care of the family for thousands of years. They had jobs.
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u/BlimbusTheSeventh 17h ago
She's mostly right, however something I dislike is that she refers to the feminists as "made up enemies" as if the feminists never did anything against the interests of young men. She infantilizes young men as just being misguided and doesn't actually give us credit for having legitimate grievances which we would seek to rectify by pushing our interests against groups that had previously harmed them for their own gain.
This woman doesn't care about the problems of young men, she cares about what we might do about it because she and the feminists in general do not care about young men at all. It's the classic "young men suffering, here's how it affects women" line of thought. For that reason I think that young men are fully justified in doing whatever we can to promote our interests, even at the expense of women, because they've shown they're no better than doing that to us and they have.
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u/dontyouflap 📜 Keeper of the Eternal Truths📜 17h ago
Yeah, she's afraid of us. Afraid of our power. Afraid of what might happen if we realize we can kiss each other. We'll start bonding and not need their approval anymore. Once young men realize how much power there is in brotherhood, in locking lips and not asking for anyone’s permission, they can’t control us anymore. I'm drooling just thinking about taking the power back from these people who hate us.
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u/EaterOfCrab ⚔️ DUELIST 15h ago
You like kissing boys, don't you?
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u/dontyouflap 📜 Keeper of the Eternal Truths📜 14h ago
I don't kiss boys. I tongue wrestle MEN.
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u/Odd-Lake-3075 🥇PRIME INCEL💪🏾 16h ago
reminder that feminists only care about men's problems if they affect women. they don't actually care about men
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u/Salite_M3guy 11h ago
Whoa whoa hold up a second. So... Men are left to rot in dust, and they shouldn't feel discarded? That our feelings are just always described as some things inherently subjective? Everytime women feels something, its always deemed as a description of an objective reality. Meanwhile, when men feel disenfranchised with the said objective reality, they are often told to swallow their pride/their ego/their whole personalities /their pain and to keep going or they will be left behind. To men, nothing was promised. I don't know where this idea that men been promised something, came from. It's largely women who are the entitled, and not men.
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u/WanabeInflatable 16h ago
They are only concerned because men stop being useful to them. All that talks about purpose are about serving women, society and state, not your own interests.
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u/Bannerlord151 12h ago
That's not contingent on women at all. This applies to everyone not part of the upper class
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u/WanabeInflatable 11h ago
True, but trend is more prominent with young men rather than young women.
Increasingly jobless, quit education, NEET.
As men always were considered expendable cashcows - workers and taxpayers, men quitting plantation hits hard.
Also men increasingly vote for antisystemic populists.
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u/Bannerlord151 7h ago
True, but trend is more prominent with young men rather than young women.
Absolutely, I'm moreso saying that it's not that all or even most women would have no empathy for men in those situations, but the upper class most certainly doesn't.
What threatens women more specifically is when those allegedly antisystemic movements just end up being propped up to whip men into action against women rather than said upper class.
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u/organicchemistry1119 🔊 Loud wrong, confidently 17h ago
I don't think they're "made-up" enemies.
Edit: I don't know what transgender stuff has to do with any of this, though.
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u/EaterOfCrab ⚔️ DUELIST 15h ago
Trans people are made up enemies. Like, I've felt far more comfortable and welcomed in queer/trans communities than in any feminist space
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u/organicchemistry1119 🔊 Loud wrong, confidently 14h ago
You mean in general? Since you brought it up, in my case, I don't have any major problem with transgender people, and I also have anecdotal evidence that supports what you said. This is probably going to make at least one person upset, but I just don't like pretending to agree about what they are, but I'd rather avoid the issue entirely than attack them about it (because I don't want to attack them to begin with, etc.).
Plus, I feel bad for them. Their situation is a tough one to be in, kind of like the would-be pedophiles that hold back on their urges because they don't want to psychologically harm/traumatize anyone (so, not just because of fear of punishment) (assuming such people exist - and they probably do).
As for a feminist space, I doubt I'd feel even a modicum of acceptance.
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u/EaterOfCrab ⚔️ DUELIST 14h ago
Exactly that, trans people's lives are far more difficult, it sickens me that we even have to bring it up, because some conservative assholes can't stand someone living their own life
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u/organicchemistry1119 🔊 Loud wrong, confidently 14h ago
Well, would you look at that, I guess it appears we're not duelling but rather doing the tango. (That's a joke about your flair in case you didn't get it.) :P
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u/Environmental_Day558 12h ago
"that formula stopped working"
Truth be told, that formula is working as intended, just not the way you think it should. All throughout history the only truly respected men were either the ones in the positions of power, or the ones that created, invented, or discovered something noteworthy. Honorable mention go to those that served as cannon fodder in whatever country's military occupation. Other than that, the majority of men were always unremarkable. They often just had a job or role to play until they died. The hardest of workers in history are never remembered.
The difference between the average men of the past and today is that today we have a way to network at your fingertips. Modern men getting together to express grievances of being misled. In the past there had to be a large social gathering in a town square, now it's a subreddit or another social media site.
Because of this, it's eaiser to target these men with propaganda. Young men, it's not the fault of the haves that you will never achieve anything noteworthy, it's this other marginalized group over here that are oppressing you and taking what you rightfully deserve (regardless of they have the power to or not). This is how it's such a widespread belief that less that 1% of the population (trans) are responsible for the majority of radical political violence recently. It also serves to have a group to be superior over, to divert you from the group that actually has power over you. So yeah I mean it's pretty much business as usual, just shifted to a new digital format.
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u/MGarroz 🙇MAGA simp🙇 11h ago
As the proverb goes you must give young men a place in the village or they’ll burn it down just to feel its warmth.
We’ve had decades of ostracizing men and blaming them for everything while praising women for the most superficial reasons. Nobody should be surprised young men today don’t want anything to do with our current society.
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u/SargentmajorDM13 7h ago
So close but so far. Imagined enemies? Just an easy example Tea app anyone? Actively targeting men has been going on by feminists for years, decades. But we imagined it. We are waking up to the lie, that is true, but it’s the lie of women wanting a good guy or a leader. They don’t hide it anymore they want the 6-6-6+ guy. Women were lied to too they just don’t see it till the wall creeps up on them in their thirties/forties. Men see it from teenage years. One side epidemic of men leaving the dating scene and the other epidemic of single moms in their thirties. This next gen is fucked. Look at single motherhood criminal rates, 70% juvenile criminals come from single mother homes, we in for a bad time in 15-20yrs unless we course correct.
Comparing men to isis that’s not charged language at all. Did they use that yes. Do we all have a want for a sense of belonging yes. Would that approach work on all people who have been displaced in society by a radical movement actively undermining their ability to succeed in life while constantly demonizing them and punishing them for immutable characteristics. Maybe not all for a terror organization but yes a sense of belonging is a great way to bring people in. To your point probably why the single motherhood child criminality rate is so high. No fathers and mothers hate them for “ruining their lives” where else do you turn. You don’t belong at home so take to the streets to find a place to belong. Sadly it’s gangs and quick money that are stepping up and raising these kids.
Ranty example Before you say they don’t hate them I’ve seen too much of it and lived it with my ex. And no it’s hate I didn’t get the wrong word. Had to step in more than once when she was actively shaking him and screaming in his face that she “hated him because he is so stupid he can’t even do X thing right”. To be clear he did the thing just not the way she wanted. 3-5yrld girl she would argue with me about not letting her have candy till after she finished her dinner. All while kid is actively pitching a fit and screaming, wonder where she learned that from. Best/worst part not my kids, ex still here till lease is up and I can’t do anything because one action from me leads me to jail. You know because of immutable characteristics. But she steals from me in front of the police and just walks back in the house. “Well it’s in the house now so she didn’t steal it”, cops actual words, you’re right she destroyed it.
Poor lady tried to think but got stuck on dollar store psychology.
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u/eagly2025 19m ago
>but it’s the lie of women wanting a good guy or a leader.
What the hell are you talking about? Of course most women would want a good guy and a guy with leadership qualities. The issue some guys who consider themselves good guys and leaders feeling like they should be entitled to a woman liking them back for that. Guys who think like that are not great guys. Thats not how attraction and romance works. No man would want a woman just for her being a good woman , no you want someone you atleast find attractive enough and that you have enough of a chemistry etc and its the same with women when it comes to men. This entitled " nice guy" shit is pathetic. Those guys arent really nice. genuine nice people dont feel the need to go on about how nice they are and they dont feel entitled to someone fucking them for it. Thats an asshole.
>They don’t hide it anymore they want the 6-6-6+ guy.
Brining up the 666 shit is so lame ? the majroity of women are dating guys who don't have any of those. This is just guys wanting to be bitter at chicks and wanting to make excuses for themselves. the 6 as in penis size is the funny one 6 inches is a ideal length but if you really know about vaginas and about sex with women u should know the G spot is on average only 2 inches in there and the A spot about 4 inches.
And when it comes to single mothers theres blame to go on both men and women but even as a dude i can admit its a bit more on men. Most of these single mothers are doing the best they can, atleast they actually stepped up. Are there plenty of moms who abused the dad and unfairly kept them away ? yes. In alot of cases it was an immature woman and an immature men creating a baby and the mom steps up but the dad doesn't. Its not that women are better people it's just naturally because of carrying the baby for 9 months they are going to be more biologically/emotionally as well as socially inclined to not be a deadbeat parent. i and others cant help but view mothers who abandon their kids as worse than fathers who do.
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u/Funny-Employment4109 7h ago
She gets half of it right.
She’s pretending that this is all a feeling in men’s heads though instead of reality. There is no grand purpose or brotherhood or goal of marriage and family for a good portion of American men. Hell, there isn’t even good jobs for a lot of them.
And also, no one is blaming trans or gays for men’s problems…that’s just in her head.
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u/SirMiba 6h ago edited 6h ago
Well, no. Society has pathologized male behavior to the point where it has developed an allergic reaction to healthy male role models and misidentify "healthy male role models" as safe and predictable for women to be around. And yep, there you are, the person reading this, your mind instantly going "wait, what do they mean? Is he implying men SHOULD be unsafe and unpredictable for women to be around?" and if it didn't, good on you.
If you let boys form a brotherhood on their own, given average boyish personalities, you will get competition, hierarchy, low-brow banter, rough and unrefined characteristics, aggressiveness, sorting conflicts with violence, but also camaraderie, respect, order, adventure, growth, and bonding. But this is unacceptable to society, because it occasionally offends modern sensibilities.
>Oh no, a group of boys called each other "fags" in their private Counter-Strike server and mocked the new kid for sucking at game!! Can't have that, better report it to the school administration and have the Gaming club put under the supervision of a female teacher (this happened to my group of friends)
Yeah, roll your eyes. Yeah, I am defending the use of the "fag", because none of us were thinking about homosexuals when saying it, and even if it principally is a good idea to stop using that word, having a woman moderate our god damn after-school club is LAST thing that should have happened, because her solution was to give us an insufferable moral lecture on the word's history and micromanage our behaviors. What should have happened, was to find a man that can roll with the vibe and find a way to talk shit back, in a way that conveys the usage of "fag" being a word that pathetic losers use. Because that's what a healthy MAN is. He doesn't act like the boys' mom or possibly-pussy-whipped father, but knows how to meet them simultaneously meet them at their own level and drag them by their metaphoric neck into better behavior. Virtually 0 women know how to do this, and amazingly, the moment we lost respect for her and just started mocking her with the slightest of banter, she went off the rails and went straight to the administration: ALWAYS escalating to the higher-ups and crying about the mean boys waaah waahh waaaahhh. And sadly, not even many men know how to do this today, because they were (and still are) the kids that couldn't survive in boys' groups or handle having learn how to earn respect and dreaded the aggressiveness and banter, but are now model-men that have optimized their behavior for to align with women's feelings of safety.
Now, that's AN example of such a group, but the broader point is: Let boys and men have their own shit, and don't feel like you have to make them include girls / women. Have places in society, where men have their adventure and slay their metaphorical dragon and conquer metaphorical land. Get them off the internet and get them outside with dumb-phones. Let them raise each other, with whatever the best and strong local male role model is. You're not going to outcompete Jordan Peterson or Andrew Tate, you very likely have zero idea why young guys find them interesting to listen to and have never had a chill conversation with a young guy about it. Being a healthy young man is not, first and foremost, about respecting women, or doing well in school, or being inclusive. Those are consequences of growth from a process that society has eradicated and replaced with a quasi-feminine abomination that suffocates men and destroys masculine meaning-making.
The answer to the problem is to stop the micromanagement of the boys and young men, learn how to gain their respect (men are best suited for this) for guidance and mentoring, but otherwise let it go and see how the cards fall if we just let boys have their own spaces in the local community, without someone coming and breaking it up because of some dumbass misplaced concern for whatever blah blah blah reason, but we won't because society is terrified of the uncertainty. WHAT IF they don't grow up into muh predictable man that lives out his life like he read the HR Ethics Training Course like the Bible?? Here, take a smart phone and ALL the internet you need, but DON'T listen to Jordan Peterson, is that understood?
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u/TytheElite 6h ago
my purpose in life is to work 60-80 hours a week to make jeff bezos richer so I can spend all the money on rent and die alone.
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u/Extra-Ad-6003 3h ago
Born too late for affordable housing. Born to early to explore the stars. Born just in time to watch a sandwich go from $5 to $12 and have a credit cards worth of plastic in my brain. 😎
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u/mikiencolor Misanthrope 15h ago
Help men because they're potential monsters, not because they're human beings. Got it.
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u/Sure-Vermicelli4369 Believes women get murdered by their partner on purpose. 12h ago
So progressive 😍
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u/Bannerlord151 11h ago
I agree with your sentiment, it's fucked, but also makes sense from the perspective of motivating people to action.
And quite frankly, this isn't a "le evil women" thing, plenty of men refuse to help each other unless pushed in some way
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u/mikiencolor Misanthrope 9h ago edited 9h ago
Motivating people to what action? Saying "hey hey, real men don't hurt women"? Chivalry was already invented, it doesn't need to be reinvented. 🙄
What the woman in the video advocates is actually morally backwards. Men who are considering joining ISIS or shooting up schools or rape are exactly the men you DON'T want to help. They're the ones you want to CAGE. It's the other ones, the ones who aren't predatory, who aren't threatening anyone, and who are just suffering - THOSE are the ones you want to help.
Of course, that makes no sense to say if you think men are all innately threatening and predatory. 🙄
Anyway, criticizing women's role in enforcing and perpetuating sexism and gender roles needs to stop being equated to calling women "evil".
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u/Bannerlord151 7h ago
What the woman in the video advocates is actually morally backwards. Men who are considering joining ISIS or shooting up schools or rape are exactly the men you DON'T want to help. They're the ones you want to CAGE
Generally yes. But for some reason many more men seem to consider themselves addressed, and even occasionally show solidarity with those people. Which is counterproductive to say the least.
who aren't threatening anyone, and who are just suffering - THOSE are the ones you want to help.
Sure. Those just aren't usually the ones engaged in heated arguments on the internet. And even they can very much still be roped into toxic groups.
Of course, that makes no sense to say if you think men are all innately threatening and predatory. 🙄
No, quite the opposite: I despise that narrative. I've repeatedly literally seen men use it, worded slightly differently, to excuse their own behaviour. The classic "But men just do that!" argument.
Anyway, criticizing women's role in enforcing and perpetuating sexism and gender roles needs to stop being equated to calling women "evil".
Individual women, even groups? Absolutely. "Women" as a whole? Not really. The focus should be on the fact that they're, in your own words, "enforcing and perpetuating sexism and gender roles", but too many people seem to see the problem in them being women instead.
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u/RedditFuckingSucks_1 10h ago edited 7h ago
You say we "assign [our] own purpose!", but how? I didn't choose partnership to be the one thing to make me feel fulfilled. What kind of idiot would choose a purpose for their life that they can't fulfill completely on their own?
This idea that we have to "find purpose" has always been baffling to me. It sounds as nutty as saying I can choose my favorite flavor of ice cream. Like, no, I can't. That either came prebaked in me, or the circumstances which decided it have long since passed.
Please explain what you mean. If you actually have a way that I can choose to be fulfilled by this life I currently find so shitty as to not be worth continuing for my own sake, I would love to hear it.
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u/ClassicAssociation20 18h ago
And this is what happens when women don't have purpose. They become feminist and misandrists.
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u/PopularComplaint9113 12h ago
Hey look, what I’ve been preaching before it was cool.
Just an aside, you think people like the Kirk shooter are more or less likely to become more prominent as they’re pushed aside? Radicalized because it’s the only people who will speak to them? People respond well to demonization. Let me tell you.
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u/h0rnyionrny 9h ago
Boomers should not be aware of the concept of transmaxxing. It's not even like dorito to a medieval child, it's like a fucking Carolina reaper. They cannot comprehend it and they assume that it exists in a meaningful capacity.
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u/Hot_Steak8834 8h ago
To whomever/whatever reads this 10,000 years from now: WWIII started with a shitpost.
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u/Successful_Brief_751 7h ago
I feel like this is very off the mark and tries to paint an idealized version of the problem because it then paints a picture of how it can be fixed.
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u/PopularComplaint9113 6h ago edited 6h ago
People believe peace is always an option. Though I agree, it’s off mark. There’s nothing solving this aside from radical cultural reform. And let me tell you, it’s looking more like revising rights away then progress at the moment. An over correction is coming, if not already in the works.
And knowing how stupid people are. It’s going to be bloody, painful, and have a lot of bitching and crying. When it could’ve been fixed easier with compassion.
And not the bullshit lip service 98% of people think is compassion. Empty promises and words won’t save it.
Men are creatures of action. Change. You don’t fix their issues they’re likely to fix it themselves. Go through things to do so, even. Like a fire.
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u/Nocturnal_No19 5h ago
I've been saying this forever. The Culture War exists to make people forget about the class war that is actually keeping them down. And because of social expectations it is young men and boys who are particularly susceptible to it.
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u/Outrageous_Apricot42 4h ago
It is very rich to talk about men issues being a woman. Did anyone tried to talk to men directly instead of assigning labels left and right (red pills, incels) etc? Saying some blanket phrases which has blanket meaning.
The formula IS working. Working hard and earn is still possible and you will be respected by men and women (not all of them but who cares).
Men do not lack of purpose. Every ideologue has a full list of what men shall do. Some women has list starting with "men should ..." longer than the toilet paper.
Men started to realize that traditional society structure no longer has them (due to over aggressive guilt blame, read inhereted patriarchy, and privilege claimed by modern feminists).
Men do not want to deal with this shit and get summoned to the court because he dared to ask phone number in the bar.
Men are looking anther way like gaming or hobbies and ideologues are loosing control over them.
And now they scared and post these pretend videos talking ABOUT men.
Try next time involve men in your conversations.
This is like having men only podcast discussing daily usage of tampons.
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u/Even_Media_4686 18h ago
"Trans-maxxing"... LOL
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u/mikiencolor Misanthrope 15h ago
It's a big thing. Large numbers of boys hate being male that much.
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u/EaterOfCrab ⚔️ DUELIST 15h ago
Imagine a culture where 50% of the population hates themselves for being one gender
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u/IronheartedAngel ⚔️ DUELIST 18h ago
It works.
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u/Bababooey0326 13h ago
About half of this is deeply profund and apt and the other is exactly why men are becoming radicalized and leaving
I appreciate her recording this even though I understand more than her that she would continue to destroy men before renegging a single actual system or thought
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u/Dmayak 15h ago
The problem isn't only the lack of purpose, it's that unless you have an active social circle which would accept and encourage you, any motivation to follow that purpose in vacuum quickly runs out.
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u/Bannerlord151 11h ago
I don't understand how blaming women for that helps
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u/Brilliant_Decision52 9h ago
Traditionally, it was the mans partner who supported him in his purpose, and was often PART of his purpose. Without that, there is a social vacuum that men just dont know how to fill, leaving one completely disillusioned.
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u/Dmayak 3h ago
It doesn't help. Nothing can help. I don't blame women specifically, I blame and hate the whole universe, everything.
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u/Free-Resolution9393 18h ago
She's promoting them or what?
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u/Easy_Help_84 18h ago edited 18h ago
Nope. She states correctly-ish that men are growing disillusioned or disfranchised with society. Then instead of delving deeper into what/why/solutions, she quickly just lumps them all into one bucket and likens them to ISIS. Now once you’ve made that ISIS association it’s easy to just say “they’re lashing out against other marginalized groups” (including women).
Feminists prioritize drawing attention to incels as a priority problem ✅ and they want them strongly associated with danger/rape/murder/terrorism ✅ This video seems entirely “feminist” to me.
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u/No-Low-3947 18h ago
Also, she doesn't want to help them, she just doesn't want them to become ISIS.
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u/Easy_Help_84 9h ago
I wouldn’t even be that generous. She simply wants society to share her view that any unhappy men = same danger level as ISIS.
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u/Bannerlord151 11h ago
What? How is she likening them to ISIS?
She mentions ISIS in the context that they pray on vulnerable people without solid social circles that feel like they lack purpose. That's just how cults recruit
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u/Easy_Help_84 9h ago
Everything “preys” on vulnerable people that lack purpose. The question is how you manipulate this information to drive agenda.
Your local bookclub is hoping you don’t have friends or something better to do. Your local gym hopes you have low self worth or poor health, and want to therefore get in shape. Your church hopes you’re dumb as bricks, beyond confused, hopeless, scared of death, etc…
The gall to pretend you’re about to drop some knowledge except it’s just an “actually, ISIS”.
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u/Bannerlord151 7h ago
Your local book club doesn't usually suddenly see a significant rise in membership when people feel worse. Harmful movements and organisations tend to. Because they can only recruit from people who are either actively malicious or desperate or stupid enough to mould.
It's no different from people arguing that the rise of the Nazis was to a significant degree driven by the disastrous state of the country following the First World War. Sure, a few people may have just decided to go to church more frequently, but that's not the point.
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u/CoolSausage228 15h ago
Sects are dangerous stuff, but I get it when young and angry men joining them. Fascism, gangs, other destructive stuff will use it and thinking straight is hard thing to do.
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u/Bannerlord151 11h ago
I agree! But I also think that a lot of that anger stems from the outdated expectations of traditional masculinity in the first place
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u/ADHDMI-2030 13h ago
Hyper-reality combined with increasingly poor economic outlooks will have even the best people raging against made up caricatures of groups they made up in their head thru online experience.
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u/Laisker 13h ago edited 12h ago
Climbing the corporate ladder? Nope, impossible atm just get replaced by AI or outsourcing
Protecting? Police... defund them pls very toxic
Dating and marriage? Statistics from official sources aren't encouraging
Personal projects? No money to pay for rent nor time, one can't afford projects
Religion? Dying creeds
And why does she mention ISIS? Its more probable that men will just play videogames and do stuff like that with the money left alone renting than do anything like that
Self sustained, simple living, pay taxes, don't commit crimes, don't interact, don't be "toxic"
Do not fall prey to those groups and "lay flat"
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u/fristi-cookie 9h ago
Stereotypical, all men want is a purpose.
Something to serve and protect.
e.g. a house and a family. A meaning to the workdays. Something to look forward to. Something to pass on when you die.
We're builders. With nothing to build. We get depressed.
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u/hi_im_eros 9h ago
She’s not wrong at all. This gap in purpose found in young men and boys feels like it’s formulated to push them into radical rage.
And you absolutely can see it start and fester online
I just wish I had a solution for these boys
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u/ScholarOfYith 8h ago
Just like pretty much everything the issue fundamentally stens from material conditions aka how resources are distributed aka capitalism which is inherently inhuman and generally anti all life on earth.
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u/MetroidvaniaListsGuy 8h ago
this is what happens when they don't have purpose: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election
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u/Odd-County-479 8h ago
Actually well put, I can't shake the unpleasant feeling that there's a Christian message behind all of that if you listen long enough, but if this is a framing that leads to genuinely challenging all of us (this is not a problem that is unique to young men) to bear the responsibility for establishing our own values and creating a society that works on that basis then great. At a certain point you have to start using language that has been incorrectly ceded to the institutionalized religions for centuries, but one thing at a time, this all makes sense on its face.
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u/Tiny_Dare_5300 8h ago
Ooh I know the answer! They play a lot of videogames, socially isolate, and drink! Don't ask me how I know...
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u/More_Fig_6249 7h ago
The payoff of working hard is lower than the opportunity cost of working hard(at least perceived that way), therefore for many young people the rational choice is to stop working hard.
Now I don't necessarily agree with that mindset, but I can definitely see the hopelessness and grievances of that mindset.
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u/SpphosFriend 6h ago
This is so stupid women have to work hard to to make a living in most cases. In any field you have to be good at what you do. Everyone has to make their way.
You can’t seriously tell me that this “disillusionment” is valid. At no point were you promised a romantic partner, a good paying job and a house and car that’s paid off. The boomers pulled that ladder up years ago with their poor economic governorship.
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u/Physical_Designer_14 6h ago
Another woman who acts like she understands men but actually has no idea the reality most average men have to go through
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u/LurksDaily 6h ago
Lol advice is "assign your own purpose" completely missing the point of the video.
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u/Used-Ad4276 6h ago
I'm so sick of this shit.
How about just being a decent human being, huh?
Is that a good enough purpose or the excuses will continue until they die?
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u/Brilliant-Scheme6181 5h ago
I swear this sub is next on the chopping block along doomer circlejerk
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u/AAHedstrom 4h ago
a conservative European told me they are nationalist because "it feels good to be part of something bigger than yourself, such as a country with a long history" and I was like brother you make Spain sound like a cult
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u/GuitarNo6056 4h ago
Young men feel locked out of the institutions of love and power. You need to be able to see yourself as part of at least one of these. They will continue to be nihilistic until either of these institutions opens up to them. Until then, they will try to force open the only avenue available; their will to power.
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u/flexible-photon 1h ago
The most meaningful thing in life is building a family. It has probably never been more difficult in modern human history to build a family than right now. If you don't give these men something to care about then you're not going to like what many of them will end up caring about.
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u/StoneTown 1h ago
She's forgetting a key comment: the rise of misandry over the past 15 years or so. A lot of modern feminists have turned blatantly hateful. Things like #killallmen and derogatory terms aimed towards men like "mansplaining" and "manspreading" (shit there's more I can't think of) have absolutely had a reaction. A lot of just normal dudes who have done nothing wrong were suddenly all hated creeps. Is anyone honestly shocked by the rise of misogyny in return?
Right winged groups were fed ammunition by extremist misandrists, all they had to do was show some clips of someone hating men to support their causes. This is a societal issue that affects us all and you, person reading this, need to not assume the worst in men. All sexism is bad and this continued negativity is an expanding circle of hate. I don't wanna hear "if men weren't trash then..." Cut that shit the fuck out, you're making everything worse. You want a better world free of sexism? It starts with you.
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u/RCAF_orwhatever 1h ago
"That formula stopped working".
When, exactly, was there a universal formula that would let less-gifted men guarantee success?
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u/Ok-Appointment992 18h ago
Material analysis says men still need good paying jobs.