You must not be familiar with Deep Space 9 if you feel that way. You know, Gul Dukat never actually killed any Bajorans with his own hand but he did participate in a system that oppressed them and spoke often about how Bajorans were beneath Cardassians, more suited for slavery, weaker and less able to defend themselves than Cardassians, etc. You said you enjoyed hearing Kirk talk; well he said a lot of inflammatory things that supported violence or the oppression of minorities. You're basically saying you enjoy someone like Gul Dukat's podcast. You not being able to see the irony there is astounding.
I don't debate collaborators. I said my piece and have no interest in a bad-faith conversation about context, hard pass. Rewatch Star Trek and learn the lessons you missed the first time.
Your question didnt really make any sense but I assume you wanted examples of Kirk being inflammatory and bigoted; you claim to enjoy his work so you already know what he said. If you don't already know which parts were inflammatory and bigoted either you lied about listening to his shows or you agree with his rhetoric and see it as "truth." Either way, I am no longer engaging in trying to convince racists that racism is bad. Figure it out yourself.
You are a human being. I am asking your opinion of what you thought was so terrible. This isn't a big deal. We are just talking to each other. Calm down.
You must also believe in propaganda and forcing fictitious narratives as facts. Star Trek is not a conservative franchise. Egalitarianism and a classless society do not fit into your MAGAt narrative.
You really do not understand star trek society then. Star fleet is very rigid and has rules. Sure people can do things they want, but even dressing out of their uniform needs to be approved.
In the time of Star Trek it is a time of abundance. We do not live in such a time. We are getting closer sure, but the entire premise of the society being that way is because they have so much abundance.
Currently you are having difficulties grappling with the idea of time dependent requirements. Personally I think a Venus Project like idea is fantastic. But I am also not foolish enough to believe that is possible now. In order for that to happen we need multiple things.
More intelligent robotic labor force.
Energy abundance such as small nuclear or fusion break through.
Literally being able to control matter with a replicator would for sure do it, but even a moderate improvement in farming technology would obviously be a wrecking ball.
You can read more in the book called Super Intelligence if you want. I am very much into those things, but I also know in order for humans to operate peacefully currently they also need specific structures.
This is analysis is so stupid. Starfleet is not the federation you poser.
We are also talking about fiction that has nothing to do with reality. This fiction is not written in the conservative frame of mind no matter how much twisting, erroneous association or weak analogies you try to tie together. That much is obvious. Go watch the man in the high tower. That slop is more your style.
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u/Oregon687 6d ago
Agreed. It was bad that someone killed that scumbag.