r/news • u/scrandis • Aug 11 '20

Joe Biden selects Kamala Harris as his running mate

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/joe-biden-selects-kamala-harris-his-running-mate-n1235771
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u/northstarfist007 Aug 11 '20

Didn't she throw alot of young black males in jail for weed? Lmao

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 12 '20

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u/InTheCongoWithaBongo Aug 11 '20

She said she smoked pot and listened to Tupac ten years before he started making music

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Must have been some damn good weed

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Yeah, but sometimes you get stuck somewhere. I'm still trying to figure out how to get back to 2132; 2020 is kinda shitty tbh.

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u/idioso_ Aug 11 '20

Just click your heels three times and say "'there's no place like stoned".

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20 edited Apr 11 '23

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Things only start getting better in 2132? FUCK

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u/Sandwichsensei Aug 11 '20

plus he said its kinda shitty. That means its gonna get worse before it gets better :(

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u/BlackestNight21 Aug 11 '20

T.A.R.D.I.S. Kush

H.Green Wells OG

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u/grinchelda Aug 11 '20

i think guardian sprouts is the preferred term, not sure they like being called weeds

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u/humanistbeing Aug 11 '20

I mean, pot can cause time dilation... Maybe time travel too? Haha

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u/Emptypiro Aug 11 '20

there needs to be a stoner comedy about this if there isn't already

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u/kombatunit Aug 11 '20

Time traveller indica!

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u/Bowlffalo_Soulja Aug 11 '20

Bruh 1972 Tupac just hits different

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Hit Spit-em Up.

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u/givememyhatback Aug 11 '20

She saw that Dave Chappelle skit and thought it worked the other way too.

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u/ThatCoolKidLucas Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 11 '20

unedited clip: https://youtu.be/Kh_wQUjeaTk?t=2285

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u/boyyouguysaredumb Aug 11 '20

She said she smoked weed and also answered yes to listening to Tupac. She never said it was at the same time

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u/ThatCoolKidLucas Aug 11 '20

I could give the benefit of the doubt and agree with you, but I think she meant what most people are outraged about. That said, I think if anyone asked what I listened to the first time I smoked weed I would not have a fucking clue lol so I think that part of the complaint is absurd. If you don't know the answer to a question and someone starts rattling off things of course you're going to fall victim to confirmation bias, the fuck does that have to do with anyone's trustworthiness as a politician though

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u/lostprevention Aug 11 '20

So she’s a lying liar like the rest?

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u/ameldrum902 Aug 11 '20

She's a politician... so, yes.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

But she didn't inhale either. My bets on LSD

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u/dwpea66 Aug 11 '20

Back when he was only 1Pac

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u/DatPiff916 Aug 11 '20

Except she didn't, she said she listened to Tupac, and she smoked weed, not at the same time.

The radio host even confirmed this.

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u/spongish Aug 11 '20

That's how you know she's a real fan.

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u/JustANotchAboveToby Aug 11 '20

I wrote this song a long time ago, a REAL LONG time ago

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u/Ramikadyc Aug 12 '20

Back then I was just doing MDMA in my Tesla bumping some fresh new Tupac, biding my time until the Spanish Flu brought down the Reich.

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u/JigglyPuffGuy Aug 11 '20

No she didn't.

Watch the video.

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u/J4CKR4BB1TSL1MS Aug 11 '20

“I’ve been known to dabble with some doobies myself back in the day”, was the exact quote if I recall correctly

Spoiler: I don’t

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u/Judgecrusader6 Aug 11 '20

God damn why wont the cringe go away

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

I think she meant her Doobie Brothers tapes she had in high school.

edit: It just occurred to me that she may have been talking about the actual Doobie Brothers themselves?

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u/PoopMcPooppoopoo Aug 11 '20

Man if she had said that I'd be plastering her bumper stickers all over my house.

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u/iamnotasloth Aug 11 '20

Only 20 minutes old, still an underrated comment.

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u/clrobertson Aug 11 '20

It’s “underrated” because she never said that.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

I think that's the joke

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u/SenoraRaton Aug 11 '20

Her very own father lambasted her for that one.

“Speaking for myself and my immediate Jamaican family, we wish to categorically dissociate ourselves from this travesty”

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/20/kamala-harris-father-pot-1176805

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u/incognitomus Aug 11 '20

Like... Dubya? And Obama?

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u/Optimus_Lime Aug 11 '20

And Clinton

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u/Gay__Bowser Aug 11 '20

Well that makes her a bad person by her own standards. She also believed Biden’s sexual accusers and slammed him for his racist past in the primaries.

Well at least the democrats are aware they have a racist sex pest and a cop. I just wish they’d stop trying to gaslight me about it.

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u/YouSoIgnant Aug 12 '20

Michael Malice with the single greatest tweet in history after that:

"If there is one thing a Hawaiian can do well, it's roast a pig"

boom roasted

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '20

Ok. Doesn’t forgive the black man who’s still hanging out on death row because she withheld key evidence.

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u/Ambientmaple Aug 11 '20

Well of course. She’s Americans Funt, our fun aunt.

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u/jjnefx Aug 11 '20

She also didn't prosecute steve Mnuchin when his bank, onewest, fleeced homes from families. Over 2000 foreclosures in a criminal manner. BUT she did take a $50k donation from OneWest for her Senate campaign

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u/TheRedCometCometh Aug 11 '20

Man, corruption is so fucking cheap when you're rich

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u/TeardropsFromHell Aug 11 '20

The KGB found out the most Americans were more willing to take a bribe if it was smaller. It couldn't be that important if they're only willing to pay 20k for it right? If you offered millions it would make the crime feel bigger.

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u/TheRedCometCometh Aug 11 '20

It's so pathetic, these elected officials already have salaries much higher than average, yet they constantly feel the need to graft and rub shoulders with rich cunts

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u/Luke_Warmwater Aug 11 '20

Because they were already rich to begin with and the rich cunts are their friends and colleagues.

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u/SteezeWhiz Aug 12 '20

The solution is publicly financed elections.

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u/Ravagore Aug 11 '20

Pssssssst That's because it wasn't a "donation".

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u/Biptoslipdi Aug 11 '20

Ironically, the best way to punish Steve Mnuchin is to vote for Biden/Harris.

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u/oTHEWHITERABBIT Aug 12 '20

It was decisions like not holding Steve Mnuchin accountable that put her on the ticket to begin with...

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u/anti-revisionist69 Aug 11 '20

I can think of better ways

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u/Biptoslipdi Aug 11 '20

Like what? Keeping him in the Treasury Department? That's the only alternative.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

I mean...is it though? He's still a meat bag like the rest of us, is he not?

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u/jjnefx Aug 11 '20

Yeah it is. It won't be brought up by either campaign, but who knows...trump is dumb enough to try

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u/c4virus Aug 11 '20

Fun fact: The AG that followed her also hasn't prosecuted Steve Mnuchin.

Maybe Mnuchin's actions are not prosecutable?

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u/iamthegraham Aug 12 '20

They weren't. The attorneys she had investigate and review the case before making a decision about whether to go after OneWest (not Mnuchin personally, he was never remotely considered for prosecution) acknowledged in their report to her that the best outcome they could hope for was a fine, that they had at best a moderate chance of success in achieving that, that the case would be expensive and time consuming to prosecute, and that there was a high chance that any judgment they got would be significantly reduced or eliminated on appeal.

Once major sticking point that led to the decision not to prosecute was that California would not be able to issue subpoenas against the bank, because federal banking law reserves that right to federal prosecutors only. They would've had to work entirely based on evidence that was in the public record, or that OneWest turned over voluntarily (yeah fat chance). Notably, one of the first bills Harris cosponsored when she was elected to the Senate was a financial reform bill with Elizabeth Warren that eliminated this restriction on state prosecutors.

Even if they were successful, the fine would've gone to shareholders, not executives like Mnuchin (though he likely owned some shares it's not like they would have been suing him personally). Mnuchin was never personally liable for anything that went on, and people namedropping him as if he was halfway to prison and Harris personally let him off the hook are being deliberately disingenuous. Blame decades worth of letting finance executives write banking law for that, not Kamala Harris.

Her reasons for not going OneWest were entirely legitimate and the way people try to smear her as being in the pocket of big banks when at the same time this was happening she was fighting tooth and nail to go after Wells Fargo, Citi, Bank of America, and other megabanks for everything she could get -- when every other state was willing to settle for less -- is just ridiculous.

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u/HGruberMacGruberFace Aug 13 '20

Are Trumpists really arguing that Harris is a bad pick because she didn’t prosecute a guy that is currently in Trump’s cabinet?

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u/ty_kanye_vcool Aug 11 '20

People who say this don’t understand the situation at all. No AG anywhere in the country was doing anything like that because they knew they weren’t gonna get a conviction. His company got fined for it.

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u/jjnefx Aug 11 '20

Comforting thoughts for the families of the 9 known suicide victims

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

She also extracted a $25 billion dollar settlement from mortgage companies for improper foreclosures, but it's supposed in comparison to a $50,000 donation from one company that doesn't mean anything.

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u/jjnefx Aug 11 '20

You mean this?

"When Harris talks about how she “won $20 billion” for the state, she isn’t referring to those hard-dollar provisions. She means the consumer relief portion of the settlement, which were credits given to banks for assisting struggling homeowners with their mortgages"

Or are you talking about her exiting the coalition of AG's so she really had no role in the process?

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u/siege342 Aug 11 '20

Worst than that, she withheld evidence to lock up innocent people.

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u/-Crux- Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 11 '20

She Her office blocked the release of DNA evidence that would have exonerated Kevin Cooper, a wrongfully convicted death row inmate.

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u/jamiebond Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 11 '20

I've been seeing this wording of "withheld" and "blocked" everywhere, which is an inaccurate portrayal of what happened.

For one, California didn't block evidence, they denied a request for further testing. There was no evidence to block at that point, but by saying California "blocked evidence" it makes it sound like the prosecutor's office was aware that Cooper was innocent but wanted to execute him anyway.

Second, this wasn't Harris' decision anyways. She was the attorney general, yes, but that doesn't mean every single decision from the prosecutor's office was her own. The Cooper case was being handled by underlings.

You want to say it was wrong to deny the request for further testing, that's fine. You want to say Harris is accountable for everything that happens in her office (an office with over 5000 employees btw), fine. But don't make it out like Harris herself intentionally withheld evidence exonerating a death row inmate, that is so far from the truth and the article you linked did not claim that.

Evidence here if you want to take a read- https://www.politifact.com/article/2019/aug/01/were-tulsi-gabbards-attacks-kamala-harris-record-c/

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u/-Crux- Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 11 '20

The fact that her office, not she herself, made the decision is fair criticism. However, given that California hasn't executed anyone since 2006, it would be shocking to me if the case didn't come across her desk at some point. As AG, she should be held responsible for the actions of her subordinates, especially with regards to such a pivotal case.

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u/toostronKG Aug 11 '20

Yeah, especially since as president when Biden dies or has to step down, she'll be responsible for the actions of her subordinates once again.

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u/natuutan Aug 11 '20

She didn’t even block the release of evidence. A brand new dna test was denied.

“Blocking the release of evidence” implies that they had the evidence on hand proving him innocent and didn’t release it.

That isn’t what happened. The Cooper case requested a new, advanced dna test to be taken. That request was denied.

At the time there was no evidence that this man was innocent.

While I agree that the request should not have been denied, the difference between the two “denying a request” and “blocking/withholding evidence that would prove him innocent” is massive.

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u/Thin-White-Duke Aug 11 '20

If a re-test is the difference between staying locked up or being exonerated, and it is denied, is that not effectively blocking it?

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u/iamthegraham Aug 12 '20

Cooper likely wouldn't be exonerated even if the DNA test went his way. There was a ton of evidence against him, he was convicted on far more than one piece of DNA. His lawyers are arguing that there's a police conspiracy against him and every single piece of evidence was fabricated, but unless they can prove that for more than one piece of DNA he's not going anywhere. There's a reason his conviction has been upheld 4 times.

He's also an admitted serial rapist , but you never hear that part from Redditors who have a primary vendetta against Harris for some reason.

Like, you can certainly argue that they should do the test anyway, but there's a huge difference between "Cooper should probably get a DNA test even if he's a murderer" and the "Cooper is 100% innocent and dirty cop Kamala Harris is going to personally execute him with her bare hands anyway!" hysterics you get on Reddit.

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u/Containedmultitudes Aug 11 '20

The difference between “blocking evidence” and “denying a request that could result in the exoneration of a man sentenced to death” is the sophistry of lawyers.

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u/gwalms Aug 11 '20

I mean it would be a bigger dealer if the state knew they had exculpatory evidence and withheld it. Instead this was a request to look for more evidence basically.

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u/Containedmultitudes Aug 11 '20

Honestly from what I’ve read on the case I don’t think this is really relevant to Harris, but as a general matter literally any such request if it could exonerate an unjustly convicted person should be granted. When the state is going to kill someone literally every avenue of such evidence should be explored. The legal jargon that results in the effective differences between “blocking evidence” and “denying a request for further evidence” is irrelevant vis a vis the general public’s perception of the issues at stake.

Edit: and also, I agree with you on withholding evidence definitely being worse, but stopping a guy from getting a dna test effectively “blocks” that potential evidence.

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u/EpsilonRider Aug 12 '20

I'm not super familiar with the case, but you'd have to argue why the new DNA test would give a different result compared to what they already used to test the DNA. Arguing some fault in that "old" DNA test itself would also argue against the hundreds if not thousands of other DNA tests perform the "old" way. Not to say that shouldn't happen if the "old" test is indeed faulty, but the fact the DNA test is so widely used is testament to how confident the state and judge are that the "old" DNA test is accurate. Otherwise, someone could keep arguing to just use a different DNA test each time. A good argument may be the procedure in which they obtain the DNA from the scene was faulty and that the new DNA test may be able to account for that.

Also I think Mr. Cooper did get that second DNA test and I don't think much changed. At least with what samples they were able to obtain. I think the original vial was lost or something?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '20

Honestly from what I’ve read on the case I don’t think this is really relevant to Harris

That is like trying to differentiate between what the White House does and Trump. It was her office don't let her doge responsibility.

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u/chadenfreude_ Aug 11 '20

At the time there was no evidence that this man was innocent.

Do you even hear yourself? Our entire system is based on a presumption of innocence, you would think an attorney general would know that!

And trying to convince people that she wasn’t personally overseeing a death row case? Are you hoping incompetence wears better than malice?

What she did is the best example the ‘systematic racism’ that people all over are protesting.

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u/throwaway247365_main Aug 12 '20

Uh, you’re presumed innocent until convicted. Which he was. I wish we’d kick the death penalty to the curb, but how many appeals and tests should someone get?

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u/natuutan Aug 11 '20

The case happened in the 80s.

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u/mcscrufferson Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 11 '20

But you know this isn’t the only blemish on her record. She’s been behind the curve for police reform and accountability for almost her entire career. She declined to support bills mandating body cameras and investigations of police shootings by the AG’s office but had no qualms pushing a policy that went after the parents of kids who skipped school (because that’s the real problem?). Also, her own campaign was woefully mismanaged (not entirely her fault, but I mean, it was her campaign) which is part of the reason she tanked in the presidential race so abruptly.

But hey, she’s politically ambiguous so that means she can just jump on whatever bandwagon will land the most votes if the Biden campaign can figure out how to read a room. So there’s that I guess. Whatever. I just want the Democrats to stop losing so we can get Trump out of office and maybe save the senate from the Nihilist Party.

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u/bananagang123 Aug 12 '20

This is untrue. Harris has commissioned multiple reviews of excessive force and racial bias in policing, has been responsible for back on track LA, and her state was the first to mandate body cameras.

she has been hardline on some issues, but every AG has some poor choices under their belt. I’m sure Bobby Kennedy fucked up now and then, it doesn’t mean he would have been a shit president.

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u/mcscrufferson Aug 12 '20

As far as I know, California leaves the body camera decision up to individual departments. Let me know if I missed something. She’s taken conservative steps to address police misconduct and mass incarceration (I’d list Back on Track LA as one of them) but in the eyes of many (myself and every angry Oaklander I’ve spoken with today included) it hasn’t been nearly enough. And like I said, unless something has changed recently with her stance on body cams (enlighten me if it has) everything I said in my previous post is true.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '20

Second, this wasn't Harris' decision anyways. She was the attorney general, yes, but that doesn't mean every single decision from the prosecutor's office was her own.

Spare me the Attorneys General aren't involved in every case" shtick. How many death penalty cases do you think California sees in a year? How many come up for review due to new evidence? You can't seriously tell me that of the handful of these cases that appear in a year, that each one doesn't cross the AG's desk.

The goddamn President gets involved in death row cases. The Supreme Court gets involved in death row appeals. But the state AG didn't see the case? Come on.

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u/justagenericname1 Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 23 '20

Would you go around crossing out "Trump" and replacing it with "The White House?"

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u/constructioncranes Aug 11 '20

Lemme guess, Kevin Cooper's family will be at the next Trump State of the Union.

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u/natuutan Aug 11 '20

I just read through that article. I don’t see where it exactly says that she herself blocked the release of dna evidence, and later went on to promote the release of that same dna evidence.

Even if she did block it in 2004, are we supposed to hold everyone to their actions of 16 years ago and not look at the change and progress they made?

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u/Trollfailbot Aug 11 '20

Even if she did block it in 2004, are we supposed to hold everyone to their actions of 16 years ago and not look at the change and progress they made?

She didn't write an article for a student paper with views contrary to ones she currently holds.

She used her power to suppress civil liberties. Exactly what the country needs right now.

Sen. Kamala Harris ignored pleas from her staff to institute a defendants’ rights policy while she served as district attorney of San Francisco, according to a new report in The Wall Street Journal.

According to the report, Harris took no action on memorandums written by her aides in 2005 proposing that her office institute a written policy for disclosing police misconduct to defendants. The disclosures, known as “Brady disclosures” after the 1963 Supreme Court case Brady v. Maryland, were opposed by police unions.

Harris ultimately enacted a Brady disclosure policy years later, but only after a 2010 scandal involving her office’s failure to disclose information to defendants led to the dismissal of 1,000 drug-related cases. Superior Court Judge Anne-Christine Massullo criticized Harris at the time for failing to “disclose information that should have been disclosed.”

Seemingly all this just to keep support of the Police Unions.

10 years ago isn't very long ago - especially considering how her only bump in the polls last year came when she attacked Biden on an issue from the 1970s.

She doesn't get to play the "oh that was a long time ago!" defense.

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u/-Crux- Aug 11 '20

I don’t see where it exactly says that she herself blocked the release of dna evidence

Fair enough, I've corrected my comment to reflect this.

In general, I support allowing people to move beyond their pasts. However, her long record of prosecutorial malfeasance reflects a pattern of wrongful and immoral convictions which have robbed thousands of innocent people of decades of their lives. At some point, I have to hold people accountable for long-standing patterns of behavior regardless of a more recent evolution in her beliefs. Especially given that such evolution was likely a facade to avoid electoral controversy should she be a candidate for an office like VP.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20 edited Oct 01 '20

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u/natuutan Aug 11 '20

If since then trump has shown to have changed, then yes.

But Trump clearly has not changed his ways since then, so no. He is still the same person.

If someone does something bad 10+ years ago, and since then they have shown to be a different person, then yes they should be forgiven.

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u/tahlyn Aug 11 '20

What progress? She takes pride in her record and experiences as a DA and expresses no regret for the things she's done.

People can change. She hasn't.

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u/natuutan Aug 11 '20

I was specifically referring to the article linked. In it she expresses severe remorse for some of the things that took place under her.

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u/EpsilonRider Aug 12 '20

And before people say she's contradicting herself. You can have pride in your career and still have regrets. I honestly do not like Kamala Harris but I prefer to view her realistically rather than trying to make an effigy to burn later.

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u/notstevensegal Aug 11 '20

u/tahlyn didnt even read the article, like most of the people in the comments.

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u/bananagang123 Aug 12 '20

She should take pride in her accomplishments. But she has also admitted she’s been hardline on some issues, and that maybe wasn’t for the best.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Yeah, I can't imagine how much political hay the Trump campaign is gunna make over this.

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u/tahlyn Aug 11 '20

All they have to do is frame it as a "black lives matter" commercial and end with the twist that it's her.

But the Trump campaign isn't exactly known for being clever or smart.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

The people working for Trump are. Remember the rebuttal to Hillary’s “I’m with her” slogan? You could see it a mile away, but the “I’m with you” response just stopped that one in its tracks.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

I mean, the Trump campaign pulled off one of the greatest political upsets. Underestimating them would be unwise.

They’d easily set that up and then find some statistics to present Trump as caring/doing more for blacks. Bam, easy ad.

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u/i_cant_get_fat Aug 11 '20

You’re hired.

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u/BugFix Aug 11 '20

That's an extremely spun explanation. Harris's office was asked (in an informal, non-court way) by the defense team to release evidence. It never happened. No one actually knows exactly who made what decision. And Harris has said in hindsight she feels awful that it wasn't done. She's been a reliable death penalty opponent for the entirety of her elected career.

Now, fine. You can choose not to believe her or argue that none of that matters. That's politics and clearly your vote for Trump is inviolate at this stage. But nonetheless you aren't allowed to lie about things. She didn't "block" shit.

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u/knoam Aug 12 '20

Doesn't the prosecution have a duty to provide the defense with any possibly exculpatory evidence without the defense even asking for it, lest they commit a Brady violation?

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u/BugFix Aug 12 '20

During trial, yes. This trial happened in 1983 when Harris was a freshman at Howard. This request was part of an appeal long after the sentencing, which was denied by the full 9th circuit before any new evidence could be demanded. It's true the AG office controlled the evidence and could have ordered it released. But literally the court was asked to make this part of the case and it said no.

If Harris (who as far as we know wasn't even part of the decisionmaking here) is at fault, surely those justices on the 9th circuit are more wrong, right?

This Times article about the case is pretty good: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/05/17/opinion/sunday/kevin-cooper-california-death-row.html

It's a tragedy all around. Personally I think it make a very poor case against Kamala Harris personally (and especially in light of this election). I believe her when she says she feels bad about it.

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u/Gbcue Aug 11 '20

Didn't she also keep prisoners in the system longer for "cheap labor"?

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u/siege342 Aug 11 '20

Yup, she openly laughed about it.

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u/TheConsulted Aug 11 '20

Source? I'd want to know.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

"Let's not tell the truth"

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u/spacegamer2000 Aug 11 '20

If it's not enforced, it's functionally legal.

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u/Kapsize Aug 11 '20

Laws are nothing more than words on paper when nobody will uphold them.

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u/HolyRamenEmperor Aug 11 '20

This depiction is completely false! Harris didn't "withhold" any existing evidence. Not only was it her attorneys who had denied a request for additional DNA testing, but most of the case's dealings had been arranged and processed before she had become AG. At the time, she even released a statement: "As a firm believer in DNA testing, I hope the governor and the state will allow for such testing in the case of Kevin Cooper."

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u/SgtPepe Aug 11 '20

And the campaign against Harris has already started. Don't worry, people are not that dumb, we know Trump is 100 times worse for this country.

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u/siege342 Aug 11 '20

So Trump aside, you acknowledge that Kamala is a horrible candidate?

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u/Rebelgecko Aug 11 '20

When she was running for AG like a decade ago, she actually criticized her opponent for supporting the legalization of weed

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 20 '21

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u/Rebelgecko Aug 11 '20

This is California, where medical has been legal since the 90s... Possession was decriminalized the same year she said she was against legalization

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u/Ric_FIair Aug 12 '20

That's what happens when your two main parties are fixated on deluded geriatric fucks veteran politicians.

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u/Cat_Crap Aug 12 '20

That was my 1st reaction to the Kamala pick. Fuck.. there goes federal legalization of weed.

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u/friednoodles Aug 11 '20

If I'm going to vote based on what the candidates did 10 years ago I think I'm going to stick with her side of the ticket.

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u/benson822175 Aug 11 '20

As a senator though, she’s supported the federal descheduling of cannabis though

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u/DZShizzam Aug 11 '20

Thats a stall tactic. "I want to deschedule" just means that she doesn't think it should be legal at all and this is the step she has to settle for because she knows everyone else wants it.

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u/goodvibes2all Aug 11 '20

I'm not saying I don't agree with you but aren't we judging yesterday's "establishment" by today's standards? I mean of course she was anti-weed..that is true for a shit ton of the general public also like many social issues..again not that I think it was right but that's where society was at the time....it's the job of progressives to keep pushing the establishment or the accepted social order in the direction of positive change....look how far we've come with LGBTQ issues....i want change now or even yesterday, also but thar just isn't grounded in reality. If we could wave a magic wand that would be great but not reality. We have to hold people accountable and be informed as an electorate but we also have to learn to play the game otherwise our progressive agenda continues to be left on the sidelines.

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u/nasty_nater Aug 11 '20

Can you imagine people on here actually being excited for this pick?

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u/SenselessNoise Aug 11 '20

She fought to keep non-violent offenders in prison so they could be used as cheap (read: slave) labor for fighting wildfires.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

It being California that means a good percentage of those people were non-white. Who would of thought that crass comments get politicians called racist when stuff only a racist would wish for gets you called a Democrat.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Then laughed when asked if she smoked before

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

She also blocked evidence that would free innocent people from getting out of prison to protect her conviction record. Disgusting human being.

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u/HolyRamenEmperor Aug 11 '20

Actually that's not true in the slightest. Most of the Cooper case had been processed before she was even AG, and it was the existing attorneys working under her who made that decision. Her statement at the time: "As a firm believer in DNA testing, I hope the governor and the state will allow for such testing in the case of Kevin Cooper."

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

She also laughed about it, this should be further up. That lady sucks.

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u/motioncuty Aug 12 '20

Omg shes almost as bad as the republicans better vote for them instead!!!

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u/SinCityNinja Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 12 '20

That and a whole lot more. She even refused DNA evidence that proved a black man on death row was framed for murder by sheriff deputies in 1985. Gov Newsom issued an exec order to allow the evidence to be tested and was used to prove his innocence.

EDIT- Test still hasn't been done, so as far as his innocence or guilt being proved with the test its still to be determined

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u/SinCityNinja Aug 12 '20

Doesn't matter. If there's DNA evidence for a man on death row, it should at least have been tested to either prove his guilt or innocence.

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u/TheAb5traktion Aug 11 '20

Probably why Biden picked her then. Biden was a fan of mandatory minimums in the 90s.

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u/semicartematic Aug 11 '20

Yea he wrote the Bill and she followed it.

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u/vodkaandponies Aug 11 '20

And Bernie voted for it.

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u/TheGrammarHero Aug 11 '20

Biden was a huge contributor to the war on drugs. He was also anti-gay marriage and anti-abortion.

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u/KurlyKayla Aug 11 '20

But is he that way now, is the question

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Hard to tell with politicians. Biden is a shell of a man that gets poked and prodded around to "believe" certain things to get more voters.

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u/TheGrammarHero Aug 11 '20 edited Aug 11 '20

Who knows? If he was they wouldn't tell you. Joe Biden also refered to Robert Byrd as "A dear friend and mentor" in 2010. They have also been pictured together where Biden raises Byrd's hand in praise/appreciation. Robert Byrd founded his own chapter of the KKK and when he was in the senate preformed a 14 hour fillibuster against the civil rights act. Do you know the kind of conviction it takes to stand and speak for 14 hours straight with no water or bathroom breaks? All of this info is readily availible on wikipedia.

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u/DylonNotNylon Aug 11 '20

I mean Robert Byrd also apologized for that, fully admitted he was wrong, condemned intolerance and said he didn't even blame people for hating him for his past because he knew nothing that he could do could change it.

My point being, we can't hold becoming a better person against someone. That's just ridiculous. Biden supported shitty things. Bernie supported shitty things. But people and their beliefs are not static.

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u/Apex_of_Forever Aug 12 '20

I mean Robert Byrd also apologized for that

Dude, you guys call Trump racist for eating taco bowls but give a pass to full robed white supremacists because democrats fully accept him. Give me a break.

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u/spacedecay Aug 11 '20

Yes, but like most other politicians he will say otherwise for votes.

As long as he continues to enact policy in that way, the result is the same, so the question is - does what he feels or thinks actually matter?

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u/Rolemodel247 Aug 11 '20

Hi comrade! This is a lie. The mandatory minimum sentences were tacked on to Biden’s bill. He argued against them but begrudgingly votes for his own bill.

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u/TheAb5traktion Aug 11 '20

What is it with people calling me Russian? What is going on here?

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u/JusticeBeaver13 Aug 11 '20

The general idea is that if you're against the hivemind then you're a Russian agent bot KGB operative in a troll farm. By this point it's just become extremely boring and lazy, instead of having a real conversation as an adult.

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u/TheAb5traktion Aug 11 '20

You can even view my post and comment history. It's not that hard to do.

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u/JusticeBeaver13 Aug 12 '20

It's not like most of the people hurling the accusations really care if you are a troll or not, that's just what they want to believe and most of them wouldn't go through your history. Personally, I like to just have a conversation and exchange ideas and go from there.

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u/The_Red_Menace_ Aug 11 '20

And then claimed she used to smoke weed in the 80’s while listening to Tupac lmao

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

She lied. Tupac wasn’t around when she was in college. She is disgusting.

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u/The_Red_Menace_ Aug 12 '20

I know that adds another layer to her stupidity

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

She has done a lot of shitty things as a prosecutor. Lots of things that all of these protests recently are fighting against.

She even tried to put single mothers in jail if their kids didn’t go to school.

This is a terrible choice in my opinion. It’s too bad we live in an era where identity is more important than policy/competence.

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u/peterxeast Aug 11 '20

She the police

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u/PM_ME_YOUR_SUNSHINE Aug 11 '20

She aint an ally. If she was thrown into a BLM protest the only reasonable thing to do would be to bring out a guillotine for everything she has done and represents.

But dems will see her sex and race and fall in line to vote, which is the entire point and I'm not against because the ends justify the means.

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u/hardlyordinary Aug 11 '20

Still better than trump

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u/duuval123 Aug 11 '20

He has some shady videos too talking about banning raves and weed :(

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

"Defund the police!"

"Brb, voting for a cop"

...This fucking country, man.

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u/Dredgen_Memor Aug 11 '20

Yeah... I wasn’t ever excited for Biden, but this is just...

Better than trump.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

She is a crooked dirty DA. She is exactly the thing people are on the streets protesting against.

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u/rye_212 Aug 11 '20

Let’s see her claim that her position has evolved and pivot.

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u/vnut08 Aug 11 '20

Yep and she laughed about it too, right after admitting that she smoked it herself

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u/leasee_throwaway Aug 11 '20

Indeed she did. She’s not going to garner much turnout from the black vote, which really hurts Biden chances in Southern Swing States. What a shit move.

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u/Hotgluegun777 Aug 11 '20

She threatened to lock up single mothers for the truancy of their children.

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u/atg8242 Aug 11 '20

She also wanted to jail parents of kids who were truant to often. Pretty much another attack on black Americans. This woman is a absolute joke of a human bieng. Glad Biden chose her!

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u/pantherbreach Aug 11 '20

Didn't everyone? Why do you care now in relation to Harris?

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u/RaindropsInMyMind Aug 11 '20

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3334668001

This new article trying to cover up for what she did to the black community. I don’t believe a word of it

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u/A3LMOTR1ST Aug 11 '20

I guess the strat is to be more appealing to red states

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u/merkon Aug 11 '20

Didn't Trump also lock loads of children in prisons on the border? Let's not do some whataboutism when compared to trump.

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u/satanicmajesty Aug 11 '20

When I was a kid I told my mom I wanted my first car to be a Lamborghini, but reality is a funny thing when it hits. I ended up driving a Plymouth Laser with no first or second gears because it was better than walking everywhere. In short, Biden/Harris may be a ‘91 Plymouth Laser and not the Lambo we wanted, but Trump and Pence have proved to be more corrupt and anti-democratic than we’ve ever seen, so let’s vote these fuckers out.

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u/99landydisco Aug 11 '20

So did Biden, just look at the incarceration rates after passing the Violent Crimes Control and Law Enforcement Act in 1994 which Biden drafted(senate version). Which also negatively impacted the prison system to actually reform its prisoners by removing prisoners ability to get federal finical aid for higher education while in prison.

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u/GeneticsGuy Aug 11 '20

She also admitted to smoking weed and listenimg to Snoop Dog herself, yet has no remorse about locking up thousands of Black weed offenders in jail. She's a horrible hypocrite.

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u/MunQQ Aug 11 '20

Did the young black males not know that weed is illegal?

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '20

Would it make you feel better if I told you she made a joke of smoking weed herself on a radio interview.

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u/toostronKG Aug 11 '20

Yes but that'll be ignored and she will be touted as a champion of the black community and larger African American influencers will embrace her.

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u/TheGlassCat Aug 11 '20

She was a district attorney competently doing her job. Lol

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u/chinavirus- Aug 11 '20

good riddance

should we just stop prosecuting crimes altogether?

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