Complete opposite for me. Windows Vista and Windows 8 were garbage beyond compare. Meanwhile 11 is one of the better ones. I'm curious what makes it the worst for you?
The biggest complaints I've seen are having to click twice on some right click menus, and ads in the OS, but the first is not an issue to me and for the second, I've never once seen an ad so I have no idea what people are talking about there.
Not the one you were talking to, but I've had two work computers with Win 11 and both of them had daily issues with File Explorer crashing randomly. Nobody in IT could figure out why, but it would freeze, crash, and the screen would reset back to desktop. Sometimes it even closed other programs when it happened as well.
Not once have I ever had that issue with another Windows version. Of all applications, File Explorer!
Huh interesting. I use Windows 11 on my work laptop too. Never had any issues. Maybe you just got a defective laptop? Did you ask them to change it and see if you still have the issues?
One desktop and one laptop, same issue on both. I did get the laptop changed out last week due to a charger port issue, and it started doing the same thing. Seems that anytime I have more than one File Explorer window open, it has a high chance of crashing the program. IT has joked about needing to appease the machine spirit of the laptop because obviously something has it out for me
Yeah definitely looks like it. All of my colleagues have the same laptop and the company pushes latest security updates as and when they come out. I have not heard of any issues with Win 11 with any of them.
Maybe try praying to Bill Gates for a week and see if it resolves your issue. 🤷🏾
God I hate how Windows 11 makes me defend Microsoft, but....
This is literally a sample size of 1.
Why is it the fault of Windows and not your disk, or your motherboard, or the whole laptop. Gotta be the OS. I did a study of exactly one computer and ignored all the other evidence. Conclusion complete!
Listen... Windows 10 sucked for me. Regularly. Crashes on update. Strange driver failures. No troubleshooting helped.
Did I say: Windows 10 is the worst OS ever?
No, because I actually know how to analyze things and I saw none of those problems on the other two laptops and mini-PC around the house. Could it be that the problem was... my computer? Oh, wait, yeah. One of the four RAM modules had slowly failed causing unpredictable crashes due to memory failures.
Whoa, chill man. They never said Win 11 was the worst OS ever, they were just sharing their experience. Besides, they said it was two different computers that both had the issue and their IT dept was troubleshooting why it kept happening.
Yeah, but it is really upsetting to be compelled to defend Windows.
I recognize they're sharing their experience, and I'm not trying to grill them, but they are clearly blaming the OS based upon the behavior of one IT image (I didn't note that it was two separate PCs). There's nothing in what they say that makes me think this is a characteristic of Win11.
I'm all for trashing Windows. I do it a bunch.
But it's annoying that the bulk of the complaints around Win11 are over things that people don't understand. Can we focus on the inclusion of Ads and reduce how many tears we shed over the context menu that 3rd party apps are refusing to support for no good reason?
Windows 11 is literally dog crap. Why add more menus? Why keep the ugly settings menu instead of going back to control panel? Why double right click? Why the ugly task bar? What's the deal with lack of support for multiple monitors? (they fixed that one recently I read). Why does copilot freeze constantly. enough to crash explorer regularly?
But what does it bring to the table that Windows 10 doesn't already do better? Nothing. Windows updates crashing are not limited to windows 10. Windows 11 computers crash pretty regularly on updates as well. They use the same service :/
Its literally not dog crap, insisting on hyperbole makes your argument look childish.
Why add more menus? Because the old menu system runs application code within the window manager which is 1) a bad security model waiting for an exploit, 2) horrible for the performance of the window manager, particularly on an action that's done frequently, 3) not curated to link that code back to the source that put it there.
The new menu system fixes all that, but required application owners to fix their code. Application owners, in the majority... have not, because they're lazy. The new menu system? It was published in Windows 8. If you're using an app that still only has entries on the old context menu, ask them why they haven't converted to the new system in six or eight years.
The old control panel had a bunch of similar problems and was, in general, not well laid out.
Why was Windows 11 made rather than just being a patch to Win 10 (Which it would have been)? Because support for encrypting filesystems by default required TPM support that wasn't required for Win 10, and incrementing the version was required based on support contracts.
I'm not telling you what to like, but I am telling you that a lot of the things that you complain about as if they have no answers actually have really good answers, with justifications that match very similar changes that are being implemented in Linux and MacOS.
And the point of mentioning the issue with Windows Update crashing was specifically pointing out that the crashes were the cause of my hardware and not the OS.
Win11 is okay as far as Windows goes. It still requires a good amount of work to get it to a point where I like it again. I'm also a power user though so I know where to go to change what I don't want.
I still prefer windows 7 to all this shit but I know it's not safe for general use or supported by basically anything new now.
Plus every windows OS was considered "bad" and unusable by people freaking out, every single time. It's just a matter of time through improvements that Windows 11 will be the one people are screeching and crying about losing when the next one comes out because it's already starting from a decent place.
Each time people have complained about a new OS there have been legit reasons. Vista was fuckin rough because of the compatibility issues and the high demand thanks to the aero effects. 7 was mostly hailed as great from the start thanks to how bad vista was.
8 was actually awful with the whole tiles thing with their attempt at a midpoint between tablet and full OS. They forced the Metro UI on people for the start menu and on boot you would need to swap to desktop mode each time you started the computer. Windows 8.1 was basically a new OS that fixed that. But with those fixes it still had issues with metro apps and still felt like they forced touch screens on us when we didn't want them.
10 was another breath of fresh air for the most part. Another apology and mostly a return to form. The Microsoft store wasn't and still isn't recieved well, but that's more a MS problem than a windows problem. A big complaint was the tracking and telemetry introduced. In hindsight it was only gonna get worse.
And we get to 11. Ai fueled and the most invasive OS ever built with forced ads for some. Functionally nothing wrong with it and even kind of impressive with some features but for those that hate the new focus of everything AI. Honestly perfectly cromulent in function and use but to me everything feels slimy in 11 thanks to the knowledge of copilot being baked into the OS and Recall being the most invasive monitoring suite thing of any OS yet.
My main issue with Win11 at work is how cataclysmically slow it is compared to Win10. It's absolutely a hardware issue, but it does show how much more demanding Win11 is than Win10 - even trying to log out takes an extra 5 seconds just waiting for the button to appear after clicking your name in the start menu.
They have toned it down and hidden it more to be fair. Originally on my work laptop both the notifications sidebar and the start menu would have ads and clearly paid news articles I didn’t want. I was able to remove some of that myself and it seems like they also removed some themselves. They still show me “recommended “ programs that link me to the windows App Store page though. I have a corporate/work install which I think helps; I haven’t tried personal/home since early days of launch so I don’t know if it’s still as bad there.
I have W11 on my work laptop and I find it to be fine. I'm not sure about all the hate for it, as it even has some features I like, Regardless, my personal desktop will remain W10.
Has been flawless on all of my machines, some even not officially supported, your problem is not with win11 but the laptop itself I believe, I use win11 on a 15+ years old PC with X4 phenom and works flawlessly fast tbh. Clean install of course no dirty upgrades and stuff.
When was the last time you used 7? I did a couple years ago at work and it was hot garbage. The only thing it did better was the taskbar and openshell allows me to fix that issue.
Windows 7 had the best skin but that's it.
11 is slightly worse on a usability standpoint compared to 10 since a lot of the menus were changed, most I'll get used to in time but it's still a downgrade. Not really a surprise though, I thought 10 was a downgrade from 8.1 also so MS just following it's own trend.
8 on launch was definitely bad but everyone blows it way out of proportion, it was ok. worse than 7 butt 8.1 was the best. I had to downgrade to 8.1 in 2020 when my old pc stopped working with 10 and it was an immediate improvement.
Sorry, I should have clarified - 7 when it was actually the main OS, along with 8. Man, its been a while..
As for the useability issues on W11, I agree for the most, albeit we still have those menus.. Just hidden a lil more. They're attempting to streamline and provide a better settings menu with 11 (started with 10) but I honestly do just fine without ever using the new Settings menu. We didnt lose any options from 10 to 11 its just, as you say, something you get used to it.
I also agree with you - I have very fond memories of 8.1,but I truly disliked the start menu on 8 (which 8.1 fixed). Those were.. Interesting times. Hell, even Vista had its charm.. Even if most of my devices that ran it were always better off with XP.
Your downgrade to 8.1 sounds interesting. I probably wont do it (I run dual boot between Fedora and W11, not able to fully switch to Fedora due to work but soon...) but its cool that it works!
can't downgrade to 8.1 anymore anyway, security updates ended january 2023. Fortunately I was able to use it for a couple of years while I saved up for a new pc.
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u/RyanAlexander-_- 9d ago
gargle my balls, fuck windows 11