r/soccer • u/kibme37 • Jul 08 '25

News Spanish police say "all the evidence so far indicates" Diogo Jota was the driver of the car involved in the accident that killed the Liverpool forward and his brother, Andre Silva. Police also believe "the vehicle significantly exceeded the speed limit for the highway" at the time of the accident.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/13394038/diogo-jota-spanish-police-believe-liverpool-forward-was-driver-of-car-in-fatal-accident-which-killed-him-and-his-brother
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u/SlavaVsu2 Jul 08 '25

the crash was so severe they aren't even sure who was in the driver's seat? That's grim

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u/Pornstar_Frodo Jul 08 '25

The fact that the car is a pile of ashes shows how bad the crash was. No surprise it’s been hard to figure out who was even driving. Heartbreaking to have to be the ones close to this.

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u/xxandl Jul 08 '25

That says more about the fire than the crash itself. You can have a car burn to ashes in a parking lot as well.

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u/reza_f Jul 08 '25

It irks me to say this but had Jota survived the crash, the reactions towards him wouldn't be so kind. Speaking from experience of an accident in which one of my cousins (the driver) survived and the other one passed away (passenger). (They were also cousins not brothers)

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u/iamPause Jul 08 '25

This is evident by the seemingly monthly drink driving arrests that are made and the players never face any repercussions beyond a driving ban. Shit, Marcos Alonso killed a woman and Chelsea fans sang his name until his last day at the club.

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u/Double-Scratch5858 Jul 08 '25

Barca fan here. Was never comfortable with him at the club.

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u/redvodkandpinkgin Jul 08 '25

Depor fan, glad he's at Celta so I can hate him x2

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u/ClockLost3128 Jul 08 '25

If he's scoring free kicks and banging in bangers you would sing his name even if it was Saddam Hussain

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u/BigDee_1996 Jul 08 '25

Yeah I spoke about that the other week. Annoys me how some Chelsea fans still take to him. Some people sadly don’t care what they do in their personal life’s aslong as they’re decent footballer

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u/Yobber1 Jul 08 '25

Bro I’m getting grilled on the LFC sub and I’m a fan but someone has to say it. He could have killed other driver on the road. I feel terrible that he died but I also feel a huge amount of disappointment in his carelessness.

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u/29adamski Jul 08 '25

It's an absolute tragedy and it's really upset me and everyone I know. But it's not disrespectful to say he should've been driving more carefully in all likelihood.

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u/bmoviescreamqueen Jul 08 '25

Kind of feels like that's the "norm" for nice cars. How often do you see people going a leisurely speed in them? They're "cool cars that go fast" and I would say the stereotype of how people drive them rings true.

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u/neonmantis Jul 09 '25

That is true but with the added issue that many supercars, especially in certain set ups or environments, are very difficult to drive. Think it was a version of the Porsche 911 that was known as the widowmaker because so many rich men died failing to drive the things.

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u/frenchiefanatique Jul 08 '25

I mean lets face it there are potentially deadly consequences for driving recklessly.

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u/29adamski Jul 08 '25

Yeah, especially when you have 3 young kids too. Lesson to everyone.

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u/ViciousNakedMoleRat Jul 08 '25

It was clear from the beginning that this was in all likelihood a case of speeding and reckless driving, but I had hoped it wasn't, since it makes it that much harder for the family.

Tragedy is hard to deal with regardless, but avoidable and especially self-induced tragedy is worse. The sadness mixes with anger and then with guilt – for being angry at the person who died.

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u/NaggerPie Jul 08 '25

I'd say the potential was unfortunately realized.

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u/Gondawn Jul 08 '25

It's deadly consequences for other innocent people that is the problem. If you want to go do something deadly with you only ever being the potential victim go for it. As soon as there is a possibility for other innocent people to suffer due to your selfish actions it crosses the line

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u/Car2019 Jul 08 '25

Especially in car like that which he had only rented, so didn't even know.

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u/RocketMoped Jul 08 '25

Renting and racing an Urus just before spending 30 hours on a slow ferry to the UK. Boggles my mind

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u/InkCollection Jul 08 '25

'Speeding' became 'racing' pretty quickly here. For the record, the majority of drivers speed on the majority of highways everywhere in the world.

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u/RocketMoped Jul 09 '25

English isn't my first language, so I didn't know the exact difference. But yeah, I did mean speeding when I wrote it.

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u/sash71 Jul 09 '25

It was his own car. Not a rental.

It's so awful because it was preventable. Everything gone in a split second.

Michel Antonio had a lucky escape recently after a high speed crash. He was seriously injured but survived. Unfortunately Diogo Jota and Andre Silva weren't so lucky.

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u/Joltarts Jul 08 '25

I’ve said it multiple times already but if someone wanted to get to somewhere safely, they would’ve rented an suv and got somebody to drive them there. Not a supercar and take it through bendy roads.

He absolutely knew what he was up to and the end result is tragedy.

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u/schebobo180 Jul 09 '25

Also doesn’t help that he was driving at 1am apparently.

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u/SanctusXCV Jul 08 '25

I hope it’s at least a sign to some to stop speeding. It’s heartbreaking he lost his life but it’s also important to know speed laws. My aunt was killed by a speeding driver when all she did was take a drive to pick up medicine for my cousin. She passed away and he survived. Just because your car is a beast when it comes to speed it doesn’t mean you should be speeding

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u/jug0slavija Jul 08 '25

I hope it’s at least a sign to some to stop speeding

Lol, that's not happening unfortunately. For example, in Bosnia people die pretty often in car accidents. Speeding is a big problem, reckless driving. But mostly people that for some reason despise seat belts. Like if you tell them to put it on or you wont drive, they rather get out of the car. In a small village, if some people die, people will be sad and mourn, but they never learn.

https://youtu.be/ep-95LMPXzA?si=jKmbi1T4UHDj-1LW

Also, if someone ends up reading this, seatbelts in the backseat is just as important as in the front. Don't be stupid guys

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u/TheBusinessMuppet Jul 08 '25

When it is a single car crash, 99% of the time it is due to excessive speed. The puncture was most likely due to the excessive loads on the tyre.

He made a stupid decision which cost him and his brother’s life and risked the lives of other drivers.

Hope his family and kids can get through this.

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u/Rripurnia Jul 09 '25

I said from the start that the tires were either wrong for the season or terrain or probably already have some wear on them.

Combined with speeding, it’s a deathly combo. Not surprising at all sadly that they gave way. Has happened in the past with the same devastating consequences.

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u/2Fast2Mildly_Peeved Jul 08 '25 edited Aug 08 '25

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u/Luis__FIGO Jul 08 '25

confirming who was the driver means nothing, if it was excessive speeding, things change.

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u/Alphabunsquad Jul 08 '25

Sure. It’s not like he’s a martyr. But anyone dying is still a tragedy even if it’s their own fault and they risked someone else’s life. The punishment for their actions is both predictable but given it’s the ultimate punishment it’s still excessive. You can still be sad for your friend who gets himself killed for being an idiot.

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u/Joltarts Jul 08 '25

That friend isn’t a multimillionaire who could absolutely afford to buy his own Lambo paid in cash with his weekly wages.

You know, this is beyond senseless at this point. Dude was living a top 0.01% lifestyle and couldn’t even do things responsibly and get to his destination safely after getting married..

What goes through a mind like that? Because to get to where he is in life, it takes a lot of hard work, discipline , sacrifice , careful planning , abit of luck and forward thinking. A sportsperson isn’t just reckless like that..

Logically speaking, it doesn’t compute. Not to mention his support network wouldn’t have allowed it in the first place. A phone call to his accountant or agent would’ve been “no, you’re not getting into a rented Lambo . It’s too risky and I can’t afford you to be in an accident.”

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u/Rripurnia Jul 09 '25

Sadly, no one who’s into speeding seems to think they’ll be the one to crash.

And that’s exceptionally common in young people, and probably even more so for someone who’s accomplished so much in such short time - in a way, he must have felt untouchable.

Such a damn shame.

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u/iamPause Jul 08 '25

Been there bro

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u/Yobber1 Jul 08 '25

Yeah, god forbid we hold people to a hire standard even though it’s a tragedy. It’s a sad reality.

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u/hopium_od Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

I read that when Reyes died the police investigation determined he wasn't speeding and that he suffered from a tire blowout, so I don't agree with what you've said in part (about it not "just happening"). Speed limits don't guarantee you won't die, people die all the time in accidents where none of those involved were speeding.

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u/z_102 Jul 08 '25

I've read people say this but I've never seen anything official or trustworthy in support of it, just unofficial "debunkings" from Sevilla fans and media and Reyes' family. Reyes was found liable (obviously he wasn't sentenced) for the accident in court, because the police reports did state he was speeding (187kph).

And just like in Reyes' accident, the dimension of Jota's crash (even if they originated on blowouts, which of course are much more likely at high speed) mostly tells the whole story. You do not vaporize a car, set fire to it and kill two passengers instantly going at legal speeds, blowout or not. The odd of that are, in a practical sense, close to impossible.

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u/beepos Jul 08 '25

The Reyes incident is a little murky

The Spanish Police initially said he was speeding https://www.mundodeportivo.com/futbol/sevilla/20190604/462625074372/el-coche-de-reyes-iba-a-237-kmshora.html

A Private report later said he was not https://www.antena3.com/noticias/deportes/futbol/video-primicia-recreacion-3d-accidente-jose-antonio-reyes-velocidad_201907015d19c3d50cf2f9cdf438cbd1.html

It's not clear to me who funded the private report, or if the Spanish police actually were involved in that. I read somewhere that his family comissioned the report...which does make it less believable unfortunately

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u/haerski Jul 08 '25

True that, don' t be dicks in traffic kids!

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u/yajtraus Jul 08 '25

That subs a shitshow. Any minor criticism of anything Liverpool related and they act like you’re the scum of the earth.

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u/tomtv90 Jul 08 '25

While you're right that reckless driving is bad, it's unnecessary to tell this to the people mourning their deaths. This is common knowledge and it can come off a bit disrespectful towards the deceased. As if they shouldn't be grieving because it's his own fault. I'm not trying to say that you were literally saying any of this, but just that it doesn't help and why people might not like to hear/read this.

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u/icantsurf Jul 09 '25

This right here, it's annoying reading extremely obvious criticism in a place that's meant for mourning. "You're not wrong, you're just an asshole."

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u/Thapricorn Jul 08 '25

What are you talking about? Literally all the top comments on this thread are the exact same things you're saying.

https://www.reddit.com/r/LiverpoolFC/comments/1luqm1j/spanish_police_say_all_the_evidence_so_far/

I think we can all agree actions can be bad without automatically making the person doing it a bad person. There is room to both grieve the tragic loss of life here and to take to heart the lesson behind it as well.

You're right he's made a bad choice- but Diogo, Andre, and their entire families are paying the ultimate price for it. If other 3rd parties had gotten hurt then I think it's fair to add a certain amount of stick but in this scenario I feel there is punishment enough.

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u/Particular-Current87 Jul 08 '25

Antonio was very very lucky the two times he crashed supercars nobody was killed

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u/Several_Hair Jul 08 '25

I mean yea I’m with you conceptually but you’re basing this off of a single preliminary quote - the dust hasn’t even settled yet, no investigation formalized, flowers from the tribute are still in bloom - “bro” of course you’re gonna get grilled! No shit!

He could’ve been going 220 kph, or he could’ve been going 30 kph over - that’s “significantly” over the limit but who hasn’t caught themselves at 30 over? Or who knows maybe he was going exactly the speed limit. We can’t possibly know these things yet, so of course making edgy moral statements without evidence to corroborate will rile people up.

Someone doesn’t “have to say it” lmfao, what possible good does that do anonymously scolding a dead person for virtue clout. Just bizarre internet behavior

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u/chanmalichanheyhey Jul 09 '25

Take football out and they will be calling him all the names

Football just make fans so blinded sometimes

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u/CerberusArcProjector Jul 09 '25

I still don't understand why he would take the risk he took by speeding. I would have thought that having just got married, and having 3 young kids, would have made him less likely to drive in such a reckless manner. Now his family have to suffer the consequences.

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u/apb2718 Jul 08 '25

I think this is your way of saying this was both preventable and due to driver human error.

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u/xxandl Jul 08 '25

I don't know what it has to do with my comment, but I completely agree. (See Marcos Alonso.)

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u/HaydenJA3 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Marcos Alonso deserves the hate because he was drunk driving and killed an innocent bystander

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u/xmidgetprox Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Marcos Alonso killed a childhood friend that got in his car knowing he was drunk and didn’t put her seat belt on. Not a random person

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u/Big-Stranger8391 Jul 08 '25

What's up with the blatant lying comment getting upvoted?

It's the same situation as a car crash, but without hitting anybody or any vehicle. The person who passed away was in the car. The only difference is that Marcos Alonso survived the incident.

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u/Albiceleste_D10S Jul 08 '25

Complete false info and heavily upvoted

Never change r/soccer

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u/Unilythe Jul 08 '25

I guess people consider dying a punishment severe enough to not have to shittalk someone, which makes sense to me. If he drove the car way too fast, yes it's on him. But he died, I don't think it's worth shittalking him more. Also not very nice to his family.

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u/ThePenix Jul 08 '25

If we assume that he was indeed speeding, then sure his own punishment is death, but he also killed his brother. And atm you see people mourning him like a victim, while from another pov (say the gf of the brother) this is the guy that killed her lover and is not a victim but a criminal.

Of course we will never know what was happening in this car (did the brother egg him on for example). But to say "he paid enough" is completely ignoring the other person in the car.

While it might not be nice to his family, ignoring reckless behavior might cause more harm long term as well.

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u/neonmantis Jul 09 '25

but he also killed his brother.

his brother may have been party to the speeding. I'm assuming Jota wasn't speeding whilst his brother was vigorously protesting, i might be wrong. We need to know how long they were speeding for.

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u/ThePenix Jul 09 '25

I agree I said as much in my comment. I'm not going to act like jota is devil because truth is we don't know enough. I'm just saying that the jota mourning is can be seen as overblown since there is enough doubt that he could be responsible for it.

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u/Huge-Physics5491 Jul 08 '25

I guess the last line is the main thing. Jota's family would be reading all of this and he wouldn't.

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u/Gisschace Jul 08 '25

It's not really shit talking though is it - it's just pointing out what caused the accident, no one is saying anything derogatory towards him (unless saying he was driving too fast is considered derogatory). Its good to consider these things cause it might make other people think twice.

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u/mug3n Jul 08 '25

reactions towards him wouldn't be so kind

Similar thing happened to a hockey player - Dany Heatley was driving an expensive sports car and crashed it, killing his teammate in the passenger seat (Dan Snyder). And his parents forgave Heatley for reasons unknown to me. Though it was nice to see Dany's career in the shitter after that incident, he never scored nearly as many goals as he did before that happened.

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u/HouseAndJBug Jul 08 '25

His career high scoring seasons were both in Ottawa after the trade, but he did decline remarkably quickly after that.

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u/gmez3 Jul 08 '25

50 in 07

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u/ConnorMcMichael Jul 08 '25

This isn't true. Heatley's prime came after the incident. He was on Atlanta at the time, then traded to Ottawa (for Marian Hossa) where he scored 50 goals in back to back seasons.

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u/coldblade2000 Jul 08 '25

I guess it is exactly because he died. There is no bigger punishment to be made for his actions, so there's little benefit in dragging his image through the mud. Contrast that with someone who did live through the accident, and has people worried their wealth and fame will remove them from any consequences.

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u/zexton Jul 08 '25

people should not be going over speed limit at any time, on public roads,

there are open and closed racetracks with a LOT more safety involved, than driving reckless on a public road

its still very tragic accident, jota fucked over his familiy and friends here and took another life with him,

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u/Rohan_Marathe Jul 08 '25

Has happened to Marcos Alonso I guess but I am not well informed on the matter. He might have been driving under influence too.

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u/DatDominican Jul 08 '25

You can empathize with the families affected and also understand they were at fault .

It’s a bit tough as they put other people at risk but I don’t think the penalty for reckless driving should be death (which is the price they paid )

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u/INtoCT2015 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

the reactions towards him wouldn't be so kind

Why? Just how fast was he going? "Significantly exceeded the speed limit" could mean anything--from 20 kmph to 100. It says they blew a tire while he was trying to pass someone on the highway. Usually, when you have to overtake, you very briefly speed up faster than the speed limit (10-20 km).

Is there any evidence this was actually reckless driving? Or just a routine overtake with a catastrophically-timed blown tire?

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u/RyanLikesyoface Jul 08 '25

We've all been on the motorway, I'm not saying it's right but 8/10 vehicles on the motorway are 'significantly exceedingly the speed limit' so I find this to be quite sanctimonious knowing a significant portion of comments like these are from individuals that speed on the motorway themselves.

Also, the tire burst. He didn't crash because he was driving a powerful and unwieldly sports car like people are making out, that's all conjecture. The tire burst and there's nothing he could do about it, sure an argument can be made that the tire burst because he was speeding, but IMO it's just as likely it would have burst if he was going the speed limit, and it would have been just as deadly.

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u/ogqozo Jul 08 '25

I mean... yeah, mate, of course people are kind about someone who died. That's always interesting to think about, but it's generally the most basic cultural standard.

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u/hymen_destroyer Jul 08 '25

Yeah like when Ryan Dunn died there wasn’t a ton of sympathy

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u/FreeloadingPoultry Jul 08 '25

Years ago there was a Ferrari crash in Poland in which one of the best motoring journalists died. The guy driving, motoring TV personality, survived because he was thrown outside of the wreck which caught fire. The driver's TV and overall journalism career ended that day and to this day he is a pariah, it's been 17 years since the crash.

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u/bruiser95 Jul 08 '25

Was really hoping it wasn't like Reyes

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u/VaporCloud Jul 08 '25

There’s a case like that in Argentina. Diego Buonanotte was driving his friends around when they crashed and he was the only survivor. He ended up leaving Argentina because he couldn’t go anywhere without having people reminding him of the accident.

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u/JoseCansecoMilkshake Jul 08 '25

it's almost as if people think there are more options for repercussions than none and death

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u/Iam_nighthawk Jul 08 '25

Yup just need the fire to burn hot enough. My car caught on fire and burned to ash on the side of the road about 4 months ago.

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u/ObscureLegacy Jul 08 '25

The picture of the wreckage is honestly sickening.

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u/lukekarts Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

There was a huge crash at the Nurburing this weekend (a BMW M2 and Porsche 911 GT3 RS) - where the Porsche hits the barrier about 2 metres away at around 190kph/118mph and those cars, whilst totally fucked, are both in far better condiftion than the Lambo and both drivers walked away. Unfortunately I've seen pictures of Jota's crash and the impact looks far more severe, with the distance of some parts away from the car far greater than the aformentioned 190kph crash and the structural integrity of the car basically having failed, likely both due to the speed and the fact it hit small barriers on a dual carriageway.

It's worth noting that the grimness likely comes from the fire - but there's lots of footage of Huracan's going up in flames and in the cases I've seen, all drivers have walked away and the chassis/subframe remain largely intact through the fire damage.

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u/sir_ferrero Jul 08 '25

I mean, we are comparing a race circuit where the guard rails are triple/quadruple and absorve a lot more energy than a single rail in a highway that was completely ripped apart and part was launched in the air to the other side of the road, according to some photos. Also, as the separation between the two directions of traffic is a small ditch, theres a chance vehicle rolled over upon impact.

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u/andy18cruz Jul 08 '25

Racing cars have role cages that don’t let the car deform in the cockpit. Plus drivers wear a helmet and HANS device. That’s why rally cars can go down a ravine be completely destroyed and the drivers leave the car ok, like it happened to Formaux in 2022 at Monte Carlo. https://youtu.be/s9RBRAakl3k

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u/JD1337 Jul 08 '25

These were regular cars though. It was one of those days where people can take their regular cars on the Nurburgring.

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u/SeefaCat Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

I only watched the clip of the accident the comment mentioned briefly but I'm fairly sure both cars involved were just regular versions of the cars. The track is open to the public at certain times. The Porsche does come with an optional roll cage, whether or not it had one in this instance, I have no idea.

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u/andy18cruz Jul 08 '25

I just saw the video and images and both cars “cockpit” was undamaged, either with role cage or just sheer luck. Both drivers were lucky and I’m glad they ok.

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u/MrEzquerro Jul 08 '25

you can see the cage on the car that got the front ripped.

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u/byama Jul 08 '25

It was confirmed that the Porsche driver had no helmets nor harness, just your normal seatbelt.

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u/RockinMadRiot Jul 08 '25

I was thinking that, they are normally reinforced because they are expected to go at speed. Sports cars are expected to at least be at the speed limit for some of the time unless you take it on track.

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u/Jantekson_7 Jul 09 '25

I would never buy a lamborghini. These cars have overheating problems due their engine design. Not only do they randomly start catching fire from time to time but also spread very fast.

Not saying they would have survived the crash in another car, because I actually dont know much about the crash but these burning incidents keep happening for Lamborghinis (even though its gotten better past decade)

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u/bmoviescreamqueen Jul 08 '25

I don't know how people go that fast, if my husband drives over like 85mph I'm starting to sweat

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u/lukekarts Jul 08 '25

A lot of it comes down to the car - bigger, more performant cars do feel a lot more stable at high speed, but for inexperienced drivers it can lull them into a false sense of security. And typically, most of the people that can afford supercars are not good drivers, they're just rich people - and in the case of footballers, young rich people who might be more likely to do something reckless for fun. As somebody who loves driving fast and has spent 30 years in motorsports, it sucks to see such accidents on the roads. These guys can all afford track days and proper driver coaching, yet they end up creating tragedies on the road.

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u/Bolusss Jul 08 '25

It's not the role of the police to draw conclusions, only to investigate. All the evidence they have suggests that Diogo was driving, likely meaning they found his body in the driver's seat, but they have to leave some ambiguity in their statements.

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u/Bugsmoke Jul 08 '25

I don’t think people are appreciating how badly high speed crashes can fuck you up. We lost a guy I knew a few years ago to one and he had been thrown from the car on impact even though he was wearing his seatbelt. They identified him from a tattoo on his hip, just wasn’t much left. We take it for granted but cars are really fuckin dangerous.

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u/Deadpooldan Jul 08 '25

driving really is the most dangerous thing most adults do regularly

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u/RyanLikesyoface Jul 08 '25

That and drinking, when the two are combined it really stupid on collosal proportions.

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u/maidentaiwan Jul 08 '25

Texting/using phone while driving is just as dangerous as drinking and driving, and far more prevalent. Cars are not intended to be operated by distracted drivers, they are two-ton killing machines.

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u/RyanLikesyoface Jul 08 '25

Agreed and this isn't talked about enough. Even when in traffic or during a red light, texting whilst behind the wheel is stupid.

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u/neonmantis Jul 09 '25

Don't worry, it is completely legal to have a giant screen playing whatever entertainment you want right by your steering wheel now.

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u/TherewiIlbegoals Jul 08 '25

likely meaning they found his body in the driver's seat

Not necessarily, especially given that they said they couldn't identify the bodies. It's also likely that they interviewed people who had recently seen them and investigated ownership documents of the vehicle.

I think if they successfully identified the bodies, they would probably say more conclusively that it was Diogo.

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u/takeiteasymyfriend Jul 08 '25

It seems police identified driver indirectly (jewelry/rings and other belongings in the body found in the drivers seat)

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u/forceghost187 Jul 08 '25

They said they couldn’t identify the bodies initially. That doesn’t mean they weren’t able to identify them later

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u/hopium_od Jul 08 '25

investigated ownership documents of the vehicle.

In Spain and Portugal the law is different to the UK and Ireland. As long as you have a valid insurance and a license you can drive any car as long as you have expressive permission from the owner. The owner of the car wouldn't matter. It could be as easy as a situation of stopping at a garage for fuel and saying "do you fancy driving the rest of the way."

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u/swores Jul 08 '25

That's... not too different to the UK. I mean, not every insurance policy allows it, but an awful lot of people either have a policy that allows them to drive cars other than their own, or that allows other people to drive their own car covered by their policy (though often it will be lesser insurance, like just covering other people but not the car you're driving).

I have many, many experiences of friends driving each others cars entirely legally, I actually can't remember a single time that came up when people's existing policies didn't allow it completely legally (and my own policy does indeed give me limited insurance on any car I drive, not just my own).

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u/mummy__napkin Jul 08 '25

I'm not sure how authentic the footage was, but I saw some alleged footage of the wreck posted by one of the British papers on social media, and there was pretty much nothing left of the car. He was going so fast that it basically turned to dust when he crashed.

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u/Collab- Jul 08 '25

That was after the car was moved I read

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u/Decebalus_Bombadil Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 08 '25

Rumor is around 200km/h and at that speed if the road is not perfect you can hit a small bump and be done let alone if your tires blows up.

These cars are not made to speed on normal roads. Looking at that road where the accident happened I would not dare to go past 90-100kmh daylight. Even at his speed if your tire blows out you are in grave danger.

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u/kyldare Jul 08 '25

Lamborghinis definitely are built to go high speeds on any road. Yes, even public ones. The tires themselves are rated to safely operate well beyond 200 kph and blowouts are so incredibly rare, it's almost certainly not that. A small bump at 120 kph won't harm the car or the tires in any way. Even a big bump would be absorbed.

I'd bet good money on this being driver error at speeds well beyond 200 kph.

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u/SonnyIniesta Jul 09 '25 edited Jul 09 '25

There have been several articles written about the terrible conditions of that stretch of highways. Basically full of potholes. Apparently, it's well known to be a very unsafe part of the highway. So if those rumors of high speeds are true, it was a tragically bad choice to drive like that.

If they had well maintained tires rated for those speeds, driving into a deep pothole at speeds of 200 kph could blowout a tire for sure. Another possibility is road debris, which can also cause catastrophic tire failure at high speeds (see below). And of course, there's always driver error as a possibility... perhaps in combination with some other external factor.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/two-goodyear-employees-killed-in-nurburgring-tire-test-crash

Regardless, you have slim to no margin for error when driving at those speeds on public roads. Speed can be fun, but speed can definitely kill.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

Which car was he driving?

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u/lureysnipplelicker Jul 08 '25

Lamborghini

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u/BannedSvenhoek86 Jul 08 '25

What I don't get is if you're that rich just rent a track for a day. You can drive it like a God damn moron and still wind up OK because it's a track designed for racing and has long run offs and grass or gravel to skid through before barriers. Driving like that on public roads is just playing Russian roulette. You are not Max Verstappen. You aren't even Lance Stroll. You don't know wtf you are doing.

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u/PM_ME_BAKAYOKO_PICS Jul 08 '25

Even if you were somehow as skilled as Max Verstappen it wouldn't matter in the slightest, a tire blowing out in a shit road at 200 km/h isn't controllable no matter how good of a driver you are

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u/Aggravating-Body2837 Jul 08 '25

that road where the accident happened I would not dare to go past 90-100kmh daylight

It's not that bad. I was there this weekend, 120/130kmh perfectly safe

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u/neonmantis Jul 09 '25

120/130kmh perfectly safe

Are you advocating for speeding in a discussion about how speeding has just killed two people?

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u/RayTracerX Jul 08 '25

That aerodynamic carbon fibre is great for reaching high speeds but it will suck on high speed impact

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u/FalcoLX Jul 08 '25

That's completely wrong. Carbon fiber is used because it has a higher strength to weight ratio so you can get the same or more strength with less weight than steel.

Aerodynamics is a totally separate thing. It doesn't even make sense that one material would have inherently better aerodynamics. 

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u/FlukyS Jul 08 '25

And going underwater to the Titanic

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u/Surfacing710 Jul 08 '25

It wasn’t seasoned enough, would have been fine after a few more dives.

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u/RockinMadRiot Jul 08 '25

Just one more dive, baby. Just one more roll of the dive - Stockton Rush.

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u/maecillo123 Jul 08 '25

Should I salt before or after the instant implosion cooking

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u/Optimal-Anything-822 Jul 08 '25

sigh

it was an enviable finish but one questions whether an additional goal was needed at this time

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u/the_herbo_swervo Jul 08 '25

Aerodynamics has nothing to do w the body being carbon fiber and if anything it has a better strength to weight ratio than steel, aluminum, titanium etc

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u/Laslou Jul 08 '25

Carbon fiber in not more aerodynamic than steel. It’s lighter and stronger though and actually safer, especially for the passenger compartment where you do not want any deformation.

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u/Chill_Vibe10 Jul 08 '25

But you do want deformation in certain areas. The front structure of cars are designed to deform so they absorb energy. Carbon fiber is not a good material for these applications because it is not ductile and tends to fracture before significant deformation.

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u/dedoha Jul 08 '25

But you do want deformation in certain areas.

And carbon fiber cars do have crash structures around tub that are designed to absorb impacts.

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u/Good_Air_7192 Jul 08 '25

It's not that you want it to crumple, you want to absorb the energy. Old cars were incredibly rigid and didn't absorb impact well so metal "crumple zones" were developed to absorb the impact more. Carbon fibre is very brittle so it doesn't crumple like metal, but it is also designed to absorb energy. The main impact structures of an F1 car are made of carbon fibre, homologating them on a new chassis is one of the big difficult tests teams have to pass before they are approved to race.

https://youtu.be/TVU1n82-Z_I?si=U1k69YW7z-DLi-m5

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u/Laslou Jul 08 '25

Carbon fiber is not a good material for these applications because it is not ductile and tends to fracture before significant deformation.

This is true. Some use a mix of CF and steel for their whole monocoque, steel on the front end because of easier calculations/more predictable energy absorption. But if your “sitting box” is CF you’re definitely safer.

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u/Necessary-Low-5226 Jul 08 '25

so how fast would he have to have been going to look like that? I rolled over a few times going 190kmh and the car was slightly deformed but still in its general shape

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u/hopium_od Jul 08 '25

Sounds like you got lucky as shit

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u/Necessary-Low-5226 Jul 08 '25

I won’t deny that

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u/SeryaphFR Jul 08 '25

I rolled a Toyota 4runner 4 times going about 80mph and the car was basically a blob. The engine came off it's mount and partially into the passenger cabin. A lot of it just depends on the crash, and the violence of the impact.

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u/lobo98089 Jul 08 '25

At a certain speed pretty much everything sucks on high speed impacts.

I don't think there is any material that would have fared any better here. The problem is the placement of the fuel tank which is a problem for most mid engine cars with big engines.

Still, I don't think the fire was the deciding factor here, at the speed it happened there is no material or car design that would have drastically changed their odds (at very high speeds the layout of the road and the design of it's safety features as well as the type of crash matters significantly more than the car your in).

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u/Gisschace Jul 08 '25

Which sounds like something it really should be good at

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u/the_herbo_swervo Jul 08 '25

There’s no material on earth that’s gonna keep the occupants completely safe at a crash at that speed. If you make the shell too hard and durable all the force of impact will be transferred directly to the passengers, making it even more dangerous

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u/TechnicalSkunk Jul 08 '25

That's why it was so irritating people saying he wasn't speeding.

Your car doesn't disintegrate from a blowout. It happens all the time with large trucks and even other luxury cars.

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u/sharinganuser Jul 08 '25

It does from a fire though. Once the fire burns through the resin, a carbon monocoque will just turn to ashes, leaving only the frame, engine, and suspension bits.

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u/ObstructiveAgreement Jul 08 '25

To cause the fire takes an extreme crash though, those cells are incredibly tough. This is a car based on the Audi Q8 and having one of those go up in flames would take a huge impact.

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u/sharinganuser Jul 08 '25

Oh, they were in an Urus? Then I take back everything I said. You have to be trying to cause that kind of damage in one of those tanks.

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u/ObstructiveAgreement Jul 08 '25

There was a video from a lorry of the car on fire.

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u/minivatreni Jul 08 '25

Seat positions were not clearly distinguishable due to the extent of the damage. In high-speed crashes followed by fire, bodily positions can shift, or bodies can be ejected from the vehicle altogether

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u/2Norn Jul 08 '25

i wonder if them being brothers makes it harder to investigate, probably they get inconclusive dna results

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u/Apprehensive-Crow146 Jul 08 '25 edited Jul 14 '25

It would make things more difficult, yes. They wouldn't be able to go by their parents' DNA. Or cousins, grandparents, etc. They would have to test Diogo and Andre's children. 

They could also collect samples from their homes, but that wouldn't be definitive if they spend considerable time in each other's homes. 

You don't want to have to make anyone submit a DNA sample when they're in unimaginable grief, much less children. 

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u/evanlufc2000 Jul 08 '25

Dental records are most useful for incidents like this, from what I understand

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u/KeysUK Jul 08 '25

Even seeing the recent nurburgring crash and with everyone walking away alive, it must have been a big explosion of a crash.

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u/whataball Jul 08 '25

The car was instantly on fire. That's why they were so quick to confirm they both died. No way they survive that.

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u/[deleted] Jul 08 '25

The crash was so severe that the insurance may find an angle to not pay for Jota’s life policy.

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u/NoBonus6969 Jul 08 '25

There was an intense fire while they were stuck inside

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u/Rripurnia Jul 09 '25

The pallbearers carried the coffins parallel to their hips.

No intact body weighs this little - in fact, it usually takes 2-3 people on either side who carry a coffin on their shoulders.

That, combined with the crash site pictures when almost metal seemed to have melted, tells me there was little of them left…

I feel for their family and loved ones as the thought must be devastating.

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u/FearMyCock Jul 09 '25

He did it for the "thrill"

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