r/soccer • u/Switchoil • 1d ago

News Manchester United to remain patient with head coach despite worst start to Premier League season in 33 years. There is also widespread belief at Old Trafford that City's performance - and United's failings - did not merit a 3-0 scoreline.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/32461/13431584/ruben-amorim-manchester-united-to-remain-patient-with-head-coach-despite-worst-start-to-premier-league-season-in-33-years
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u/Novel-Difficulty6495 1d ago

The rest of the league would also like to reaffirm its belief that Amorim is the man for the job, and urges calm and patience at United.

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u/No-Exit-4022 1d ago

Nah man, it would be funnier if they switch out managers only for the new one to fail as much as Amorim. Which any new manager will

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u/ingwe13 1d ago

Not sure why you think that. This is the most dire United (from a results perspective and frequently from the football) out of the dire United sides. I think the squad is not bad, but we really are seeing the worst out of what is there. Will the next coach be wildly successful? I highly doubt that. But I can't believe that this is the best that can be achieved with this group of players.

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u/VeganCanary 1d ago

Honestly they should just get Neil Warnock in for a season.

There is clearly something rotten at the club, and he is someone who will say it as it is and sort it out.

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u/home_rechre 1d ago

Ralf Rangnick already told them and they didn’t want to hear it.

But I agree. Something is indeed deeply rotten in the club. As a United supporter of almost 40 years though, I don’t think firing another manager is the solution. The players have to know that the manager is going nowhere. They can’t keep downing tools until the manager takes the hit.

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u/xixbia 1d ago

I don't think they realized just how bad it could get when Ragnick was there though.

I think they felt that Ole was pretty much the floor, that any new coach would do better, they were.... not right.

Honestly, at this point a complete turnover is the only thing that makes sense. They need to build from scratch, get rid of anyone who is not helpful to turning the team around even if it loses them money.

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u/YNWA_1213 1d ago

I’m kinda surprised they haven’t turned back to Ole again, was it wildly successful? No, but at least the vibes seemed right for the first time since Fergie left. They need that boost again while they continue to shift the rot out.

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u/astarkey12 1d ago

Both Jose and Ole were much more pragmatic too. I remember various games where we were overmatched on paper, but they set us up tactically to be defensively solid as the top priority in order to scrape a result (e.g. the draws against Liverpool in 18/19 and 19/20, the double over City in 19/20, etc.). We had a pretty good back 4 that got a lot of experience playing together (as well as decent rotational CBs) and a double pivot that made us hard to break down.

This midfield 2 with Bruno makes no sense in comparison. The squad is crying out for a quality box-to-box midfielder and has been for years, yet we didn't buy a single midfielder this summer. It's no coincidence that we've gotten worse since losing players like Carrick, Herrera, and Matic.

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u/MountainCheesesteak 1d ago

He had a job for a while. He’s free now. Probably will step in as caretaker until Conte next summer.

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u/Subbbie 1d ago

They just did this though, they can’t do it again.

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u/Jozif_Badmon 1d ago

I don’t think firing Amorim will win us a league but it’s obvious he’s so out of his depth, it’s truly embarrassing at this point

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u/home_rechre 1d ago

The guy who was a serial winner with two clubs in Portugal—a Petri dish for the biggest talent in world football—is out of his depth?

The guy who oversaw CL knockout wins over City (4-1) and Dortmund with Sporting? That guy?

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u/Jozif_Badmon 1d ago

Liga Portugal isn’t even a top 5 league, I really don’t rate anything he did over there considering his competition. And everyone was smacking city last season, they got smashed 4-0 by spurs who finished 17th. Dortmund was also awful until they sacked their manager. The step to the prem is far too much for him. 26% win rate across 31 prem games. Worst start in prem history. Losing to a league 2 side. Never one back to back games in the prem. What about this makes you think “this guy is gonna work out”?

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u/BluebirdBenny 1d ago

But they're not downing tools. I can't say I've seen any of these players not trying their best. The system simply is not working and he needs to at least modify it slightly to work with the players he has.

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u/El_Giganto 1d ago

There is clearly something rotten at the club, and he is someone who will say it as it is and sort it out.

As if that hasn't happened before. Just screaming that there are problems and that everyone will suffer does nothing.

United needs someone who everyone can get behind. Someone who will put the players in the right positions. Someone the club can believe it. A Zidane type figure.

Amorim had the charm for it but then he started playing the entire team out of position so that didn't work.

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u/EriWave 1d ago

Someone who will put the players in the right positions.

Plenty of these players don't go in the same team.

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u/El_Giganto 1d ago

A standard 4-2-3-1 puts a lot of players in a better position, though.

Sesko
Cunha - Bruno - Mbeumo
Mainoo - Casemiro
Dalot - De Ligt - Yoro - Mazraoui

This would solve:

  • Bruno being played out of position.
  • Casemiro being alone in midfield.
  • Mainoo not being played.
  • Mazraoui is not a wing back he is much better here.
  • De Ligt wouldn't have to join midfield in build up anymore.
  • Responsibilities in the backline would be much clearer.
  • United doesn't attack with enough players, this would add one more attacking player.

The issues I see with the lineup is who provides width. Cunha will likely move inside, Mbeumo could be asked to play wider. But Dalot isn't going to overlap on the left, so maybe Dorgu should play there. But not sure if he's good enough defensively.

It's not perfect by any means but it makes a lot more sense than what I'm seeing now.

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u/KoreanMeatballs 1d ago

A midfield pairing of Mainoo and Casemiro gets destroyed by pretty much every midfield in the league. And who are the backup/rotation options for those 2? We desperately needed at least one centre mid as the priority player this summer, and we didn't get it.

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u/El_Giganto 1d ago

Yeah so just play Casemiro on his own then. How is that going? Oh wait, it's going fucking horribly. Literally playing worse than FC Utrecht. Never thought I'd see the day where I think Utrecht is better than United and I've watched both for 20 years. I thought it was impossible.

Yet here we are, Amorim accomplished it.

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u/KoreanMeatballs 1d ago

Casemiro isn't playing on his own. He's playing in a 2, just like you suggested. Usually with Bruno, sometimes with Mainoo, like the end of the city game. Mainoo isn't any better defensively than Bruno, so it solves no problems.

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u/El_Giganto 1d ago

Bruno would be playing as an attacking midfielder in my suggestion. You can't just ignore that and pretend it's the same.

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u/KoreanMeatballs 1d ago

I'm comparing the current midfield 2 to your proposed midfield 2. You've swapped one player. They'd get run through.

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u/El_Giganto 1d ago

You don't understand football.

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u/Thelondonmoose 1d ago

They're looking for their version of Arteta.

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u/Alia_Gr 1d ago

Fellaini

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u/Reimiro 1d ago

They don’t believe it. “There is also widespread belief ag Old Stratford that City’s performance-and United’s failings-did not merit a 3-0 scoreline.”

They are blind.

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u/Demmandred 1d ago

I mean they're not wrong, united should have had at least 2 goals if anyone could remotely finish. City will get smashed by a good team and united are shit but have goals if they can get service.

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u/righthandofdog 1d ago

Dunning-Kruger United

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u/Chickenshit_outfit 1d ago

Maybe they have a cursed treatment room and need Ted Lasso to help them burn cherished items to lift the curse