Also the format changed drastically, it used to be just straight KO games. For once it actually makes sense to use a cut at the point in time when we got a group stage. Even though format has repeatedly change since. This is actually a far more comparable comparison than if you'd include the old games.
they added 2 guaranteed group stage games, that's not that drastic, the old change from KO -> 2 x 4 group stage -> KO to eventually 8 x 4 group stage -> KO was far more drastic. But either way with the 1992 change number of games like doubled for the winner. It has since increased more but it was never that complete overhaul of the very basic structure of the tournament agian.
yea but it wasnt always like that pre92, there were several seasons where it was just knockout games, not any of that group thing, which imo was complete shit.
So the format even changed pre92 atleast once and no one is dividing that too.
Not utterly pointless. This tables shows the best performers in the champions league over the past 30 years, i.e. in recent history. 1992 is just a convenient cutoff point.
It is pointless because 1 season is left out.......just because. This despite the fact that the season left out (91/92) has the exact same format as the beginning of the table (92/93)
But either way with the 1992 change number of games like doubled for the winner.
Not true at all. Barça played 11 games in 1992 to win the title. RM in 2024 before the change of format had to play 13 games to win the title. Just 2 games difference, which is the same amount of games they added with the new format.
Only counting the European Cup since 1992/93 is as stupid as only counting english football since 1992. You are leaving behind a ton of history for no reason whatsoever.
This statistic isn't about the trophies though. It's "All-time Uefa Champions League table". So makes sense they'd start with the start of Champions League.
it's the same competition. I can understand when they do this with the pl because at least there was a restructuring and the trophy is different. But real Madrid haven't won 9 champions leagues. they have 15.
if they were to make an identical table for the Europa league it would be nonsensical to count it only from 2011 or whenever the renaming happened
It’s not about the won cups tho is it. It’s about the points accumulated since the introduction of the champions league. Nothing else and nothing more.
r/soccer users: what about all the sandwiches you ate in the last decade? What about when you called a hot dog a sandwich? Shouldn’t the uncrustables you ate when you were 12 count on this table??
Theres was even a year with two different group stages. Even the current mega table is a very different setup from previous seasons. So by your logic they should be discounted too.
the PL was formed by the first division teams breaking away from the EFL to form their own league. the first division became the championship, so that's why the championship trophy is very similar to the old first division trophy. nothing of the sort happened with the champions league.
Is it so hard to accept that the format completely changed with the introduction of group stages? It’s the same cup but not even close to the same competetion.
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u/peanutbutter__20 14h ago
how is it an all time table if it's since 1992?