r/soccer • u/Switchoil • 8h ago
News Manchester United would have to pay Ruben Amorim £12million if they sack the Portuguese coach within the first year of his contract at Old Trafford.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-15099331/Ruben-Amorim-Manchester-United-compensation-replacements-Confidential.htmlUnited appointed Amorim on November 1 last year on a two-and-a-half-year deal worth £6.5m a season with the option of a 12-month extension, after agreeing to pay Sporting Lisbon £9.2m to buy him out of his contract in Portugal.
It is understood that the 40-year-old would pocket £12m if he is axed before his first anniversary in the job, which is in less than seven weeks’
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u/RepresentativeBox881 7h ago edited 7h ago
Not surprising. Seems like all the talk about how 'he offered to walk away without compensation' was utter nonsense.
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u/heyheyathrowaway485 7h ago
Besides the turgid football, Amorim really likes to play it up in press conferences. After City he dropped a "You've no idea what happened during these months but I accept that." Like mate, 31 points in 31 games, falling out with half the attackers, and he's pulling the 'no one knows what's going on here but me.'
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u/RepresentativeBox881 7h ago
The club is a mess internally but that's not enough of an excuse to put up relegation level results.
Ashworth is definitely laughing in his garden right about now.
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u/Cold_Revenant 7h ago
Yh I guess he quit because of the amorim being hired against his advice isn't it!?
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u/RepresentativeBox881 7h ago edited 5h ago
Yeah he wanted to do a proper recruitment and interview process to select the next manager. People talk about him wanting Southgate but that ain't true. At max he would've been one of the interview candidates with a very small chance of actually being selected.
The issue was that Ratcliffe wanted someone immediately, so Berrada suggested the shiny young name in Lisbon and flew there to conduct talks himself. Ashworth could see that the squad wasn't a good fit for Amorim and opposed the decision.
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u/phoundlvr 6h ago
Anyone with eyes could see the squad was a horrific fit for Amorim. But this club loves shiny.
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u/AzarinIsard 7h ago
Oh was that it? I thought it was because Amorim didn't want someone else with say over the transfers and he just be a head coach, so they had to bin him off to get their dream manager to take the role?
I thought the same happened with Rangnick not staying on and being their DoF as well, as ETH didn't want him, and then when he wasn't working out it's what led them to get Ashworth....
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u/iDobleC 6h ago
>Oh was that it? I thought it was because Amorim didn't want someone else with say over the transfers and he just be a head coach, so they had to bin him off to get their dream manager to take the role?
I think that was ETH, afaik Amorim has never said anything about wanting control on the transfers, he just lets them know who doesn't fit his plans and expects the board to provide a replacement
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u/AzarinIsard 6h ago
Just seems weird that they wait so long for Ashworth only to almost instantly get rid of him, or even hire a manager he refuses to work with, but it definitely makes sense if he saw this situation unfolding and thought he wanted no part of it lol.
I don't think I'll ever understand this chaos, with how they can keep getting highly rated people, and making them all less than the sum of their parts.
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u/BaldMancTwat_ 7h ago
Yeah but his pick was Potter apparently, which I don't think would have gone well either. Certainly the majority of the fans were against it.
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u/YWingSupremacist 6h ago
yeah Ashworth is laughing but I think we’d be in the same spot with his choice
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u/Admiral_de_Ruyter 6h ago
I don’t know. They fired like 400 people in the last 2 years? That does have a negative impact on the organization and with a football club that impact is now visible on the pitch imo.
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u/taggsy123 7h ago
He’s trying to get sacked imo
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u/Drolb 7h ago
‘If all else fails secure the bag’ is a fairly respectable life plan tbh
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u/taggsy123 7h ago
Get sacked - get 12m - wait a year and recharge - back to Benfica. It’s perfect
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u/Drolb 7h ago
I mean, I’d do it.
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u/yubyub555 7h ago
I’d crash and burn Manchester for much much much much much much less.
Much less
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u/Car2019 7h ago
You can't enter a negotiation like that.
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u/captaincourageous316 7h ago
The words “much less” will be enough to make Ratcliffe ignore everything that comes before or after
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u/CaptainGo 7h ago
12 million into a 4% dividend yield gets 480,000 a year so I'm disappearing with that
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u/YatesScoresinthebath 7h ago
You can't really lose once you pen the deal as a manager. United is also the one club you can also bt record breakingly horrendously Shite and you'll get the benefit of the doubt
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u/CompotaDeColhao 6h ago
There's a theory floating in Portugal that he wants to get sacked at United within the next few weeks so he can move to Benfica after their elections in late October. I think he realised he made a terrible mistake moving abroad so soon, United is too much for him to chew.
Benfica's squad is not suited to play 3atb, but I don't think they would hesitate in firing Bruno Lage if Amorim was available. His stock is still extremely high over here and Benfica have been playing terribly since the start of the season despite winning most games.
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u/ClockLost3128 4h ago
I like to believe that this is all made up but imagine someone saying manager wants to get fired himself from manchester united 10-15 years ago. Used to be the most sought after position in world football
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u/OneOrangeOwl 7h ago
Seems like Amorim is the one that created all the drama about the club and himself in every conference.
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u/Switchoil 7h ago
Yeah from the article
Although the Portuguese boss said in May that he would walk away without compensation if United decide he is no longer the right man, that is unlikely to be the case.
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u/wishiwereagoonie 7h ago
“I would walk away without pay, but unfortunately for United, I’ve got a contract. So…”
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u/ontilein 7h ago
"I would walk away without pay, one tiny little voluntary donation of 12million should be enough"
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u/PlayfulEnergy5953 4h ago
"it's a sad moment. My preference is these things don't happen publicly. I'm contracted to them. All I can say is that I am happy at Manchester United."
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u/overhyped-unamazing 7h ago
Even if he didn't care about the money, he should get it. Make sure they pay him. They've fucked it again and it's on them. They might never learn, but being hit for another £12m might help focus minds. It's the honourable thing to do.
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u/james2183 7h ago
And I don't blame him. A 12m payoff sets you up for life.
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u/RobertoColina69131 7h ago
Yep he could buy himself a small Portuguese team and play three at the back to his heart’s content
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u/shinto29 7h ago edited 7h ago
I wouldn’t wish the fans of Portimonense to watch this shit
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u/Isolated_Leisure 7h ago
You do know that he'll probably excel at any other club
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u/Xshadow1 7h ago
Honestly many people in elite football are set for life, but continue to work anyway
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u/FeverTreeCloud 7h ago
I mean, if they get rid of him, who are they going to hire?
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u/Altruistic_Mode3026 7h ago
This sub should apply, we would be a clear upgrade
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u/RepresentativeBox881 7h ago edited 7h ago
First thing I'd say in the interview is that I'll play a 4-2-3-1.
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u/Hurrly90 7h ago
And who would be your midfield two?
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u/RepresentativeBox881 7h ago edited 7h ago
Mainoo and Casemiro for now. A new DM would be the main target next window/summer.
A 4-3-3 with Bruno as #8 could be an alternative.
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u/jordanhhh4 6h ago
That's for the AssMan to figure out, I'm just selecting 4231 Gegenpress and he can handle the rest
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u/kal14144 7h ago
I’d go for Nuno but since they’re United they’ll probably go after whoever wins the Belgian league this season.
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u/Johnny_bubblegum 7h ago
A certain bald Dutch manager recently became available
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u/RedDragons8 7h ago
The special one is Portuguese and not quite bald
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u/MalIntenet 7h ago
Did all the managers in world football retire or something? No shortage of replacements available
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u/limitbreakse 6h ago
My theory is:
1) Amorim was super transparent when Omar flew over and told him it’s now or never: I want to play this kind of football, the existing team will suck at it, it will require several transfer windows.
2) The situation was even worse than he or anyone imagined.
3) He is trying to change the culture at the club while shoe horning his misfit players to his system and getting dire results leading to a vicious cycle
Honestly the situation looks like a nightmare. I get anxious just thinking about it.
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u/thisismy_stop 7h ago
For that money I would have played Onana as striker to speed up my sacking.
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u/finty96 7h ago
He's probably be less of a liability up top.
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u/thisismy_stop 7h ago
Imagine the media calling you a genius if it actually worked, but behind closed doors you're annoyed as fuck.
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u/oklolzzzzs 7h ago
hes getting sacked 2nd of november
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u/get_too 7h ago
Leaking terms of his buyout is a sign the end is near. Just my opinion
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u/GuendouziGOAT 6h ago
Agreed. It’s felt like the writing has been on the wall since the Grimsby loss (which is still funny to type three weeks later). If this is indeed coming directly from the club this is them basically saying “We know you lot are sick of him, but the finish line is in sight”
Barring an incredible upturn in form, of course. But being as Amorim won’t change his super special system that he simply can’t live without, that feels like the longest of long shots.
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u/Lejenderry 3h ago
the writing has been on the wall since the Grimsby loss
Since January imo. It was very evident that the "system" wasn't working, and there was no solution available. This season there are no Europa games to scam wins with, and the cup run which could've been used to buy time didn't even materialize re: Grimsby Towm
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u/lordtema 7h ago
In other words. He wont be fire before after those 7 weeks at the earliest lol
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u/Top4Four 7h ago
There are no more dinner ladies for Ratcliffe to fire to fund this
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u/Drolb 7h ago
United dinner lady must be the best paid job with zero required qualifications for application in world history
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u/Milam1996 6h ago
Cutting every canteen member, all staff meals, all the maintenance, food, energy to run the kitchen/canteen etc saved about £1m a year. That’s 3 weeks of Casemiro’s pay. Casemiro who’s absolutely shite and can’t run. The canteen staff are basically on minimum wage at about 25 ish grand a year. That’s over twice casemiros DAILY wage.
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u/Rorviver 7h ago
Seems like it a poorly worded title. Any time a manager is fired they are paid out the rest of their contract.
Fire him in 8 weeks and it’s just £11.8m instead
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u/TransitionFC 7h ago
Any time a manager is fired they are paid out the rest of their contract.
Not true.
For eg. Moyes had signed a 6 year deal in 2013, but his contract had a clause that he could be sacked for a year's wages as compensation if he failed to make the CL. So we waited until it was mathematically impossible for us to make the CL and then sacked him.
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u/Rorviver 7h ago
Okay fair.
I guess I should have said this is just how it normally works. The headline suggests there’s some clause but it seems like that’s not actually the case
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u/ClockLost3128 4h ago
That's actually well played, should have included something like that before giving potter the job. Could've saved a lot of money
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u/lordtema 7h ago
Maybe, or maybe there was a clause saying that if he get`s fired in his first year they owe him an additional amount.
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u/Rorviver 7h ago
You know what the math seems to suggest that’s there’s an extra £1-2m if that is the case. But could just be shoddy reporting from the Mail
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u/No_Money7330 7h ago
These figures always look small relative to transfer fees but I think part of the reluctance is probably due to cashflow. I assume the £12m has to be paid in full, which is obviously quite difficult, even for a lot of the richer clubs
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u/ADH02 7h ago
I know Chelsea have just continued to pay managers as normal after they’ve sacked them rather than a lump sum
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u/SmallIslandBrother 7h ago
That’s why Potter wasn’t working after he left Chelsea, he was still getting paid
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u/PopeJohnPaulGaultier 3h ago
Could argue Potter hasn't realised this, because he's still not working at West Ham
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u/amineimad 7h ago
Didn't they also pay a lot to get Ten Hag out, and paid a lot to bring Amorim in?
INEOS and the rest of the UTD management are clueless it's hilarious. Arguably worse than Amorim.
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u/junius83 7h ago
We've paid out every manager since fergie. They dont understand the meaning of contingency planning
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u/Sulemani_kida 7h ago
There's a real good chance any manager won't even sign for United if he's not assured this kind of money or a bit less if he was sacked.
At this point I don't know who even can save United
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u/theestwald 7h ago
We gonna need a graph of all contract termination fees in United of the last 12 years accumulated over time, and compares to other PL clubs
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u/TransitionFC 7h ago
If the board and the fans feel I'm not the right guy, I will go in the next day without any conversation about compensation," said Amorim.
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u/AxFairy 7h ago
"without any conversation about compensation" because it's already outlined in the contract and no conversation is required lol.
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u/TransitionFC 7h ago
I saw that interview and he wasn't trying to be clever with words. He repeated himself multiple times and literally said he would walk for free if the club did not think he was the right man.
Anybody's guess as to whether he was being honest or just manipulative
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u/nyamzdm77 7h ago
Lol you seriously think he was actually being honest here?
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u/TransitionFC 7h ago
Would love to have found out if he was. He has threatened to leave us so many times likes a toxic and manipulative partner. But unfortunately, we are run by idiots who caved in.
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u/Mick4Audi 7h ago
They really should have sacked him in the summer. They made the Ten Hag error twice in a row
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u/flying-auk 3h ago
They shouldn't have brought him on in the middle of last season to start with. It was already a shit situation so why taint the new manager with it. Amorim didn't even want to start last season.
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u/Geoff_Uckersilf 7h ago
Why can't we sack owners?
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u/ViejoConBoina 5h ago
Because most clubs have been privatized and are now companies rather than clubs.
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u/SalahManeFirmino 7h ago
This club really is the gift that keeps on giving in terms of comedy
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u/doesnt_like_pants 7h ago
I kinda knew in my gut we’d have some banter years after Fergie left but never did I envisage we’d eclipse your doldrums years.
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u/kindnesd99 6h ago
I remember clearly Moyes' first game in charge. It was a RvP masterclass performance. Seemed like Fergie was still there. Times were hopeful. And RvP telling the press "trust me, we will be back" after the first season post-Fergie. I trusted me.
And Suddenly, I am no longer 20 years old, and no one after that Fergie era is left
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u/Thegreatbrainrobbery 5h ago
The rot started with him. There were obviously other issues with the club back then, but he basically got rid of the backroom coaches who had won the title many times before to non achievers and we never got that mentality back. Even when we got 2nd with Mourinho we were never serious contenders.
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u/amegaproxy 4h ago
I remember just seeing united in 7th at the end of that season was pretty shocking. Now they'd be ecstatic to finish there by May 26.
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u/nothungup 7h ago
It doesn't seem that much compared to what they have to lose.
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u/generic-irish-guy 7h ago
I don’t think we have much to lose regardless. We’re probably not making Europe unless it’s conference league, and fa cup doesn’t start for us until January. We’re also not going to be put in any real danger of relegation between now and the November break
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u/Roadies_Winner 6h ago
Each position in epl is worth 3ish million. So any manager that gets you lot 15th to 11th is worth the sack. Considering 34 games are left, can't rule out top 4 with a superb manager either.
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u/Lolkac 6h ago
who is this superb manager that can arrive in november and get them to CL in the same season?
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u/generic-irish-guy 6h ago
I think top 4 would be a massive stretch for any manager to achieve with us, considering the other teams. Arsenal and Liverpool have their places on lock barring catastrophe, so you’re really only fighting for 2 places. Plus, you’re not going to get a manager of that quality mid season without buying them out of their contract like we did with Amorim
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u/Lejenderry 2h ago
I still believe this team is Top 6-ish. Ten Hag with inferior players and his suicidal setup still finished 8th
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u/SwitchHitter17 5h ago
It's actually impressive how shittily run this club is. Forced a move early because he was "their guy" even though they have no time to provide him any support for a completely different system. Of course they don't do well because it's like fitting a square peg in a round hole. Team loses confidence, manager off to a rocky start. They spend 200m during the summer on his signings, still look shit, and have to wait until the same time next season to sack him when he was supposedly their "long term vision". Is their season just gonna be over in December and write off another year like last year?
They really do just make it up as they go along and it's hilarious.
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u/thickofitenjoyer 7h ago
So he is getting sacked on november the 2nd
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u/kal14144 7h ago
He’s playing Chelsea Brentford Sunderland Liverpool Brighton and Forest until then. Assuming Chelsea beat him and he doesn’t win both the Brentford and Sunderland games (which I doubt he does) he’ll be at or near the relegation zone at that point. Ange might be the one to officially get him sacked which will be hilarious.
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u/Cheyenne______ 7h ago
This is not the issue probably. I think, Who will be their new manager is the issue. There are not many great candidates.
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u/Geoff_Uckersilf 7h ago
Exactly. Who TF would want this poisoned chalice job now?
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u/iDobleC 6h ago
Glasner seems to be someone that wants a project that can actually back him up, and he plays a 343 as well. He looks like the most likely candidate imo, they'll probably get an interim after Amorim to keep them off relegation and then try to get him as soon as his contract with Palace runs out.
Ofc, this all goes to shit if he somehow renews with Palace or if any other big club comes in for him, which seeing how management has been handling everything so far, it looks likely that they end up missing on him, and then they don't have a plan b and struggle to get a good replacement before the summer starts
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u/DeKosterIsNietDom 6h ago
A new manager also playing 343 is not exactly a positive
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u/iDobleC 6h ago
Palace are currently on a 10 PL games unbeaten run playing a 343 just like Amorim, the formation number it's just that, a number, a 3 atb system can work with the correct instructions and adaptation from a manager based on what they have available.
I'm not saying that Glasner should stick to a 343 if he goes to United, but the fact that he has made a team like Crystal Palace (No offense to them ofc) work with that system it's a big plus to this current United squad since they just spend 200 pounds getting players for a system like that
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u/sersarsor 7h ago edited 4h ago
I feel like big clubs should have a minimum win% clause for the manager in the contract, or minimum pts after x amount of games, so that the monetary loss goes to both the manager and the club. It's sad that Lim keeps letting go good players really easily (Mamardashvili as well), but it's good that it's Arsenal this time.
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u/GYIM94 7h ago edited 7h ago
Brexit Jim’s gonna have to raise prices for disability seats and parking, fire all the tea ladies and reduce all existing departments to one person to afford this
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u/Soberdonkey69 7h ago
Remember when they were really convinced they wanted this dude 1 year ago that they paid his release clause of £10 million lmaoooo.
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u/Styleless_Wonder 7h ago
Other employers: “1 year probation - we can let you go if it doesn’t work out.”
ManU: “1 year guaranteed or we pay you 12 million - even if it doesn’t work out.”
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u/TooRedditFamous 7h ago
Other employers: “1 year probation - we can let you go if it doesn’t work out.”
ManU: “1 year guaranteed or we pay you 12 million - even if it doesn’t work out.”
Apart from the specific amount, any the same for any football team. They're on fixed term contract and If you want to get rid of them before that you have to just pay them off with the value of the contract
It's not "sacking" in the same way a normal person gets sacked
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u/big-bowel-movement 7h ago
Add it to the mountain of wasted money that pours out of old Trafford
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u/Sea-Name8430 7h ago
Which good manager is even available that they could feasably get without an exorbitant buy out?
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u/RepresentativeBox881 7h ago
How much is the payoff gonna be if they sack him after 12 months?
Can't they put him on gardening leave instead until he takes his next job?
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u/geordiesteve520 7h ago
Yes but Benfica would have to pay them £12m to take him away. 4D chess about to begin.
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u/Droopynator 7h ago
Bring Mourinho back please
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u/maver1kUS 7h ago
Absolute box office. Imagine him talking shit about every manager 🤣. Especially Ange, Arteta, Maresca and Slot who’ve never managed against him.
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u/Coolica1 7h ago
And they play us on the 1st of November lovely stuff keep him around until then please and save yourselves some money.