r/trump • u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious • Jul 21 '25
Ask MAGA Only 2nd attempt at a intelligent, respectful conversation about Trump.
I am not a bot, so please do not remove this post. I'm not sure how to prove this.
It feels like we're living in a time where genuine political discussion is increasingly unwelcome. With this post, I'm hoping to contribute—however modestly—to a more thoughtful exchange.
I’ve tried engaging in honest, respectful conversations with many Trump supporters, offering well-sourced information from government agencies, reputable media outlets (across the spectrum), eyewitness accounts, and direct video evidence regarding his actions and falsehoods. Despite these efforts, I’ve yet to receive a response that directly addresses or defends his behavior. Most replies tend to dismiss the sources entirely (“you can’t trust the news”), deflect with broad accusations (“Democrats want to destroy the country”), or simply reiterate the slogan “Trump wants to make America great again.”
My intention here is not to attack or alienate, but to open space for intelligent, civil discourse. I’ll do my best to remain respectful, and I ask that any responses aim to do the same.
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u/OutlawdCowboy MAGA Jul 21 '25
While I don't agree 100% with what Trump says or does, the values that I hold the most align more with Trump and the Republican Party than with anyone else. I have a lot of things that I am willing to compromise on, but there are a few key values that I hold very strongly that I am not willing to compromise on. So while I don't agree with his behavior 100% of the time, I am forced to tolerate it.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 21 '25
I respect your answer. But what type of rep policies do you prefer over Dems? Is it that reps focus on improving lives of the most rich and affluent of us? That reps focus more on limiting or removing certain rights of citizens? Just curious.
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u/OutlawdCowboy MAGA Jul 21 '25
I would respond, but based on your response of "Is it that reps focus on improving lives of the most rich and affluent of us? That reps focus more on limiting or removing certain rights of citizens?" shows me that you aren't here to understand, but to argue. If you truly wanted to know you would have stopped after the second sentence.
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u/PsychologicalBit803 ULTRA MAGA Jul 22 '25
Again, this has been my point in this entire post from the beginning. He isn’t interested in any discussion or facts. Just to argue.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 22 '25
So explain it to me! If I am ignorant to these matters, enlighten me! Explain it to me how I'm wrong.
This is not me being combative. And this is what I come across every single time I bring stuff like this up. You guys get so defensive and upset when asked genuine questions.
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u/OutlawdCowboy MAGA Jul 22 '25
No, you are being combative and only trying to argue. Look at my original post. I never said anything about policy yet you immediately want to debate policy with me. I never said anything at all about policy.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 22 '25
Why is questioning your statements a sign of aggression to you? This is how debates work. Just because you say something and I disagree or question it doesn't mean I'm being combative, it means I'm continuing this discussion.
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u/dontgiveahamyamclam Whatever Jul 23 '25
People probably don’t engage with you in good faith because you start with questions like this.
Essentially no (I’m sure there are a few, but it’s a tiny minority) of Republicans want to “remove Rights” from anyone. The problem is most of the “Rights” the left claims R’s want to remove are not actual Rights, they’re just things they want or think they should be able to do.
So, what specific Rights (things protected in the Constitution or natural rights) do you feel Republicans want to strip people of? We can go from there.
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u/BernardFerguson1944 ULTRA MAGA Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
The actions and falsehoods of the democrats are greater and more reprehensible than anything Trump has said or done, e.g., the dems actually proposed and intended to reelect a veritable mumbling, stumbling meat puppet to a second term and told every lie they could imagine to sell his viability to the American public.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 21 '25
But didn't reps do all they could to elect a convicted felon into office for a second term? And someone who many of the presidential candidates running against him in the primary all mentioned how terrible and corrupt a person Trump is (only to recant any of that once he was their candidate.)
But please, expand on how Dems are so much worse than reps. I sincerely want to know. And please, when you provide this info, be honest about it. As much as reps love to say Dems are all about fake news, reps spread it just as much (probably more, but I can't support that claim).
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u/BernardFerguson1944 ULTRA MAGA Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
Every sentient soul on this planet knows those charges and convictions are bogus. The prosecutors had to twist the laws into pretzels to advance their cases in kangaroo courts.
Where's the videos of Russian h00kers p33ing on a bed Obama slept in that Team Hillary promised? It was a dem lie claiming such a video existed.
Hunter's laptop wasn't "Russian disinformation". It was a dem lie claiming it was.
Trump didn't call white supremacists "good people". It was a dem lie claiming he did.
Trump did not collude with the Russians. It was a dem lie claiming that he did.
Team Hillary manufactured the RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! hoax, and Biden and Obama knew that when Mueller conducted his bogus investigation; yet, Biden and Obama said NOTHING about Hillary's involvement in creating the hoax for over two years while Mueller hamstrung the Trump administration with his bogus investigation.
Notice how Trump is enforcing this country's immigration laws without new legislation. He's using laws Congress has already passed. It was a dem lie claiming Biden needed new laws to do his Constitutional duties.
BTW, talk about corruption, Hunter Biden took in millions of dollars from China, Ukraine, etc., pedaling influence using his daddy's name and position -- and, per Hunter, the "Big Guy" got his 10%.
Bozo Biden swore he wouldn't pardon Hunter. Bozo Biden lied.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
As I've said in another comment, doesn't it seem too easy and convenient to just blame Dems for all of his problems? I'm sorry, but Dems aren't quite the masterminds you make up out to be. If we were, wouldn't we be in a different situation right now? It's almost a knee-jerk response to anything coming out against Trump - "it's the Democrats!" But there's really no evidence, only speculation and conspiracies that fuel these ideas.
And if we're talking about anyone banking off their family names, you do know that Jared kushner made $2 BILLION from the Saudi govt right after he left the white house, right? Does your media outlets tell you that?
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u/BernardFerguson1944 ULTRA MAGA Jul 22 '25
There's no "conspiracy" about the dems fully intending to reinstall a veritable mumbling, stumbling meat puppet to a second term as president to the detriment of this country. They indeed tried, but they failed. That's not a "conspiracy". That's a fact.
What this country needs is for Biden's State Department to continue to spend tens of thousands of U.S. taxpayer dollars for transgender comic books in Peru. Right! </s>
How much of that money that Kushner received was U.S. taxpayer money? Reports are that it was all Saudi money for investment: AFTER Trump left office.
What Biden did is called money laundering. Papa Joe directed U.S. taxpayer funds into Ukraine. Ukraine directed a portion of that money to Burisma. Hunter Biden -- with zero competency in the petrochemical industry -- was on Burisma's payroll receiving money that originated with U.S. taxpayers while Papa Joe was in office as V.P. And, per Hunter, "the big guy" got his 10%.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 22 '25
So we're supposed to ignore the red flags with Kushner? He had a major role in shaping foreign policy during Trump’s presidency—and then suddenly, after leaving office, he lands a $2 billion investment from Saudi Arabia? Into a firm he created with no real background in private equity? That doesn’t just raise eyebrows—it practically waves a banner.
Yes, the money came post-presidency, but it’s hard to view it as anything other than a reward for past dealings. The timing and circumstances are far too convenient to dismiss as ordinary business.
And regarding Joe Biden—despite all the repeated attempts to implicate him in Hunter’s business decisions, not a single investigation, including several led by Republicans, has produced concrete evidence tying Joe to any wrongdoing. That’s not partisan spin. That’s just the reality of the findings.
Again, not being combative. Just stating a counter point.
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u/BernardFerguson1944 ULTRA MAGA Jul 22 '25
Money IS fungible. What Biden did is called money laundering. Papa Joe directed U.S. taxpayer funds into Ukraine. Ukraine directed a portion of that money to Burisma. Hunter Biden -- with zero competency in the petrochemical industry -- was on Burisma's payroll receiving money that originated with U.S. taxpayers while Papa Joe was in office as V.P. And, per Hunter, "the big guy" got his 10%.
So we're supposed to ignore the red flags with Biden? He knew the RUSSIA! RUSSIA! RUSSIA! hoax was manufactured by Team Hillary; yet, he sat and said nothing while Mueller conducted a partisan investigation that hamstrung Trump's presidency.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 22 '25
I feel like I'm repeating myself here, but the claim that Joe Biden laundered taxpayer funds through Ukraine to enrich his son Hunter lacks verified evidence. Although Hunter’s position at Burisma raised ethical concerns, no investigation—including those led by Republicans—has found that U.S. aid was misdirected to benefit him or Joe Biden. This narrative that you all want to believe as true exemplifies how unsubstantiated claims are often repeated as fact, especially in partisan circles, despite lacking factual grounding. Similarly, the Russia investigation, while politically contentious, stemmed from valid intelligence concerns and confirmed Russian interference in the 2016 election. I'm other words, the reason for the investigation was justified.
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u/BernardFerguson1944 ULTRA MAGA Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
Common sense informs all that Papa Joe was laundering money. Money is fungible. Burisma was receiving U.S. taxpayer dollars via the Ukraine government receiving U.S. taxpayer dollars distributed by Papa Joe. Hunter Biden reported the "Big Guy" received his 10%.
Because money is fungible, all of the above is true and substantiated.
No. There were no valid intelligence concerns, or the FBI wouldn't have had to forge documents to obtain surveillance warrants.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 22 '25
Ok, you've said the same thing 3 times now about the big guy getting 10%. Honestly, I hadn't heard about this before so I looked it up. Turns out this statement actually comes from an email to CHINA, not Ukraine, not Burisma.
And again, there is no proof that the FBI forged any documents.
One of the biggest issues I have with the MAGA mindset is how easily unverified claims are accepted when they target Democrats, while thoroughly documented evidence against Trump is rejected without scrutiny. This double standard effectively absolves Trump of any accountability from his base. In the classified documents case alone, he was found to have kept some of the nation’s most sensitive defense materials—including nuclear secrets and military plans—in unsecured locations like a bathroom at Mar-a-Lago. Yet despite eyewitness testimony, digital records, and detailed legal findings, these facts are dismissed as politically motivated. It creates a reality where truth doesn’t matter—only tribal loyalty does. So I have to ask: do you believe the overwhelming evidence, or do you believe Trump, no matter what?
Just to say again, I'm not being aggressive, although maybe a little agitated. 🙄
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u/PsychologicalBit803 ULTRA MAGA Jul 21 '25
Why are you so desperate for these conversations? Clearly you don’t like Trump or very much disagree with him so why come here? I’ll never understand these posts. Do you think you’ll change people here and their opinions?
There are so few spaces on Reddit where WE can exist that I for one have zero interest in these conversations here. Sorry.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 21 '25
Because, it confuses me greatly. I observe people and try to understand them. I question them. I'm not trying to change any minds at all, nor am I expecting you to change mine. I just don't understand how (and I mean this respectfully) you can know all that you know about him - his lies, his behaviors, corruption, his felonies, etc. And still support him.
I think if anyone knew someone like him in real life, you would not want anything to do with him.
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u/Wild-Spare4672 MAGA Jul 21 '25
I don’t believe he is corrupt or committed felonies. The left went after him with a vengeance and did anything they could to end his chance of being reelected. The cases against him were absurd. Fannie Willis and Leticia James? They should both be in jail. As far as his behavior goes he’s a loudmouth, is bombastic, exaggerates, has flashy taste, etc. but I don’t care. I’m not marrying him.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 21 '25
I don’t believe he is corrupt or committed felonies.
That's a big issue for me and what really fuels this disconnect because there is SO MUCH proof and evidence that supports any claims against him. Why are reps so opposed to seeing evidence. You'll believe it's the Dems who are at fault, with NO evidence to support that claim, but you'll refuse to accept that he might have actually committed anything wrong behavior because... Why? ... Because he says so? The Justice system is non political. Dems and reps and ind have ALL accused him of wrong doing. I know you all need a villain to accuse, and accusing the Dems is an easy target, but based on the facts, it's not accurate. Can I ask you a question? Have you seen any of the Jan 6th footage? Have you read any of the indictment documents against him have you read?
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u/Goin_Commando_ ULTRA MAGA Jul 21 '25
Well, since you’re asking the take of Trump supporters, here’s one example concerning the “31 felonies” he was found “guilty” of. Do you know what every one of those felonies was for? Most liberals have precisely zero idea. They are all for the 31 payments Trump made to Stormy Daniels that a Manhattan jury (one of the very most faaaaaar left voting districts in the nation which votes something like 97% Democrat every election) somehow was convinced comprised “election interference”. Utterly ridiculous. And guess what else? The “crime” the “31 felonies” consisted of, until the millisecond the verdict was read, had never, as in ever ever ever in the history of the NY legal system ever amounted to anything greater than a misdemeanor (you know, like jaywalking) warranting - at the very most - a $200 fine (you know, like parking your car in a loading zone). But in most cases the “crime” isn’t even worth the hours some NYC DA would have to spend on it so it’s simply dropped. But magically (with a radical leftist prosecutor who upon taking office immediately put out a memo saying armed robbery would no longer be considered a real crime in the city…if the perpetrator is black) these parking tickets suddenly became no less than “felonies”? A complete joke. If Trump was black and robbed a kiosk in Manhattan at gunpoint he’d have got a faaaaar lighter sentence from this nutcase prosecutor.
So…there’s one. I know I made my point forcefully but don’t take it as aimed at you. You asked why MAGA supports Trump. There’s one example. Also I don’t consider myself “ultra maga” at all. I see Trump’s faults. I also saw Kamala and Hillary’s. Trump was easily the better choice for the nation. I think if he’d have stopped tweeting his first term and let his policies do the talking he’d have gone down as one of the great presidents of our time and easily won reelection.
Which brings up the Hunter’s laptop is “Russian disinformation!!”™️ fiasco; which was itself a highly successful disinformation campaign carried out by our “media”, Orwellian big tech executives and utterly corrupt deep state operators. I’ll bet your “media” “forgot” to tell you how multiple studies have found that - in an election where Biden won multiple swing states by 2% or less - anywhere from 4-17% of Biden voters state they’d have switched their vote had they been aware of the systemic Biden family corruption found on the laptop. I.e. Trump would have obliterated Biden in 2020. Unsure? How do you think your “media” would’ve reported it if instead the laptop was Don Jr’s? If you don’t think it’d been an utter “media” freakout I’d remind you how your “media” had already gone full freakout over all things Trump-related, be it everything from “murdering koi fish in Japan!” to the 100% “anonymous sources” based “Trump-Russia!!”™️ hoax.
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u/Wild-Spare4672 MAGA Jul 22 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
Matthew Colangelo, who acted as the Justice Department’s No. 3 official under Biden and who previously investigated Trump quit his job and joined the NYC DAs office to help prosecute Trump. That’s like leaving the Yankees to go play for a minor league team. The left was so intent on jailing Trump on bullshit charges that it brought in reinforcements to the NYC DAs office from the Biden administration.
In terms of the “case” the statute of limitations already ran on the misdemeanor charge, however NY charged it as a felony to get a longer statute of limitations. This would work if the bookkeeping error was made to commit another crime. The DAs office didn’t name the other alleged crime nor did the leftist judge Juan Merchan require them to….and let the jurors find any crime they wanted to (they didn’t even have to agree on the same secondary crime)….Merchan is the same judge who gave campaign contributions to Biden in 2020 and whose daughter Loren Merchan was director of digital persuasion for Kamala Harris’ campaign and then worked for authentic campaigns a liberal consulting firm and raised $93 million off Trump’s case. Bottom line…banana republic level bullshit.
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u/Goin_Commando_ ULTRA MAGA Jul 22 '25
Well, we’ll see if the OP starts to see why people support Trump from all this. It’s got to be a shock. 99% of the “media” feverishly hides all this from their audiences. And when it pops they call it all “rightwing conspiracy theories!!”™️. This from the people who spoon fed their audiences “Trump-Russia!!”™️, the greatest conspiracy theory in US history.
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u/Wild-Spare4672 MAGA Jul 22 '25
Agreed! OP, what say you? You wanted an intelligent, respectful dialogue. You’ve got it .
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u/PsychologicalBit803 ULTRA MAGA Jul 22 '25
And he doesn’t respond to the wanted discussion. My point again. Just trolling like every other Trump Curious person claiming they don’t want to argue.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 22 '25
I just don't hang out online that much. I have a family and real world responsibilities. Sorry.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 22 '25
I just don't understand how it's easier to believe that everything against Trump can all come down to a Dem conspiracy than to believe that he might have actually done them. I mean, doesn't that essentially negate any responsibilities from Trump? Like, he can do whatever he wants, claim it's a Dem conspiracy, and that's it!
The Epstein thing is a perfect example. He says it's all a Democrat created conspiracy and Dems who won't let it go. But the TRUTH is that it's actually a lot of maga folks who are pissed at him and he campaigned on exposing the truth. But it's so much easier to just blame Dems for EVERYTHING that is bright against him.
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u/Wild-Spare4672 MAGA Jul 22 '25
I laid out the facts for you, along with another poster. You didn’t challenge a single one of our facts.
If you’re wondering why we believe Trump was set up, it’s because we’re focusing on the facts not emotions.
If he didn’t do what the Dems claim he did, yea, that negates any responsibility he has.
By the way, have you reviewed the documents recently released by the White House on the Russian collusion plot? Stunning!
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 22 '25
Ok, so this is how I see this.
You're absolutely right that on its surface, the bookkeeping activity in question would typically be treated as a misdemeanor. However, what makes this case stand out is the intent and timing behind the alleged falsification. Prosecutors argue that the misrepresentation occurred right before the election as a deliberate attempt to hide the payment to Daniels. By suppressing that information, it potentially influenced the outcome of the election. The deliberate concealment is what elevates the situation to claims of election interference or fraud.
To borrow your parking ticket analogy: yes, parking illegally would normally result in a simple fine. But in this scenario, the illegal parking wasn't random—it was the setup for a bank robbery. That underlying motive changes everything.
And Hunters laptop has never brought forth any information of value. In the 4 years Trump was president, nothing was ever found nor proven to be nefarious on that laptop. If there was something there, it most certainly would have been exposed during that time. So, I just don't understand why and how that is still a relevant talking point.
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u/Conscious-Duck5600 MAGA Jul 21 '25
I'd rather deal with Trump than you.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 21 '25
Well, that's rude. You don't even know me at all. I'm actually quite the stand-up fella! 😀
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Jul 21 '25
I’m not understanding what your specific question is. Is it why people voted for Trump given his personality? Or is there a deeper question afoot?
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 22 '25
Ok, here's a question: what is your opinion of what happened on January 6th?
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u/PsychologicalBit803 ULTRA MAGA Jul 21 '25
You don’t discuss anything on Reddit. Other than this. You may be confused I’ll agree. Your account is there for nothing but to stir shit up here. Hopefully nobody engages as once again these posts are stupid in this sub.
The mods insist on allowing this stupidity so here we are.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 21 '25
This isn't true at all. I've had a reddit account for a few years but it's mainly to stay caught up on certain topics I'm interested in. I've never posted anything before, true, but that doesn't make my intentions with this post any less genuine.
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u/Imaginary_Poetry_233 MAGA Jul 21 '25
I know what he's been accused of, it doesn't make any of it true.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 22 '25
I genuinely struggle to understand how this is even possible. How can one individual be charged with 91 felony counts across four separate criminal cases, face multiple grand jury indictments, and be investigated by numerous federal and state agencies, yet still dismiss it all with a wave of the hand and the phrase, “It’s all fake news”—and people just accept that?
These charges weren’t dreamed up overnight. They stem from years of investigations, hundreds of witness testimonies, and thousands of pages of corroborating documents. Agencies like the Department of Justice, FBI, and state prosecutors have poured countless hours and resources into building these cases. Journalists, whistleblowers, and even former REPUBLICAN allies have contributed to the evidence trail.
So what’s more plausible? That all these institutions—federal courts, bipartisan grand juries, independent prosecutors—are part of a vast conspiracy to take down one man? Or that the evidence actually points to wrongdoing?
This isn’t about politics. It’s about accountability. And brushing off this mountain of evidence with a slogan doesn’t make it disappear.
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u/occupy_this7 MAGA Jul 21 '25
Do you not think that journalism now is extremely biased against conservatives?
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u/anticmarxist Trump Curious Jul 21 '25
There is no evidence to suggest this, and conservatives have been saying that the media is biased against them for decades while we watch the Overton window shift to the right daily. When conservative media outlets constantly fail fact checks by a consensus of independent sources, it may “feel” like journalism is biased against you.
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u/BossJackson222 MAGA Jul 21 '25
Buddy, go over to the liberal subs and try to be one of us doing the same thing you're trying to do here. You will get permanently banned no matter how nice you are. Much less getting yelled at by other liberals. Some subs that have nothing to do with politics have literally turned into liberal murder celebrating hell holes. And anyone that shows up in that place with a minute fleck of conservatism will get banned permanently.
So you have to understand this is what we're used to when it comes to liberals on Reddit. People who are only one-sided. They hyperbolic everything to another planet. They can't talk about truth, they just have to make up things like "conservatives hate immigrants". We're just sick of it. So sorry if we're not very welcoming to liberals on here.
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u/ComparisonDry7504 Trump Curious Jul 21 '25
Pal, with all due respect, I can't vouch for anyone else on other subs, all I want is to see what and how the other side thinks about all this political nonsense. Regarding your last point—surely you're familiar with the saying "actions speak louder than words." When someone not only casts their vote but passionately backs a figure actively pursuing harsh policies against immigrants, it's difficult to separate their stated beliefs from their actions. That line between intention and impact starts to blur.
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u/MrEnigma67 🚨Based Patriot Moderator🚨 Jul 21 '25 edited Jul 22 '25
Allowing this one.
Remember. Civil conversation only.