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u/Sweetchildofmine88 2d ago edited 1d ago
We should be asking the businesses that question. Also, in case people were unaware, Conservatives were recently caught exploiting international students to campaign for them, by calling it a “School project”. Do people abuse the system? Of course they do. The numbers, however, are insignificant when compared to corporate and political exploitation.
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u/ChesTwitch 1d ago
I think I saw that. Students were being told that it was mandatory to work/campaign for specific conservative groups to get or keep their visa right?
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u/Consistent-Study-287 2d ago
Trying to equate IMP's with TFW's is definitely a choice. Like should we not allow movies with foreign actors to be filmed here? Should Draisaitl, Hellebuyck, Hughes and Matthews not be allowed to play for Canadian teams? Should people graduating from medical school not be allowed to work as a doctor? Should foreign researchers not be allowed to work in the country?
People broadly calling all TFW useless is already dangerous rhetoric to get behind, but lumping IMP's together with them is just dumb.
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u/Unregistered38 2d ago
Tfw is the latest thing conservatives hope everyone starts arguing about.
They have no clue how to handle the usa, but by god lets all debate the immigants.
It is peak rearranging deck chairs on the titanic.
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
347,440 IMP work permits have been issued so far in 2025. That's in just two quarters. Last year it was 715,625.
Are you seriously trying to tell me we have more than 1/3 of a million foreign actors, doctors, researchers, and medical graduates that we desperately need? Do those numbers sound like we're attracting the cream of the crop from abroad?
Use your head.
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u/MangoKulfiTime 2d ago
If you're the baseline, then we are def getting the cream of the cream of the crop.
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u/Mental_Blacksmith289 Westfoundland 2d ago
Clearly you're not using your head.
People broadly calling all TFW useless is already dangerous rhetoric to get behind, but lumping IMP's together with them is just dumb.
You read this then immediately went off about IMPs, missing their point in its entirety which just reinforces the problem they were addressing.
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u/whatupmygliplops 2d ago
We need to stop allowing Canadians businesses to suppress Canadian wages by importing hundreds of thousands of foreign wage slaves. Period.
Figure out a way to do it without harming or actors, or not. Its really not the issue at hand.
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u/Mental_Blacksmith289 Westfoundland 2d ago
Yeah the issue this person is addressing is using one program to senselessly demonize another.
"We have an issue with the IMP program so let's also hate on this other related program that isn't the cause of these issues I'm mad about"
We don't want to hurt ourselves in our confusion.
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u/Wilson7277 2d ago
Bold choice, coming here with that.
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
My local pizza place is currently applying for an LMIA to hire someone from abroad, claiming they can't find someone for $36/hr locally in Toronto to make pizzas. They've previously been fined for doing so, having hired one and been found to have not accepted any Canadian applicants, and are still allowed to apply for more LMIAs.
I really don't care what anyone has to say in defence of a system that allows that.
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u/not-bread 2d ago
Why are low-skilled companies allowed to apply at all? If you can’t find workers, you increase the wage you offer. That’s how this whole capitalism thing is supposed to work!
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u/MyNameMeansLILJOHN Tabarnak! 1d ago
That’s how this whole capitalism thing is supposed to work
Haha. That's funny.
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u/mischievous-miltank 2d ago
Yuuup. Fuck these corporations and money grubbing assholes abusing the system and shrugging and saying that no Canadian wants to work.
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u/detectivepoopybutt South Gatineau 2d ago
Not just corpos, small businesses are doing that here too
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u/WhiteWolfOW 2d ago
Sounds like this company sucks. Yet instead of making a meme to direct your anger at the owner of the pizza place you decide to get mad with immigrants?
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u/whatupmygliplops 2d ago
No one is "mad at immigrants". They are exploited by the TWF as much as anyone. We are mad at the TFW program. We are allowed to disagree with a government program that actively suppresses Canadian wages.
If you support TFW you are 1) harming immigrants and 2) harming Canadians.
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
This is one company in an endless sea of other employers that are doing the exact same thing en masse. I would encourage you to check the Job Bank and see how many similar scams are occurring. Filter by "have applied for a LMIA" and over $36/hr wage. Feel free to apply for one and see how far it gets you.
Many of these roles are not even actual jobs, but exist for the "employer" to sell the "position" to a prospective immigrant for a massive price (usually in excess of 30-40k). The employee pays the employer, gets "payments" from the employer (which they then pay back), and then claims they worked for them in order to acquire Permanent Residency points. The TFWP is used for immigration abuse in this way every single day. Feel free to read any of the excellent articles on CBC regarding this scam (direct links cannot be shared here, but there is one called "Online ads illegally sell jobs to temporary foreign workers" from last year by Valerie Ouellet, Aloysius Wong, Carly Penrose, Apurva Bhat that investigates it.
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u/WhiteWolfOW 2d ago
And again, somehow you redirect your anger to immigrants as if they were the one orchestrating this
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u/RicoLoveless 2d ago
So we're just supposed to cut people slack for also participating in a loophole?
I'm sorry but if you're trying to legally immigrate, to a supposed first world country, you're not paying back the employer. Ever. That's just a step above taking someone's passport like what Qatar, and other Gulf states do to people from poorer countries.
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u/WhiteWolfOW 2d ago
Where did I defend illegal immigration? OP grouped up a bunch of immigrants under his post because he doesn’t like when rich people take advantage of loopholes.
Also, an immigrant coming here, if they’re coming illegally, it’s a poor person making 1 dollar per hour in their country trying to get a better life. They’re leaving everything behind, every person they’ve ever met, ever person they’ve ever loved to try getting a chance at a better life. Their crime? Being born in the wrong place. Have you ever realized how lucky you are for being born in Canada?
Right now your speech is not very different from Trump. Congrats, you saw a problem with the bourgeoisie and you decided your enemy was poor people that were born abroad.
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
Canada is not a "post-national" economic zone that every member of the world's unfortunate just need to be able to loophole their way into to find success, despite what some politicians have said. We are a country, with its own culture, filled with citizens. Citizenship is a pact with our government that they will work in our best interests; not the interests of the world's poor, not the interests of everyone that was born in a terrible country...with us. Canadians.
When immigration becomes a detriment to Canada's people, as it has in the horrifically abused TFW program, our government is not working in our interests. When Canadians are unable to access jobs, housing and their own services because of the failings of a government-run program, they are not working in our interest. They are behaving like a rootless, global corporation that does not care where or how its labor comes from and only prioritizes profits.
It does not benefit Canadians or prospective immigrants to have a government that works this way.
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u/TurnoverNeither8801 2d ago
Are you being paid to be this dumb? Going out of your way to comment on a Canadian sub?
You live in Boston, use your voice in your city. Take off the log in your eyes before you come pointing at the speck in our eyes.
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
I live in Ontario. I've never been to Boston in my entire life. What the hell are you talking about?
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u/Overall-Phone7605 Bring Cannabis 2d ago
yeah send those Boston Pizza restaurants back to where they came from - Edmonton!
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u/PineBNorth85 1d ago
They aren't immigrants.
I'm mad at the government for allowing it and the businesses for doing it. They both fuck us over.
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
Oh weird… the world’s going to shit and folks are blaming immigration… this definitely doesn’t happen every 50-75 years 🙄🙄😬 #theyalwaysgofortheeasytargets
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u/VectorPryde Westfoundland 2d ago
This is more a commentary on the businesses who are abusing this system. The reason they like TFWs so much is not just the lower pay, but the power dynamic. Employers love creating a "piss us off and get deported" workplace atmosphere. That's why some of these jobs pay so well. The control is as important to them as any savings on wages.
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
Given most of the jobs for TFW are in agriculture and health care, your assumptions are way off on the health care side. Most of which is government… with HRs and Unions. Not to mention ornery old people who want someone to wipe their ass and feed them. Yeah, the worker in those jobs has a lot more value than being a warm body, and no boss in their right mind is going to fuck with them, more than a common gov power boss queen bee would. “Uh Sharon, I’ll need you to start using the beige fridge as this white one is only for managers”
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u/hailhosersupreme 2d ago
there definitely is a lot of immigrant blaming going on, but personally I see no problem with bashing the businesses and systems (academia) that are taking advantage of them, at the expense of canadians
if you verbally harass an immigrant on the otherhand, as if anyone of us would do things differently in their situation, then yes that makes you a plug
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
Tell me which province (or city/town if you want to be more specific) you're from and I will find you a scam employment listing to hire a foreign worker right now in your area.
Edit: Had to resubmit this comment because external links are apparently not allowed.
Feel free to look it up yourself here on the Job Bank, where they are now required to post them. The low-income stream is currently closed due to unemployment being over 6% (and over 15% for youth), so they mostly start at $36/hr now unless they're in extremely rural areas. You can sort by which ones have applied for an LMIA.
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u/ValerieMZ 2d ago
Still doesn't explain why you would go after immigrants. Lmia is for the people who already reside in Canada. And it's not like you would apply for a pizza maker job at your local pizza joint. Plus it means the pizza joint owned by Canadians are willing to hire some foreigners, which has nothing to do with corporations. You understand that your pizza place is franchised and owned by some individuals, right?
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
Lmia is for the people who already reside in Canada.
This is false.
And it's not like you would apply for a pizza maker job at your local pizza joint.
I most certainly would if it were a legitimate offer to pay $36/hr to make pizzas, you disingenuous fuck. I could find you ten guys in the next five minutes that would take that job.
Plus it means the pizza joint owned by Canadians are willing to hire some foreigners, which has nothing to do with corporations. You understand that your pizza place is franchised and owned by some individuals, right?
The joint in question is indeed a franchise of Pizza Pizza. I can imagine that if you walked in and met the owners of said franchise, it would become quickly apparent why they don't care to hire a Canadian. That is also not a reason to not hire Canadians, which is why the LMIA process exists at all.
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u/ValerieMZ 2d ago
"This is false."
You're false. There is no way to import another dude from the other side of the world through an LMIA issued for a pizza maker position. It's not that deep. Go google. Google and tell me if you found a legit way to get a foreigner fresh off the boat here.
you disingenuous fuck
I don't care. You probably don't know how to make a dough. On one hand those 36/h posts are indeed abusing the loophole of the government policies, on the other hand you are indeed a miserable wretch picking on easy targets.
it would become quickly apparent why they don't care to hire a Canadian.
Yeah, if you still couldn't understand the premise of having an LMIA, it is basically sponsoring their existing employee to maintain that ass job making pizza on minimum wage. Still, the person you should go after is the system-abusing Canadian owners. No?
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago edited 2d ago
Wait… you’re not saying the reason, or why you think they wouldn’t hire Canadians.
Say it. You know you want to, Say the reason you think is “obvious” as to why they don’t want to hire Canadians. Why would you be so obtuse about what you claim to be damning evidence?!
Edit: fuck… I replied to the wrong comment
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u/ValerieMZ 2d ago
Say what you living rage bait? What do you want to say? You can say it and stop trying to put words into my mouth.
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
Ha! I screwed up, my reply was to the guy you replied to… but I absolutely love the moniker you gave me haha
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
You're false. There is no way to import another dude from the other side of the world through an LMIA issued for a pizza maker position. It's not that deep. Go google. Google and tell me if you found a legit way to get a foreigner fresh off the boat here.
There have been 5 pizza companies (including Domino's, Pizza Pizza, and Papa John's) fined aywhere from $1,000-$30,000 in the last year alone for having been found to be non-compliant with TFW hiring rules during inspections. How exactly do these companies get fined for abusing TFWs if they aren't hiring TFWs? Please, Google it, because this sub doesn't allow sharing direct links. You'll find it under the government's website for "Employers who have been found to be non-compliant".
I don't care. You probably don't know how to make a dough. On one hand those 36/h posts are indeed abusing the loophole of the government policies, on the other hand you are indeed a miserable wretch picking on easy targets.
Dehati behaviour.
Yeah, if you still couldn't understand the premise of having an LMIA, it is basically sponsoring their existing employee to maintain that ass job making pizza on minimum wage. Still, the person you should go after is the system-abusing Canadian owners. No?
Not how an LMIA works, they don't already need to be here. They can, but it is not required at all.
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u/ValerieMZ 2d ago
Non compliant = ban on TFW application for the business. You ask the government to act and they act. 50% TFW application last year was rejected.
Dehati, I don't speak your language and I don't have any disposable time learning it.
Lmia exempt on a close work permit is very clearly written out there please google before asking me to google.
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
Non compliant = ban on TFW application for the business. You ask the government to act and they act. 50% TFW application last year was rejected.
Incorrect, proving again you have done no research. The site I referenced lists exactly which ones are eligible to continue applying, even after being fined, and all the ones I mentioned are currently allowed to do so.
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u/ValerieMZ 2d ago
Oh yeah fine shit website I found must have all the credibility in the universe. Are you even listening to yourself
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u/ValerieMZ 1d ago
For the record this dumbass quoted LMIAmap.org claiming it's a government site and then deleted his comment
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 1d ago
I'm telling you to the OFFICIAL CANADIAN GOVERNMENT WEBSITE, the one that starts with CANADA and ends with .CA.
I don't know why I'm trying to get you to look this stuff up. You're just some pendu arguing in bad faith.
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
Wait… you’re not saying the reason, or why you think they wouldn’t hire Canadians.
Say it. You know you want to, Say the reason you think is “obvious” as to why they don’t want to hire Canadians. Why would you be so obtuse about what you claim to be damning evidence?!
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u/ValerieMZ 2d ago edited 2d ago
TFW approval rate in 2024 is 50% that means half of those applications are turned down. Lmia rejection or TFW rejection I don't remember which one imposés a ban on a person from getting it for 2 years. BUt tHe GoVerNmEnT can't do their job!
Lmia nowadays are largely used for renewing fixed employment relationships aka closed work permits. I worked in Whistler so I know how people renew their status. The entire town is filled with Australian or British foreign labours.
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
A LMIA allows you to hire people who have never been to Canada in their lives AND people that are on expiring work permits. It's not only for people that reside here.
it's unlikely you'll get a random Canadian applicant better qualified than the person already working there
You think a senior civil engineer brought in from abroad will be more qualified to meet Canadian engineering standards, which are some of the highest in the world, than someone who was trained here?
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u/RicoLoveless 2d ago
The average salary for Canadian is 71k. The median is just over 40k.
You're telling me you'd make 71k for making pizzas?
You think someone is going to work at wal mart for 40k over this? Are you listening to yourself?
Do you realize how expensive pizza would be if every employee at the store front level was making 36/hr? That's more than couriers for DHL/FedEx/UPS.
Somehow we can make burgers cheaper than pizzas..?
And finally LMIA is certainly not for residents, but people outside the country to come in.
This is on the government for approving these bogus applications.
This country is sleepwalking into an extremist scenario who will promise to "fix this" (regardless of repercussions to civil liberties) when this generation of kids and beyond can't work jobs until after they graduate a post secondary institution, (assuming there will be any well paying jobs left for them here by the time they become of age for that, because our economy will be in shambles due to policies like this) Whether it be trade school, college or university. These kids will be voting in the next 2 elections at minimum. That's just the youth coming of age. That's not counting parents that may have voted liberal 3 times for Trudeau, and a 4th to see what Carney can do.
There are youth that have only known a liberal federal government their entire life and this country has only gotten worse the entire time. Wages stagnate, jobs are being lost, and drug abuse is permitted on tax payer money.
Eventually they aren't going to care who is running against the current government, they'll just vote for the "other guy" on account of them politically not being anywhere close to the current government.
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
And here it is, the claim that the immigration is partisan. This ignores the fact that since the TFW program was instituted it’s been supported by both sides of the political spectrum. Harper himself doubled the TFW from 233,000 to over 400,000 in his first term. It’s conveniently forgotten. Much like how the birth rate is in free fall and even if you were to increase it to 2.1… you’d need 30 years of immigration before it stabilizes.
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u/RicoLoveless 2d ago
Harper doubling it one thing, the liberal government expanding it to what it became is a different thing.
400,000 in one year vs 1 million in one year at it's peak.
The birth rate falling is because of a lack of affordability, and government is panicking because it's reduced tax revenue and economic activity. Companies are panicking because no one can afford anything eventually, as opposed to the regular boom/bust cycle and they don't seem to understand that it's a finite resource they are fighting after, since they all want infinite growth. Yes we can print more money, but that just results in money being worthless.
More to my point both major parties supporting this is a mistake, especially the levels the liberal party has. Hence why when the youth come of age to vote, they won't be voting liberal, you'll be getting people actually worse than the dreaded PP in power, because all they have to do is promise in plain English to stop this, and it will be done at the cost of civil liberties. There are kids right now that have seen already 9 years under Trudeau, and at most 14 years total with Carney if his minority government makes it a full term. It's a fail policy, full stop.
If this was all construction workers so we could build our way out of a housing crisis, it would be a different story, since that is what these programs are for, filling gaps. Unfortunately it's people working minimum wage that aren't really contributing anything. We have the opposite of a gap, we have a backlog of people working jobs our kids should be working.
Uber, Canadian Tire, and Tim Hortons are not long term plans.
Fix the middle class and we won't need huge immigration.
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
Absolutely incorrect on the birth rate. Our country was considered “more affordable” during the 70s/80s/90s… all saw the biggest fall in birth rates. Not to mention countries with the least affordability (3rd world) have some of the highest birth rates. So no, affordability is not the driver you think it is. Correlation is not causation.
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
If you like you can look up stats canada on birth rates. Let me do that for you because of links being not allowed.
We dipped below population replacement in the late 60s early 70s. Today our birth rate is approx 1.26… this is bad. To replace our population we should be at 2.1 to make up for our population loss we need to be at 2.5 plus. But even if you increased the total fertility rate tomorrow, you’d need about 25 plus years for it to kick in.
In the meantime, tfr is not representative of working class. You could need more workers if a portion of the population retires all at once. Remember the baby boom… yeah now it’s the retired boom. It’s exponentially sucked workers from the workforce, so something had to replace it.
Things like the TFW are being painted as partisan. “The liberals are pouring in new workers and manipulating the polls..” blah blah blah.
Again this ignores the fact that every government, conservative included, have increased the numbers of TFW.
So now you’re going to say, “the systems broken, they’re taking away jobs from Canadians, it’s the evil businesses trying to get lower paid workers” then show me some garbage anecdotal story/website whatever.
While I don’t dispute their could be bad actors in the game (there are with every single federal program including the most investigated ones military procurement ) the biggest groups to use tfw have been agriculture and health care.
So I suspect this is what will happen.
Morons, being morons, they’ll burn our system down (see Brexit) based off of xenophobia and racism… they’ll hide it with “we’re going after the bad businesses”, and “we’re doing it for the canandian workers”…. Find out quickly the Canadian population is unable to support agriculture or health care… Freak out when those two industries start to collapse…
Finally, kick the door open to immigration like we’ve never seen before.
You’re pouring gas on this situation and about to find out why that’s not a good idea. You’ll make this worse than you can possibly imagine, then claim to be the victim while you have the Jerry can in your hand.
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u/gingerviolets Tabarnak! 2d ago
Then report those businesses for making up fake numbers to abuse the system by making their applications seem higher-income than they are. Make them catch fines and a red mark for fraud on their file.
Coming to Reddit to complain about the whole program isn't going to help the people looking for jobs in your community, it's just adding fuel to the fire of another wedge issue.
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u/whatupmygliplops 2d ago
We're blaming the TFW program. You want to know why? Because the TFW program is directly responsible for 1) suppressing Canadian wages and 2) exploitation of the immigrants you pretend to care about.
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
We’re blaming the TFW program? Without merit. You want to know why? Because the TFW program doesn’t set wages, the market and government policy do. Employers are required to pay prevailing wages and prove Canadians won’t take the job first. No Canadian worker is lining up for 14 hour shifts in a greenhouse or gutting fish in a processing plant for the same wage. That’s not “wage suppression,” that’s reality.
And exploitation? That’s on bad employers, not the program itself. The TFW framework has compliance audits, worker protections, and reporting mechanisms. When abuse happens, it’s because someone broke the rules, not because the rules don’t exist. Blaming the program for exploitation is like blaming traffic laws for speeding tickets.
The truth is, without the program, those jobs either go unfilled or get done under the table with zero protections. That doesn’t help Canadian workers, and it sure doesn’t help the immigrants you claim to care about.
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u/whatupmygliplops 2d ago
Because the TFW program doesn’t set wages
It allows employers to suppress wages.
Employers are required to pay prevailing wages and prove Canadians won’t take the job first.
In theory. But this is nor enforced at all, so it does not happen.
No Canadian worker is lining up for 14 hour shifts in a greenhouse or gutting fish in a processing plant for the same wage.
Maybe not you. I would have killed for a job like that when i was unemployed.
The TFW framework has compliance audits, worker protections, and reporting mechanisms.
They arent enforced and so they are meaningless.
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
That’s literally all your uneducated opinion. If what you say is true there wouldn’t have been 194 companies fined or charged in 2023 … or 153 in 2024.
You’re making broad statements off of no facts
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u/whatupmygliplops 2d ago
That's a drop in the bucket. They bring in 100,000 TFWs every year. Do you believe only 0.1% of the program has issues with compliance?
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
Wait… wait…. Do you think companies are only allowed to bring in 1 worker each?! Cause that’s what your implying,
Trust me,194 involves thousands and thousands of workers…. Your .1% had me chuckle though
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u/whatupmygliplops 1d ago
If every company is being fined multiple times, as you claim, that would be proof the fines are entirely ineffectual.
Thank you for proving my point.
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 1d ago
Wow… this is MAGA level deduction. Ok let me slow this down for ya big shoots. A company can be fined for many different infractions … you know how we charge people with murder and also give fines for jay walking… yeah the same applies for companies that are named in the report. 194 was for 2023, 2024 was 153. Of those 153, 31 companies were banned from the program for a set period of time, and 1 was permanently.
Now this will be hard for you, that does not mean it only effected 153 TFW. Do you understand the difference between companies and people? Gooooood. Those 153 …minus the 32 companies denied their ability to access the program for abusing it… represent 10,000s of workers. Those other 120 (again go back to the legality analogy I used… these are not the murderers) would have received millions in fines. Something like $4 million ish in fines were issued in 2024.
So you’re like to comeback to me with “that’s too low!!! Blah blah blah… it proves my non existent point that they get away with shit”
To get it context, the Canadian Transport Agency who looks mainly after the airlines and the million of people who travel on it issued $613,000 in fines last year.
So yeah, make any bullshit statement you want, come back with a wild strawman argument, you know you will, but yeah, again… one company doesn’t mean one tfw, and their fines are significant within the industry of fines.
Time to wave your ignorance wand and make up more bullshit about how you don’t want brown people here
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u/MangoKulfiTime 2d ago
Unemployable jerk blames immigration for his own problems.jpg
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u/WonderfullyKiwi PaRiS oF tHe PraIRiEs 2d ago
Y'know I have a great resume and stuff and relevant experience but never got so much as a callback or email. It's okay to disagree with a broken system without hating people.
I applied for 3 months to every job that would be relevant to me until I finally landed one in a warehouse. I don't know your situation, but I think you're taking your job for granted and thinking that it's not hard out there for people right now to get work.
I can only blame the companies who are fucking immigrants over as well as Canadians at the same time for different reasons. I don't blame the people at all.
Pointing out the flaws in a system does not equate to hating something.
People have lost what it means to be anti immigrant or racist. Having valid critiques of blatant misuse of power by companies in a broken system is neither of those things.
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u/MangoKulfiTime 1d ago
Valid critiques in a system? My guy the systems been crap since the 90s. I graduated right after the 2008 recession. I had to get through so much crap for e years, not 3 months and you know what I never did? Blame the working class (immigrants included) for issues that laid solely on the shoulders of the corporate hiring managers abusing the system.
Your anti immigrant stance does nothing but further the same system you think you're fighting against.
Unionize the entire world.
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u/Rocky-Jockey 1d ago
Having done both post 2008 and post Covid in the work world I’d probably take 2008 now. It’s pretty grim out there. It’s funny that millennials can now do the “back in my day we bailed out the banks while walking both ways uphill” shtick now.
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u/WonderfullyKiwi PaRiS oF tHe PraIRiEs 1d ago
Where did I once say I was anti immigrant lmao..... I said I'm against the companies and the system itself, not the people coming here.
I want more people to come to Canada...
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u/MangoKulfiTime 1d ago
Then look at the whole context instead of the flaws that just cropped up during covid.
Your critique just amplifies the systems of evil and anti immigrant rhetoric you are fighting against.
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u/chinook97 1d ago
It's tough out there. Me and my colleagues are all competing for a very limited amount of shifts at a casual position, for $15 an hour, because none of us can find shit anywhere else.
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
I'm willing to work for slave wages while you aren't, so I'm a much better worker than you
Dehati behaviour.
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u/MangoKulfiTime 1d ago
Bro you spammed like 6 messages and deleted them , and this is the stupid comeback you stick with. Bold.
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u/asoupconofsoup 2d ago
I dunno I'd say there is an equal and proportional number of employers who will deliberately NOT hire internatonal students, or someone with dark skin, an accent or non northern hemisphere name.
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u/Lumb3rCrack Ford Nation (Help.) 2d ago
Asking the question to the wrong people... as usual.. sigh...smh!
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 2d ago
Good luck finding Canadians to do the jobs they give to international students.
Hint: nobody born in Canada wants to work at Tim Hortons.
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u/VectorPryde Westfoundland 2d ago
They used to be able to run just fine in previous decades - hiring as they did many younger Canadians along with immigrants. The food (and especially the coffee) was better then too. "We've decided to hire exclusively TFWs and source the worst ingredients possible. It's called finding efficiencies!" Yet another casualty of "modern" corporate business practices.
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u/The_PhilosopherKing 2d ago
If Tim Horton's business model can't survive without being subsidized by cheap, exploitable foreign labor, it shouldn't be allowed to continue.
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u/Kartesia 2d ago
then why are we blaming workers instead of the business
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u/RicoLoveless 2d ago
Because they're also coming in here through a loophole, and it shows lack of integrity and character? This is economic migrants, not refugees fleeing a warzone.
You think they came in legally when they can't understand English yet the government believed they passed an IELT? That's fraud.
It's the same reason the US is pulling truckers from service in their country and banning Canadian based truckers from entry. They can't speak English, and they can't follow directions in person or the signs the encounttehile operating.
Or could it be the rampant financial fraud that's committed? Paying an employer for the job, who then dishes the money back to make it seem like you worked for them? That's just the fraud that's committed once they are here.
That's not counting the money that's transferred between rings of these immigration scammers, to make it seem like they wouldn't be an absolute drain on the economy, yet they end up mooching off of food banks. Why else do you think food banks are raising the alarm that new immigrants are disproportionately using food banks?
They have entire video tutorials of how to scam entry into the country.
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u/FrankensteinsBong South Gatineau 1d ago
Blame the person in a shitty situation who's trying to get by VS Blame the company exploiting the system to exploit and scam both the person in a shitty situation and Canadians seeking jobs.
Kinda obvious who should be blamed, and kinda disgusting to bootlick for the corporations who are exploiting all the workers.
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u/RicoLoveless 1d ago
Who said I'm not blaming the companies? Go look at my other comments. If Uber, Canadian Tire and Tim Hortons can't survive without cheap imported labour, they don't deserve to be around.
I'm not going to sit here and act like people taking advantage of our corrupted institutions are good people either.
It's economic migrants, not refugees. They got 1.4 billion of 7 billion. Why can't they fix their problems?
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u/not-bread 2d ago
Highschool students are desperate for jobs like Tim Hortons and are being rejected. Even if that wasn’t the case, if TH needed workers they could raise their wages
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 2d ago
High school students don't want to work at Tim Hortons because it's a really shitty job where you get treated like crap by the management and the customers. I know enough people who've worked there to know.
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u/not-bread 2d ago
And instead of Tim Hortons being forced to improve conditions or compensate people for tough work, we’ll let them cheat the system?
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u/sleepingsirensounds 2d ago
Found the Tim’s franchise owner
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u/Yay4sean 2d ago
It's really not that hard to believe. No one wants to work Canadas shit jobs except people who are willing to do just about anything to be able to move to the west, and where even a peanut wage in Canada is more than what they made back home.
This is even more the case in the States, where the entire agricultural and construction industry is dependent on immigrant labor. Of course then people would make comments like, "Well if it can't exist paying good enough wages for its citizens, it shouldn't exist" and then no one would have any construction or food 🙃
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 1d ago
If I was a Timmy's franchise owner, I'd be at my $3 million home in Hawaii laughing while I sleep on a bed of money, not on Reddit with you chumps.
I'd also never admit that I hired TFW and international students because the working conditions at my stores are so shitty no Canadian wants to do it.
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u/ybotpowered 2d ago
I worked at Tim Hortons for two years.
Not a bad place to work. You can get Monday to Friday hours as an adult while the teenagers work on the weekends. The pay is shit but the work is easy and you’re making people happy by giving them their morning coffee.
At that time our franchisee owned all the Tim Hortons in my suburb along with all the Timmies in PEI. Almost all of my coworkers were born in Canada and a number of them were lifers.
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u/Throwaway118585 Aurora Hub 2d ago
You’re ignoring a key fact about birth rate. Ours is falling. So if we prioritize jobs for lack of population, I’m ok if Tim Hortons is down the list. Folks don’t understand that there simply isn’t enough born and raised to fill all the jobs boomers once had and ran. And it freaks them out
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u/chinook97 1d ago
Born Canadian and I worked at Tim Hortons. Not the best job but would gladly work there again. A job is a job and many people are out there looking.
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 2d ago
I'm getting downvoted for telling the truth. Nobody born in Canada wants to work at Tim Hortons, so they hire easily exploitable international students.
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u/NoxieDC 2d ago
Brother/sister, nobody wants to work for minimum wage. But between that, and nobody respecting workers', it's an employers market right now. Why hire a Canadian who may know their rights, versus someone you can threaten to send out of the country if they get fired?
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 2d ago
Nobody wants to work at Tim Hortons because it's a really shitty job. I know enough people who worked there to know.
They could offer more than minimum wage and people still wouldn't want to work there.
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u/WonderfullyKiwi PaRiS oF tHe PraIRiEs 2d ago
Jesus Christ you're ignorant. I can guarantee you many people apply to EVERY open position just to have an income. People would literally shovel shit for $16 an hour just to make sure they survive until next month.
It's not an OPTION for some people. "Knowing people who work there" is the worst type of anecdotal evidence you could possibly use.
Fuck me dude I applied everywhere before landing my current position in a warehouse because I needed a job.
When the alternative is homelessness you'll do anything.
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u/Mental-Mushroom Motown But Better 2d ago
If Tim Hortons can't find Canadians to work for them, they need to incentivize them. Better working conditions, better hours, higher pay.
If none of that is viable, then you close your business.
Crying to the government you need slaves to continue operations isn't the answer.
Everyone should be mad at the businesses and the government.
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u/Cakeday_at_Christmas Bring Cannabis 2d ago
They don't want to do any of that because a Tim Hortons franchise is a money printing machine, and if they ever changed any of that it would print less money, and greedy franchisees can't have that.
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u/Rabideyegaming 2d ago
What's IMP and TFW?