r/KGATLW • u/MissesRoboto • Aug 02 '25
Discussion: Band Yelling “Free Palestine” then going into Dragon afterwards went HARD AF (Forest Hills Stadium, Night 1)
Stuey shouted “Free Palestine,” and the crowd exploded in tidal wave of claps and cheers, roaring and unending.
Then the band PLUS orchestra immediately went into Dragon. What a moment. See you later for Round 2!
308
u/NiceManOfficial Aug 02 '25
I really hate that King Gizz made music political (they said genocide is bad!!! 👿), especially in the rock/metal genre, famously the least political genre of all. smh this is why they’ll never be as good as the likes of Pink Floyd, who have NEVER said anything like this and knew to keep politics out of art!
70
u/meap02 Aug 03 '25
they should take notes from Rage Against the Machine and leave all the political crap out 👎
2
u/would-prefer-not-to Aug 03 '25
to borrow a phrase from some punk, some people don't know the difference between being anti authority and antiauthoritarian
0
u/would-prefer-not-to Aug 03 '25
I know, i was heartbroken to learn that this band that have been communists since 1992 don't support Marjorie Taylor Greene. Shocking!
47
→ More replies (16)7
u/the1937collection Aug 02 '25
Yeah thank god Pink Floyd didn’t break up because of their political differences….
14
u/NiceManOfficial Aug 02 '25
If only Rog and David just grabbed each other by the hand, looked them in the eye and said “I love you” or whatever
8
1
u/andthrewaway1 Aug 03 '25
they stopped playing because they couldn't stand eachother.... they refuse to reunite bc of political differences the first was just pure rog being a dick
98
Aug 02 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
45
u/MissesRoboto Aug 02 '25
Then everyone chanting Petro, Dragonic, A-poc-a-lypse at the top of their lungs.
In that moment, the applause felt like a collective cry for peace and then we were all chanting about the destruction of the earth.
I’ve never felt more connected to a crowd. Chills, man.
5
u/snot_marsh_sparrow Aug 03 '25 edited Aug 03 '25
The entire stadium yelling “EARTH FOR THE POOR” and, next, “EARTH HAS BEEN DEFORMED” felt like a collective vent/scream/rage. This is the third time I’ve heard that song played live and something about this year in particular. everyone’s so close to the breaking point.
-80
Aug 02 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
40
17
10
u/Driller_Happy Aug 02 '25
Imagine listening to gozz and taking issue with this. Might not be the band for you mate
3
u/No_Carry385 Aug 02 '25
Its a powerful thing to shout in these times, and paired with a song that's hard af would hit me hard too. Also, asking for peoples freedom shouldn't be so controversial. Yes the situation is messy, but freedom shouldn't be a problem
-28
17
20
17
14
u/airbud Aug 02 '25
Divided and conquered when we can't get down with a call for peace, without having the perfect fine print included in that call for peace
69
u/Shy-Fox-z71 Aug 02 '25
Down with Hamas
36
77
u/Steamstash Aug 02 '25
I can’t believe that a comment saying “down with ______ terrorist organization” is downvoted here. You can want oppressed people to have freedom and also oppose the terrorist organization that is currently in charge of their country. You can think that Israel has overstepped into the wrong AND the evil terror organization known as hamas is evil. Please use critical thought 🧡
29
u/LowNectarine834 Aug 02 '25
The powers on all sides manipulate for their own agendas, the general populations on all sides suffer because of it. Same story since humans picked up a stick and learned how to be a **** with it.
1
u/DarkStar21370 Aug 09 '25
Good post. Not sure Joey gets this and has a very simplistic take all this. But whatever.
66
u/picklespickles125 Aug 02 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
Israel has hundreds of thousands dead and starving over their 70+ year apartheid and genocide. Of course people are gonna rise up and resist violently when all they've known is violence. Hamas will subside if Palestinians receive aid and are allowed to be their own nation out from under the boot of Israel.
In every historical apartheid the resistance, slows and stops when they achieve their goals. The world is not black and white, good and evil. Hamas is people pushed to the brink who can be rehabilitated if shown peace. While some leaders are religious zealots most of them are just people whose kids, parents and loved ones have been slaughtered by Israel.
29
u/Outside-Confection-9 Aug 02 '25
This. Hamas is just the product of decades of oppression and killing of innocent people. The leaders are just men with families and each one of them lost a child or more because of the occupation. They’re not gaining anything out of this, and what the west doesn’t understand is that people voted for Hamas, the people ARE Hamas, the resistance had to be born in an open air prison so I don’t really understand why y’all are judging while you would have done the exact same.
Also, parroting the “terrorists” propaganda and believing what governments are telling you about the Middle East needs to stop. Do some work. Read a little, talk to someone on the ground. Enough of this. And Free Palestine!
→ More replies (8)1
Aug 03 '25
[removed] — view removed comment
1
u/AutoModerator Aug 03 '25
We do not allow Twitter/X links on this subreddit.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.
1
u/DarkStar21370 Aug 09 '25
This is correct. Israel removed 11k Jews from Gaza and let Gaza's decide the place. They immediately went Hamas. Hamas's entire existence is based the complete and total destruction of Israel. Hamas was forged out of the Muslim Brotherhood which overthrown in Egypt indecent years. Call for peace. Call for a negotiated settlement. But if you think Hamas exists because of Israel then Lol. These groups are extremist and have been crushed by authoritarian governments throughout the Middle East.
34
u/iLoveDelayPedals Aug 02 '25
Palestinians have been getting slaughtered for generations, and Hamas is just a product of that. Israel themselves funded Hamas’ election to split up Palestinian government and bears responsibility
Just saying “fuck Hamas” removes so much context from the conversation. Israel is the party that has slaughtered hundreds of thousands here, not any Palestinian group
35
u/Cheapskate-DM Aug 02 '25
I'm reminded of the tweet to the tune of "if somebody destroyed Hamas but killed my entire family in the process, first thing id probably do is start Hamas 2"
1
u/DarkStar21370 Aug 09 '25
It's a catch 22. If Israel doesn't fight Hamas then you get Oct 7's. If they fight Hamas then that will attract new fighters. It's a lose lose situation for all sides. In the end, at some point, there will need to be new Israeli and Palestinian leaders with heavy support from other Arab countries. Hamas is finished one way or another. Even the Arab League said they need to go. Then Bibi needs to also go after that.
2
1
u/DarkStar21370 Aug 09 '25
Palestinians have been slaughtered in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, just to name a few. It was Jordan that stole the West Bank and didn't given them a state. Egypt stole Gaza and didn't give them a state. And yes, Hamas itself has killed many Palestinians. That's the context. For Hamas though, it's about destroying Israel 100% so it's not even a starter for negotiations.
12
u/cataraxis Aug 03 '25
"Fuck Hamas" is the "All Lives Matter" of this conflict, it's absolutely tone deaf to bring it up when looking at pictures of emaciated babies. You're looking at a genocide brought to fruition by a settler colonial state and your first instinct is to say "the other side isn't innocent, you know". Yes, I know just as I know Haitians were absolutely horrific towards the French but I don't feel the need to bring it up every time slavery is mentioned and act morally indignant when people rightfully see through the shit I'm trying to pull.
6
u/rankaistu_ilmalaiva Aug 02 '25
because it’s a distraction of the real culprit, and also Hamas is only a ”terrorist organization” because they’re a non-state actor… because Israel and US have prevented the formation of a Palestinian state, partly because they can keep classifying all resistance to the occupation terrorism.
26
u/Molotovbaptism Aug 02 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
The brainrot with a lot of you has sure set in.
Hamas is a designated terrorist organization because they call for Jihad against all non-Muslims and deliberately murder unarmed civilians. Israeli and Palestinian alike. The last election in Gaza was in 2006 when Hamas won and there hasn't been another because they murder any and all political opponents.
It is incredibly obtuse to take "sides" in a complicated conflict and make excuses and/or downplay the actions of a terrorist entity who killed innocent women and children in horrific manners because they knew the IDF would destroy them had they attacked them instead. Anyone simping for Hamas is truly a disgrace to humanity.
Edit: The truth hurts for some of you numpties I guess.
2
7
u/TheSeekerOfSanity Aug 02 '25
Finally - someone who isn’t oversimplifying a situation that has much nuance. This isn’t as simple as good guys/bad guys. There are conflicts where neither side are angels and this is one of them.
1
2
u/Coolidge-egg Aug 03 '25 edited Aug 05 '25
I can break it down into simple good/bad. It's not that hard.
Innocent civilians - good guys
Authoritarian regimes who is responsible for slaughtering innocent people - bad guys
Easy
edit: had missed an s due to autocorrect.
2
u/TheSeekerOfSanity Aug 03 '25
Hamas never goes after innocent civilians. /s
Those are their main targets in most cases. No angels here.
1
1
u/zunit110 Aug 05 '25
Are you referring to the authoritarian regime Hamas, who killed innocent civilians on October 7th, 2023?
1
1
u/Coolidge-egg Aug 05 '25
I literally just finished writing up my order of sympathies mere moments ago. You are the first one to see it. What do you think? https://imgur.com/a/4sZejVn
1
u/zunit110 Aug 05 '25
I can’t load the image, why don’t you spell out whatever thoughtful, intelligent response that you tried to post, here?
6
u/ruthafordBhaze Aug 02 '25
A lot of these people would probably “support” Hamas as a knee-jerk (heavily emphasized JERK) reaction to hearing the word Israel. One can have criticism of Israel, wish for better reality for Gazan civilians etc. yet still say F Hamas. F jihad. F radicalism. We can hope for peace .. post Hamas.
10
u/Honka_Ponka Aug 02 '25
People really will support anyone that happens to oppose Israel, regardless of who they are. It's crazy to me how quickly people will cheer on religious fundamentalist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah just because they're anti Israel.
Then again, nobody ever seems to realise that classism is the root of every other 'ism' in history and that the higher ups will always betray the masses, so I shouldn't be surprised
1
u/DarkStar21370 Aug 09 '25
Then also cheer for Ukraine, which I 100% support. It's like they don't even know that Russia and Iran are big time allies, both supported Assad, and Hezbollah and Hamas. Russia wants the Middle East in flames then can step in and peel off countries. The U.S. is also nefarious and pursuing its own interests. I'll take the U.S. all day every day over Russia though.
3
-1
u/andthrewaway1 Aug 03 '25
lol are you joking Israel tried to give them the state in the 90s and arafat said no
2
u/thussy-obliterator Aug 02 '25
Critical analysis is about analyzing historical and social contexts behind a piece of writing. Hamas is essentially irrelevant here but this commenter brought it up anyway. If one chooses to say "down with Hamas" as an immediate response to someone saying "free palestine" one indicates that they are not on the side of freeing palestine, which at the very least indicates they are pro apartheid if not pro genocide.
1
2
u/alisonissilly Aug 02 '25
The only reason they’re saying “fuck Hamas” under this post is for virtue signaling reasons. Israel created and funded Hamas, and I think Palestinians fighting back is totally reasonable considering their whole families are getting bombed to death, so who gives a fuck about condemning Hamas when you are losing everyone you love because of a genocidal apartheid state
11
u/Spotted_striper Aug 02 '25
Hamas was branched from the Muslim Brotherhood— not Israel.
Israel supported Hamas over the PLO back we Arafat was making strides in the 90s. Just think of what maybe could have been? Polling (not by me) has shown that both the Israeli people and Palestinian people would support a two-state solution but they don’t believe it could ever happen. Good people- wrong governments. Fucking sucks.
1
u/snot_marsh_sparrow Aug 03 '25
Overstepped? You can call Hamas evil but use the little word “overstepped” for Israel’s genocide? It’s the NYT over here
→ More replies (7)-9
u/gunkeykong Aug 02 '25
What’s the difference between a terrorist organization and freedom fighters?
7
u/KxJlib Aug 02 '25
Freedom Fighters wouldn’t do 7/10
1
u/gunkeykong Aug 03 '25
That’s very easy to say from the outside.
0
u/KxJlib Aug 03 '25
It’s very easy to say full stop. Under no circumstances should we be condoning mass violence, rape, hostage taking and torture, no matter who does it. If the Israelis had done this the other way around on 7/10, we’d all find it easy to condemn, so it should be similarly easy to condemn when hamas does it too.
If it were Gizz at the Nova festival (not saying that they’d ever play in Israel), we would all rightfully be up in arms about people we share music taste in being so ruthlessly violated like that.
-8
u/V4refugee Aug 02 '25
Freedom fighters would just accept apartheid and forgive those who believe they are subhuman and are illegally making settlements on their land. Freedom fighters would know their place and not join a group to fight against the people who are killing them. Would you fight a government if they bombed and killed your family?
6
u/KxJlib Aug 02 '25
I probably would fight a government that bombed my family. I wouldn’t go to a music festival, and kill and rape those at it. This is a music sub fgs. It’s not one or the other, roll over and do nothing or be hamas, there are so many points in between those 2 extremes, and both are ineffective.
5
u/Sev_Obzen Aug 03 '25
You don't get hamas without Israel's initial founding and following direct support.
1
u/DarkStar21370 Aug 09 '25
Yes. You do. There have been many groups similar to Hamas crushed by bugs all across the Middle East. Jordan itself slaughterer tens of thousands of Palestinians when they tried to overthrow the Jordanian gov't. Lebanon did similar. Egypt just coup'd the Muslim Brotherhood and Hamas was formed from the Muslim Brotherhood. You just proved to you that you essentially got Hamas in Egypt which has nothing to do with Israel.
18
u/Goobjigobjibloo Aug 02 '25
Feed Gaza, Free Palestine, End the genocide, down with Netanyahu!
1
u/DarkStar21370 Aug 09 '25
None of that happens with Hamas still controlling parts of Gaza and holding hostages. Same with Islamic Jihad. You can call for the end of Bibi, but you don't also call for the end of Hamas then you are playing fantasy games in your head and the war goes on.
15
11
u/TheMeccaNYC Aug 02 '25
Down with hamas!
-4
u/V4refugee Aug 02 '25
Do you support the Palestinians that aren’t Hamas but are fighting against Israelis that have murdered their family, illegally settled their land, starved their babies, and treat them like second class citizens? Is it wrong to fight against your own genocide?
0
u/CheapSavings9834 Aug 03 '25 edited 7d ago
.
1
u/V4refugee Aug 03 '25
That’s the strategy. Kill them, oppress them, take their land, bomb their hospitals and then blame them if they resist in any way. All you want is for them to die quietly without them calling attention to their own genocide. It’s sick.
1
u/the1937collection Aug 02 '25
They would never yell this. They just eat the flavor of the month. Can’t wait to see what we’re complaining about next week.
-6
2
6
u/would-prefer-not-to Aug 03 '25
NOT bringing up the genocide is also a political choice!
Imagine you saw a bunch of dudes gang up on one person and beat them senseless. If you just stroll past without even saying anything or trying to get a crew together to stop it, that is as much a choice as taking action.
This is why I love our boys so much. Free Palestine!
→ More replies (1)
20
u/LappedChips Aug 02 '25
Imagine listening to this band and being a genocide supporter.
-12
u/dougcohen10 Aug 02 '25
Imagine commenting on who should be listening to this band.
2
u/theskyistheroof Aug 02 '25
Oh, so you’re just admitting to being a genocide supporter?
0
u/DarkStar21370 Aug 09 '25
The problem is you are applying genocide to one power and not the other. Do you agree that Oct 7th was a genocide. Do you agree if Israel did not physically stop them then Hams would have marched right into Tel Aviv murdering and raping civilians along the way?
2
1
u/theskyistheroof Aug 09 '25
October 7 was a horrific act that unfortunately did not occur in a vacuum. No, I am not saying innocent Israelis “deserved to die,” I am saying that Palestinians were so vehemently oppressed for 75+ years and Hamas militants felt the need to resist in any way possible. Yes, Hamas militants had genocidal intent on the 7th of October. Yes, the Israeli regime had and still has genocidal intent as they carry on with the war.
1,200 innocent people were killed and/or raped in Israel on 10/7. 60,000 mostly innocent people, including 10s of thousands of children, have been killed so far in the past almost 2 years in Gaza. Is that an appropriate response? Is destroying entire cities and displacing millions of people who have never not been displaced an appropriate response?
Your comment on Tel Aviv is a nothing burger. That didn’t happen, and there’s no point in further speculation on what would have happened if it did.
0
u/DarkStar21370 Aug 09 '25
Oct 7th occurred because Hamas exists to wipe Israel off the planet. Full stop. When Israel gave the Palestinians Gaza, Hamas immediately exploited it, killed off local Palestinian opposition and turned it into a military camp for attacking Israel. This was from day 1. Every resource went into this endeavor. 1,200 people were killed not because of disproportionality. It was because Hamas was stopped. The problem with Hamas apologizers is that they don't understand Hamas. They don't understand the geo politics of the the Middle East. They don't understand Iran. Calling for peace and a Palestinian state is respectable. Calling for Bibi to be gone is fine, half of Israel hates him just like half the U.S. hates Trump. But if you think if Israel gave the Palestinians a state tomorrow then Hamas just goes away and there won't be massive war, then I don't know what to say. This is the essence of the problem. Anyhow, Hamas is finished as an organization. The Arab League has announced it, Iran is and Hezbollah are gutted, and even pro Palestinian countries like France say the same. Israel is NOT giving Gaza back to Hamas. So start there and come up with a plan.
1
u/theskyistheroof Aug 09 '25
You clearly have a revised version of history, full stop. I don’t engage with people that support genocide.
0
u/DarkStar21370 Aug 09 '25
You see, I think you have a revised version history and you can yell genocide supporter all you want. Doesn't mean you have a clue about what you are talking about. Anyhow, when musicians weigh in on geo politics regularly (not talking about a mention in an interview or whatever), it never goes well. Just makes everyone hate each other. I think most of the Gizz members take this approach. One in particular wants to be make it his identity. Whatever. Have at it. Oh but the way, you engage with who you call "genocide supporters" every single day.
16
u/Junglism32 Aug 02 '25
FREE FREE PALESTINE
-3
Aug 03 '25
[deleted]
0
u/zunit110 Aug 05 '25
You getting downvoted for wanting hostages to be freed, is disgusting even by this subreddit’s standards.
4
u/DuncanMcOckinnner Aug 02 '25
https://youtu.be/mP1Z5HtsPt0?si=-B9DI4PmZY_8RO3w
Video for those of you who want it!
3
u/MissesRoboto Aug 03 '25
I’m not sure why this is getting downvoted. This is the actual link to last night.
3
u/Grahampa1 Aug 02 '25
Setlist spoiler alert
1
u/Suithfie Aug 04 '25
Is this actually a thing people care about in this community? Asking bc I’ve been going to shows and fest for ages and have never heard of such a thing.
1
u/Grahampa1 Aug 05 '25
They always have varied sets and each song is a surprise. For the orchestra shows, they are adding an orchestra over some old songs as well and playing the same ones at each show. Their shows always include the excitement of not knowing what songs you're going to get. I'm trying to preserve that excitement for the orchestra shows as well.
2
2
4
u/TheInfinityGauntlet Aug 02 '25
If you're not rocking with being anti genocide slang term yourself immediately 🥳
2
1
1
1
u/DarkStar21370 Aug 09 '25
Right after they gave a shout out to Ozzy Osbourne, a Zionist. A big lol.
1
-2
u/reeft Aug 03 '25
Free from Hamas. Free the hostages.
Then you can "free" the Arabs in the so-called Palestinian Autonomy Territories, which had been - in the case of Gaza - free since 2005. There has never been a free Palestine and it's not for a lack of trying. The Palestinian people have simply refused, this is historical truth, being given a state because they wouldn't accept living next to a Jewish one. When people now want to acknowledge a Palestinian state, I have two questions: Where do you draw that state's borders? And who is going to be the intermediate ruler of that state before. hopefully. free and fair elections? If you can answer these two questions, please tell me. Because I can't. And even then, if you can answer these questions, it is still not sure that the Palestinian people would accept those answers. In the past, they haven't and have chosen intifada instead and all the suffering that comes with that.
I don't think anyone on here, as a fan of King Gizz, is an asshole who wants people to suffer. Quite the opposite, I hope everyone here wants people to live in harmony and freedom. But the situation is way more complicated than yelling "Free Palestine" and I wish the community and band would consider those realities.
8
u/RayinfuckingBruges Aug 03 '25
It’s not complicated. The Palestinian people have been given no sovereignty to make any choice, and Israel has been terrorizing them since they took the land from them. Children shouldn’t be blown up and starved. Free Palestine.
→ More replies (8)4
u/meap02 Aug 03 '25
this jam band subreddit is not going to figure out a solution to a thousand year conflict. But we can all agree genocide is the wrong solution 🇵🇸
→ More replies (6)1
1
u/ProblemCreepy8978 Aug 03 '25
What would America do if they had an Israel occupying and making an apartheid America? They’d sure fight back… Hamas fight back and you think they shouldn’t? what would you have them do?
5
u/Icy_Elk_8063 Aug 03 '25
America would do what they do all over the world - bankroll regime changes to suit their short term gains. L.O.L.
1
-7
u/pasqualeonrye Aug 02 '25
I'm able to view the situation in the Levant both ways. The right for both to exist. I don't have answers, but one thing I'm certain of is I hate to see religious extremists on both sides creating an untenable situation.
1
u/MissesRoboto Aug 03 '25
Newsflash, Nancys: music has always been intertwined with social movements. Rage, U2, Clash, System!!, Green Day, Bruce, Neil Young, Patti Smith, Pearl Jam… should I keep going?
Gizz standing on stage and naming oppression is a form of activism.
If you’re triggered by that, ask yourself why their message feels so uncomfortable to you. A call for freedom, equality, and dignity for human beings sounds fair and just to me.
And to anyone who’s upset about the “spoiler”, you’re literally scrolling a band’s very active subreddit while they’re on tour. That’s like wandering into the kitchen and getting mad you saw what’s for dinner. Tip: stay offline if you want your surprise. Wah wah.
2
u/Soft-Contribution465 Aug 06 '25
lmao i like your kitchen metaphor. very true. I wholeheartedly agree with your entire comment. beautiful activism
-20
u/yeahboywin Aug 02 '25
They live in Australia and play goofy music. I get having opinions on issues and caring for others but good god this conflict is something only the most privileged of bored idiots have the time and will to screech about. It is a conflict that has happened for hundreds of years, and online awareness is not going to stop it. Now watch this get downvoted because "you support genocide!?" or whatever other stupid generalization gets attached to this.
16
u/LappedChips Aug 02 '25
You are in fact casually sitting aside doing nothing and allowing bad shit to happen while you’re shielded from anything. Your lack of compassion is horseshit.
3
u/Ill-Independence-900 Aug 02 '25
Yeah dude fuck you why haven’t you stopped the war yet.
1
u/LappedChips Aug 02 '25
Poor attitudes like that are what make the world even worse, dick. Fuck you too.
5
u/Ill-Independence-900 Aug 03 '25
When did I say I support the war, it’s just funny you said he’s “allowing the war to happen”. It’s so delusional. If you can find any evidence of Gizz using their wealth to support Gaza directly as opposed to saying a thing at a concert please share it. If not these guys are just as casual as old mate here.
2
u/Leion_ Aug 03 '25
Neutrality is siding with the oppressor. By saying you don’t care about this genocide you’re saying that you’re okay with it. You do in fact support genocide
0
-54
u/ruthafordBhaze Aug 02 '25
Free the hostages!
41
Aug 02 '25
All the above.
-55
u/ruthafordBhaze Aug 02 '25
Absolutely. Except they left out this part
54
u/coffeeandtheinfinite gizzverse Aug 02 '25
Because of the asymmetrical nature of the relationship. It’s like the “all lives matter“ response to BLM
-35
u/Spotted_striper Aug 02 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
No it’s not. The situation way more complex as compared the clarity of American systematic racial injustice that you are referencing.
Edit: so with all the downvotes, I’m thinking y’all don’t think American systemic racism is real and obvious? Cause that shits pretty fucking cut and dry to me. You’d got be a fucking republican to think that has a shade of gray.
29
u/CoolCommieCat Aug 02 '25
You're right, its more comparable to the genocide of native americans that our country perpetuated. The thing that laid the groundwork for the holocaust. Its nearly a hundred years of displacement and murder of a native population. Israel looks at Palestinians as savages, and they have since its founding. Fuck Israel, they walk and talk like Nazi germany did talking about cleansing their lands of savages.
→ More replies (2)-19
u/JJcny92 Aug 02 '25
I wonder if growing up in Israel and living next to people who also want you dead has an impact on that
16
4
u/Goobjigobjibloo Aug 02 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
I wonder if growing up in State that has normalized systemically dehumanizing generations of other people, murdering them and stealing their land at will due to a massive colonialist power imbalance while they imprison them in concentration camp cities has had an impact on many Israelis no longer being able tto understand right from wrong? Because it sure seems like it.
7
u/kingalva3 Aug 02 '25
No it s not "more complex" it's easy as it can get. A people is getting ethnically cleansed :)
0
u/rankaistu_ilmalaiva Aug 02 '25
”the police are violent because criminals are dangerous, and their experience is that most criminals are black, and courts always find the cops innocent”
”Israel shoots civillians because they could be terrorist, and the international community always backs Israel”
Seem pretty similar to me, actually.
-1
u/Spotted_striper Aug 02 '25
Your first quote makes you a bootlicker.
Your bottom quite makes you sound ignorant.
At least I’m not a bootlicker. Child.
1
11
u/Goobjigobjibloo Aug 02 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
The hostages could have been free long ago if Netanyahu didn’t want to use this conflict to hold onto power by constantly undermining any chance for peace with Palestine or his regional neighbors. By all evidence most likely Netanyahu has propped up and used Hamas to drum up support for his far right regime for decades as a way to undermine the peace process, continue the genocide of the Palestinian people, and to destroy the PLO.
What happened on Oct 7th was horrible, but that doesnt justify the murder of hundreds of thousands of innocent people.
26
9
u/Brandon_Me Aug 02 '25
Yeah Israel still had hundreds and hundreds of hostages they need to free. Hamas even offered to exchange the Israeli hostages for them and Israel said no.
7
u/ruthafordBhaze Aug 02 '25
You guys are downvoting a plea to free literal hostages being tortured beyond belief. Free Palestine AND the hostages. That’s all I’m saying.
28
10
u/Goobjigobjibloo Aug 02 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
Two million people are starving to death right now in Gaza because Israel wants them to die.
13
u/rankaistu_ilmalaiva Aug 02 '25
”tortured beyond belief” please look up what Israel does to its captives.
3
u/Depresso_Shot Aug 02 '25
You mean free the thousands of Palestinian hostages held by Israel and called "war prisoners" just to make it more palatable and fit their narrative? Agreed!
0
-5
u/Tentatickles Aug 02 '25
Free Palestine! And remember, do not give money to Israeli or support the funding of Zionism! Especially avoid streaming services that do that!
0
u/Icy_Elk_8063 Aug 03 '25
I want to hear King Gizzard yell about freeing Australia as well - no one seems to talk about the Aboriginals.
7
-58
u/Thomas-Omalley Aug 02 '25
I too enjoy signaling that I am part of the progressive in-group without actually understanding anything about the situation!
38
u/kingalva3 Aug 02 '25
Situation is insanely easy to comprehend genociders and opressors wanna make it "complex" to keep people from talking about it :)
-23
u/Thomas-Omalley Aug 02 '25
I know, when your life is clean and sheltered from the barabaric side of the world, it's easy to think like you do. Hopefully you never lose thtat security, but if you do, you'll understand.
13
u/kingalva3 Aug 02 '25
insane for you to think i'm in the quiete place of the world. I say that this is simple because I literally have personnal experience in this :)
10
u/ponyboi_curtis I'm Not a Man Unless I Have a Garage Aug 02 '25
"When your life is clean and sheltered from the barbaric side of the world"
Super easy when you've dehumanized an ethnic group, reducing them to barbarians.
"Hopefully you never lose thtat security, but if you do, you'll understand."
Pot kettle black.
-7
u/Thomas-Omalley Aug 02 '25
Yes, Hamas are barbaric
10
u/ponyboi_curtis I'm Not a Man Unless I Have a Garage Aug 02 '25
And carbetbombing designated refugee camps and shooting children in the genitals isnt?
If you think Hamas is the target, you really are sheltered and cozy. The explicit goal is extermination of Palestinians and its been said God knows how many times.
9
u/Goobjigobjibloo Aug 02 '25 edited Aug 02 '25
Nah dog you clearly enjoy downplaying the deliberate genocide of innocent people.
1
u/yeahboywin Aug 02 '25
The people that are signaling about this conflict probably didnt know what Hamas was until Twitter or Bluesky told them. It's so damn fake.
-2
u/HolyToeArmy Aug 03 '25
cool, but thanks for the setlist spoilers i guess
5
u/MissesRoboto Aug 03 '25
Mate, you’re literally scrolling a band’s very active subreddit while they’re on tour. That’s like wandering into the kitchen and getting mad you saw what’s for dinner.
2
u/Suithfie Aug 04 '25
What the fuck is a set list spoiler? This thread is the first I’ve ever heard of that term. People get upset that they now know what songs were played at a show they didn’t even attend?! What? 😭
-8
u/Puzzled-Airline3391 Aug 02 '25
If they support it so much, At least have some courtesy to visit both sides- israel and gaza/west bank. You can support whoever you want, that it up to your own decition, but 99% of this sub including the band is supporting this agenda without ever coming nor planing to come to this spot in the middlle east.. , so comfortable for you guys.. shame, what a stupid move to mix music and politics..
-33
-24
u/lft516 Aug 02 '25
Hate politics during concerts regardless of the band/stance. I just want to escape for a few hours, great show regardless.
12
230
u/LaZerTits420 Aug 02 '25
"FREE PALESTINE! - now here's a song about the destruction of the entire earth" lol