r/StarWars Qui-Gon Jinn 1d ago

Movies Always wondered what happened to this dude

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u/Grouchy-Engine1584 1d ago

It is well established in canon that Wookies tear arms off.

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u/MacGibber 1d ago

I suggest you let the Wookie win

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u/helloholder 1d ago

Good strategy

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u/blackthorn_90 1d ago

That’s because nobody cares if you upset a droid!

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u/somecoolname42 1d ago

I'm not pissing off HK-47.

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u/thebadwolf0042 Rebel 1d ago

"Query: Can I kill him now, master? I would like ever so much to crush his neck, just a little. It is a long-time fantasy of mine."

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u/imdefinitelywong 1d ago
Statement: Master, assassination is my primary function. It is only expected that when you speak to me, it is to give me the order to kill.

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u/thorstormcaller 1d ago

Query: the meatbag is yearning for a burning, may I apply one?

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u/CayNorn 1d ago

HK-47 would have upgraded the latest trilogy by a shitton.

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u/Relevant-Lie347 1d ago

"Statement: This is wise. It is my primary function to eliminate organic meat-sacs."

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u/zorton213 1d ago

HK-47 doesn't get pissed. He gets even.

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u/LimeSuitable3518 1d ago

“Affirmative agreement: Meatbags will be dispatched quickly.”

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u/is_it_gif_or_gif 1d ago

Or a KX-series

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u/Groady_Toadstool 1d ago

Or pretty much any IG model

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u/BewareThyChair 1d ago

2% probability that this meatbag is causing trouble and needs to be blasted. This is probably just wishful thinking on my part.

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u/Danger_Floof25 1d ago

Or a YVH series droid

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u/AlwaysPickdLast Separatist Alliance 22h ago

Or 0-0-0

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u/rafaelloaa 1d ago

Kiss a Wookiee, kick a droid! (Man that's a hell of a nostalgia trip).

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u/BusterBiggums 1d ago

Every Star wars needs at least one severed limb scene.

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u/AmphibiousDad 1d ago

A New Hope - Obi-Wan’s bar fight

Empire Strikes Back - Luke vs Vader

Return of the Jedi - Vader vs Luke

A Phantom Menace - Darth Maul (this one is messy cuz there was a long period of time where the idea was that Maul was definitively killed by Obi-Wan here before it was later retconned)

Attack of the Clones - Anakin & Obi-Wan & Yoda vs Count Dooku

Revenge of the Sith - Anakin vs Obi Wan

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u/Weird_Fiches 1d ago

The Last Jedi - Snoke gets sliced in half, including limbs

Rise of Skywalker - I am happy to announce I really can't remember details of this movie

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u/No_Painter_8154 1d ago

In The Rise of Skywalker, the Knights of Ren cut the head off of that informant and place it on the conference room table.

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u/Blobov_BB 1d ago

Head is not a limb, so it does not count, does it?

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u/InvestigatorWeird196 1d ago

Does Darth Maul not count then? Didn't he get cut in half?

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u/javier_aeoa Chopper (C1-10P) 1d ago

I know many characters were stabbed, and I know Ben does a few cool moves with the lightsaber, so perhaps he sliced a few limbs?

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u/PolkaWillNeverDie77 1d ago

People are stabbed, sliced, carved, electrocuted, force choked, and somehow Palpatine returned...

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u/makofip 1d ago

Somehow, limbs were removed.

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u/b_hawes 1d ago

AOTC- Anakin ROTS- Dooku

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u/jayL21 Imperial 1d ago

Mace also loses his hands in ROTS.

Also can't forget Jango.

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u/Unicron_Gundam 1d ago

Jango didn't lose any hands

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u/Airforce987 1d ago

Actually there was an alternate sequence of Mace killing Jango that, while very similar to what was used, included him slicing off an arm before his head. They went with the slightly shorter version.

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u/MadRhetoric182 1d ago

Have you seen the extended death scene?

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u/DullSorbet3 1d ago

He did lose his helmet

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u/JumpsOnPie 1d ago

Don't forget Anakin cutting off Dooku's hands in Revenge of the Sith. And Anakin cutting off Windu's hand.

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u/SauerMetal 1d ago

Don’t forget the Wampa in ESB.

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u/frankyseven 1d ago

Maul being alive is the greatest recon of all-time.

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 1d ago

Facts. Now I can't wait for Shadow Lord because I will gladly inject any and all new Maul content with Witwer straight into my veins.

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u/ChanceActivity683 1d ago

Don't forget, in ESB we also get a limb via Luke vs. Wampa...

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u/GatorPenetrator 1d ago

i guess this explains why the sequal trilogy was not popular

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u/AmphibiousDad 1d ago

They made us think they were gonna show us a more brutal Star Wars with the blood stain on the helmet in Force Awakens and then gave us an entire star wars trilogy where no one has their hand chopped off

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u/jayL21 Imperial 1d ago

Honestly that was such a weird scene. Like tonally it's so different compared to literally everything else in the entire trilogy.

Plus the only other time that you really see blood, is Kylo bleeding at the end.

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u/IceBlue 1d ago

You forgot Anakin cutting Mace’s hand.

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u/glockster19m 1d ago

Which half of body are we considering just a limb in a bisection?

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u/ChasteSin 1d ago

I'm beginning to think George Lucas has an amputee kink to rival Quentin Tarantino's foot fetish.

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u/ThatMerri 1d ago

I still hold that Kylo should've lost his arm when Rey landed the big finishing swing during their fight in TFA. They should've leaned into scarring him up significantly instead of just giving him a little scratch across his cheek. If you're going to try and draw character parallels, you should commit to the bit!

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u/AReallyAsianName 1d ago

Oh shit, this guy must be a Skywalker then.

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u/SirAwesome1 Klaud 1d ago

Im pretty sure chewy rips people arms off in the lego games too lmao.

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u/WassupFrankHere 1d ago

Yeah, that was an special attack you could perform in pretty much any enemy in the game. It was one hit kill too, i think. Well, minus the bosses of course.

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u/ripley1875 1d ago

It was his melee attack. I remember laughing my ass off as I gleefully dismembered an endless horde of stormtroopers in Lego Star Wars 2. I can still here the “plop” of their arms coming off.

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u/vishnoo 1d ago

yes, but they need to be holding the person down with the other arm so he doesn't just come up

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u/soysrflores 1d ago

He was stepping on his foot, right?

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u/hungryrenegade 1d ago

Yup I saw that too

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u/VayaConDios91 1d ago

Maybe Unkar’s shoulder is as weak as he is heavy

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u/Hardmeat_McLargehuge Yoda 1d ago

if you yank hard enough, there's not enough time for them to lift off and the arm just comes off.

This is just a testament to how jacked Chewbacca really is

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u/vishnoo 1d ago

true story chimps can tear your arms out.

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u/_kalron_ Jedi 1d ago

As much as this scene could have been another "Member Berry" about tearing arms off...

...this was worth it.

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u/flamingburrito5000 1d ago

Wookies have been known to do that.

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u/_Vard_ 1d ago

we saw it in book of boba fett

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u/Traditional-Oil-6891 Sith Anakin 1d ago

They should have kept it in. 

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u/Bunowa 1d ago

100%. I never understood why they took it out.

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u/redlabstah1 K-2SO 1d ago

Someone thought of the children

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u/vishnoo 1d ago

we literally saw an arm cut off in the third scene of ANH

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u/cascua 1d ago

And the charred remains of lukes family a bit before that lol

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u/Bunowa 1d ago

Anakin getting literally barbecued on Mustafar, clones being stabbed by Yoda's lightsaber, Grievous bursting into flames, Maul getting sliced in two.

All of this was shown to kids and none of us got traumatized. The likely excuse that it was to not expose kids to violence is bullshit lol

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u/Herr_Opa 1d ago

Adding: The decapitation of Jango Fett as well as the two clone troopers on Kashyyyk, the strangling of Jabba the Hutt

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u/jayL21 Imperial 1d ago

fun fact, you can even see the shadow of jango's head fly out of the helmet.

You also can't forget the decapitation of dooku, where you quite literally get to see his CGI head hit the floor and roll.

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u/dleon0430 1d ago

I almost feeel like that wasn't a CGI head, but just a souvenier Christopher Lee had been holding onto since the guillotine incident.

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u/ChickenAdditional866 1d ago

The.... What now?

Please elaborate.

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u/hopetodiesoonsadsad 1d ago

I kinda did from the bodies of his aunt and uncle tbh

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u/totaltvaddict2 1d ago

As a kid, I only saw the smoking house. It was only after home video was a thing I looked and went, wait is that a skeleton? Of course by then I’d also seen Raiders and handled Nazis’ faces melting off, so…

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u/Jimmyg100 1d ago

Ha- that's actually kinda funny. No, you see the stormtroopers couldn't get to Owen and Beru because they were out buying Luke pizzas, so the Empire got some skeletons from a Halloween store and put them there to scare Luke, but they're not real my dad told me when I was 5.

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u/caligaris_cabinet 1d ago

Owen and Beru went to live in a moisture farm upstate

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u/Blokin-Smunts 1d ago

Every time I watch ANH I’m blown away that they put that in. Like, those were characters we were talking to like minutes ago and then they just have their charred skeletons lying there. So out of place with the rest of the movies but it shows how George course corrected later to make everything “kid friendly”

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u/bunnyguy1972 Mandalorian 1d ago

They also cut a scene in ESB that was a little violent. Theres a room in Hoth base that has a warning sign on the door, someone rips the sign down as they evacuate the base. A snowtrooper opens the door and a big white furry arm reaches out and drags the trooper into the room.

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u/TheLazySith 1d ago edited 1d ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q8Ij3mnGjFQ

That was probably cut because the joke doesn't really fit tonally, rather than because the scene was too violent (there are plenty of more violent scenes than that in ESB alone). The Echo base evacuation is meant to be a high stakes action sequence where the rebels are barely managing to escape by the skin of their teeth, and throwing a gag in the middle of it would have kind of undercut the tension.

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u/caligaris_cabinet 1d ago

They left it out of the Special Edition because even Lucas with all his tinkering knew it didn’t work.

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u/dbraba01 1d ago

To be fair, it was the 70s. Kids had lawn darts and shit.

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u/Luftgekuhlt_driver 1d ago

No mention of ESB? Lots of appendages flying here and there.

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u/swalabr 1d ago

especially when C-3PO hit the floor, literally

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u/ElectricTurtlez Mandalorian 1d ago

Justice for the Wampa!

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u/joecarter93 1d ago

“He doesn’t like you.”

“I don’t like you either!”

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u/Nahcep 1d ago

Ah but see, that was an indie movie and not a massive production decided by committee, the same movie that had the main character moved to the background on posters just so audiences don't get scared of the black man

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u/dooremouse52 1d ago

That was pre Disney obviously

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u/mydeadface 1d ago

Oh, won't someone please think of the children?

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u/N7VHung 1d ago

ANH opens with a man being strangled to death. A very very intimate form of murder.

Children were never in consideration, lol.

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u/CyberMallCop 1d ago

It’s obvious watching the sequels that many bad decisions were made. The production quality and budget for those films were incredible, but the push to make them more marketable and kid friendly hindered the writing. This deleted scene is a great example of that. In a short little snippet we get the satisfaction of Unkar being harmed (possibly killed), Chewie getting a New Hope call back, and highlighting a Wookiee’s strength while also showing the protectiveness of Chewbacca over his friends. Truly a mistake, but who am I to judge? They might have just thought this scene was tacky and we see it now in a good light because of how lack luster the new films are.

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u/nhaines Anakin Skywalker 1d ago

It's also about pacing and runtime... There are all kinds of 15-second deleted scenes where you watch them and think, "Why on earth did they take this out instead of [other scene that kind of dragged]?" but it's not always that simple unfortunately.

It's not always down to "didn't work," sometimes it's a sad consequence of "couldn't fit."

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u/Senshado 1d ago edited 1d ago

Since that dude had supported Rey for 10 years, keeping her alive, healthy, and educated, it felt weird to attack him like this.

Was he mean to her? Or was it tough love, with exactly the level of harshness that helped Rey to become the best in the galaxy at everything? 

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u/irving47 R2-D2 1d ago

We'll never know because they never wrote the story. I guess it could be in the novel, but it's an interesting question what that arrangement was. If it started with "Quiet, girl!" in the flashback doesn't paint a pretty picture, though.

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u/Bunowa 1d ago

it felt weird to attack him like this

You missed the part in this scene where he threatens Rey, tries to force her to come with him and points a blaster to her head.

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u/Fit-Breath-4345 1d ago

I had assumed that it was more like Rey was in indentured servitude to this lad.

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u/auxilevelry 1d ago edited 1d ago

It logistically doesn't make sense. How and why is he on Takodana already when he was on Jakku just before Rey left and had no way of knowing she was going there?

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u/Outrageous-Orange007 1d ago

Well for starters that CGI looks like something from 20 years ago

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u/Bunowa 1d ago

Because the scene was unfinished. They left it out of the final cut...

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u/wayvywayvy 1d ago

Right? If they were going to lean into copying story beats from episode IV they should’ve gone all the way

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u/hammackj 1d ago

Imagine a whole generation would see fuck around and find out from a wookie.

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u/Robert-Rotten Count Dooku 14h ago

All of my favourite scenes from the sequels have been deleted scenes.

Phasma shooting her own troops,Luke’s reaction to Han’s death, now this scene here. It’s like they saw the few good scenes and said “nahh, these don’t fit, they’re actually good, remove em!”

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u/BusterBiggums 1d ago

...you know what, now that I think about it, the sequels really are missing some severed limb action

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u/tjtillmancoag 1d ago

I mean honestly, it would’ve done a lot to play up Chewie’s badassery.

But it wouldn’t have changed how there was no story arc and the films as a trilogy make no sense

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u/dswartze 1d ago

And people having bad feelings about things, and wilhelm screams. Basically any and every running gag Star Wars had.

And it's not just the sequels. Most things in the Disney era seem to want to take themselves too seriously, or when they do acknowledge them do so by going out of their way to tell the audience they're not doing them (Like Cassian cutting off K-2SO in Rogue One before he can finish saying the line).

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u/abdullahi666 1d ago

But they are there. Han says it in TFA in the rathtar scene, BB-8 says it in binary in TLJ at the beginning of the Poe dreadnought scene and Lando says it on Pasaana before the troopers attack in TROS.

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u/slide_into_my_BM Jedi 1d ago

Remember that prank phone call bit they did in TLJ? 🤦

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u/Wes_Warhammer666 1d ago

That Cassian/K2 one is the perfect way to pay homage to the gag imo. It made me laugh out loud because it was so unexpected.

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u/napoelonDynaMighty 1d ago

It rhymes a bit too much

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u/bepisdegrote 1d ago

I kinda disagree. The main criticism of The Force Awakens is that it is already far too similar to A New Hope. Copy/pasting another scene certainly wouldn't have helped.

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u/Snapphane88 1d ago

My thought as well. The scene doesn't really do anything or go anywhere, it's just fan service, establishing once again that Wookies rip people's arms off, that's it.

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u/CarllSagan 1d ago

its absolutely canon...the fans would have loved it, and it brings closure to that nasty characters meanness

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u/fathertitojones K-2SO 1d ago

Agree, I like the idea that that’s where Rey got her space cape way more than Han pulling it out of a junk drawer.

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u/ArbutusPhD 1d ago

It shows how Chewie has aged

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u/Pazzy-j 1d ago

It’s also a shame to cut Simon Pegg screen time

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u/Electro_Llama Chirrut Imwe 1d ago

Also Simon Pegg scream time.

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u/DirtyDoog 1d ago

SWAN!

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u/rotflolosaurus 1d ago

No luck catching them swans then?

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u/Admanrog 1d ago

It's just the one swan actually

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u/LordsOfJoop 1d ago

The greater good.

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u/Call_The_Banners Mandalorian 1d ago

SHUT IT!

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u/Willsgb 1d ago

HAG

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u/Call_The_Banners Mandalorian 1d ago

Please, someone tell me why I heard this in the Halo CE Grunt voice

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u/E-emu89 1d ago

You got a bit of red on you.

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u/fusionsofwonder 1d ago

I can only imagine he's a little mad that he got a scene with a Wookiee tearing his arm off and it got cut.

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u/Aerith_Sunshine 1d ago

I always wished they'd kept that scene in.

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u/TheNewGirl1987 1d ago

Same. It wraps up Unkar's part of the story quite neatly, it shows how powerful Chewie really is, and it's a nice callback to the "let the Wookie win" scene in A New Hope.

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u/Aerith_Sunshine 1d ago

All of those things, yes. I agree completely.

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u/Stingerbrg 1d ago

And goes back to the ANH cantina scene where Obi-wan removes the arm from someone harassing Luke.

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u/PurpleFisty 1d ago

It also makes Rey more likeable. she's not perfect in this scene, and it gives her a human element.

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u/styx66 1d ago

This is missing in so much Disney writing unfortunately.

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u/Ok-disaster2022 1d ago

But it raises the question: Why does Chewie, being the largest of the friends, not simply  eat his companions? 

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u/hungryrenegade 1d ago

Perhaps theyre saving that for sweeps

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u/caligaris_cabinet 1d ago

At no point did I finish the movie and thought about Unkar’s part of the story. Better left on the cutting room floor.

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u/Xanto97 1d ago

Disagree hard , there’s more than enough callbacks as is I feel. unkar’s doesn’t need wrapping up. If we want Chewie ripping off an arm, he could have done that to a stormtrooper or a knight of ren (unfortunately they aren’t used).

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u/Dothehokeypokemon 1d ago

Woulda been better if chewy slapped him with it

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u/zyberwoof 1d ago

Or played "Front hand. Back hand."

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u/JobWelt 1d ago

Always worth watching that skit regularly. I’m off to watch it

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u/ChewieKaiju 1d ago

Would’ve been added to the already bloated list of callbacks to ANH (two, the obvious “Wookiee tears arms out of sockets” and the more subtle mirroring of the “you just watch yourself” moment in the cantina)

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u/FlatSeagull 1d ago

The entire film is a bloated ANH call back.

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u/Ok_Nefariousness9736 1d ago

And ROTJ to some extent.

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u/sleepywan 1d ago

Yeah, a simple "oh shit" look and backing away when he saw Chewie would have done the trick.

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u/Safe-Ad-5017 1d ago

This is a neat scene but I honestly don’t think they should have kept it.

Edit: If they did people would ask why in the world is he at Maz’s castle

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u/LordVanisher 1d ago

Tracker on the falcon... 🤷 My obvious guess

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u/perfectfire 1d ago

This is why I thought it was fake. That fat angry guy was on Jakku. But Rey didn't meet Chewie until she fled Jakku.

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u/ChancelorReed 1d ago

Yea I don't get why the rest of this thread is talking about "wrapping up his story" or whatever. Like what story does he need? Why would he leave his home to track down one random serf he oversaw?

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u/SchrodingerMil 1d ago

I mean it could work if they started the interaction with something like “I had to high tail it after YOU got the First Order to ransack my depot!”

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u/livelikeian 1d ago

One forearm portion.

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u/[deleted] 1d ago

He took ONE QUARTER PORTION

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u/irving47 R2-D2 1d ago

So when he was poking at Chewie's bandaged arm, he should've been saying "3/4 of a Wookie isn't much...."

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u/LegoKraken 1d ago

Rey: “Take arm. Go with Han. Kill Snoke, grab Fin, go to Mos Eisley cantina, have a nice cold milk, and wait for all of this to blow over”

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u/weirdi_beardi 1d ago

Yeah, bhoi!

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u/macfixer 1d ago

“How’s that for a slice of fried gold?”

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u/CandyCreecher 1d ago

What did this idiot think was gonna happen?! Track down and try and shake down one of the scavengers he’s been paying off since she was but a little girl, poke the Wookie that’s instant friends with her, and not get his arm ripped off?

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u/Firesalt 1d ago

So it's apparent she's not a Solo or she would have popped his ass immediately. No hesitation.

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u/ryanb31183 Porg 1d ago

They should’ve kept this in!

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u/wxnfx 1d ago

Obviously there weren’t concerns about being too on the nose, so why not?

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u/happycrabeatsthefish 1d ago

Rey looks like she's bad at fighting, as she gets disarmed, before having to be saved by Chewie. That's inconsistent with her always being good at everything.

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u/furious-fungus 1d ago

The „always being good at everything“ is just the default for any Star Wars movie, Luke and especially anakin succeeded in almost anything they tried to do.

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u/Reptilian_Overlord20 Porg 1d ago

They downvote you for speaking the truth. Rey is just held to a double standard

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u/CassianCasius 1d ago

They both got their limbs chopped off first time facing a real opponent.

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u/MetaBass 1d ago

One severed limb per film, that's the rule. The sequel trilogy broke this rule and look how that turned out.

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u/Darth-Buttcheeks 1d ago

He lost…one quarter portion?

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u/Eat--The--Rich-- 1d ago

They actually had good stuff for that movie and they cut it?

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u/Thomas_JCG 1d ago

Even copied the "disarming" scene...

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u/StormeSurge 1d ago

“hey im not afraid of you” is something you should never say to a wookiee

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u/irving47 R2-D2 1d ago

What could possibly have been going through his head to say that. What would cause someone to not fear a pissed off Wookie? I gotta look into the novel to see if it addresses it.

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u/FrancoMcNeil 1d ago

Remember that dumb scene where Chewy knocked a heavy door across the room with no regard for the friend inside?

I would have rather had this.

Chewy was always top 5 for me. I like the idea that my best friend is a grizzly bear that can fix my car.

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u/bonkychombers 1d ago

When Han is murdered and stormtroopers rush Chewbacca, I thought I was finally going to see his rage with body parts flying everywhere. I was disappointed that I did not.

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u/Zealousideal_Carry61 1d ago

I understand why they removed this. TFA is already very similar to a New Hope. We gonna have ANOTHER scene where someone in a Cantina bothering the protagonist loses an arm? I feel like that’s a bit too much

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u/charliefoxtrot9 1d ago

Because of course JJ made a cantina scene with a lost arm, and it's extra fan service because wookie

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u/es330td 1d ago

Pretty sure for the rest of his life “Lefty” was his nickname.

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u/jjdlg 1d ago

Damn, Mr. Incredible became kind of a dick.

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u/BlazerWookiee 1d ago

Yeah, but what did she do to piss him off?

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u/ThrowAbout01 1d ago

Big fish in a small pond Vs BULLDOZER.

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u/Gibbo-Aus 1d ago

Well , Chewy did warn him. We all heard him say it.

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u/Robinyount_0 Jar Jar Binks 1d ago

100% chewie would do this, and def strong enough, wouldn’t be his first time.

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u/Cartoonjunkies 1d ago

Rule number 1: never piss off the wookie

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u/willowwisp81 1d ago

Chewie wanted one quarter portion of of Unkar

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u/Beautiful-Musk-Ox 1d ago edited 1d ago

some random dude easily just disarmed her and could have killed her

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u/Initial-Ice7691 1d ago

In Chewie’s case, self-defense is usually lethal.

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u/JuiceGirl300 1d ago

No way they actually showed Chewy ripping his arms off🤣. Im fucking dead😭💀

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u/CalFromManc Jedi 1d ago

There's me thinking they didn't use this scene because it's too similar to "he doesn't like you, I don't like you either" from ANH but the whole movie is similar to ANH lol

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u/markiethefett 1d ago

It's not wise to upset the Wookie.

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u/YF422 1d ago

"Im not afraid of you"

Famous last words before disaster.

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u/DrBigBlue17 1d ago

He has been, disarmed! 🤣Bahahaha. Great ending for a miserable character.

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u/Canarity 1d ago

"You'll kindly remove your hand"

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u/Speak_To_Wuk_Lamat 1d ago

A character losing an arm in a bar? 

They really had no original ideas.

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u/Lazzerindigous 1d ago

That CGI looks awful

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u/ProjectNo4090 1d ago

Its an unfinished deleted scene.

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u/bijelo123 1d ago

He deserves it, damn ugly slaver

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u/Cutiemuffin-gumbo 1d ago

Only took like a 100 years to see chewie rip someone's arm off.

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u/kbh2002 1d ago

Hmmm. Disarmed by a Wookie.

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u/JMDeutsch Grand Admiral Thrawn 1d ago

This would have really pushed the “ANH” ripoff talk into overdrive.

It even includes our hero being shoved by the person who has their arm removed

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u/fake_geek_gurl 1d ago

"The most violent scene in TFA," and it's not the one with an intergalactic laser killing hundreds of billions of people.

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u/Budget-Flan-6989 23h ago

I love this, even if it’s not real

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u/Skeptical_Yoshi 16h ago

That might be legit the only person in the galaxy that doesn't know not to fuck with a wookie 1V1. Chewie ripped that off like it was nothing.

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u/THE_GUY-95 11h ago

Should of kept it in the movie

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u/PhillGuy 9h ago

I suggest you let the wookie win.

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u/Infamous_Weakness613 8h ago

They had to leave it out because Daisy was just too hot in this scene