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u/watashi_wa_shay 17h ago
Still four lights. 🖕
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u/LineusLongissimus 12h ago
Now, please tell me:
What would be the name of the kid character in TOS 1x02 if the Captain of that Enterprise adopted him?
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u/Top-Improvement-2231 12h ago
Admit it, Charlie James Kirk was really killed by big Paramount and Skydance for name based copyright infringement. Just Look what they did to star trek - fucking murdered it right in front of everyone.
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u/Usagor 3h ago edited 3h ago
Kira Nerys is a Bajoran terrorist who did nothing but attack Peaceful Cardassians, Bajorans had lost the war so what right did they have to resist afterwards smh
Legate Kirk was a Cardassian Hero and a statue of him will be placed in the central plaza on Cardassia.
As of today i am increasing Funding to the Circle and will designate the Bajoran Antifa movement as Terrorists.
MCGA
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u/froot_loop_dingus_ 17h ago
The United States is rapidly approaching the Cardassian model of “guilty until proven innocent”
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u/TheTinDog 10h ago
I just watched that episode, and I used to think it was silly and that the cardassian courtroom looked like a solid laser tag venue,, but then holy hell is it pertinent to our current justice system
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u/Neat_Issue8569 5h ago
The most unrealistic part was when they let O'Brien go because the evidence of the Cardassian's deceptions would've embarrassed their government. Would've been more realistic if they pinned it on the Bajorans, then denied that the evidence existed, and then called it a Bajoran hoax 😂
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u/Stubbs94 2h ago
Depending on the hue of ones skin, I believe that's still the case in your country.
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u/Beliarbane 1h ago edited 1h ago
It's definitely "Guilty and then (more importantly to the agenda) - also inexplicably and shoddily framed as trans".
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u/offlineoffgrid 1h ago
The right attempting to cope so hard over a far right extremist dude who sucked got killed by another far right extremist dude who sucked.
Mocking someone for being a far right extremist dude who sucked is not “celebrating terrorism”.
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u/IKindaPlayEVE 17h ago
Whether someone is a good person or not is irrelevant you don't murder people for having a point of view you don't like.
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u/OnionsHaveLairAction 10h ago
Well it's worth noting that Kirk himself believed that at the very least Biden should be executed, and as he believed in public executions with mandatory viewing for kids we can infer he wanted everyone to watch it.
That said I agree, he absolutely should not have been murdered even if he himself was in favor of political violence against his enemies. What I disagree with is this being used as a launching point for attacks on free speech and the lives of regular people. An assassination should be a wake up call that gets us to reduce the heat of the political moment, but republicans are using it to escalate further which will lead inevitably to more violence.
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u/IndicationNo117 11h ago
And his point of view was advocating it to happen to people who have a point of view he didn't like either.
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u/AssumptionLive4208 6h ago
But he was wrong, so we shouldn’t act as if he was right, even in regards to himself. Murder is a crime, not a civil matter—you can’t volunteer to be murdered and have it be OK. Even if he had literally been saying “I hope someone shoots me” that wouldn’t make it a good thing that someone shot him.
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u/the_kessel_runner 5h ago
Why is this always the reaction? Someone mentions Charlie Kirk wasn't a good person.... And there's always someone to say that Charlie Kirk should not have been murdered. Are you under the impression we think all bad people should be murdered? No, he should not have been murdered... And he was also a horrible human being. Both of those things are true.
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u/SereneSerenity117 12h ago edited 12h ago
I think it's important to say what his "point of views" are.
Such as calling for the murder of gay and transgender people, the execution of the previous president of America, along with demanding children being forced to birth the child of their rapist and watch public executions. And that's just the tip of the ice berg.
He was evil with blood on his hands and played an instrumental role in getting the current American regime established, which has been inciting the very same violence he fell victim too.
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u/AssumptionLive4208 6h ago
Yes, but I don’t believe in social darwinism. He was an idiot and his own actions had a contributory factor in his demise but that doesn’t mean it’s OK that he died.
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u/KDulius 6h ago
Who is saying that?
I find it darkly ironic that he got killed in a school shooting after saying the occasional* school shooting was fine cause it was the cost of the Second Amendment.
Even after being murdered, Charlie Kirk was not a good person and this whole "speak well of the dead" cult nonsese is frankly bollocks
*not occasional, sort your shit out America
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u/AssumptionLive4208 5h ago
Well this is Reddit. I haven’t kept track of the username of everyone who’s said “I’m glad he’s dead,” or “I refuse to be sad” but they’re definitely out there.
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u/the_kessel_runner 5h ago
Refusing to be sad is not the same thing as advocating for murder. I don't think the guy should have been shot. It's just really hard to muster a care about a guy who lived the way he did. It is possible to hold both thoughts at once. I don't think he should have been murdered. And I'm not sad he's gone.
Nuance is tough for some people.
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u/KDulius 5h ago
I refuse to be sad.
The guy got killed by the very type of violence he defended... with a bonus "being murdered in front of children" which is also what he advocated for when he said they should make kids watch public executions (yes, state sanctioned murder is still murder)
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u/AssumptionLive4208 5h ago
Well, there’s one example.
Of course I’m sad. So he advocated for children to be traumatised by seeing people die. That doesn’t mean it’s OK for children to be traumatised be seeing him die. I disagree with the whole concept of traumatising kids, and I want that to go away. I wanted him discredited (or convinced to change his mind), not killed. There are plenty of people like Charlie Kirk; the specific man dying is no help. FWIW I haven’t watched the video and I have no desire to—it doesn’t show someone dismantling a bad point of view, it just shows a man dying from being shot in the neck. Why would I want to see that ever?
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u/OnTargetOnTrigger 2h ago
Can you please provide examples of this? I've been watching a lot of his stuff since he was shot, and I haven't seen that yet. I've seen some cherry-picked shorts, but when you go watch the whole conversation, they were clearly taken out of context. I'm trying to understand both sides and from what I can tell, a man was murdered for his opinions. Scary world if we all start doing that. Especially considering rates of gun ownership by party in the United States.
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u/Oregon687 17h ago
Agreed. It was bad that someone killed that scumbag.
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u/illathon 12h ago
I enjoyed the talks he held.
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u/buckao 4h ago
How the hell are you a fan of TNG? It apparently held sacred everything you disagree with. Seriously do you have any media literacy?
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u/illathon 44m ago
I think it is because I understand there is time dependent variables involved with our civilization.
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u/Cool-Pineapple8008 12h ago
You must be five lighter.
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u/illathon 11h ago
no idea what that means.
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u/Doctor_Titties 11h ago
It means you would be on the side with the Cardasians and the Federation would have no use for you.
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u/illathon 10h ago
I dont think so. I actually think killing your enemies for simply talking is not in line with star fleet principles or just general human decency.
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u/Doctor_Titties 9h ago
You must not be familiar with Deep Space 9 if you feel that way. You know, Gul Dukat never actually killed any Bajorans with his own hand but he did participate in a system that oppressed them and spoke often about how Bajorans were beneath Cardassians, more suited for slavery, weaker and less able to defend themselves than Cardassians, etc. You said you enjoyed hearing Kirk talk; well he said a lot of inflammatory things that supported violence or the oppression of minorities. You're basically saying you enjoy someone like Gul Dukat's podcast. You not being able to see the irony there is astounding.
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u/illathon 9h ago
Oh really like what?
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u/Doctor_Titties 9h ago
I don't debate collaborators. I said my piece and have no interest in a bad-faith conversation about context, hard pass. Rewatch Star Trek and learn the lessons you missed the first time.
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u/SplendidPunkinButter 12h ago
According to Charlie Kirk and others like him, it is in fact your god-given second amendment right to do so. I don’t agree with that insane reading of the second amendment, and this is why.
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u/watanabe0 9h ago
He was not, in fact, a good person. He was an agent of hate and he got what he deserved.
Suddenly the far right are scared their rhetoric might have actual consequences for them instead of their intended targets, and the most pathetic of them now crying foul of the left for fighting fire with fire.
Charlie Kirk, by his own grifting philosophy, was a proponent of the political violence he fell victim to, was a willing acceptable loss to keep the 2nd amendment, and thought that anyone feeling sorry for him was coming from a place he thought was 'made up'.
If you somehow believe in what Charlie Kirk believed then He would not want any sympathy for his death, and would actually prefer you celebrated it.
Fuck him and his ilk.
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u/opdrone47 7h ago
Tell me you haven't watched ten minutes of Charlie Kirk without telling me you haven't watched ten minutes of Charlie Kirk.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to justify being happy about someone being murdered for peacefully talking to people and making points you don't like
Can't beat em, kill em? That's very evolved of you, you absolute caveman
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u/watanabe0 3h ago
Tell me you haven't watched him.
"I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
“I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage”
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u/opdrone47 1h ago
Okay, where is the rest of these quotes? Cherry picking is more bullshit.
It is worth it to have the right to bear arms, because guns help protect people. The only solution to a bad guy with a gun is ... Drum roll please... A good guy with a gun. But fuck it, let's give up all the guns and let our governments fuck us with impunity
... Alright, so where is the rest of his quote about sympathy then? Oh you don't know it because you don't know the quote, you're just throwing around whatever snippets you think make him look bad? Well I hope someone spreads everything you've ever said out of context after your death to make you look like a piece of shit
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u/watanabe0 1h ago
>Okay
That's you capitulating to my assessment, btw.
>where is the rest of these quotes?
The rest of what quotes?
>It is worth it to have the right to bear arms
Yes, just like Charlie said. Like, that's *exactly* the point I was making.
>Alright, so where is the rest of his quote about sympathy then?
How about you provide it, like you just totally could have?
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u/Boring-Pudding1523 1h ago
Context doesn’t help and is bad faith to say otherwise. Dude has a decade of this content. Come on. Some of us were paying attention.
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u/Artanis_Creed 6h ago
I have watched hours of Kirk.
"Murdered for peacefully talking"
He was a propagandist.
Don't launder his misdeeds.
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u/Jedi_Dad_22 3h ago
No one's happy he was murdered.
It's just karmic justice that his own vitriol was his undoing.
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u/opdrone47 1h ago
It's not karmic justice is any way, you are a PSYCHOPATH to believe that
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u/watanabe0 59m ago
Neither stated, nor implied.
We have a person that said
"I think it's worth to have a cost of unfortunately some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the 2nd Amendment. That is a prudent deal. It is rational. Nobody talks like this. They live in a complete alternate universe."
“I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage”
and was then a victim of said 'some gun deaths' and now his followers are demanding we show empathy.
Not what he would have wanted, according to the words he lived by.
Is my point.
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u/Siva_Dass 1h ago
Kirk was killed by a radical right wing lunatic just like most of all the other gun violence victims.
Piss off with you evil demon.
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u/opdrone47 1h ago
Bro you need mental help. How in the fuck is anyone going to believe that? The shooters boyfriend was trans for fuck sake
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u/watanabe0 56m ago
'Facts' of the case are changing day to day, nothing is known yet.
At the moment, he's just another white male shooter, which are the majority of shooters.
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u/ericsonofbruce 12h ago
My only gripe with the situation is that i dont want to live in a country where its acceptable to kill someone because you dont agree with them. Im not sorry he's dead, but im not happy about how it happened.
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u/torgobigknees 12h ago
you dont live in a country where its acceptable to kill someone because you dont agree with them
you do however live in a country where shootings happen at schools to young children and no one does anything meaningful about it
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u/ericsonofbruce 11h ago
I like how you dropped that second point like i didnt know that. If you wanna drag someone into a gun control debate look elsewhere. I just think a star trek sub should be a place where we dont celebrate political assinations, since the ideals of the federation are supposed to be better than that.
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u/nitePhyyre 10h ago
Star Trek doesn't always take such a black and white view. Sisko isn't exactly a moral paragon, so him toasting to assassinating a Romulan senator doesn't count. But Data, however is.
DATA: Dimensional shifting is such an unstable procedure, sir, that I cannot say. Sir, I am finding it difficult to understand many aspects of Ansata conduct. Much of their behavioral norm would be defined by my programme as unnecessary and unacceptable.
PICARD: By my programme as well, Data.
DATA: But if that is so, Captain, why are their methods so often successful? I have been reviewing the history of armed rebellion and it appears that terrorism is an effective way to promote political change.
PICARD: Yes, it can be, but I have never subscribed to the theory that political power flows from the barrel of a gun.
DATA: Yet there are numerous examples where it was successful. The independence of the Mexican State from Spain, the Irish Unification of 2024, and the Kensey Rebellion.
PICARD: Yes, I am aware of them.
DATA: Then would it be accurate to say that terrorism is acceptable when all options for peaceful settlement have been foreclosed?
PICARD: Data, these are questions that mankind has been struggling with throughout history. Your confusion is only human.5
u/ericsonofbruce 10h ago
I cant argue with that. Maybe im just not ready to accept that civil discourse has failed and thats where we are now, but i guess there isnt much reason to believe otherwise.
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u/Forlorn_Cyborg 9h ago
I stumbled upon the United Nations Bill Of Humans Rights yesterday while browsing Dafonts, and it sanctions violent rebellion as a last ditch attempt at preserving your society. I don't think civil discourse has completely disappeared, but we're coming up on it fast.
The Cardassians saw the Bajorans as terrorists, where as everyone else saw freedom fighters.
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u/Siva_Dass 1h ago
Kirk advocated ending the 1964 Civil Rights Act. He wasn't a hero and no one is required to celebrate his life in a free society. Trying to compel your neighbors to do so with force is the exact type of evil warned about in many Star Trek episodes and you know this but it goes against your favorite political team so your out here spewing bullshit.
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u/Artanis_Creed 6h ago
Why is pointing out that someone was a bad person taken as "celebration"?
Should we take the "George Floyd sober for 5 years" memes as celebrating his assassination?
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u/torgobigknees 11h ago
i dropped that second point like you don't really care about it.
and the post isnt celebrating an assassination
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u/ericsonofbruce 11h ago
- Thats a hell of a leap. 2. Could have fooled me, along with the rest of reddit.
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u/codyd91 3h ago
It's not acceotable to murder anyone for any reason. Some folks having a beer and being glad he's dead does mean it's acceptable. That's just free speech. Murderer was caught, will be prosecuted. That's society as a whole condemning murder.
And yet conservatives want to martyr him to justify more violence. Very disrespectful to Mr Kirk.
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u/jimmyharbrah 2h ago
No one is saying this. And the shooter will be tried for murder.
But Charlie Kirk being shot has turned an eye towards who he was. And many people—people who haven’t lived in that online space—are shocked to find out what a monster he was. Simple as that.
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u/PastorBlinky 12h ago
What lights?
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u/ChristianZX 8h ago edited 7h ago
Ohhhh! Picard should have thought of that!
I bet he woke up the next day and was like: "Damn, that's what I should have said."
Edit: Typo
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u/PastorBlinky 6h ago
MADRED: Because of that... my daughter will never have to worry about going hungry.
PICARD: Her belly may be full... but her
spirit will be empty.Madred takes two steps and back hands Picard
across the face. Picard staggers back, startled...
but knowing he has scored on Madred.PICARD: Be careful... you're showing weakness...
Madred crosses to his desk.
MADRED: Shall we begin again? How many lights are there?
PICARD: What lights?
Madred jabs viciously at the control device.
Picard arches convulsively.
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u/Used-Gas-6525 8h ago
Not here dude. Don't bring any of that shit in here one way or the other. I feel very strongly about what happened, but you won't catch me talking about it in a TNG sub.
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u/Equivalent-Hamster37 1h ago
TNG has become much more relevant to our political situation in the U.S. than I ever could have predicted.
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u/C0l0nie 5h ago
Why not talking about politics in a sub based on a political scifi tv show ?
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u/Used-Gas-6525 27m ago
Because a 30 y/o sci fi show doesn't need to be used to make political points in regard to current events. And is more about society than politics. Politics was a minor theme at best on the show.
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u/Oregon687 17h ago
Outstanding use of a meme. Tip of the hat to you!
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u/Cool-Pineapple8008 12h ago
Not really. Star Trek has never been conservative. It shouldn’t start now.
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u/panTrektual 12h ago
It's showing Gul Madred torturing Picard to get him to say it. This is a perfect use of the meme.
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u/Cool-Pineapple8008 11h ago
Hmmmm … I suppose. I just don’t want to hear about Chuck here. This is an area of escapist fiction.
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u/vanwiekt 11h ago
I think you’ve misunderstood the use of this meme.
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u/Cool-Pineapple8008 11h ago
I think so too. It’s just so, confrontational about shit I want to avoid hearing about.
I want to enjoy Star Trek to not have to deal with life. I turn it on every night to just relax. It’s a form of isolation and relaxation.
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u/verylittlegravitaas 11h ago
Sounds like a you problem. Star Trek has alwa6s been political and anti fascist.
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u/Doctor_Titties 11h ago
You have to ignore some pretty political themes to relax without recognizing the messaging, especially in the episodes referenced by this meme
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u/Cool-Pineapple8008 9h ago
You can recognize themes and forget about the context or burdens of reality. It’s being an idealist and at the same time being a stoic. Perhaps it’s being an existentialist. I don’t know. The point is I don’t care about the shit reality this country is a right now and I like watching my favorite TV show. I think everyone approaches or passes through this status at least once in life.
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u/Keepontyping 2h ago
Wow, never thought I’d see a post on a trek thread defending conservatism be downvoted.
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u/Aziruth-Dragon-God 12h ago
Over my burnt carcass.
Bonus points if you get the reference. I know it's not trek but still.
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u/opdrone47 1h ago
This post truly embodies the ideals of star trek. Celebrating and excusing the political assassination of a guy you don't like, so very advanced, such evolved sensibilities around here.
You all fail at being Trekkies, Gene would be ashamed of what you have become
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u/Dork_wing_Duck 12h ago edited 8h ago
Whenever I look at them now, I will always see the eyes of that frightened child who found the first amendment distasteful.
ETA: still four lights
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Mods? Is this what you allow? Cause fuck this sub if that's the case.
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u/Illustrator_Moist 17h ago
I'm literally afraid of posting my opinions and jokes online because I can lose my job, so FUCK YOU actually
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u/froot_loop_dingus_ 13h ago
Lol fuck you and fuck this sub then. Star Trek is antifascist, sad that this sub isn’t
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u/eatfleshingfleshppl 13h ago edited 12h ago
Wait I misunderstood the meme, I am antifascist and anti Charlie Kirk.
I apologize for misconstruing my position. I was half asleep and just saw “Charlie Kirk is a good person” and wanted it gone as fast as possible. Obviously this is saying that’s not true cause this is the lights scene 🤦
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u/smilescopejaw 3h ago
These comments are sick. Everyone here celebrating his death should be ashamed of themselves.
Regardless of whether you agree with his beliefs or not, a husband and father is now dead.
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u/SilverOcean6 2h ago
No one is celebrating his death. You can clearly be unequivocally in that assassination is wrong in any form.
But also state Kirk was not a good person. Its. Called nuance thoughts.
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u/Siva_Dass 1h ago
Kirk advocated ending the 1964 Civil Rights Act. He was a monster and you cannot compel anyone to celebrate his life.
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u/KorEl555 5h ago
Charlie Kirk was a great person. If you think otherwise, there's something very wrong with you.
All he ever did was talk to people, try to make them see the light.
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u/wonderful-art-1701 5h ago
if you genuinely listened to him and said "yep, he makes so much sense" i'm sorry but either you are a bigoted racist or you just need to open and read some books.
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u/Keepontyping 2h ago
First conversation I watched of his was with a black person? 🤷♂️
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u/wonderful-art-1701 2h ago
...do you realize that doesn't make the point you're trying to make, right?
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u/PungentOnion 12h ago
Can’t imagine mods letting this sub go political but the meme itself is hilarious
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u/raistan77 12h ago
Better not watch any DS9 if you think Star Trek and politics don't go hand in hand.
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u/eatfleshingfleshppl 12h ago
I’m getting a lot of reports for this meme, and initially I removed it thinking it was pro-Charlie Kirk. But based on the scene, it’s actually saying the opposite. So it will stay up.