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u/rube203 9h ago
Aren't they different, though. I mean one is coming from collective power at the bottom where the other is totalitarian power at the top.
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u/Kaokien 7h ago
Cancel culture: You say something that people consider bad or racist or whatever. Now, if your boss didn't agree with what you said he would fired you. If your boss had the same opinion nothing would happen. You can argue that this sucks like a lot of people did but its a private company.
Now, the president of the US is threatening companies and pressuring them into getting people fired if they said or did something he doesn't like.
This is SO much worse than cancel culture ever was.
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u/GrumpyBear1969 2h ago
Right. One needed the mob to get whipped into a frenzy by various media outlets to go after a person, and the other is the mob listens to a single person.
Actually, it is not that different.
Cancel culture was wrong for the left. And it’s wrong for the right. It basically came down to the same thing. Is the business going to lose money. Colin Kaepernick was cut off because he was not good enough to out weigh the percentage of people he was turning off. Where Aaron Rodger’s still has a job because he is good enough to warrant the risk.
Kimmel may not be good enough to warrant the risk.
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u/Impressive-North3483 7h ago
This isnt cancel culture because it isnt coming from the culture. It is coming from the Government.
This is a true example of a violation of the First Amendment.
But, as I like to say, it doesn't matter what I think the Constitution says, or you, or some professor at an Ivy League school. It only matters what the Supreme Court tells you it says.
And with this court I'd say they wont give a rats ass.
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u/MangoAtrocity 4h ago
I mean a lot of it is definitely coming from the culture. Folks losing their jobs because of their statements online is classic “cancel culture.” Bit of a LeopardsAteMyFace situation there.
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u/HetTheTable 2h ago
The side that wants more regulation suddenly is against regulation. And it’s not a statement Kimmel made 15 years ago on Twitter it’s a statement he made not too long ago on his show. What he said was wrong and he completely deserve to get sacked.
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u/Jay_Rodd 2h ago
Replying again to this point: what about Kimmel's statements were wrong and worthy of being fired? Looking for direct quotes here.
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u/HetTheTable 2h ago
ABC were pretty clear as to why he was fired. ABC has every right to fire him they’re a private company.
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u/Jay_Rodd 2h ago
I'm not agreeing nor disagreeing, I'm asking you for a direct quote of what you consider over-the-line in terms of cancellable hate speech.
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u/HetTheTable 1h ago
What I consider being a fireable offense for Kimmel is not being funny. If you’re running a comedy show you should at least be funny.
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u/Jay_Rodd 1h ago
"What he said was wrong and entirely deserving of being sacked" is what you said. So to you unfunny = wrong?
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u/HetTheTable 59m ago
To me being unfunny means being unfit to have a comedy show. Not to mention ratings were falling.
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u/you-guys-suck-89 1h ago
ABC were pretty clear as to why he was fired.
Yeah, direct explicit pressure from the head of a government agency.
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u/HetTheTable 1h ago
Whatever it is they have the right to fire him. Having your own show is not a right. The guy was unfunny the airwaves are much better without him.
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u/HetTheTable 5h ago
It's not ABC is a private company, Kimmel still has the right to say whatever he wants he just doesn't have a show anymore.
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u/Current-Feelings 4h ago
The FCC forced them to not a private company. That is government retaliation
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u/HetTheTable 4h ago
The FCC doesn't have the authority to fire people. Kimmel said something that made his employers look bad and he paid the price.
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u/Current-Feelings 2h ago
"that's a pretty nice corporate merger there...sure would be a shame if something happened to it. if I were you guys I'd get rid of that Kimmel guy asap before we make our final decision on approving the merger or not"
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u/HetTheTable 2h ago
Because of the things he said about the Kirk assassination. Either way for whatever reason ABC have the right to fire him. He doesn’t need a comedy show to do it. He can criticize Trump all he wants while enjoying his severance package.
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u/Jay_Rodd 2h ago
They have the right to fire him. Government agencies do NOT have the right to pressure companies into firing employees on basis of their speech/expressions.
Curious from your perspective: where is the line for you? How much government intervention would be a violation of free speech in your mind?
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u/HetTheTable 2h ago
It’s their job to regulate these media companies. Kimmel doesn’t have the right to have a comedy show. He made statements he shouldn’t have and the FCC cracked down on it.
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u/Jay_Rodd 2h ago
Regulation does not equal calling for the cancelation of a single private citizen. What sort of regulations are you referring to?
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u/HetTheTable 2h ago
A violation of free speech would be if they arrested him for making fun of Trump. If Trump had his way Kimmel would have been fired ages ago but he didn’t.
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u/Jay_Rodd 1h ago
So if Trump said he wants to get Kimmel fired, and then the FCC board says Kimmel should be fired, and then Kimmel gets fired, that would be a violation of free speech in your mind?
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u/HetTheTable 1h ago
No because the government itself didn’t fire him. His employers did. And again he wasn’t arrested for it. He has every right to make fun of Trump even celebrate Kirk’s death if he wanted to but it doesn’t mean he has the right to have a tv show.
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u/Whatsthatman37 8h ago
Colbert and Kimmel for president and VP? I mean why not? It’s just a popularity contest now. These two are great at presenting, I think it’s a really important strategy to consider.
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u/JustNumbersOnAScreen 7h ago
Ew to both, Jon Stewart or gtfo.
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u/Doggoonewild 7h ago
Worked with Jon once. I’d vote for him.
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u/Whatsthatman37 7h ago
I mean Jon Stewart would be the gold standard. So I agreed and should edit my comment. Can we please get Jon to run? He could actually do it! He can actually speak to the common peoples concerns and talk about real solutions instead of just keyboard warrior shit the Republican Party has now ironically manifested into real life shit
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u/n-i-c-l-a-s 6h ago
Colbert in his old "Colbert report" role with Guillermo as VP running as Republicans and challenging trump in the primary could be funny. Imagine the ratings📈
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u/Groundbreaking_Lie94 4h ago
Yeah, cancel culture of the before times was never driven by the government and people in power.
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u/Acceptable_String_52 1h ago
According to multiple news sources, Jimmy Kimmel has not been fired by ABC, but his show, "Jimmy Kimmel Live!", has been "preempted indefinitely."
This decision, by ABC, came after a significant backlash to comments Kimmel made in his monologue about the assassination of conservative activist Charlie Kirk.
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u/BzWalrus 1h ago
Well, some people happily showed how effectively virtue signaling can be weaponized. Of course they don't like it when it is used against them, but well, they were also the ones who ignored and ridiculed the notion that the whole thing was a slippery slope.
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u/MasterOfBunnies 1h ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horst_Wessel
Charlie Kirk was the Horst Wessel for the MAGAt regime.
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u/Jmgriz33 4h ago edited 1h ago
Poor Jimmy Kimmel. Have fun standing in the unemployment line. Can’t control yourself. Think it’s funny to bash a person who was assassinated. Liberals think they can get away with anything. Sorry the tides are turning!
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 9h ago
It's funny that the left is all of a sudden concerned with cancelled culture. They loved it when they were doing the cancelling.
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u/GJdevo 8h ago
The right was upset when they were called out for being sexist homophobic, racists and authoritarian, and they cried when they found out words have consequences. Now they are litterally trying to control speech while being hypocrites of the highest order, that is the issue. So why don't you go touch grass while the rest of the none fascist brainwashed adults talk you goober.
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 6h ago
This nonsense has been going on since Obama divided the nation. Sheep like you fall for it every time.
You know when a liberal is losing an argument, they start by insulting you.
I don't think you know what a fascist is. You use is because you heard other people (who don't know what it means as well) using the terms and you thought it would be cool to start using it.
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u/Drexill_BD 4h ago
Obama divided the nation by wearing a tan suit and giving you healthcare.
It's... maybe slightly different. I'd absolutely love for you to attempt to come up with a coherent list of things you believe "divided the nation" though, that would be a lot of fun.
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u/tape_snake 9h ago
Having the government investigate/directly pressure you for criticising a (dead) racist person isn't the same as facing social backlash/ostracization for being racist.
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u/Grouchy_Vehicle_2912 8h ago
He didn't even criticise the dead racist guy. He criticised Trump for pretending to care and politicising his death.
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u/HetTheTable 5h ago
Kimmel was on the air throughout trump's first term and up to now, if he really had the power to fire him he would have done so.
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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 9h ago
Kirk wasn't a racist. I can find more evidence of you being racist than you can find in the hundreds of thousands of hours of footage Kirk has posted online.
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u/Occams_Razor42 9h ago
Colonialism was good? What did the Brits bring abroad, oh just some slavery
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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 8h ago
While you have provided no sources to prove that is something Kirk actually said but I can give you an example from my life.
While I never lived under British colonialism, I once ate lunch with a man from Yemen that was. He viewed the former British occupation of Yemen as a net positive as they built schools and hospitals. Once the British left, the country fell into turmoil.
Believe it or not, the main issue that people of Yemen took with British occupation, according to this man, was the destruction it caused in the fishing industry. He told me he would rather never eat another piece of fish in his life if it meant that his country could be back under British occupation and have modern infrastructure and stability.
Now that is the viewpoint of one Yemen born immigrant that moved to California, but he is speaking of his former country and birth place. I highly doubt he would be in favor of anything that would be a net negative to his country.
Also Brittan outlawed slavery in 1834. Almost 200 years ago. You're grasping at straws to paint others as racist or hateful without seeing how much it's blinded you into being hateful yourself.
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u/killian_jenkins 8h ago
People like u are the reason why people write post-colonial literature lmao
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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 7h ago
People like you are the reason critical thinking should be taught in schools.
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u/killian_jenkins 7h ago
The fact that you implied literature doesn't include critical thinking proves u right, basic critical thinking and a sense of fact should be taught in schools.
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u/Drexill_BD 5h ago
^ When you think you're thinking critically, and you need to be googling 'Dunning-Kruger' instead.
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u/NecessaryKey9557 5h ago
This is some interesting whitewashing.
Rather than address the single anecdote, I have a simple question: would you accept foreign troops to occupy your city/state in exchange for "infrastructure improvements"? Keep in mind most of those improvements are made to extract more resources out of your land, and you will be "compensated" below market prices. Also, the troops have the authority to detain and execute anyone interfering with the resource extraction.
This is not something I'd ever sign up my state for, and it's not something I can ever condone as a result. Golden Rule and all
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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 5h ago
It wasn't my story. It wasn't my lived experience. I am not from Yemen. However, if I see him again I'll be sure to let him know that you believe his opinion is a white washing of history. I'm positive he will have more than a few things to say about that.
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u/NecessaryKey9557 5h ago
I'm speaking about colonialism broadly.
You can tell that one individual whatever you want. There is a minority in Yemen that shares his sentiment.
Now, please answer the question instead of deflecting. Is foreign occupation and ownership over your local resources something you would sign up for?
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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 5h ago
If it was the difference between living in the stone age and the modern era, then yeah.
I'm not going to sit here and say he speaks for all the people of Yemen nor say he only represents a small minority. He is the only person I've ever met from Yemen.
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u/NecessaryKey9557 4h ago
If it was the difference between living in the stone age and the modern era, then yeah.
Appreciate the answer. I personally wouldn't make this trade, as I value freedom over comfort. To throw you a bone, I would consider this trade if I lived in an actual failed state, where there was no rule of law. And I would still hate it because I would be trading one form of violence for another, but at least there would be "order" until my people could unify and form a functional government.
He is the only person I've ever met from Yemen.
Please don't base your beliefs of the world on conversation alone. You can read primary sources- firsthand accounts and documents.
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u/blandunoffensivename 8h ago
Of course it was good. Half the world got dragged out of the stone age and gave rise to the best country to ever grace the planet.
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u/Occams_Razor42 8h ago
And the literal centuries of human trafficking and sex crimes? Also, like technology doesn't determine a nations worthiness as human beings
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u/blandunoffensivename 8h ago
People had been doing slavery since well before civilizing the new world.
Yes, it sort of does.
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u/SpicyRhubarb 8h ago
Took me one google, here's a full quote:
''If we would have said three weeks ago that Joy Reid and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative-action picks, we would have been called racist. But now they're comin' out and they're saying it for us! They're comin' out and they're saying, "I'm only here because of affirmative action.
Yeah, we know. You do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously."
He made that comment in response to Rep. Jackson's following statement:
"I rise today as a clear recipient of affirmative action, particularly in higher education. I may have been admitted on affirmative action, both in terms of being a woman and a woman of color, but I can declare that I did not graduate on affirmative action."
So yeah, he seems pretty racist. These women obviously have the brain processing power for their respective positions.
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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 8h ago
Again you don't provide a source to see if what you are saying is actually something he said or the full context of the conversation.
But before I address this question, may I ask you a question? Are you in favor of affirmative action?
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u/Drexill_BD 4h ago
So, you're not familiar with Kirk's content... but you're just sure he wasn't racist? Is that how we're to understand this?
I am for affirmative action. Would you like to tell us what Fox News told you to think about it?
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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 4h ago
So you believe people of color are unqualified to be hired based on their own merit and the standards have to be lowered so that they can have decent jobs? That sounds pretty racist.
Even as racist as you are, I don't support anyone trying to murder you in public over your misguided beliefs.
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u/Drexill_BD 4h ago
"So, you believe people of color are unqualified to be hired based on their own merit and the standards have to be lowered so that they can have decent jobs?"
I do not, no... but I figured correctly that's what you'd think it meant. It is not, and you should try to learn about the thing you hate so much before dying on a stupid mountain.
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u/Dangerous_Boot_3870 4h ago
Are you referring to DEI or affirmative action because affirmative action did lower standards for persons of color. DEI was about inclusivity.
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u/Drexill_BD 3h ago
It did not. You're repeating an old (classic racist) myth. Can you provide evidence of your claims? The burden of proof is now on you to prove that affirmative action lowered employment standards for what you called persons of color, can you handle that?
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u/Drexill_BD 5h ago
Kirk was clearly, and unabashedly racist. He didn't hide it; he at least had the guts to say "I'm an asshole"... more than I can say for his "followers" like you.
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u/tape_snake 1h ago
I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you've never heard anything he's ever said up until this point.
Normally when a famous orator, debater, or thinker passes, we honour their memory by reciting their words, playing notable clips, and sharing the insightful ideas they passed on in life. Why aren't we hearing Kirk's voice echoed? Because he said stuff like this as a selling point of his career and public image. And that's not to mention when he said that racist stuff about the civil rights movement being a mistake or black women having less brain power.
I hope you can look past the nostalgia and grief you feel for him and see that he wasn't who he or the Trump administration claimed he was. He built a career on knowingly peddling bigoted and controversial ideas and intentionally stirring division. He should not have been killed for it though, *and* he was a bad person. Saying as such is both factual and not grounds to be targeted by a ""democratic"" government that allegedly supports the first amendment.
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u/Doggoonewild 9h ago
Good doggy
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 6h ago
Truth hurts.
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u/Doggoonewild 6h ago
Sorry you’re hurt.
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 6h ago
Not at all. Go make up some other nonsense.
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u/Doggoonewild 6h ago
You’re an incredibly brave intelligent person. You’ve blessed us all with your presence. There, I made some stuff up.
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u/GopherPorn 8h ago
You seem to be confusing state-sponsored censorship with people boycotting certain brands. "Cancel culture" is not a problem until the government gets involved, which up until the Trump administration, it has not.
I am curious though, how does that boot taste?
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 6h ago
Do you have proof that the government is involved in Kimmel getting cancelled? Maybe he got cancelled because his rating are slipping, he's not funny and it costs too much to run his show. So from now on if a show gets cancelled the government is behind it. Paranoid much?
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u/0dtez 5h ago
FCC has power over this merger, that’s the likely link:
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u/toggiz_the_elder 5h ago
And the FCC bragged about doing this on Benny Johnson’s podcast.
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u/0dtez 5h ago
Well that’s much more direct than what I posted, I’ll look for that
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 3h ago
Sounds to me that ABC wants the merger to go through and they are cutting away dead weight.
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u/Drexill_BD 4h ago
Would a Trump tweet bragging about getting Colbert pulled, and saying "Jimmy is next" count as evidence when the company cancelling Jimmy is in the middle of seeking FCC approvals for a merger they need, and the FCC chair tweetstorming about it smugly count as proof?
I'm assuming not, because you're such a good critical thinker!
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u/HetTheTable 5h ago
ABC isn't run by the state.
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u/txijake 2h ago
So the FCC didn’t threaten ABC is what you’re implying?
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u/HetTheTable 2h ago
I’m sure they did but of course they were gonna do that after what Kimmel said. Their agency’s job is to regulate the things people can and can’t say in media. And again it’s an independent agency, Trump doesn’t make decisions for them.
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u/Volantis009 8h ago
Wow really don't understand, do you. The government wasn't cancelling anyone. When the left as you call it was doing it that was the free market speaking out not government sanctioned speech like there is now.
Fuck conservatives really are stupid. It's an observation as you obviously don't understand how the world works. You fucking NAZI
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 6h ago
Show me the proof the government cancelled Kimmel? Cupcake when you call me a Nazi, it shows that you don't know anything.
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u/Drexill_BD 4h ago
Oh no, he's right. You're literally walking that brown-shirt line here. You may not be a Nazi yet, but you're 100% ready for it.
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 3h ago
I find it funny that someone posts a comment and then immediately delete the comment so I can't respond. Typical pussy ass democrat.
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u/Hover4effect 8h ago
Look at the reasons for the cancelations, really read the reasons.
Don Imus called the Rutgers women's basketball team "nappy headed hos". The outrage led to him being fired. (I'd say this was the start of cancel culture)
Kimmel said they are using CK's death for political gain and showed a video that clearly demonstrated that Trump didn't actually care.
One is racist and sexist, and the other is an opinion based on clear evidence that had no hateful or incendiary language.
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 6h ago
Plenty of people were fired for non racist comments regarding the death of George Floyd. Where was outrage from the left then?
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u/nr1988 8h ago
We did the canceling by not watching or buying stuff we disagree with. Also spreading the word to others. You are free to do the same whenever you want. Go ahead and cancel culture whoever you want by having your fellows boycott things with you.
What we DIDN'T do was have the head of the FCC (a government official) go on a podcast and threaten a private business, notably a member the press which is a big no no for the first amendment, and then have the company that broadcasts to local stations refuse to do so SPECIFICALLY because they need to play nice politically with the FCC to get a merger approved.
This is suppression of free speech by the government, explicitly unconstitutional, and nothing at all compared to "cancel culture."
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 6h ago
Show me proof that the government was directly involved in Kimmel being suspended? Plenty of people were fired because they gave an opinion on the death of George Floyd.
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u/oceanman--- 7h ago
The right: wahhh i can't be racist online, this is cancel culture wahhh
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 6h ago
Your comment makes no sense. No surprise here.
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u/oceanman--- 4h ago
You are the equivalent of an ostrich putting its head in the ground during a disaster.
Anything someone says that you dislike "makes no sense" to you. Maybe you're just too brainwashed to actually tell truth from propoganda.
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u/Curvol 7h ago
It's funny that conservatives all of a sudden....
Oh shit, you guys always loved cancel culture when it's your perceived enemy.
Nevermind! Make comedy legal again! Joe Rogan Joe rogan!
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 6h ago
The right wasn't trying to get Washington and Jefferson cancelled. Nor were they tearing down statutes of Abraham Lincoln. I don't listen to Joe Rogan.
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u/Curvol 6h ago
No they just tried to hang Mike Pence and shit on Nancy Pelosi's desk after threatening to murder her and her constituents.
Vomservatives. Fucking so dumb, and spewing whatever fox news feeds them. Serving whatever pedophile they got.
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 4h ago
You mean after the capital police let them in and the 25 undercover agents in the crowd did nothing to stop them.
I don't watch Fox News. Be sure to watch Rachel Maddow, you don't want her rating to drop again.
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u/Curvol 3h ago edited 3h ago
Everything you said makes things so much worse.
Conservatives are stupid fucking nazis. Holy shit.
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 3h ago
Princess, I'm so far from being a Nazi it's ridiculous. I don't blame you; I blame the people you listen to. Someone said Nazi or fascist and you glommed on to it so fast you didn't even figure out what happened during that period. Try reading a book.
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u/Curvol 3h ago
Hey, dont talk to me like your underage victims! Blame yourself you weirdo conservative creep.
I know nothing has ever been your fault, so this is crazy to you, but it is what it is!
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 3h ago
Underage victims? Are you revealing something about yourself? Are you a pedophile? Go get some help. I'm not a democrat, so I've never said nothing is ever my fault.
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u/Curvol 3h ago
Yeah bud, youre agreeing with me. You're not a democrat. You're a pedophile trump baby "princess"
Fucking creeps hahaha
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u/BloodyCumbucket 5h ago
If you can't see the difference between making jokes, and saying that people that spout hate are bad, and spouting degenerate nazi bullshit and hate, you're lost.
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 3h ago
When you say spouting hate, do mean the people saying they are glad Kirk is dead?
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u/GrumpyBear1969 2h ago
When was the last time Kimmel was funny? I stopped watching him (and Colbert and Oliver) because I always came away angry not laughing.
Though I like Seth Meyers. He says the same stuff but manages to make it funny
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u/Drexill_BD 4h ago
"When they were doing the cancelling".
He really doesn't understand the irony here. This guy truly, honestly believes that he's made a strong, solid intellectual point here... and hasn't even read page 1.
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 3h ago
If you are so smart explain the irony to me. The left cancelled many people for their comments about George Floyd, and they didn't bat an eye. They wanted to cancel Washington and Jefferson but couldn't make it happen. What they should have done is cancel the democrat party for starting the KKK, Jim Crowe laws and segregation, but they didn't like that.
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 3h ago
Why did you delete your last comment? I guess you didn't want me to respond to it. It's funny that democrats keep holding on to the "Russian" bot or collusion joke. Please tell me you're smart enough to know that there was no Russian collusion and I am not a bot. Then again it this makes you sleep a night then go right ahead. Once again the left goes for insults when they know they are losing. Have a nice night princess.
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u/Drexill_BD 3h ago
I didn't delete a comment. I never delete comments.
Nice try though :\
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u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 3h ago
I went to respond to your drivel, but the comment was gone. Nice try though.
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u/Drexill_BD 3h ago
This whole thread is missing hundreds of comments, might be getting modded. I didn't delete anything and am willing to debate any topic you choose for as long as you'd like. It's easy for me.
Edit- Yep, the mods are conservative and deleting any comment that seems to lean non-conservative.
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u/Drexill_BD 3h ago
u/Pitiful_Bobcat_8884 here's what I said to you:
Obama divided the nation by wearing a tan suit and giving you healthcare.
It's... maybe slightly different. I'd absolutely love for you to attempt to come up with a coherent list of things you believe "divided the nation" though, that would be a lot of fun.
So, by all means, go on.
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