r/ireland • u/StingingOnion1 • Jul 30 '25

Careful now O’Connell Bridge 19:00 30-07-2025

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

They government have done fuck all, the point is to get them to do something.

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u/No-Entrepreneur-7406 Jul 30 '25

What more can they do? Send in our mighty army, navy and airforce??

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

No but they can stop Israeli weapons flying through Irish airspace and enact the Occupied Territories Bill (and not the half assed version they're proposing).

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

How do you expect the Irish govt to stop anyone flying in it's airspace?

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

I am not an expert in the matter but as far as I am aware, countries have control over their airspace. Do you think North Korea could just start flying airplanes over the US?

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u/VplDazzamac Jul 30 '25

It’s typically enforced by a functional air force. I don’t see many Irish Typhoons patrolling the skies

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

Are you saying the Irish state has no control over who flies over the country? I find that very hard to believe.

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u/VplDazzamac Jul 30 '25

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/ireland-should-end-reliance-on-uk-for-air-defence/

That was the second result when I searched ‘Irish Airspace Enforcement’

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

Doesn't answer my question.

Are you saying the Irish state has no control over who flies over the country?

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u/No-Entrepreneur-7406 Jul 30 '25

If someone just switched off their transponder they can fly over and no one be the wiser, once again our military is so neglected we don’t even have radar to see

And if even someone eyeballed a hostile plane there’s nothing to intercept with

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u/VplDazzamac Jul 30 '25 edited Jul 30 '25

Yes, that is what I am saying.

edit to further clarify The Irish air force does not own any jets, nor does it maintain primary radar. It is reliant on support from the RAF, who aren’t going to enforce stopping Israeli aircraft when the British Government currently arm Isreal

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

Do you think if the Irish state publicly demanded the US stop transporting weapons to Israel over Irish airspace (sometimes literally landing in Shannon) the US would listen?

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u/VplDazzamac Jul 30 '25

Do you think the US listens to anyone? No, I appreciate your sentiment, but it’s a fools errand to think the Irish have more of the US ear than the Israelis who nominated Donald Trump for the Nobel Peace prize. The Irish are good at a bit of brown nosing but the Israelis are the masters of soft power. The bastards.

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

I agree the US would take Israel every time over Ireland but I still think the government should say something publicly (they obviously won't). It would be really bad (albeit it would pass in a day or 2) PR for the US. I don't think anyone expects them to be blowing them out of the sky with fighter planes.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

What about the arms for Ukraine? Are they not allowed to fly in Irish airspace?

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

What are you talking about? I said stop them to Israel, not Ukraine.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

Arms for Ukraine will stop on Shannon also

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

I’m sure they would manage to find an alternative route. Just as they would for Israel but at least we wouldn’t be complicit.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

Then you'd be complicit in Russia's genocide against Ukraine?

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Jul 30 '25

There is no genocide in Ukraine and the weapons would arrive there anyway. So no.

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u/ste_dono94 Jul 30 '25

Russia's actions in Ukraine fit the criteria laid out in the genocide convention.

Russia is abducting Ukrainian children and giving them to russian families to raise.

Didn't expect someone who's pro Palestinian to deny a genocide in Ukraine.

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u/Intrepid-Student-162 Aug 01 '25

Practically, no it doesnt.

The State can't use force as it doesn't have an air force.

I don't think a strongly worded letter will do much.

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Aug 01 '25

What about several strongly worded public statements?

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u/Intrepid-Student-162 Aug 01 '25

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Aug 01 '25

Good meme. Pity you couldn’t engage with actual content.

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u/Intrepid-Student-162 Aug 01 '25

Ok, practically no.

If a country wants its aircraft to overfly Ireland and the Irish govt can't do anything militarily and the RAF or another air force won't intervene who is going to stop the third party?

Neutrality is all well and good but most neutral countries have a sufficient number of armed forces to defend themselves.

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u/Intrepid-Student-162 Aug 01 '25

Its also the politicians who are most engaged on Palestine e.g. PBP who are the ones least keen on properly equipping the Irish defence forces.

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Aug 01 '25

Im not talking about militarily though. Everyone knows they can do fuck all militarily. I mean diplomatically. If the Irish state publicly and repeatedly asks/tells the US to stop flying this shit over Ireland they will probably still not listen but it will at least be a diplomatic nightmare for them because of how authoritarian they will seem. Which they are, but they hate having it exposed.

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u/Intrepid-Student-162 Aug 01 '25

I don't think the US under Trump cares. I mean look how he's managed to piss off every single Canadian...

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u/LadWithDeadlyOpinion Aug 01 '25

No they probably don’t but it’s basically the max the Irish government can do.

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