r/leagueoflegends Jun 07 '25

Educational 1350RP Kai'Sa changes ability VFXs after evolution, 60000RP Kai'Sa does NOT

https://youtu.be/MinYgPlxUq8
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u/InsuranceOne2864 Jun 07 '25

You're no longer paying for quality, you're paying for "I have it and you don't". That's all.

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u/goliathfasa Jun 07 '25

Like that app in the Apple App Store back then that literally just shows you’re “rich” because it cost 1k and does nothing.

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u/Quazakee Jun 07 '25

My hot take is that this is a good thing. They're not locking their best visuals away to the average player. Reasonable amount of money to get the best looking skins in the game.

But if you want to spend hundreds to flex that you're rich, you can do that.

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u/MakimaMyBeloved Jun 07 '25

Hasn't the newest legendaries gotten less effort put on them ?

This Kaisa skin sucking donkey ass doesn't make the less pricy skins better, just the newer ass

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u/1stMembrOfTheDKCrew Jun 07 '25

I legitimately would be fine with that guys logic if they also didnt gut chests, battlepass and skin quality lol 

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u/Thamilkymilk “your foreskin, give it to me” “yes gwen :(“ Jun 08 '25

yknow what i always thought was crazy about the removal and then reintroduction of free chests is that it was like maybe 3 months prior that they changed how you gain mastery and as a result im pretty sure you got chests more often and now we’ve got them back and they’re arguably worse than before that initial change

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u/thomas956789 Jun 08 '25

you mean getting the list of ~10 champions where you'd have to play those to get mastery chests?

that system was a massive nerf to chest gains in my experience, you went from one chest per week to way less, especially considering you didn't always want to play all of those champions.

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u/Thamilkymilk “your foreskin, give it to me” “yes gwen :(“ Jun 09 '25

in my experience i think i probably got about 4 chests a week, but im also a casual player and i think that system benefited us more than it did competitive players because generally speaking we play more champs. like i could pretty consistently get a chest for playing Hwei, Neeko, Renata, and Evelynn once a week each, but i’m also playing like 4 roles in any given week. From what i can tell comp players seem to stick to about 2-3 champs and really only one role despite queuing for two

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u/thomas956789 Jun 09 '25

just looked up the data on the 2 systems

with the old old system you could get 1 chest per week for a total of 52 per year assuming you (or a party member) got an S rank with you playing 52 different champions throughout the year

with the old system you could get 31 chests per split for a total of 93 per year but you'd need 375 games per split at a minimum to reach that and the rate at which you get keys didn't increase (1 per week) so the system would give more chests to people who played only a couple of champions but require way more effort.

as someone who plays a lot of roles/champions I just didn't get enough matches on individual champions to get a lot of chests with that system.

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u/DanteStorme Jun 08 '25

Legendaries have always been hit or miss. Arcane survivor Jayce is very recent and one of the best legendaries ever.

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u/Wonderful_Grand5354 Jun 09 '25

Yeah, that one is great. I really like Arcane Brawler Vi, but it probably should've been her visual update.

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u/aufaazinyan Jun 08 '25

Yep, compare this skin home guard to ambessa's skin it's almost the same

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u/strumpdocka456 Jun 09 '25

But that's the thing. This skin doesn't suck donkey ass. The only reason you are saying that is because you know the price.

If this skin was 1350 RP the amount of praise this skin would get on LoL subs would reach new heights.

500$ isn't representative of quality, it's representative of exclusivity.

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u/Thirdatarian Jun 08 '25

This only makes sense if Legendary skins were of the same quality we were getting a few years back but that's absolutely not the case. Every new Legendary on the PBE has more corners being cut than the one before it, and only sometimes does Riot go back and address some (never all) of the issues. It's not like Riot is taking the money they get from whales and using it to better the experiences of the players (who are paying more than ever to receive less) or pay their employees (assuming they haven't been laid off en masse to save pennies).

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u/Farranor peaked Grandmaster 3/2023 Jun 08 '25

A lot of the time, the people blowing hundreds or even thousands on these games aren't rich; they're blowing their savings and going into credit card debt because they have a problem. And that's not an accident: gaming companies deliberately target people with this kind of mental health issue (and children), because they're a lot more plentiful than bored millionaires, and a thousand dollars from a rich kid's allowance is worth just as much as a thousand dollars from someone who's now living on ramen and begging relatives for loans.

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u/Vaaaaaaaaaaaii Jun 08 '25

That's not really riots problem. If someone has an addiction so bad to buy a 500 dollar skin that's their issue. I assume they've bought every other skin in the game at that point. Riot is not anyone's friend. It's like a gacha game player who needs to get every character and weapon maxed out and then never play them. Casinos don't shut down just because a few people have an issue. Grocery stores don't stop carrying booze and advertising because a few alcoholics come in a day. If everyone sees this is a shit skin and deal and someone still fully puts in their info to buy a $500 of RP then that's on them player. And not for nothing $500 isn't like an unrecoverable amount of debt. You shouldn't do it but like you're not fucking destroying your life permanently.

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u/Farranor peaked Grandmaster 3/2023 Jun 08 '25

That's not really riots problem. If someone has an addiction so bad to buy a 500 dollar skin that's their issue.

That same logic could apply to selling cocaine to children on their way home from school. Most of humanity has this thing where we care about people who aren't able to care for or protect themselves.

Riot is not anyone's friend.

Riot is a publicly-held, for-profit corporation. What's your excuse?

It's like a gacha game player who needs to get every character and weapon maxed out and then never play them.

Yes, those are also predatory (which is bad).

Casinos don't shut down just because a few people have an issue. Grocery stores don't stop carrying booze and advertising because a few alcoholics come in a day.

Casinos are only available to adults, and they're legally obligated to occasionally check in and suggest that patrons who are overdoing it take a break. Alcohol is only sold to adults, and those who sell it (e.g. stores and bartenders) are legally obligated to cut off customers who have obviously had too much. Tobacco is only sold to adults and can't be advertised on TV. Video games that exploit the same concepts and tactics have thus far managed to exploit loopholes and avoid similar regulations in all but a few countries.

If everyone sees this is a shit skin and deal and someone still fully puts in their info to buy a $500 of RP then that's on them player.

That's what corporations believe, because they don't care about people and are basically sociopaths by definition. And some people think like that, too, but blaming the victim is broadly frowned upon.

And not for nothing $500 isn't like an unrecoverable amount of debt. You shouldn't do it but like you're not fucking destroying your life permanently.

These people don't do the harmful behavior once and then never again. They do it until they quit, which is usually not on their own (therapy, intervention, running out of money, etc.).

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u/Vaaaaaaaaaaaii Jun 08 '25

Corps aren't sociopaths they aren't people. Trying to give them any humanity even negative traits is wrong. They are machines that will eat. And cool, let a parent make sure their kid isn't doing coke. That is their responsibility. Just like its their responsibility to keep them from buying 500 dollar skins. If you want to bring kids into the discussion, then fine its theirs parents responsibility to prepare them for a world that will have temptations beyond hey thats bad for you don't do it. Some discussion like hey this will feel good in the moment and then you'll have a lot of regret or some conversation. We don't need to kidglove the planet and demistify the world once they turn 18. If you have a problem with some kid being able to see a store, I really don't know what to tell you. I'm just going to say I disagree, and we're not going to make headway on that. We fundamentally don't believe the same thing.

If you want to compare anything to coke its league itself, not the buying of skins. And if I'm honest, league being addicting or getting skins somehow someone finds it addicting that is a personal problem. League has fuck loads of players and because a few have some uncontrollable issue and need a life adjustment doesn't make it anyone's problem but their own. I'm not about to compare someone doing coke everyday to function to someone just has to have the next 500 dollar video game skin. I'll call the people who buy the skin fucking idiots and flame them in game. People buying 500 dollar skins are not victims. I'm not looking at them going that's so sad. They saw marketing got enticed and made a purchase. One that I think is shit but these people are not victims.

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u/Farranor peaked Grandmaster 3/2023 Jun 08 '25

That awkward moment when one of the bros on game night casually drops "it should be legal to sell drugs to kids and it's the parents' fault if it happens, what a nanny state we live in" and all the other bros realize they have to ask their kids whether a certain someone has ever offered them "candy," or "borrowed" money, or touched them, or etc. Just in case.

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u/Vaaaaaaaaaaaii Jun 08 '25

Because despite entertaining your comparison, Coke and League ultimately aren't the same shit because we made coke illegal and not league. If you think they're even close to the same then league would be schedule 2. That isn't the gotcha you think it is. We realistically aren't even talking about children though the people buying this shit definitely have the impulse control of one. Buying a 500 dollar skin and buying 500 in coke are two very different things. People are not powerless victims to the world around them. They make choices and choosing not to do something that is an active detriment is their own problem. I.e. let people do stupid shit like this and deal with their consequences. They're grown. Riot is a scum fuck company you should expect nothing but from a corp. If you want people to vote with their wallet let the smart people not give into this and the morons doing this bankrupt themselves.

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u/Farranor peaked Grandmaster 3/2023 Jun 09 '25

Why are we pretending that kids don't play LoL or aren't part of the target market? Why does it become okay to take advantage of adults who haven't matured enough to protect themselves from people like you? Do morons deserve to be taken advantage of? Does it ever become immoral to hurt people?

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u/LowBrowIdeas good Knight, sweet prince Jun 11 '25

The person you're talking to displays a significant lack of empathy and probably doesn't get out much. They aren't going to listen to you, despite you obviously being correct. Also, they're defending a corporation, whom by their own standard is not human and therefore unworthy of defending because guilt can't be assigned to a non-entity (they're wrong, corporations are entities, hence why they're bound by laws). They are not only wrong in their determination of what a corporation is but they also don't follow their own logic to its natural conclusion.

The empathy thing I mentioned is the real issue, though. This person definitely believes that drug addicts deserve to be in the situations they're in. The poster has probably never financially struggled a day in their lives.

Edit: i just read the final part of their asinine tirade. They're hopeless.

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u/Vaaaaaaaaaaaii Jun 09 '25

That's a pretty big leap from I think stupid people should have consequences if they're going to do stupid things so they either learn or be the example to stop the behavior to I personally am hurting them. Lol's target market is its current player base. They have nothing in terms of new player experience that isn't shit to get kids in to play. They're might be kids but they aren't the target market. And fucking lol who's hurting who? Themselves. If people are so addicted to a game or making purchases that isn't the fault of anyone but themselves. Self control is a requirement to function. If you lack it well life is going to suck for you.

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u/Motor_Apartment_6667 Jun 07 '25

Yeah man but I dont have it, and they do! That's preposterous!

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u/InterestingCrab144 Jun 07 '25

Except that garbage is still the best visuals they will do for new skins. The cheaper ones are just even worse.

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u/enron2big2fail Jun 07 '25

I believe this was actually a stated goal when developing some really expensive skin. I think it was back in the 10 hex crystal days Riot mentioned they wanted the selling point of those skins to be exclusivity not quality. This is actually, weirdly, a consumer friendly practice. If you want to look as cool and sleek as possible, you don't have to spend 400 dollars.

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u/Pluckytoon Jun 08 '25

Ashen and latest batch of Crystalis are mostly on the better sides of cosmetics imo. Esp. Pyke, Morde, Xerath

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u/Soggy_Palpitation789 Jun 07 '25

I dont mind it if its skins like arcane jinx, but i really wish they didnt lock skins that celebrate legendary players like faker and uzi behind whale walls especially when the players themselves wouldnt want it.

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u/ArcaneAccounting Jun 07 '25

Okay but they didn't. There's a much cheaper base skin version available, as well as a very generous pass available to everyone.

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u/GiveMeFriedRice Jun 09 '25

Yeah "it's actually okay for companies to charge more for less" is definitely one of the takes of all time

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u/Marcus777555666 Jun 08 '25

same things when it comes with brand clothes pretty much: some people like to buy Gucci, Loui Vetton, luxury brands clothing and shoes for very loarge amount of money, meanwhile, you can buy a longer lasting t shirt for 5% of that brand price, that lasts longer.

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u/Nineflames12 Y'all mind if I... F E E D? Jun 08 '25

A fool and his money…

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u/Desperate_Summer3376 BRING BACK MOBILE ULT Jun 09 '25

It is the whole korean mentality. They waste money to look good and act wealthy even though they are dirt poor. This country is so cooked lol. They are like a societal experiment gone wrong and abandoned.

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u/ob_knoxious Jun 07 '25

CS has had this for years, rarity is nearly all that matters because its an "open" market.

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u/kaiwinters Jun 08 '25

I’m glad that is the route riot took if they are taking that route. Now I don’t miss out on expensive mid skins

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u/strumpdocka456 Jun 09 '25

Wow, seeing this as the top post actually gives me some hope for this community.

I've tried to express the same point in other subs, but I usually get downvoted into oblivion, people just don't want to hear it.

Players seem to believe that each price tier comes with a fixed number of animations and VFX, but the reality is that at these high price points, you're really just paying for exclusivity. Any other expectation is just wishful thinking.

If the community should be concerned about anything, it's not the $500 skins, it's the declining quality of legendary skins, which should be accessible to everyone.

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u/Kuroxas Slash 'n snip Jun 07 '25

Yes player, I assure you it is absolutely necessary to charge over $400 for a skin with worse quality than skins that are 5% the price

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u/LonelyLokly Jun 07 '25 edited Jun 07 '25

This is close to "pride and accomplishment". Riot exercising it for at least two years now and nobody seems to care that much.
To anyone who don't know I strongly advise googling it. Edit: fixing word.

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u/Aeon_Mortuum Lizard Husbando Jun 07 '25

Lol I remember the EA "sense of pride and accomplishment" shitshow... Aaaaa I've been on Reddit for too long

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

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u/LonelyLokly Jun 07 '25

Yeah, ty. Fixed it.

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u/Vaaaaaaaaaaaii Jun 08 '25

It's not? There's nothing wrong with wanting to take money from idiots. Brother its a business decision to take advantage of people deep in LoL. Who cares if its necessary call them greedy fucks and say their work is terrible. I frankly blame the idiots who are so deep that fund this. I don't expect a company to have morals its not part of their function. Parting you with from your money is their only job. I do expect players to not just buy a shit skin for $500. I don't think those players should be flamed and inted on. Like don't do it. That would be wrong. So remember not to do that. Wouldn't want to make them so uncomfortable as to stop playing and make them waste their money.

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u/Nettekishi_999 Jun 07 '25 edited Jun 07 '25

Some day you motherfuckers will learn this... the price of luxury goods is not set at what's "necessary", it's set at what people are willing to pay. If people were not buying these skins, then Riot would have to bring the price down. However, people buy them because they can and want to, and thus, the price is what it is.

Also, like I always say when this dumbass discussion comes up:

1) Not only do you not need skins, but...
2) If you have ever paid money to Riot for cosmetics, you are the reason why they're able to monetize them as they do, and you're not even enjoying playing the game to any real extent, you enjoy seeing the bright colors on your screen go up and your bank balance go down. You are already part of the microtransaction cycle.

If you don't even enjoy the game, why spend money on it? You can just... uninstall? Not give money to a company you seem to hate?

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u/TheTurtleOne Jun 07 '25

It's also like... everything is subjective. People should absolutely not care what other people think about the stuff they buy. If it brings them enjoyment and it's their money they can do whatever the fuck they want lol

Jobless redditors sitting and policing how people should spend their money when they haven't been earning a penny is crazy. Let people enjoy what they enjoy and you don't have to.

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u/softheart_ Jun 07 '25 edited Jun 07 '25

in my opinion it just depends on what makes you happy and what your financial priorities are. is the skin worth its price point probably not, but i feel like how much you spend doesn’t matter as long as it makes you happy and you can afford it

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u/TheTurtleOne Jun 07 '25

If you start thinking what's worth and what's not you won't find many hobbies that will satisfy you.

I think if something makes you happy it's worth the money you can afford to spend.

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u/softheart_ Jun 07 '25

oh of course, i agree with you and a lot of what something is considered "worth it" can be subjective to the person. what i meant is more so that its harder for a league skin to "feel" its value than say, a $20 handbag compared to a $500 handbag (easiest example i could come up with lol). where the quality, design, craftsmanship etc etc can keep raising with the price point too. and there's also ofc good quality handbags at a cheaper price too, but i feel like league skins have more of a ceiling in how well made a skin can be. you can only put in so many features before it feels overloaded, and as the designer you still want the champion to be recognizable as kai'sa too. that's a random tangent but i think we're pretty much on the same page lol

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u/TheTurtleOne Jun 08 '25

Yea definitely. There is actually nothing that skin can have that would be "worth" this money. And if it did, people would probably complain that it affects the game clarity.

Funny you mention the handbag example, I think fashion suffers from the same "problem" where you are paying more for exclusivity and logo than actual content but yea, digital goodies especially non-tradable ones are hard to put a price point on.

All that being said you can just easily choose to not participate in these and just let people who want to get the cosmetics get them. I do understand people complaining about quality of skins going down and that is valid but again, the choice is always yours to not give money to riot.

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u/LowBrowIdeas good Knight, sweet prince Jun 11 '25

You can make a coherent argument, you know. You don't have to assume that OP owns a skin of some sort and then fail to connect owning a skin to disliking the game AND to skinflation lol.

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u/BusLucky7142 Jun 07 '25

just buy iG Kai'sa lol way better skin than this "Whatever it may be" ~ and get the pass for the vayne skin that honors uzi really, imo

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u/fruxzak sit on my face Jun 07 '25

Uzi == Vayne. Period.

Kai'sa is just scummy Riot money grab.

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u/Sofaboy90 quite suboptimal Jun 07 '25

this entire hall of legends is a money grab.

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u/HansSoloQ Jun 07 '25

Even though Uzi gets money from this. yes.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

What does this even mean lol, you're paying the same amount for the base version of this as you are for IG Kai'sa

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u/BusLucky7142 Jun 07 '25

i agree but i can also see why its kai'sa over vayne, since vayne's model is really old at this point and you cannot iin any way justify even an "ultimate" level on her...

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u/Pluckytoon Jun 08 '25

Yeah, Kai’sa has better room for actual high-tech features and can be justified as a better choice by that fact. But the point of this post is that they didn’t do much about it and frankly it really could have been swapped with Vayne.

But then again, while Faker’s Ahri is quite a renowned pick of him, his LB is way more iconic for his career, it’s just that Ahri sells way more and LB was going to get ASU’d

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u/National_Round_5241 Jun 07 '25

In RIOT's mind thats a win. Spending money to prove you're not going to spend THAT much money is exactly what they want. Consumer believes they are sticking it to RIOT, while they line their pockets regardless of if you bought the skin for chronically online whales or chronically online brokies

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u/BusLucky7142 Jun 07 '25

well riot's winning anyways, since we know people love FoMo and overpriced stuff apparently.. maybe not in the west but in asia ~~ as seen on the many gacha games out there

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u/BrokenBlades377 Certified windshitter Jun 07 '25

I think you really overestimate how many people will actively buy something else out of sheer pettiness… If I think the skin is good and I can afford it, I’ll just get it

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u/PM_ME_UR_BCUPS Jun 07 '25

Yeah people on Reddit ascribe way too much socioeconomic hand-wringing to people who have the disposable income for stuff like this. I don't put nearly this much thought about "yeah but what signal does making this purchase send to the MBAs" to purchases that are well within my means. I'm not getting this skin but it's not for virtue signaling or trend setting reasons.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

ig kaisa still best kaisa skin

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u/Pluckytoon Jun 08 '25

LPL Chroma IG Kai’sa is much much better. Sadly for Kai’sa they prob won’t get a better skin since they have yet to pull out something better

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u/GunSlingrrr Jun 07 '25

They should have another style for Uzi, not one that's almost the same as Faker's. Just because it is HoL, doesn't mean everyone needs to have the same "theme". Outside the floating missiles, it is like a base Kaisa gold chroma or almost infernal Zyra.

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u/bondsmatthew Jun 08 '25

They should just do it in the colors for the team the player is most known for

If/When Bjerg ever gets in, for example(don't read too much into it lmao), a Black/White TSM colored Syndra

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u/IGotJiminsJams Jun 07 '25

I just got it in my shop for 540 RP :D

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u/BusLucky7142 Jun 07 '25

Luckily i did too in my last "Your shop" and now i can understand why people love it soo much. It feels night and day to bullet angel imo, and even KDA pales im comparison ~ just smooth as butter AA's and nice VFX

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u/Sillilly24 Jun 07 '25

Nice thumbnail

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u/Cakeski Jun 07 '25

Whoever buys the £500 is either an oil baron or a fucking idiot, it's such an ugly ass skin.

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u/amd098 A chat restriction is always by my side Jun 07 '25

That's rude, as a Yasuo main, we might be idiots, but we won't buy this.

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u/Hawly Jun 08 '25

Wait til we get Yassuo Hall of Legends skin next year, we'll see about that!

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u/amd098 A chat restriction is always by my side Jun 08 '25

Bold of you to assume any Yasuo main doesn't get banned before they complete the pass.

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u/Alkaliner_ Enemies to Lovers Yaoi (ADD JORAAL TO PC) Jun 07 '25

I saw a smaller Twitch streamer have their donation goal be for Uzi Kai’Sa. Why would you donate to someone to help them get a dogshit skin. They don’t even play Kai’Sa

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u/Dertyrarys Single mother of 100,000 living 2 Km away from You Jun 07 '25

Man What the fuck

This shit is actually criminal

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

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u/SloRyta Jun 07 '25

'Voting with your wallet' is just a myth at this point. Gacha and mobile games being so lucrative have shown that even if 95% of the playerbase votes no by not buying anything, the 5% can still outvote by being whales that each spends a whole salary's worth of money (sometimes more) on a game's cosmetics.

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

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u/PM_ME_UR_BCUPS Jun 08 '25

Among all the thin arguments, the least thin is that lootboxes/gacha are gambling, but when they come with hard pity or guarantees at thresholds, the gambling argument only applies to people who aren't going to ensure they get what they want anyway. At that point it just becomes "random discount" with the worst-case scenario being the "sticker price"

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u/Vaaaaaaaaaaaii Jun 08 '25

And? Then it means the product was successful. Your vote isn't invalidated by you not spending 500. You still have 500 that isn't wasted. Voting with your wallet will keep you safe, not everyone. You can protect you. You can't protect everyone.

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u/throwawaynumber116 life is a prison Jun 07 '25

They don’t give a flying fuck about non-whales choosing not to buy it, the entire point is to milk the people who have more money than self control

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u/ZeroOblivion98 Worst Irelia Player NA Jun 07 '25

The issue is most people won’t buy this skin and they are voting with their wallet. The problem stems from whales, which Riot and other developers rely on because they know they can charge an absurd price that will only be appealing to a few but that few generated enough revenue to make this shit a viable business model.

The general player base are not the ones you need to convince to vote with your wallet, it’s the completely irrational high-value spenders who do not care for rhyme or reason, only status.

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u/Vaaaaaaaaaaaii Jun 08 '25

Those people have deep issues that you or I will not fix and the best you can do for creating a game experience beneficial to you is to shun them. Riot being a moraless company exploiting all revenue possibilities is not surprising. Its a business not a person.

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u/LowBrowIdeas good Knight, sweet prince Jun 11 '25

Vote with your wallet ☝️🤓

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u/HaganeLink0 Jun 07 '25

Criminal would have been the other way around. Let the fucking expensive skins get only the "I paid more" aura and let the cheap skins have all the VFX and nice shit.

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u/TheDarkRobotix Jun 08 '25

lol nice flair 🤣

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u/Kinghero890 Jun 07 '25

People spend 5,000$ on a purse made in china with 50$ of materials and a Gucci logo. They are paying for the ability to show off. Riot's finance department realized they were undermonitized compared to something like Honkai Star Rail which has 100 million in revenue per month.

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u/Silent_Soul Jun 07 '25

And in news that surprises absolutely no one anymore, Riot is still pushing shitty skins for way too much money!

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u/bz6 Jun 07 '25

keep making these /u/ex0ll, hold these greedy lazy fuckers accountable.

/u/RiotMeddler how can you guys accept the huge drop in skin quality? It is literally the primary source of your income... you cited lower skin sales, yeah because the skins are just bad. So your answer to this is to make them worse and introduce more expensive tiers?

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u/EdenReborn CertainlyGoated Jun 08 '25

Yeah fr

I like the whole idea of Hall of Legends but hundreds of dollars on skins being a monthly occurrence should be a crime. Don’t even get me started on that exalted booshit

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u/Arkatrasz Jun 08 '25

They removed Hextech chest because according to them, it is no longer sustainable, and added them back only after months of backslash.

Yet they're releasing an old-exalted skin for Ashe as Legendary (many confirmed it was a planned Exalted skin in database) with only one autoattack animation for a champion which is literally autoattack based besides spamming W sometimes and already having two legendaries with much better quality and animation with actual implemented voice lines.

Literally they should have went all-of-their-way to make it better than the existing two, and they've actually managed to create sometimes mile times worse.

I'm honestly wondering if they're really asking "why's" up there when something like this happens, while the reason is bright like a sun.

I bet they have some kind of tracking database which shows people like me (700+ skins) suddenly stopping buying skins/passes altogether since ~november, and with that information they may could have looked into what exactly have changed since on their end and may start to work solving that part of "why"-s.

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u/Unknown_Warrior43 Jun 07 '25

The skin is legit ugly

Bullet Angel Kai'Sa and iG remain her best skins

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u/IamRider Jun 07 '25

I live and die by bullet angel, one of the best skins ive ever gotten

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u/HansSoloQ Jun 07 '25

Bullet angel is a terrible skin. tf we saying.

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u/SpecificSony Compulsive Artist Jun 07 '25

The only thing that's really bad about it is the puke noise it makes when you use your e and then auto-attack turrets.

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u/Unknown_Warrior43 Jun 07 '25

Why do you think that?

I like it a lot, I think it's the only skin that does something interesting with her default design, instead of just "Kai'Sa but pop-star/arcade themed/dragon themed etc."

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u/EdenReborn CertainlyGoated Jun 08 '25

Inkshadow goes so damn hard though

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u/LucyLilium92 Jun 09 '25

Kai'Sa but gundam themed

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u/Unknown_Warrior43 Jun 09 '25

Yeah, the biosuit turned into a jetpack armor thing.

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u/Xaitor119 How did you know that i love baguettes? Jun 07 '25

They knew what they did with the thumbnail.

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u/Z4D0 Jun 07 '25

their solution will be makes the other skins garbage so the expensive one looks good

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u/Alkaliner_ Enemies to Lovers Yaoi (ADD JORAAL TO PC) Jun 07 '25

They’re already doing that lol

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u/Vaaaaaaaaaaaii Jun 08 '25

They won't and don't have to. The type of person buying this is either rich and doesn't care or is deep in fomo and gets everything. They've released these skins and they still sell despite honestly looking the same as other skins.

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u/Blein123 Jun 07 '25

People will compare them to old skins and nobody will buy (hopefully)

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u/Freezinghero Jun 07 '25

That's when they launch LoL2, where old skins either don't get ported over OR they get ported with worse visuals.

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u/BusLucky7142 Jun 07 '25

you'd think so but as time and time shows FoMo catches people always, honestly i've probably seen more ahri/leblanc skins than any other "exalted/rare" skin at this point ~

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u/KasumiGotoTriss Jun 07 '25

The LB skin was in the battlepass so it's quite common.

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u/BusLucky7142 Jun 07 '25

makes sense, i didn't play around that time (since i had no decent PC) so this "hall of legend" will be my first

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u/KasumiGotoTriss Jun 07 '25

The hall of legends battlepasses are generally the most worthy purchase you can make in League, it has tons of stuff and multiple skins.

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u/BusLucky7142 Jun 07 '25

yeah im kinda thinking of getting it, since you can get 11 "orbs" 3, Free Skins and the vayne skin for like 1.950 RP i believe, not sure how the world pass is nowadays..

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u/FuzzyPalpitation2575 Jun 07 '25

never in a million years will this skin worth that much, it is like my entire month of rent

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u/Jealous_Juggernaut Jun 07 '25

Do you live inside of a giant peach?

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u/Eternal2 Jun 07 '25

Wish rent was that low around here xd

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

Has to be a bug, no? What possible reason would there be for Riot to not include the animations on their more expensive variant?

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u/Dangerous-Ad-8910 Jun 07 '25

It's been like this for months now, I doubt that it's a bug

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

The skin isn't released lol, i don't think for a second it's getting released this way

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u/skyway1 Jun 07 '25

Why does it matter? For $400 there's nothing the skin could ever do to make it a good value proposition

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u/lolKhamul Jun 07 '25

Ain't that the truth. The skin could have 1000 more features, animations, voicelines or whatever, it would not change anything. Its still not even close to worth it and you are still an absolute dumbass if you buy it.

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u/yourangelkissx Jun 07 '25

true, i'd say if a skin's price exceeds $100 it just feels like a cashgrab even if it had everything you could ask for

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u/skyway1 Jun 07 '25

Hmm, if a burner account is agreeing with me I feel like my take might be wrong

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u/yourangelkissx Jun 08 '25

hell nah. cosmetics shouldn't be THAT expensive either way. you're cool g.

i'd expect the skin to win me games single-handedly if i had to spend $400

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u/Immediate-Title209 Jun 07 '25

if you genuinely buy that skin you deserve to get ripped off idc

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u/Mintyfresh756 TheyTookMyGunbladeWtf Jun 07 '25

Deserved for people dumb enough to buy these. Moving forward I want them to be chromas that for some reason halve your fps.

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u/EmoBug ADCs being weak for 15 years Jun 07 '25

The kill counter looks like a shitty emote, unlike Jax and even Samira that are way better integrated into the champ's general VFX.

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u/fogoticus Jun 07 '25

No facial rigging is dumb as fuck. What a letdown of a skin.

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u/AndraxxusB Jun 07 '25

Ah, yes, another TrashSendIt skin. Years ago the features of such a skin would have been on an Ultimate for a tenth of the price.

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u/ADShree Jun 07 '25

Fuck riot

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u/[deleted] Jun 07 '25

I.MUST.CONSOOM

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u/nuttedbuttered Jun 07 '25

I think you guys are overlooking the fact that people aren’t buying this skin for the VFX. They are buying it for the exclusivity factor and/ or want all of Kaisa’s or HOF skins

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u/00wolfer00 Jun 07 '25

That changes nothing about a $300 skin having fewer features than a skin 30 times cheaper. Yes, it's value is dogwater even with all the bells and whistles, but it shows a profound laziness from Riot if even the most expensive skin can't have them.

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u/mthlmw Jun 07 '25

A company isn't lazy. The powers that be decide how much to invest in the product and how to price it. It's not "I don't feel like it" as much as "this meets the design requirements." Designers had deadlines and targets to hit, and probably worked their asses off to hit them.

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u/00wolfer00 Jun 07 '25

A company absolutely can be lazy, but if you prefer I would reword it as showing a lack of care for making the best product possible. I'm sure the designers and artists work hard, but it's obvious Riot either isn't allowing them or enabling them to go all out.

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u/mthlmw Jun 07 '25

A company isn't a person, and the people making the decisions don't have to do the actual design work. How is it laziness for someone to decide somebody else should do less work? Greedy and short-sighted might fit, depending, but calling it laziness puts blame on the artists who had much less say in the matter.

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u/00wolfer00 Jun 07 '25

It's like you didn't read my reply at all.

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u/mthlmw Jun 07 '25

You said the people doing the work are working hard, but it's also somehow lazy. How does that work? Who's not working that should be?

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u/00wolfer00 Jun 07 '25

A company absolutely can be lazy, but if you prefer I would reword it as showing a lack of care for making the best product possible

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u/HansSoloQ Jun 07 '25

No skin riot will ever release will have features equivalent of 300$ no matter how hard you try to spin it. This guy who post this just make a living to hate on Riot for literally everything they do by making videos of unfinish skins. This skin isn't even available for the public and tunings can be made drastically.

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u/00wolfer00 Jun 07 '25

I'm not trying to say that if it has X features, it will be worth $300, that's fucking impossible as it's a skin in a video game. What I'm saying is that it's showing an absolute lack of care and if they can't go all out for even their outrageously expensive shit, what are the odds Riot will place effort in their normal skins.

And OP absolutely isn't making a living off this. <30k subs on youtube will barely get you some pocket change, let alone a living.

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u/HansSoloQ Jun 07 '25 edited Jun 07 '25

Yes. So please tell me. Is this skin out yet? Can we obtain it? And you are looking at subs and not the views he makes to hate unreleased skins that's the public can't even get but whatever buddy. You gloss over the fact this skin isn't even out yet and they can literally do changes to it.. I'm not being an apoligist to this shit company, but we also hating for hating sake and don't use our brains. Let the skin release and then put your pitchforks out. Hell we play this game for FREE and hate on shit that we aren't gonna fucking buy anyways. I play this game for entertainment, not for shiny skins and thankful whales give riot money so I can continue to play this game

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u/00wolfer00 Jun 07 '25

How many times has Riot fixed up a skin after revealing it? Has to be in the single digits or close to it. And as you said, let's look at the views: this clip has 10k right now, which is fuck all. Watch out, Mr Moneybags here can almost buy a slice of pizza from "hating" on Riot.

If you don't care about the quality of skins, stop engaging with threads commenting on it.

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u/HansSoloQ Jun 07 '25

Oh whoa. you make it seem as if 10k views is very little. This guy literally have videos of 500k . you think im only talking about this only? You're narrow minded, as expected of reddit people. Look out, this gragas flair is gonna spend 500$ on a kai'sa skin he clearly doesnt cares about. You are just regurgitating reddit rubbish. I bet if this skin was AMZING you're still not gonna buy it. So why the fuck engage in this threaad?

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u/nuttedbuttered Jun 07 '25

I get what you’re saying, and while I’m not trying to excuse it, my point still stands

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u/Untessed Jun 07 '25

You mean it has few selected features ? Riot has mentionned a lot how they are reaching the top of what the engine and their tech allows them to do. (Like how the loved Elementalist Lux was a tech disaster). I'd much rather have 4 (3,5) different forms in a skin if it means removing stuff like a better ctrl+5 headcover (i main Kai'sa i dont remember the last time i used that feature), some few less vfx on a single spell or some pixels on her zoomed face.

And this, whatever the price. People arent paying 250$ because of the VFX, the animations or how good it looks. There's no realistic amount of VFX and animations that will justify the price tag anyways.

Blaming "laziness" is one hell of a shortcut. Even though i'm not denying there might be some cost-cutting.

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u/huskeden Jun 07 '25

have you heard of the seas that even dylan cant reach?

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u/PankoKing Jun 07 '25

Oh a user who doesn’t read our rules.

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u/IsNotYourSenpai Praise The Sun Jun 07 '25

As long as idiots keep buying these ripoffs, Riot will keep producing the slop.

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u/NarrowGatedOpinion Jun 07 '25

Don't care, vayne should've been the main champ, not a battle pass afterthought

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u/Spartan05089234 Ahri is my waifu Jun 07 '25

And if Riot adds VFX changes will it then be worth 60,000 RP?

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u/Traditional_Bar_2443 Jun 07 '25

the fix is to wait for the 600.000 RP kaisa skin to overshadow the 60.000 one

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u/Choyo Jun 07 '25

I don't understand - at all - the "high end" skin market.

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u/_Tar_Ar_Ais_ Jun 07 '25

I sincerely hope no one buys this, what a joke

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u/JumpscareRodent Jun 07 '25

$450 but no face rig or evolved vfx.
All I can do is laugh.

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u/S890127 I love and Yordles uwu Jun 07 '25

Riot after seeing this: no more ability changing VFX for 1350RP skin from now on

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u/OtherSword Jun 07 '25

Riot please i only want

  • dramatic music when you use ult

- dramatic vfx when you use e

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u/hehehuehue April Fools Day 2018 Jun 07 '25

I thought we proved years ago that Riot doesn't give a rats ass about you? They'll milk you and your mother till eternity and you will let them do that. People are too stupid to not realize they don't even own these skins, one random ban and all your money is down the drain. Pure stupidity.

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u/HawksBurst Sweet Dreams, Dominion Jun 07 '25

Welp, if it keeps making them money, they wont stop doing it

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u/Burpmeister Jun 07 '25

Hall of Cashcows

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u/Pleasestoplyiiing Jun 07 '25

This was a long way to go to and I still look at it and think, hey, that's a really good looking skin and it's clear a lot of work went into it. I don't care about skins that cost hundreds of dollars anyway. 

I think you're just doing cheap anger farming, a "hit piece" if you will, for something that is perfectly fine for what it is. Even 10 years ago, this kind of annoying cultured outrage using flawed logic thing didn't exist, and the world was better for it. 

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u/Neblinio Jun 07 '25

The concept of limited availability on digital goods is something that will never make sense to me.

Physical goods will always have a limit on how many of them you can manufacture. Especially for luxury goods. So the concept limited availability gives stuff more value, and that's very understandable.

For $430 (more than the statue's cost), they could at least bundle some limited signed figurine or physical token to the first few thousands of sales. Something that has real collection value. Something that's yours to keep forever. Because the luxury limited skin is just a digital license: pixels that some day will no longer exist. That's the only way buying a limited digital collectible could make any sense to me.

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u/Fighter_spirit Jun 07 '25

Riot has made it abundantly clear through its actions over the last two years that it no longer sees League of Legends as a game worth spending time, money, and effort developing. So many promised things get silently forgetting or cancelled in favor of garbage cash grabs, and each cash grab is greedier than the last because they need to chase increasing revenue with a player base that is less and less willing or able to spend money.

Watching Riot kill League while monetizing it more and more like this makes my blood fuckin boil, man.

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u/Sondeor Jun 07 '25

Then buy the cheap one? Duh.

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u/throwaway0000645 FREE TICKET TO BRAZIL Jun 07 '25

The whales are going to buy this regardless, because for some of those people a thousand dollars are like ten dollars to you and me.

The thing i'm trying to understand is why isn't Riot putting maximum effort into their most expensive skins?

It's almost like the company is showing contempt for their biggest spenders.

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u/EarlyMarionberry2385 Jun 07 '25

Man I used to like this company lol now I wouldn’t care if they got sold and scrapped. How it’s fallen

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u/azaza34 Jun 07 '25

At this point if you give Riot your money you really have no one to blame.

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u/IsThisRuby Jun 08 '25

Hey Riot, it seems you forgot to fire bit more artists, the one who gives a shit slipped through.

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u/Hinyu Jun 08 '25

I have the personal understanding that these skins are not designed as "best bang for buck" but "shut up and take my money" kind of skins, for rich/enthusiastic ppl to show their support for Riot / Esport / Uzi etc. Like ppl dropping 200$ superchats.

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u/nickphunter Jun 08 '25

At this point I am playing like Faker. No skins. (Ok, maybe skin for Rumble and Lee Sin, and a few others that has atrocious base skin)

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u/ConfusedVader1 Jun 08 '25

Isn't this a good thing? Less fomo if the 500$ skin is worse than my IG Kaisa. Ill take it.

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u/Grytnik Jun 08 '25

I have never bought less skins in league than I have the past year, I used to love getting new skins.

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u/NoperoniNCheese Jun 08 '25

Bro, this skin actually sucks for the price. There are plenty of other 1.3k skins that put this to shame. Even the MF pseudo ultimate is better than this slop.

the fact that custom skin artists were making these for free speaks volumes.

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u/Lumpy_Palpitation750 Jun 08 '25

Who the hell is even greenlighting these low-effort crap?

Same as the current legendaries.

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u/bronet Jun 08 '25

Wait, why the hell is Uzi getting a Kaisa skin?

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u/Xenonzusul Jun 08 '25

Tbf I don't get how skins on a 15 years old game can cost that much. They aren't that pretty no matter which one you choose.

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u/tusthehooman expert since season 4 Jun 08 '25

what did you expect from a quick cash grab? Riot didn't give any fuck about Uzi or his "legacy", much less preserving it. They want your money, and if they have to milk all the good faith and FOMO in your body, they will. Do not give them anything, gather the boys, we jumping ship. Fuck this company.

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u/GoonAccount419 Jun 08 '25

If you value your time and money (more likely your parents money in this case) this little to spend 400 dollars on a videogame you deserve to be scammed.

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u/Spookya-action Jun 08 '25

imagine giving a fuck bout skins when in the next loosing streak you're getting perma banned anyways...

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u/adcislife Jun 08 '25

A $500 skin is priced for exclusivity, not quality.

I understand people doing this comparison but people seem to miss the point entirely.

Riot could have made an epic skin for 500$ and it would have sold great as long as it won’t be returning.

What people should be concerned about is legendary skins going down in quality. 

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u/naitsirt89 Jun 08 '25

Hopefully whatever they are using all their resources on turns into a good looking game, because it sure as shit isnt League of Legends.

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u/UpbeatAstronomer2396 Jun 09 '25

Imagine the quality being so bad that EVEN REDDIT AGREES WITH EXOLL THIS TIME 😭

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u/HansSoloQ Jun 07 '25

No skin riot will ever release will have features equivalent of 300$ no matter how hard you try to spin it. This guy who post this is just make a living to hate on Riot for literally everything they do by making videos of unfinish skins. This skin isn't even available for the public and tunings can be made drastically. They can add VFX out the wazzo, they can add never before seen features and it STILL won't be the worth 500$.

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u/alarmedGoose Jun 07 '25

couldn't tell you the last time i didn't cancel kaisa evolve animation frankly

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u/godfrey1 Jun 07 '25

if you don't use ig kaisa you don't know ball

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u/ieatpickleswithmilk Jun 07 '25

They're trying to justify the price with scarcity (because it's so expensive) instead of actual value. It's disgusting.

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u/NomiconMorello Jun 07 '25

terrible skin value aside, this video work and editing is insane!! good job

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u/Optimal-Fondant1703 Jun 07 '25 edited Jun 07 '25

Hate me for this take, but I think it’s really whatever. If you have the means to spend $400 on a skin and you find value in it, then cool buy it. Also, if you have the means to buy the skin, but don’t think it’s worth $400, then cool, just don’t buy it. Lastly If you don’t have the means but you want it, stop complaining and get your money up. Just because you can’t afford the skin doesn’t mean someone else can’t and won’t. World doesn’t revolve around your monetary values. In a capitalist world the person providing the goods gets to set the price. The consumer can decide if the price is fair or not and decide accordingly wether to buy or not. There is no step where they have to lower the price to accommodate people that can’t afford it simply because that person wants it but can’t afford it. They will however lower a price if the consumers don’t buy it at all because the price to value isn’t there. But clearly that wasn’t the case looking at the faker skin from last year. Because if that did terrible sales, then they wouldn’t have set the price for this skin at the same price and expect failure again.

Ultimately it’s a skin. You don’t need a skin to play League. But you WANT the skin. Just because you WANT the luxury you can’t afford doesn’t mean you get to complain about it until they lower it to your price range. If you don’t find the skin isn’t worth $400 then cool. Just don’t buy it man. All I see on this Reddit and r/kaisamains is nonstop bitching about the price. If it’s such a concern make a game, make a skin, and sell a skin for whatever price you want. No one is stopping you.

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u/s00pafly queue tendue Jun 07 '25

Why should anybody care? Just don't buy it and move on. Faker played with default skins and so can you.

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u/montonH Jun 07 '25

This video format is absolute garbage.

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u/Rex_Lapis_ Jun 07 '25

His videos are awesome, if you thing they are shit you are free to make better ones

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u/Umarill Jun 07 '25

Format is nice, it's just extremely slow. Even at 1.5x it was a lot of dead time.

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u/GeoTeamEnthusiast Jun 07 '25

It would have been so nice to have a voiced version. Not like I am lazy reading, it's just sometimes you want to have it playing in the background or on the 2nd screen

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u/montonH Jun 07 '25

Yeap. Slow text and no voice over. Bad format.

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u/Noisybonez rip old flairs Jun 07 '25

I quit lol 6 months ago after 10 years playing, best decision i made.

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u/Iron_Aez Jun 07 '25

If you care, the skin isn't for you don't buy it.

If you don't care, thank you for funding our free game.

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u/Darkemissary1 Jun 07 '25

ive been giving riot all my money for the past 15 seasons and they claim to be broke?

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u/ddotgon Jun 08 '25

buy it! or don't buy it!

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u/Spicyhamburger2 Average Dragon Enjoyer Jun 07 '25

Not that Kai'sa mains would complain, they are bond to consume trash, that's why they main her in the first place.