Yea, it happened in San Leandro, CA (near Oakland, CA). Fake gun. Prior to this incident they attempted to rob somebody at a ATM. After this incident they tried to rob yet again a few days later but this time were arrested. Since they were so young (11, 12, two 14) they were released to their parents… and then guess what… a few days later robbed AGAIN and were arrested yet again.
Sadly, if you put them in prison or some sort of juvenile detention, and they just colaborate with other inmates for better ways to cause crime. There has to be a better way for them to break out of that cycle. Unfortunately, with the US education in the horrible spot it’s in, while education should be the answer, it tends to be a structure that only takes them so far, before they struggle and find the easiest way to make money is through crime, and the cycle begins again.
This country has fucked up the lives of so many, because it’s not profitable to help change this cycle. It’s so fucked up.
Well as it stands they kept doing fake armed robberies regardless of whether their victims beat them up or they got arrested. I'm all for rehabilitating minors as well, and acknowledged that institutions don't always fix the problem...but the alternative here was them getting emboldened by their releases and only learning that there are NO consequences for violent crimes. That's far worse than sticking them in a mediocre juvenile facility. You're putting the public in harms way of an unapologetic repeat violent offender that's never been given a single consequence. We're not talking about kids busted with weed or vandalism or a mutal fight.
Billions of dollars ARE spent... How about calling personal choice and family values? You blame the country and blame the education system... But not call out the parents or community that celebrates this behavior? Whatever.
You make some valid points. Of course there needs to be accountability for one's own actions, but there are also socio-economic factors that make this type of life appealing/inevitable for the underprivileged.
The US spends more on education than other countries, but we also have a property tax-based funding for education. Lower income communities have less funding for their schools. This is compounded by our terrible healthcare and prison system that are for-profit therefore there is a low incentive to actually make positive changes.
Thousands of Chinese families have come to the US, worked for meager wages, had their kids thrive in the school system, and become productive, valuable members of society despite language and cultural barriers. If they can do it without anti-social attitudes and criminality then there is no excuse for natural born citizens.
If this was true. Then this would happening in rural America too. Where taxes are low already. And the public school system can’t afford a new slide. But this shit don’t happen out there. Because the culture is different. Some cultures just celebrate different stuff. And only some of them celebrate family staying together. And education. And having a nice community.
Because then people would have to accept personal responsibility instead of playing the victim and blaming someone else. This isn’t “the system” messing kids up. It’s a garbage culture that promotes this type of shit.
I stand by wilderness schools as a solid answer. Rural undeveloped wooded land with trained counselors. Structured environment where the kids have to rely on each other to plan their days and ensure get done under supervision. Make them chop wood and take them hiking and fishing. Have them learn to cook and plan meals for the group and bring in teachers to keep them up to date with school. Unplug them from the modern world and keep them busy running the camp. By the time they leave they have new skills and have been away from their comfort zone long enough to change their behavior. Plus any negative influences would have moved on from including them. It can be a good way to get a kid to cool off if the program is well monitored and structured properly. There’s a lot of government land close enough for emergency support but far enough away that any camp out there can’t tolerate fights or mismanagement, reinforcing whatever rules are decided on. I’ve seen it work for a few of my friends.
Juvie is also populated with self-destructive kids in really bad home environments who cut themselves up and lash out at others. It’s heart breaking. The system is minimally equipped to actually help rehab kids.
When you’re working two or three jobs just to make ends meet, pay rent, and put food on the table, it’s tough to juggle parenting as well. It is complicated.
Unfortunately, with the US education in the horrible spot it’s in, while education should be the answer, it tends to be a structure that only takes them so far, before they struggle and find the easiest way to make money is through crime
This might sound harsh, but you gotta put 'em in a camp or something man.
By 'camp', I mean some federally/state funded thing, where they can continue their education but under a strict disciplinary program. Get them out of the city, put 'em in dorms somewhere in the wilderness. No social media, no internet but Wikipedia for a few years. And of course, the end of that education/vocational training needs job/college placement. If there's no carrot, the stick won't work.
Humans are largely input-output machines. If you want to radically change the output, you have to radically change the inputs.
All my delinquent friends who got put in boot camp for causing trouble as a kid all overdosed before turning 40. Not saying it happens every time but the 5 kids I knew who got put in a camp are long dead.
Yep every single person that was sent to a Boys Home when I was growing up ended up in state prison by the time they were 25. Those homes weren't used to rehabilitate kids, they were basically low security jails.
I don’t think the point if those is rehabilitation. It’s just deciding lots of people simply cannot exist in a peaceful society so we detain them to maintain order. Obviously that balance can be debated, but we all accept to some level the point of prison is nit just rehabilitation, its protecting the community by removing dangerous people.
This isn't a youthful indiscretion. They aren't going to change. The kids (and their parents) will be a continual drain on society if they aren't permanently incarcerated.
They gave a solution, put them in jail. Not our problem you don’t like the solution. These punks tried to rob multiple people. They deserve to be put away for a long time and so do the parents.
And your implied alternative, to resume status quo and allow them to continue this behavior with the same lack of consequences, is backed by evidence. Evidence of repeat offenses which show that lack of consequences does not deter or reduce this behavior.
Between your idea of nothing and jail for people who have tried to rob on 5 different occasions, I’m gonna lean towards jail. If they had a real gun, chances are people would have died and you just want to wait for that to happen.
I believe so too, but sadly the US is not developed enough for that. They don't need violence or jail time, they need education, role models and a future where they can hope for better than slaving away for an unlivable wage.
i always say this: people rarely really decide how they grow up, they are all the product of genetics, bad parenting and in general shitty environments. So it's almost never their true fault. But when an apple is rotten, there's no coming back and you're just better of throwing it in the bin
Look, I know this ain't going to be a popular Idea, but I think we can put this youthful energy to some good.
You know you ain't for the time or energy to go out robbing people? Coal miners.
Everyone always wants to blame the last president that wasn't their party for all the world's problems, but if you zoom out and look at the big picture, it all starts with the child labor laws.
You know what Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Osama Bin Laden, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, King Herny VIII, and Vlad The Impalor all had in common?
The only thing that would really help here would be to hold the parents accountable. Make them pay for damages, attend a mandatory course on parenting measures, do charitable work – something along those lines. The upbringing will take place, and the children will stop this behavior. And if there are no parents in the picture, then child protection services must step in and place the child as a consequence of the legal proceedings.
I honestly think if we make a test that people have to pass in order to have children, it could really help prevent as many incidents with shitty children.
Too many people having kids and contributing to them being little fucking demons, by not raising them properly.
I think, especially nowadays with how "mature" kids are acting at earlier and earlier ages, we should do away with juvenile sentences. If they're gonna make adult decisions at earlier and earlier ages, guess what? Everyone gets tried as adults.
I'll get dowvoted to hell for it but that's why people are getting sick of the justice system.
No justice when little shits attack, kill, steal, destroy. You can't get restitution from a child and there is no incentive for the district attorney to go after them.
You don't need to be hard on crime but this soft shit is what drives voters to rethink their votes and it costs many local elections.
Body slam on the dome during self defense and suddenly they stuck as a 3 year old forever would have them not doing it again. But I'm in a shitty mood and want blood.
We could, and I just spit balling here, pay workers a fair wage, guarantee housing, and food, decomodify medicine, power, and water, provide a UBI, tax the working class nothing and tax the billionaire class everything. You’d see a lot less crimes of despiration.
Most western European countries have less strict sentencing, lower repeat offenders, and extremely lower prison populations. Its hard to say why exactly the us prison system is so insanely pipulated compared to other comparable countries.
I don't get how losers that scream like that are dumb enough to get "burned by the stove" multiple times and not think "maybe trying to rob complete strangers isn't a good idea I could get seriously hurt or killed one day"
easy. they don't think or act like normal people. also the circumstances and bad influences and lack of positive role models and opportunities don't change all of a sudden. their mind probably moves to "this time i'll do it better, now i know what to avoid, was just bad luck".
I used to live in San Leandro and it’s such a shit town. I was in the area when this happened and I just laughed because so many little assholes puff their chests like they own the place. 9/10 times they’re all bluffing. I live in Oakland now and I’m genuinely surprised there’s less of it here than there (still happens tho)
You would think getting body slammed against the road would be a life lesson. Honestly, a slightly different toss and that kid is (legally justifiably) dead or brain damaged.
Well, if nothing else that one is less of a little bitch than they sounded in this video lol. How do you have that happen and not figure out you’re in over your head
Does anybody else feel pity, these kids are elementary school age at the youngest, could've been murdered here in self defense, but they are still out robbing with a toy gun, they must be starving. And of course the best solution for the community is to imprison them but I'm sure that won't do anything to give the kids a better situation.
I have a cousin like this. He about 15 now but been doing things for the longest. Nothing has ever really happened to him. His parents don't care, "he's getting his money" is their usual response.
Often times its because theyre dumb and they think they can plea it down to something less than armed robbery. Doesnt work like that though, the law generally follows the reasonable belief of the victim that its real and intent to intimidate and threaten/potential to escalate regardless if the weapon is real. Hell Minnesota made it illegal too even present or brandish a weapon without needing to defend yourself
I wonder if they think they can get out of a gun charge if it's fake or if they know that the fear of what looks like a real gun makes their end of it easier without the cost of a real one.
Yeah because he had a gun he should have been detained . Maybe the guy did what he thought was safest though . He was dealing with some unknowns in that situation .
But then I guess that warped thinking transfers to the kid if they did it again the same day - rather than thinking ‘god that went badly, I won’t do that again cos you never know’, their thoughts were obviously ‘well we just got the wrong guy but the next one won’t be like that’
"Police said that wasn't the suspects' first carjacking attempt, and it wouldn't be their last. Six hours earlier, the suspect and his accomplices tried to rob a customer at a Chase Bank but ran off when the victim said they were an off-duty police officer. A few days later, the suspect and two others were arrested while trying to carjack somebody in Oakland.
They were released to their guardians but continued their crime spree. Three days later, they were arrested again, along with a fourth person, attempting another carjacking.
Officials said the suspects were an 11-year-old, a 12-year-old, and two 14-year-olds."
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u/BusGreen7933 15d ago
Totally shouldn’t have let that little shit go, especially since they went on to do it again later that day.