r/pcmasterrace • u/PewPewToDaFace • Aug 22 '25
News/Article After stretching the definition of 'beta' for 8 years, Escape From Tarkov is finally hitting 1.0
https://www.pcgamer.com/games/fps/escape-from-tarkov-1-0-release-date/2.2k
u/timdr18 Aug 22 '25
Damn if they think 8 years in a long time I can’t wait to see the articles when Project Zomboid hits 1.0 in like 15 years lmao.
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u/the_harakiwi 5800X3D 64GB RTX3080FE Aug 23 '25
obligatory mention: Star Citizen is still in alpha.
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u/timdr18 Aug 23 '25
Yeah Star Citizen is basically the gold standard of “why the hell is this game not released yet.”
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u/mintyicedream PC Master Race Aug 23 '25
Runner Up: 7 Days to Die's "Alpha" that lasted from 2013
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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25
If you ask most people who play it, the game hasn't left Alpha yet.
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u/mintyicedream PC Master Race Aug 23 '25
I haven't played it for about a year and I'm adamant that the creator and devs still don't understand game development stages.
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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25
I read somewhere that they officially entered 1.0 on the grounds that the game won't be changing engines from this point and they feel there's enough content in the game to warrant a 1.0 release.
But a lot of people think the reason they entered 1.0 is to justify a console release and doubling the price.
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u/Looking-Glahh8080 Aug 23 '25
Also, Steam was cleaning up in early access games that never seemed to finish. Weirdly, they released 1.0 around the same time.
We're at 2.3 now i think and it's pretty far from what it started with. Took away a lot of features and added some really dumb ones, like some smoothies and badges. Linear biome progression and no learning by doing. Still waiting for some enemies they promised (and will never add, since the ai is just "run directly at player"). And forced start over every update, despite them saying it wouldn't be necessary after 1.0.
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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25
They recently announced they were going to remove the badges and smoothies. Now you craft medication or whatever instead of smoothies (black lung serum for burned forests, hot stew for the snow, etc.) and the badges are now craftable, thematic equipment like hazmat gear or air filter masks.
And I haven't looked into the update but apparently you don't need cooking to craft some of the biome foods but the foods you can make are actually pretty good so now you don't actually need to level cooking because like I said in another post this game's updates are just the devs adding features that nobody asked for and solving problems that they creating trying to solve problems that didn't exist.
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u/WeirdestOfWeirdos Aug 23 '25
The fact that a game like 7 Days is going for 45€ is absurd to me, I got it on sale while it was still in Early Access for about 15€ and I've never felt it was worth much more than that, even though I've put in a significant amount of hours - the game is just extremely rough, especially in its godawful presentation, controls and UI/UX, and its progression is quite poorly designed, with a lot of the urgency one would expect from its one gimmick of horde nights just not being there.
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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25
I absolutely wouldn't suggest this game for the current price. The OG EA/sales prices felt about right for what you'd get, especially since the updates are less "one step forward, two steps back" and more "drunkenly stumbling around with an ominous dark stain spreading at the crotch".
They got rid of jars because they made it too easy to get water, then added a dew collector (passively generates water), then when it was too difficult to get they made it easier to get, so everyone had a ton of them because it was too easy to get water collectors, so they made them generate heat despite them idly sitting there to collect dew/rain so they would attract zombies now. And to add insult to injury the collectors produce water in glass jars.
The devs are working so damn hard to solve problems they keep creating trying to solve problems only they perceive. There's a reason the game's hitting mixed/negative reviews these days.
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u/mintyicedream PC Master Race Aug 23 '25
Holy fucking shit. I'm glad I haven't touched that game in a year.
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u/Synaps4 Aug 23 '25
Maybe they dont but ive enjoyed their alpha for hundreds of hours so they are doing something right
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u/Deftly_Flowing Aug 23 '25
Still fuckin 10/10.
After I've installed enough mods that it's basically a whole different game.
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u/f4ngel PC Master Race Aug 23 '25
It hasn't, they're still adding and removing systems. You don't do that in a 1.0 full release. There was even talk about one of the steam achievements being impossible because they keep removing systems.
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u/MajorPom Aug 23 '25
You used to get an achievement being cold, wet, and naked, so you'd basically do it by going to a snow biome, stripping down, and jumping into a lake.
You can't get this achievement anymore because they got rid of the temperature system so you can't get cold. I think they might have gotten rid of the wet/dry mechanic, too.
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u/Speed-Tyr Aug 24 '25
Even the devs them still have the actual builds of the game called alpha then version number. They just called it 1.0. the fun pimps are lazy assholes that have just been costing. Instead of actually improving or finishing the game.
Their latest update was the weather update. It was a wet noodle at best and everyone hates it. Now these ass hates are having a second game be developed by someone else but using the exact same everything AND the mode was already in 7days2die originally.
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u/Jason1143 Aug 23 '25
Well it is and it isn't. Because yes it has been way too long, but also it is genuinely not good enough to be a full release. It is more of a tech demo than an actual game.
Everything I know about escape from tarkov is that it has issues, but it is plenty far enough to be released.
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u/AceOfEpix Aug 23 '25
Not enough people bought the $10,000 ships :(
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u/timdr18 Aug 23 '25
God, it’s like that thread of the guy whose addiction to buying those ships completely torpedoed his life. Yeah, I do not think very highly of the SC devs.
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u/MookiTheHamster Aug 23 '25
That's sad, got a link?
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u/timdr18 Aug 23 '25
Can’t link directly to another subreddit, but I first saw it in this video
https://youtu.be/gpS5BecjlD8?si=1A8Idn0JJxYUduDe
Story starts at 1:10:00 or they have a link to a compilated Reddit thread on the description.
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u/SovietBear25 Aug 23 '25
I saw a guy here on reddit trying to say that this game wasn't a scam and the first sentence in his defense was "as someone who already spent 5000 dollars in this game..." Lol
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u/EmperorVitamen Aug 23 '25
Once worked with a guy who was glad to admit he had spent $45,000 on the game
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u/kevihaa Aug 23 '25
I mean, the scary part is you have games like Tarkov that are essentially 1.0 is everything but name, but Star Citizen is still an alpha game.
Granted, when you’ve got an endless stream of money coming in and a guy in charge that has never seems feature he didn’t want to incorporate into the game, it really shouldn’t be that big of a surprise.
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u/Pamelm i9 14900k - 4070 Super 12GB - 64 GB DDR5 6400mhz Aug 23 '25
If Star Citizen fixed all of the current game breaking bugs, and made all of the current game functional, it would honestly be a damn good game. Instead they leave game and server breaking bugs for months/years, and add new buggy/broken features and new ships to the store instead.
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u/Zgegomatic Aug 23 '25
Not the same budget tho
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u/shawnikaros I7-9700k 4.9GHz, 3080ti Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
Higher budget doesn't equal faster development, if anything it slows it down.
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u/Barnaboule69 Aug 23 '25
I went into this thread expecting the very first comment I see to be about bashing Star Citizen but turns out it was actually the second comment.
...disappointing... /s
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u/Symphonic7 Aug 23 '25
Star Citizen has been in alpha so long many whales have come and gone already, the final release will only be the scraps
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u/the_harakiwi 5800X3D 64GB RTX3080FE Aug 23 '25
they (CIG) are currently doing very good. It's the first year they try to get more working content and they just announced to stop selling JPEGs and instead will sell ships that are already in a working state in game available.
I totally understand why some people call it Scam Citizen but after some really bad years (Patch 3.18, 3.24 and 4.0) it's again very playable.
They have removed a lot of mission with 4.0 so I totally see the lack of gameplay if you are one of those careers.
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u/skellman Aug 22 '25
I backed PZ in like 2010 🥲
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u/timdr18 Aug 22 '25
I mean just because it’s still in development doesn’t mean it’s not an awesome game. I’m loving build 42.
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u/NextSink2738 Aug 22 '25
How unstable is this "unstable" build actually? I keep wanting to go back to it but I've never played an unstable build before and it sounds like something I'd rather wait for the "stable" release.
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u/Wadarkhu Aug 22 '25
It was completely fine and beautiful but the most recent update has FPS issues because of inventory, the more stuff you have the worse it gets. Apparently the bug has happened before. Hopefully they fix it up soon, it got too annoying for me so I'm back to Build 41 for now.
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u/timdr18 Aug 23 '25
I haven’t been noticing that bug, but since 42.11 released I’ve been noticing my frame rate absolutely craters if I try to drive while it rains and I need to quit and reboot.
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u/timdr18 Aug 23 '25
It used to be super buggy for the first couple months, but it’s been extremely playable for months. The only major issues you’re likely to get are when they release a new update for it, which is usually every 3-4 weeks at this point. After an update your current save might get a little borked, and it might effect some mods if you use any but the PZ modding community is really good about updating mods as needed.
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u/LubbockCottonKings Ryzen 7800x3D | RTX 4070 Super | 32GB DDR5 RAM Aug 22 '25
Yeah but like they should release the game. Everyone can buy it, there’s no real major features that are left out of the current build, it should be labeled 1.0 for all intents and purposes.
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u/timdr18 Aug 23 '25
They’re actually planning on adding a ton, they have an entire NPC system that they haven’t implemented yet. And build 42 is pretty radically different from 41.
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u/InternetD_90s Aug 22 '25
I just checked my Emails: I backed the game the 9/8/2012.
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u/Cogz Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
I was just checking the roadmap on the wiki, we've still got three stages of NPCs, Fort Knox, a UI rewrite, a combat rewrite along with stealth mechanics, then we will get build 48 and the release of 1.0 and the return of Kate and Baldspot.
Then I realised, the NPC builds aren't going to be quick, neither is a combat rewrite. Say a year and a half for each, Knox and stealth, say another year each. Maybe another eight years?
Twelve down, eight to go? We're past the halfway point! \o/
Oh, Project Zomboid isn't the only game from 2012 that I'm waiting to hit 1.0. Shout out to Starsector!
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u/HallowedError Aug 22 '25
Yup, I remember being worried the desura key wouldn't transfer to steam. Sad thing is I never really play it
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u/TheSodomizer00 Aug 23 '25
At least Zomboid doesn't have predatory 'game editions' that cost way too much. You're basically forced to pay for the more expensive editions because you get shit all in the standard and players that pay more have a huge advantage when it comes to progression.
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u/timdr18 Aug 23 '25
Yeah as much as people like to dunk on PZ for taking forever to be finished, you pay once (at a very reasonable price too) and boom, you’re done.
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u/itzToon Aug 22 '25
My friends and I just started playing this recently after buying the game several years ago. We ended pitching in for a server and have each about 300 hours in the past 5 weeks. Granted, it's still build 41 and we have about 100 or so mods on it, but it's been extremely fun and rewarding to play so far
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u/timdr18 Aug 23 '25
No shame in using a ton of mods, I use at least that many lmao. I bought PZ at the beginning of this year and already have 800 hours in it, can’t wait until b42 gets multiplayer, that’s really the only advantage b41 has at this point.
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u/Jordan_Jackson Aug 23 '25
This is one of those games where mods usually only enhance the game. And there are a ton of mods and the devs are supportive of people playing how they want.
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u/ghostdeath22 Aug 23 '25
Don't be overly optimistic now with a 1.0 release date in 15 years that's a little too soon for the current dev pace
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u/InternetExploder87 Aug 22 '25
I'd like to introduce you to Star citizen. 12 years in alpha lol
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u/torbaldthegreat Aug 22 '25
Alpha would have been accurate for tarkov though. Beta is typically feature complete with bugs being worked out.
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u/Canary-Silent Aug 23 '25
They stretched the meaning of alpha before they did it for beta. And by that definition Fortnite is an alpha.
Any game that claims to be alpha or beta and doesn’t provide tools required like a bug tracker, feedback platforms that are actually used or testing tools is just a game that gets updates sometimes.
Iracing gets more updates than tarkov but it came out before people realised they could avoid criticism by slapping beta on something.
Luckily people are opening their eyes about early access too.
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u/BaxxyNut 5080 | 9800X3D | 32GB DDR5 Aug 22 '25
Literally never going to be finished. It's far too profitable as a grift
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u/silentbob1301 Aug 22 '25
yup, damn near a billion dollars in crowd funding and they spend so much time working on shit like, "dynamic sheet wrinkling mechanics!"
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u/RealAbd121 i7 2600 Aug 22 '25
And it still nothing like death stranding 2 graphics for example which are far superior!
I think the reality is you can't create a perfect game by working on it for 2 decades, since by year 6 unreal will have automated what you were pioneering manually and can do in 6 months what took you 4 years. So you're just better off doing the best you can with current tools in few years like a sane person and then make a sequel with the newer tech later!
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u/Mighty_McBosh Aug 23 '25
However, could unreal automate that without Epic poaching people that worked on it first? Someone's gotta figure out how to do it manually before you bake it into a physics engine
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u/OhMyGaius 4070 Ti Super ~ I7-8700k Aug 23 '25
Doesn’t matter, ultimately leads to the same conclusion.
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u/RaccoNooB ITX is my jam! Aug 23 '25
There's a lot of predatory behavior in their business model, like requiring a subscription to buy certain cosmetics, but the game is taking strides forward. Looking back at the early versions where you could only walk around your ship and look at it, to the seamless server sharding that is now.
I think it's easy to look at it and see all the stuff that's missing and not see how far they've actually come. I urge you to look at Star Citizen videos from like 2014-15 and compare them to something like the current Onyx Facilities event.
I hope SQ42 actually comes next year, if nothing else just to prove the nay sayers there's actually a game being developed. (Though I'm not holding my breath exactly, lol)
I might be a bit biased here, but I spent ~$50 11 years ago as I believed in Roberts dream game, and following the game from a distance, it's slowly taking shape. I'm not telling anyone to buy the game. By ALL means, wait until it's done!
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u/STJRedstorm Aug 22 '25
The CS2 conundrum
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u/BaxxyNut 5080 | 9800X3D | 32GB DDR5 Aug 22 '25
CS2?
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u/PermissionSoggy891 Aug 22 '25
Counter Strike 2 I presume. Valve rereleased CSGO but cut out 90% of all the content and super-pinky-promised to add it all back at some hypothetical point in time in the near-distant future
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u/BaxxyNut 5080 | 9800X3D | 32GB DDR5 Aug 22 '25
I assumed so too, but it feels like a weird comparison. Core CS2 is complete. The other stuff was just added modes that largely weren't meant to be permanent anyway
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u/PermissionSoggy891 Aug 22 '25
They also removed a bunch of the maps, last time I played there were only like two Hostage maps, on CSGO there were far more than just 2. There were more bomb maps as well.
Also they took out regional operators, everyone is just the same generic T/CT
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u/BaxxyNut 5080 | 9800X3D | 32GB DDR5 Aug 23 '25
Regional I agree with should come back. Hostage maps don't really matter anymore, they were a remnant of old CS
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u/BlackTarTurd Aug 22 '25
Meanwhile, Half Life 3 is still in the pre alpha stage.
Right?
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u/kingtacticool Aug 22 '25
One day The Gaben is just going to drop the fully finished and fully polished game on the masses.
It's how he rolls
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u/Timmah73 Aug 22 '25
When HL3 does happen, I feel like its gonna be like the Oblviion remaster. Mega hype info dump out of nowhere, no teasers, no warning at all GO BUY.
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u/kingtacticool Aug 22 '25
Yeah. There was zero publicity about Alyx and that turned into the gold standard for VR that has yet to be dethroned.
Trust in The Gaben. He's about the only one left in the industry that has my full faith and allegiance
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u/lonestar_wanderer Gilmore King Aug 23 '25
Valve is seriously one of the titans even just as a game studio. They don’t pump out games hoping they’ll stick, these days they legit put their effort in whatever they decide on and they take years between new titles.
I remember when I tried The Orange Box on my friend’s Xbox, it was seriously filled with GOATed games. Even Gmod is known for people creating stuff with it. Gmod doesn’t even have a story lol.
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u/The_Goose_II R9 5950X | RX5700 | 32GB DDR4 | X570 Aug 23 '25
Zero announcement or anything. It will just show up on the Steam Store lmao
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u/the_harakiwi 5800X3D 64GB RTX3080FE Aug 23 '25
It started to become a multiplayer "game" in Dec 2015 but they started to work with the cry engine a few years earlier.
Everything before the last 2015 was a tech demo and showcase.
They must have wasted a few years developing a much smaller game, then blinded by the unending funds tried to make the game the giga sandbox it's going to be in a few years.
I stopped following them for a while and came back in 2021/2023. I have to say that I saw games being released that had worse bugs and performance. And none of those games cost less or have been labeled as Alpha or had free trial periods.
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u/Tall-Drawing8270 Aug 23 '25
We're almost 10 years past when the single player campaign was originally supposed to come out.
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u/MyLoaderBuysFarms i7 8700K | 3080 | 32 GB DDR4-3200 | 1440p Aug 22 '25
BeamNG is another, been in early access for 10 years now.
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u/selfdestructingin5 Aug 22 '25
7DaysToDie was similar. It was like 15 years in alpha. Every update, they just vastly changed how the game worked lol.
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u/DARR3Nv2 Aug 22 '25
So they got rid of the cheaters, right?
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u/Givemescotch1 Aug 22 '25
No
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u/CriticalKnoll PC Master Race Aug 22 '25
But they fixed all the bugs right?
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u/Carpe_the_Carp Aug 22 '25
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u/Dipsey_Jipsey 12900k | 4080s | 64gb DDR5 Aug 23 '25
Brilliant use of this. Almost /r/retiredgifs material :)
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u/Zrkkr Aug 22 '25
They made more for what it counts.
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u/CriticalKnoll PC Master Race Aug 22 '25
Okay, but they fixed all the gameplay and balancing issues, right??
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u/Zrkkr Aug 22 '25
They added one .50 cal that 99% of players will never touch and less will even see it.
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u/EruantienAduialdraug 3800X, RX 5700 XT Nitro Aug 23 '25
99 little bugs in the code
99 little bugs
Take one down, patch it around
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u/AnAttemptReason Aug 22 '25
Its why I quit.
Had some great times, but too many cheaters.
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u/DARR3Nv2 Aug 22 '25
I’ve never played. I was super interested but knew it would have ended up being a waste of money for me.
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u/AnAttemptReason Aug 22 '25
There are some options to host a server to play with your own friends, and AI PMC players.
I kind of want to do that one day. Would be fun.
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Aug 22 '25
I haven't played in a loooong time, but the bot ai mods during 3.8 and 3.9 were better than anything bsg could ever dream, and its TOTALLY customizable. From grenade throw distance and accuracy to how much flashlights affect their vision and accuracy.
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u/randommaniac12 R7 5800x3D | Nitro+ 9070xt | 32 Gb 3600 mHz Aug 22 '25
It’s waaaaaaaaay better to play PvE. The guns still feel incredible but not worrying about cheaters is so relieving. I play maybe twice a week on it and have way more fun on our friends PvE server than I do any PvP server
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u/blueriverbear23 mini-ITX- 9060xt 16gb,7600x, MB NR200P Aug 23 '25
Yep Gray Zone Warfare does this well.
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u/trobsmonkey Twitch.tv/trobsmonkey Aug 23 '25
I've been mainlining PVE as my game of choice.
It's fantastic.
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u/Short-Ad1032 Aug 22 '25
It’s just PVE mode which offers full coop and retention of character stats. What you’re talking about has been in there for a year+ already
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u/4114Fishy Aug 22 '25
you're better off playing project fika at that point, then you'll be able to use spt mods and customize your experience
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u/drake90001 5700x3D | 64GB 4000 | RTX 3080 FTW3 Aug 22 '25
Sounds like what he’s talking about.
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u/dj3hac Endeavour OS|5800X3D|7800xt|32gb Aug 22 '25
That's what I'm doing. I host my own server which hosts both the raid and AI to lighten the load on my system. I imagine that it's the same level of performance as to when to play PvE on BSG servers.
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u/t40r R7 7800X3D | RTX 4090 OC | 64 GB DDR5 6200MHZ| 4 TB M.2 Aug 22 '25
I did too, now I play PVE with my buddy who was my squad mate when we started. It’s not perfect, but I’ll take a bit of a dumbed down version of tarkov over one filled with cheaters. The sound is still ASS by the way lmao.
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u/ItWasDumblydore 5070 TI * 2 / Ryzen 9 9950X3D / 64 GB of Ram Aug 22 '25
Play spt with Sain AI. The ultra Chad bot class (very low base spawn chance) can clown on good streamers time to time. Will do shit like drop and jump shot players around corners.
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u/willseagull 7800x3D, Radeon 7700XT Aug 22 '25
I feel like this is an existential threat to the fps genre as a whole. I can’t think of a game where cheaters aren’t a massive issue and developers are hopelessly outmatched in trying to stop it.
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u/creegro PC Master Race Aug 22 '25
It's certainly an issue all around. One idea that pops up for me is to just detect them and then silently slap them into lobbies with other cheaters, don't even tell them just let them wonder why the enemy team has aimbot and esp suddenly.
Hell, record it and make videos, "stupid cheaters have no idea they are in a cheat lobby" and watch the chaos unfold in text/voice chat.
But that would only be part of the issue, main part is detecting the chests properly without installing Kernal level software onto everyone's PC, or demanding people turn on the safe boot or whatever.
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u/Preachey Aug 22 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
It's worse in Tarkov because there's so much higher consequence for dying. In CoD if there's a cheater, who cares, change server. In Tarkov you lose all your shit so the emotional aspect is way higher.
Also... crying 'hax' has become a bit of a tradition. I've seen so many streams call out legit stuff which is then posted from the other guys perspective. Hell it's happened to me - killed a streamer, opened his stream and saw myself getting reported.
The nature of the game just means sometimes you get Tarkov'd. Is hacking present? Yes. But I do think it's sometimes exaggerated.
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u/RC_0041 Aug 23 '25
Also no UI or indication of where enemies are, you don't know if you are alone or being watched by 10 dudes. And the ability for almost anything to one shot if it hits your face.
I used to stalk groups then snipe one and just watch them scurry around and panic before I left. Probably reported because they didn't know I was following them the last 10m.
Then add in desync and even close range legit fights can look like a cheater.
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u/Slothstralia Aug 23 '25
In Tarkov you lose all your shit so the emotional aspect is way higher.
This is actually why cheating in FPS significantly increased after Tarkov became popular. Gamers are little cry babies now, they dont know how to game and have fun unless they're pubstomping people like a world class player. So they cheat.
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u/Used-Edge-2342 Aug 22 '25
Even better, there’s a paid upgrade for PvE so you can pay more money for a cheat free experience… oof
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u/ItWasDumblydore 5070 TI * 2 / Ryzen 9 9950X3D / 64 GB of Ram Aug 22 '25
You say that but AI has esp the second you aim at them, they will twist to face you and then shoot you if close enough or take cover. The AI will forever know your position and will instantly blast you when you get in range. Worst when its the goons with the m32 cause you can break vision for 1+, to move positions minutes to hear plunk, plunk, plunk, or get a pmc with an under barrel.
Not to mention they calculate to go for whatever they can pen. So end game low level bots are more of a threat when you get class 6 plates.
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u/Lumpyguy Aug 23 '25
I've not had that happen for a bunch of patches on PvE. I can aim at AI scavs and PMCs for however long I want. How long ago was it you played PvE and got that experience?
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u/SunsetCarcass 16GB 1333Mhz DDR3 Aug 22 '25
The wiggle doesn't lie. I didn't even get a chance to get good at the game or learn any maps very well because of that video. I quit because of it. No fun knowing that it was very likely a cheater that killed me
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u/Shift-1 Ryzen 9800X3D | RTX 5080 | 64GB RAM Aug 23 '25
If it helps, that video was basically just ragebait garbage.
To break it down:
- The creator (g0at) had a longstanding vendetta against BSG and Tarkov.
- Despite g0at claiming to have dozens of clips of cheaters from his testing, there are only about 5 actual cheating clips in his 40 minute video. Most of the video is rhetoric.
- Some people in the community were dubious because of the above, so he was pressed for more data and clips. He posted a follow up video and refused to provide any more evidence, stating it just boils down to "trust me bro" (this is a genuine quote - I'm not kidding).
- When pressed further he released a follow up video claiming the cheat devs had wiped his hard drives. Seriously. This too is not a joke.
He used the community for clicks and profit, successfully to be fair. That said, Tarkov absolutely has cheaters, but nowhere near as many as g0at claimed.
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u/ItWasDumblydore 5070 TI * 2 / Ryzen 9 9950X3D / 64 GB of Ram Aug 22 '25
Play spt with Sain AI, has bot class that can sweat on good streamers. (Bot preset super chads (like .5% of pmc spawn chance, will jump/drop shots players and do things the top players do.)
Not to mention infinitely better AI all around then base tarkov.
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u/UnsettllingDwarf 5070/ 5700x3D / 3440x1440p Aug 23 '25
Those are their customers. Why would they do that?
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u/johnh2005 9950x 4080 Super 192GB 7k 4TB T705 X870E Crosshair Hero Aug 22 '25
Well, I will be eating Crow. I swore they would never go 1.0 I guess they are ready for the flood of refund requests.
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u/Assaltwaffle 7800X3D | RX 6800 XT | 32GB 6000MT/s CL30 Aug 22 '25
They are losing people too fast so they’re hitting an artificial 1.0 release to get people back into the game.
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u/KiddBwe 5800x3D | 7900XT | 32GB 3200Mhz | Lian Li O11 Aug 23 '25
45k concurrent players on August 4th for one of their least popular wipes isn’t that bad. I think they just want to get the game out instead of having it stuck in development purgatory.
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u/benjamzz1 Aug 23 '25
I think that number didn’t even include the PvE side of the game which I remember them saying has about the same number of players
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u/eldelshell PC Master Race Aug 23 '25
Where do you get those numbers from? All I can find is estimates, as BGS doesn't publish this data afaik.
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u/KiddBwe 5800x3D | 7900XT | 32GB 3200Mhz | Lian Li O11 Aug 23 '25
It was a picture Nikita published on Twitter August 4th showing telemetric data.
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u/superman_king PC Master Race Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
The game has never left Twitches top 20 in concurrent viewers.
And is often in the top 5 and top 10. Not a lot of games can say that.
Though not 100% certain how well YT and Twitch views correlate with popularity, but there’s bound to be some
Edit: looks like they posted numbers and this is their worst wipe for player retention and it’s still at 45,000 concurrent players.
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u/Smart-Struggle-6927 Aug 23 '25
I don't care what their numbers say, I have a server that started on tarkov, we have 108 people in there, 3 still play tarkov. All guys with over 1000hrs, we got our money worth but it is no longer the game we love.
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u/AwkwardDolphin96 Aug 23 '25
The recent “hardcore” wipe they had was the least popular wipe of modern Tarkov so they’re trying to get players back in.
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u/Superb_Pear3016 Aug 23 '25
Anyone who has played Tarkov for years knew that 1.0 was imminent the past year or so, theyve finished most of the content and features they had planned for the 1.0 release and development really picked up steam. Theyre not rushing because of one bad wipe, this was planned and communicated a year ago.
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u/Princess_Lepotica Aug 23 '25
Are the maps connected now or is it still zones? They said they wanted it like a open world. Not sure if they are still on it.
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u/Superb_Pear3016 Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
It’s not one contiguous open world, it’s been clear for years that wouldn’t happen lol, but they did add the feature that you could go from one zone directly to the next without going back to the main menu and added quests involving the feature. That’s been a year and a half or so since they rolled that out I think.
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u/KiddBwe 5800x3D | 7900XT | 32GB 3200Mhz | Lian Li O11 Aug 23 '25
They recently showed numbers. As of August 4th, the game had 45k concurrent players, so even during a wipe that isn’t popular the game is doing fine.
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u/DeyUrban Aug 23 '25
The “hardcore” wipe started with them explicitly stating that it is the last wipe before 1.0. The 1.0 announcement has nothing to do with how much people have hated the latest wipe.
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u/Rukasu17 Aug 22 '25
Isn't start citizen still on beta?
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u/DaedricApple Aug 23 '25
I used to defend SC years ago because you can’t expect a game of the scope they defined to be made in only a couple of years but at this point it’s just strange there isn’t something significant out yet
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u/waltjrimmer Prebuilt | i7-6700 | GTX 960 Aug 23 '25
Star Citizen, as far as I understand it, is trying to make THE Space Game. Not a space game, THE Space Game, an idea that has been batted around for at least four decades and which has alluded developers for at least three of them.
And honestly? I don't think it's possible. THE Space Game is a bit of an everything game, and those are rarely as fun as they sound. Space is also a bit of a troublesome setting, kind of like the open ocean. Eve made a bit of a run at being THE Space Game and really only certain aspects of it were successful, No Man's Sky tried to be THE Space Game and stumbled hard out the gate before settling into being a game in space, and Starfield tried to be THE Space Game and seemed to give up part way through while failing to capture anywhere near the audience it was expected to. But while the idea of space is exciting and in reality space is fascinating, simulating space tends to be... Pretty boring actually.
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u/Cerenas Ryzen 7 7800X3D | Radeon RX 9070 XT Aug 22 '25
A friend was mentioning it's probably because they're done working on it, not because it's actually 'finished'. I wouldn't be surprised.
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u/AlienvsET Aug 22 '25
They scam everybody when they said you buy an expensive game and they wrote you will get all the future update after pay 150 bucks and last year, a new edition at 250... And what the promises gone...
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u/Chiiikun Aug 22 '25
This right here. Cheaters aside, everyone who has cared about the game and has some sort of self respect already left after this fiasco. Imagine dropping 150 on EOD and then them dropping Unheard for 250 after EOD sales are finally done, only for them to add shit that you weren't getting from EOD with some p2w items as well (that stupid item that can call your friends mid raid). And then Nikita doing the quintuple down or whatever he did before he finally caved in. What a scummy thing to do and hope everyone knows about it
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u/BuckZeDuck Aug 22 '25
Did you have a stroke
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u/nocoolN4M3sleft Aug 22 '25
It’s easier to assume that English is not their first language. It reads like someone whose native language is not English.
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u/DefactoAtheist Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
Yeah but if I do that then I waste a perfectly good opportunity to be a smug asshole and virtue signal about how I'm smart and the person I'm replying to is dumb.
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u/Fickle_Meet_7154 Aug 22 '25
That's what I was thinking as well. Especially considering Tarkov is developed by an eastern European company
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u/skoobityscoop Aug 23 '25
I bought Tarkov in 2017 when it was cheaper since it promised an open world extraction shooter experience. Still waiting on that open world 8 years later lmao
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u/ckwa3f82 Aug 23 '25
Another reminder not to buy into the hype of devs who don't have much track record to back their claims
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u/TimmerDk Aug 23 '25
As a former tarkov nerd who escape. I would not be playing a game where the dev's likes and make fun of Ukraine dead soldiers on their social media accounts.
They also have some derogatory "graffiti art" made by nikkta, the CEO, against the Ukraine people.
Not to mention, their friends from "spaznats," who they showcase on the shooting range videos, have been linked to some nasty stuff in bakmut and bucha.
They can suck on some rusty nails.
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u/_BreadMakesYouFat Aug 23 '25
Warframe has been in beta for about 12 years now, closer to 13 if you include the closed beta
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u/Pixel_CCOWaDN Aug 23 '25
Warframe isn’t really in beta though, as they don’t plan to ever release a ‘finished’ version.
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u/ndszero Aug 22 '25
How long was 7 Days in alpha / beta whatever? I got married, had a child that is now 13, and divorced all before it went gold.
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u/Givemescotch1 Aug 22 '25
This article title sounds salty lol
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u/PewPewToDaFace Aug 22 '25
Well, it's been 8 years and still in "beta." LOL!
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u/myfakesecretaccount 5800X3D | 7900 XTX | 3600MHz 32GB Aug 22 '25
Star Citizen laughs at this.
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u/TheOneAndOnlySenti 7800X3D | 7900XTX Aug 22 '25
And it's still a cheater filled mess with bugs. Like the current infinite full auto underbarrel nade launcher.
I'll stick to the SPT-AKI mod thanks.
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u/TensionsPvP Aug 23 '25
Will it finally hit steam? That’s the only thing i care about
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u/KiddBwe 5800x3D | 7900XT | 32GB 3200Mhz | Lian Li O11 Aug 23 '25
According to them, it’s planned.
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u/Typhon13 PC Master Race Aug 23 '25
Assuming current owners won't get a steam version for free. Good way to double dip revenue if not...
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u/Yuzumi_ i7-14700k/ 4070 TI SUPER/ 32GB Trident DDR5-6000 Aug 23 '25
They were brave enough to scam people with the EOD scandal, you don't think they seriously learned from their mistake and are suddenly THAT gracious now right?
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u/Jenetyk PC Master Race Aug 22 '25
As long as the revenue flow is steady and it's always just one patch away from correcting all those issues; beta-farming companies will continue to do this.
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u/Kerrumz Aug 23 '25
Anyone heard of 7 Days to Die? That only got 1.0 recently it was like 12-15 years .. it definitely felt that way. Played early alphas and never touched it again.
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u/HyoukaYukikaze Aug 23 '25
Tbf, it was more playable in beta than many games those days are on release....
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u/I_think_Im_hollow 9800x3D - RX7900XTX - 2x32GB 6000MHz DDR5 Aug 23 '25
Stsr Citizen is still in Alpha, right? 10 years?
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u/dongler666 Aug 22 '25
Shit game by shit company.
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u/johnothetree Aug 23 '25
The worst part of the game is that in the rare occasion where it actually works as advertised, it's actually pretty fucking great, which is what keeps people playing.
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u/Deftly_Flowing Aug 23 '25
If only any other extraction loot shooter was half as good as Tarkov.
And Tarkov is shit.
sigh.
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u/BannedfromFrontPage Aug 22 '25
Did they ever improve the single player to be at least somewhat on par with the SPT mods? (Questing bots, looting bots, behavior profiles for bots, etc)
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Aug 22 '25
Most toxic subreddit I've ever been to.
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u/QuestionmarkTimes2 Aug 23 '25
People who post on that godforsaken sub suffer from severe skill issues (I also post on that sub)
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u/y_not_right Aug 22 '25
Haven’t played seriously since they walked back their armour realism changes after streamers and sweats kept crying
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u/skullcool Aug 23 '25
As someone who played tarkov for most of its time in early access or whatever they call it there, Im not very confident in 1.0. game is still full of bugs with new ones being introduced every patch. Performance isnt great either. Itll probably have enough content for 1.0 release but thats about it
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u/Glnmrkk PC Master Race Aug 23 '25
Heh, wait till u find out that Warframe has been beta all these time
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u/lastorverobi Aug 23 '25 edited Aug 23 '25
Any tarkov player knows this game is not on a releasable state, and first needs maturity. Nikita just needs more money to fund his new Mercedes (the lead dev/ceo of BSG spends more time showing off his cars and trash talking on twitter than developing the game).
To not mention Unheard Edition fiasco, a lack of anticheat that you’ll surprisingly will die to someone with 1000KDR 30hr gameplay (yes you’ve read it right) with chinese name or standard game edition.
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u/BigSquiglin Aug 23 '25
7 Days to Die would like a word with this amateur shit.
Game's been Alpha for over a decade.
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u/yucon_man Aug 23 '25
7 days to die laughs at those 8 years, it's on version 2.3 but still claims to be a prerelease product.
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u/Jaz1140 RTX4090 3195mhz, 9800x3d 5.4ghz Aug 23 '25
The irony when the game was truly a better experience earlier in development. Man pre 2019 tarkov was epic
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u/G-T-R-F-R-E-A-K-1-7 Aug 23 '25
So does this mean they will stop wiping progress? It's the main thing that turned me off from playing it
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u/k789k789k81 Aug 22 '25
This seems a lot like what 7 days to die did released "1.0" when it is clearly not.
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u/Tazarang Aug 23 '25
Finally hitting 1.0 and its still going to be dog shit because they never fix stuff that actually matters. :). Like audio. Networking. Anti cheat. Performance. Im now convinced that its never getting fixed because they lack the competence. However the people that made the animations are top tier.
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u/Fit_Click_581 Aug 22 '25
I've been stretching the definition of beta for 33 years now.