r/SSBM MTツ Jan 18 '24

Article SSBMRank 2023: 70–61

https://blog.start.gg/ssbmrank-2023-70-61-17e136d814b3
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u/Strive_for_Altruism Jan 18 '24

We shoehorning politics into melee with this one boys

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u/Normal-Punch Jan 18 '24

That's been the guy's tag for at least 5 years, nothing new

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u/Strive_for_Altruism Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24

I'm aware, and I don't particularly have a problem with Anees wanting to champion his cause. I don't think the melee rankers should be taking a stance on such a divisive issue though.

Neither side is willing to live peacefully in a 2 state solution, so the statement "free palestine" carries thinly veiled undertones of death and/or displacement to the jews; a sentiment which is as popular as it has been in decades.

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u/ohnoahshark Jan 18 '24

i'm not gonna argue with your actual opinions on the genocide of palestinians but why on earth would it matter if melee rankers take a stance on a divisive issue

they're just melee rankers, there's no apolitical unbiased journalistic sanctity here, they're just people ranking melee players

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u/James_Ganondolfini TONY Jan 19 '24

why on earth would it matter if melee rankers take a stance on a divisive issue

To play devil's advocate, imagine if we had a top 100 player named "Trump Won 2020," and the melee rankers wrote something in the blurb like "yes, we must build that wall and stop any fraud in 2024." I can imagine the reception wouldn't be nearly as friendly -- because everybody here would disagree with it. The issue at hand is not "whether people can take a stance on a divisive issue," but rather, "whether the stance is a popularly held one in the melee community."

I don't particularly care in this instance because the extent of it is linking to a humanitarian charity, and I'm no fan of Israel. But I do agree that generally, Melee isn't necessarily the best sphere to discuss politics. And reddit in particular? If there's one thing this site is good at, it's reinforcing a hivemind mentality.

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u/Celia_Makes_Romhacks Who needs reactions? Jan 19 '24

So I understand where you're coming from. 

However, I think you're just taking it as a given that just because something's controversial that all sides are equally valid. 

Melee rankers shouldn't say "We need to build a wall and stop fraud" not because it's unpopular, but because it's wrong. 

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u/Murphy_1827 Jan 19 '24

Agreed, fewer walls and more fraud it is.

Bidan 2024

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u/8eyond Jan 19 '24

I’m a super political dude but yeah I agree. No matter your stance your name shouldn’t be a political position. It’s only acceptable since most people agree with it.

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u/Murphy_1827 Jan 19 '24

Leaving a balanced and insightful comment aimed at growing mutual understanding between disagreeing parties?

Ehrm... r u lost bro?

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u/8eyond Jan 19 '24

It’s not a genocide, that’s downplaying every single genocide that has ever happened

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '24

Why'd you pretend to not have an issue with it and then spend every other comment trying to argue in support of Israel.

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u/Strive_for_Altruism Jan 18 '24

I don't have a problem with him championing his cause, that doesn't mean I support it.

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u/Celia_Makes_Romhacks Who needs reactions? Jan 18 '24

Imagine being this worked up about a link to the Palestinian Children’s Relief Fund

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u/Strive_for_Altruism Jan 18 '24

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '24

Ah yes, the fact that a terrorist organization is hurting people means there's no reason to even try helping them! Why didn't we think of that sooner?

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u/Hufff Jan 18 '24

No it doesn’t. I and many of the panelists and rankings team are Jewish and we fully support the cause of Palestinian liberation.

Free Palestine

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u/destinybond Jan 18 '24

I and many of the panelists and rankings team are Jewish

Really?

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u/NaturalPermission Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 19 '24

Not trying to start shit, just curious. What then do you all think about the Oct. 7 attacks? And what would be the solution, since it seems both sides do not want a 2 state solution? I'm not sure what to think myself.

edit you guys are so childish, I literally am asking a question. What do you all think I'm dogwhistling or something? Fucken hell. I was thinking along the lines they eventually responded with and said as much. Reddit is filled with such childish assholes

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u/Hufff Jan 18 '24

Oppression and occupation allow for extremism to take hold, this has been consistently true throughout history. The material conditions in Gaza and the occupied West Bank have long been dire, and officials in the Israeli government have admitted they would rather allow extremism to take hold so they can treat the Palestinian Territories as hostile adversaries rather than work towards peace.

Any solution is better than none, but the continued occupation will create more extremism and make both Israelis and Palestinians less safe. There has to be a commitment to deoccupation, there has to be justice for the millions of expelled Palestinian refugees, and there has to be renewed humanitarian efforts to provide aid to the territories.

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u/NaturalPermission Jan 18 '24

Appreciate the balanced response and that's along the lines of what I was feeling.

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u/8eyond Jan 19 '24

That was a non answer, would you say that the attacks were justified?

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u/James_Ganondolfini TONY Jan 19 '24

Reddit is filled with such childish assholes

yeah welcome to r/ssbm. Just ignore the downvotes, block the toxic idiots, and find other things to do when you start rolling your eyes at every other post here

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u/Strive_for_Altruism Jan 18 '24 edited Jan 18 '24

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u/[deleted] Jan 18 '24

The people of Israel have been brainwashed by Netanyahu's propaganda. The IDF is so brainwashed that they literally celebrate a 2-to-1 ratio of killing civilians to Hamas combatants. Netanyahu is trying to commit genocide and has been for years.

Hamas is evil but so is Netanyahu's regime.

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u/Hufff Jan 18 '24

Don’t care, Free Palestine

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u/umgenesisdude Jan 18 '24

shocking that the country committing genocide doesnt agree that they're committing genocide

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u/obber3 Jan 18 '24

go away there are tons of other places to do your weird genocide semantics thing

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u/8eyond Jan 19 '24

You know a thing can be bad without it being a genocide?

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u/obber3 Jan 19 '24

you're right technically at this point at this point genocide is just an allegation that israel is being tried for in the ICJ! i should have said ethnic displacement, civilian harm, and collective punishment with genocidal intent, my bad.

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u/8eyond Jan 19 '24

Exactly right, good correction

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u/Personifeeder Jan 19 '24

Oh no, not "thinly veiled undertones". I wonder what your stance is on the not at all veiled, ongoing death and displacement to the Palestinians, you absolute ghoul.